After playing sorc in PVP every other class just feels underpowered.

Aztrias · May 2019

Going from StamBlade to a MagSorcerer

MaleAmazon · May 2019

To me the issue with magsorcs is still that they have spammable damage, spammable defense and spammable escape, all from magicka. They might not be OP (idc tbh), but they are certainly annoying.

And it is not easy to 'adapt' in ESO. For example, steel tornado is strong because it spammably negates invisibility. Thus preventing the one escape some characters have. At some point you will have to accept being at a disadvantage unless you want ZOS to nerf everything into uselessness and blandness one skill at a time.

ToRelax · May 2019

Ayastigi wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

No idea where this thread went off to? The OP, who mains a Stam DK but mostly plays StamSorc concludes mag Sorc is overpowered because he gets kills easier with it.

I think the gist of it is that MagSorc is Not over or under powered, but just kind of right and fairly well balanced.

Trying to explain this in a myriad of hypothetical situations has gone far off the original sentiment.

I think what is being expressed by many here is that MagSorc has an easy Skill Learning Curve. Just meaning it’s a bit easier to get on and learn and perform well; more so than other classes.

No need to get defensive about anything, but how can you prove that Sorc is so overpowered that everything else needs buffed to compete against it? Wouldn’t it be far easier to Nerf Sorc to bring it in line with everyone else?

Ok, no one is asking for that. Just prove that Sorc is overpowered in some way. It’s really not? Then carry on. This topic of conversation is moot.

You say don't get defensive but your tone is defensive lol. The fact is nothing is gonna sway your opinion one way or the other. I could link this forum post https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/470743/complete/p1
It's a poll asking the strongest pvp class and mag sorc had over 40% of the votes with 2nd place garnering 23%
We could talk about how easy it is to 1vx on mag sorc compared to other classes which is evidenced by the fact that mag sorc has the most spots on the top 5 pvp clips of the week 2nd place isn't even close. I'm not trying to change your mind because your mind is made up. I'm talking to the people reading this who also feel like other classes could benefit from buffs to be brought up to the level of sorcs. For me I would like buffs to mobility, I know race against time has been reworked and will add another dimension to a lot of builds but I mean mobility that doesn't require a major expedition buff like streak. I do agree that sorcs are in a good spot for pvp but i've been saying that the whole time I think it comes down to the fact that you're upset this thread is still ongoing I may be wrong though...also, no need to prove sorc is overpowered as I've never said sorc is overpowered I've only said it's in a good spot for all forms of pvp.

That poll includes petsorc. Read the OP.

Ayastigi · May 2019

ToRelax wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

No idea where this thread went off to? The OP, who mains a Stam DK but mostly plays StamSorc concludes mag Sorc is overpowered because he gets kills easier with it.

I think the gist of it is that MagSorc is Not over or under powered, but just kind of right and fairly well balanced.

Trying to explain this in a myriad of hypothetical situations has gone far off the original sentiment.

I think what is being expressed by many here is that MagSorc has an easy Skill Learning Curve. Just meaning it’s a bit easier to get on and learn and perform well; more so than other classes.

No need to get defensive about anything, but how can you prove that Sorc is so overpowered that everything else needs buffed to compete against it? Wouldn’t it be far easier to Nerf Sorc to bring it in line with everyone else?

Ok, no one is asking for that. Just prove that Sorc is overpowered in some way. It’s really not? Then carry on. This topic of conversation is moot.

You say don't get defensive but your tone is defensive lol. The fact is nothing is gonna sway your opinion one way or the other. I could link this forum post https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/470743/complete/p1
It's a poll asking the strongest pvp class and mag sorc had over 40% of the votes with 2nd place garnering 23%
We could talk about how easy it is to 1vx on mag sorc compared to other classes which is evidenced by the fact that mag sorc has the most spots on the top 5 pvp clips of the week 2nd place isn't even close. I'm not trying to change your mind because your mind is made up. I'm talking to the people reading this who also feel like other classes could benefit from buffs to be brought up to the level of sorcs. For me I would like buffs to mobility, I know race against time has been reworked and will add another dimension to a lot of builds but I mean mobility that doesn't require a major expedition buff like streak. I do agree that sorcs are in a good spot for pvp but i've been saying that the whole time I think it comes down to the fact that you're upset this thread is still ongoing I may be wrong though...also, no need to prove sorc is overpowered as I've never said sorc is overpowered I've only said it's in a good spot for all forms of pvp.

That poll includes petsorc. Read the OP.

@ToRelax Only 4 out of 85 votes for sorc specified pet sorc..Read the thread

Waffennacht · May 2019

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Ayastigi well Stam sorc has 0 identity really. But hurricane + spin2win cleans up better than wrath etc

Stam DK, I've heard bad things about Stam DK. But it's an entirely different.

I personally was comparing to Stam NB, Stam Warden, Magplar, and mag DK

When people refer to spin to win like you just did do you mean the dual blade ability? Whirldwind or what its called?

Yeah

ToRelax · May 2019

Ayastigi wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

No idea where this thread went off to? The OP, who mains a Stam DK but mostly plays StamSorc concludes mag Sorc is overpowered because he gets kills easier with it.

I think the gist of it is that MagSorc is Not over or under powered, but just kind of right and fairly well balanced.

Trying to explain this in a myriad of hypothetical situations has gone far off the original sentiment.

I think what is being expressed by many here is that MagSorc has an easy Skill Learning Curve. Just meaning it’s a bit easier to get on and learn and perform well; more so than other classes.

No need to get defensive about anything, but how can you prove that Sorc is so overpowered that everything else needs buffed to compete against it? Wouldn’t it be far easier to Nerf Sorc to bring it in line with everyone else?

Ok, no one is asking for that. Just prove that Sorc is overpowered in some way. It’s really not? Then carry on. This topic of conversation is moot.

You say don't get defensive but your tone is defensive lol. The fact is nothing is gonna sway your opinion one way or the other. I could link this forum post https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/470743/complete/p1
It's a poll asking the strongest pvp class and mag sorc had over 40% of the votes with 2nd place garnering 23%
We could talk about how easy it is to 1vx on mag sorc compared to other classes which is evidenced by the fact that mag sorc has the most spots on the top 5 pvp clips of the week 2nd place isn't even close. I'm not trying to change your mind because your mind is made up. I'm talking to the people reading this who also feel like other classes could benefit from buffs to be brought up to the level of sorcs. For me I would like buffs to mobility, I know race against time has been reworked and will add another dimension to a lot of builds but I mean mobility that doesn't require a major expedition buff like streak. I do agree that sorcs are in a good spot for pvp but i've been saying that the whole time I think it comes down to the fact that you're upset this thread is still ongoing I may be wrong though...also, no need to prove sorc is overpowered as I've never said sorc is overpowered I've only said it's in a good spot for all forms of pvp.

That poll includes petsorc. Read the OP.

ToRelax Only 4 out of 85 votes for sorc specified pet sorc..Read the thread

Not everyone commented at all and 0 specified non pet sorc to be better overall.
One claimed no pet sorc would be better in no CP, but it actually falls farther behind because magicka efficiency is significantly more important there.

kylewwefan · May 2019

I don’t get it dude. You’re not saying Sorc is overpowered. I’m not saying Sorc is overpowered. What are we even arguing about?

The OP is saying Sorc is overpowered. He thinks they need nerffed. Hard. Or everything else brought up to their level. However you want to look at it.

I play every class. I’ll admit, mag warden is my fav. It doesn’t feel over or under powered. More just ok. I’d feel like WW could maybe use a bit of a nerf maybe...but not really....maybe templar healing needs nerffed..ahh not really.

The balance is not that far out of whack where even anything needs to be done.

david_m_18b16_ESO · May 2019

MaleAmazon wrote: »

To me the issue with magsorcs is still that they have spammable damage, spammable defense and spammable escape, all from magicka. They might not be OP (idc tbh), but they are certainly annoying.

Well Sorc have High mobility coupled with high burst. Its a strong combination that is hard to balance and often end beeing either OP or gimped.

MaleAmazon · May 2019

Well Sorc have High mobility coupled with high burst. Its a strong combination that is hard to balance and often end beeing either OP or gimped.

Yeah. To me the issue is that some classes *have* an escape, while others don´t. It creates this weird situation especially 1v1 when some characters can just exit a losing fight, without really compromising their power (streak even works as an offensive CC gap closer for crying out loud...).

IMO they should put major brutality and some kind of escape into the MG / FG skill lines, so that it is available to everyone. Kind of like they kind of like did with silver leash. It would open up to build variety as well, right now I find myself using stuff like rally partly because there is no nice alternative.

Ayastigi · May 2019

MaleAmazon wrote: »

Well Sorc have High mobility coupled with high burst. Its a strong combination that is hard to balance and often end beeing either OP or gimped.

Yeah. To me the issue is that some classes *have* an escape, while others don´t. It creates this weird situation especially 1v1 when some characters can just exit a losing fight, without really compromising their power (streak even works as an offensive CC gap closer for crying out loud...).

IMO they should put major brutality and some kind of escape into the MG / FG skill lines, so that it is available to everyone. Kind of like they kind of like did with silver leash. It would open up to build variety as well, right now I find myself using stuff like rally partly because there is no nice alternative.

This. A streak like ability that uses stamina would be cool. Could call it scramble or dash. Giving each class access to escape mechanics would be great.

Ayastigi · May 2019

kylewwefan wrote: »

I don’t get it dude. You’re not saying Sorc is overpowered. I’m not saying Sorc is overpowered. What are we even arguing about?

The OP is saying Sorc is overpowered. He thinks they need nerffed. Hard. Or everything else brought up to their level. However you want to look at it.

I play every class. I’ll admit, mag warden is my fav. It doesn’t feel over or under powered. More just ok. I’d feel like WW could maybe use a bit of a nerf maybe...but not really....maybe templar healing needs nerffed..ahh not really.

The balance is not that far out of whack where even anything needs to be done.

The op never said sorc is overpowered.

Ayastigi · May 2019

ToRelax wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

No idea where this thread went off to? The OP, who mains a Stam DK but mostly plays StamSorc concludes mag Sorc is overpowered because he gets kills easier with it.

I think the gist of it is that MagSorc is Not over or under powered, but just kind of right and fairly well balanced.

Trying to explain this in a myriad of hypothetical situations has gone far off the original sentiment.

I think what is being expressed by many here is that MagSorc has an easy Skill Learning Curve. Just meaning it’s a bit easier to get on and learn and perform well; more so than other classes.

No need to get defensive about anything, but how can you prove that Sorc is so overpowered that everything else needs buffed to compete against it? Wouldn’t it be far easier to Nerf Sorc to bring it in line with everyone else?

Ok, no one is asking for that. Just prove that Sorc is overpowered in some way. It’s really not? Then carry on. This topic of conversation is moot.

You say don't get defensive but your tone is defensive lol. The fact is nothing is gonna sway your opinion one way or the other. I could link this forum post https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/470743/complete/p1
It's a poll asking the strongest pvp class and mag sorc had over 40% of the votes with 2nd place garnering 23%
We could talk about how easy it is to 1vx on mag sorc compared to other classes which is evidenced by the fact that mag sorc has the most spots on the top 5 pvp clips of the week 2nd place isn't even close. I'm not trying to change your mind because your mind is made up. I'm talking to the people reading this who also feel like other classes could benefit from buffs to be brought up to the level of sorcs. For me I would like buffs to mobility, I know race against time has been reworked and will add another dimension to a lot of builds but I mean mobility that doesn't require a major expedition buff like streak. I do agree that sorcs are in a good spot for pvp but i've been saying that the whole time I think it comes down to the fact that you're upset this thread is still ongoing I may be wrong though...also, no need to prove sorc is overpowered as I've never said sorc is overpowered I've only said it's in a good spot for all forms of pvp.

That poll includes petsorc. Read the OP.

ToRelax Only 4 out of 85 votes for sorc specified pet sorc..Read the thread

Not everyone commented at all and 0 specified non pet sorc to be better overall.
One claimed no pet sorc would be better in no CP, but it actually falls farther behind because magicka efficiency is significantly more important there.

So what was the point you were trying to make when saying "That poll includes petsorc. Read the OP."

kylewwefan · May 2019

It’s the title of your thread. After playing Sorc, everything else feels underpowered. Nerf Sorc.

TequilaFire · May 2019

kylewwefan wrote: »

It’s the title of your thread. After playing Sorc, everything else feels underpowered. Nerf Sorc.

Well it is true, especially now that NB is getting nerfed.
The title doesn't say nerf sorc.

Kova · May 2019

Ayastigi wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

I don’t get it dude. You’re not saying Sorc is overpowered. I’m not saying Sorc is overpowered. What are we even arguing about?

The OP is saying Sorc is overpowered. He thinks they need nerffed. Hard. Or everything else brought up to their level. However you want to look at it.

I play every class. I’ll admit, mag warden is my fav. It doesn’t feel over or under powered. More just ok. I’d feel like WW could maybe use a bit of a nerf maybe...but not really....maybe templar healing needs nerffed..ahh not really.

The balance is not that far out of whack where even anything needs to be done.

The op never said sorc is overpowered.

*looks at thread title*

After playing sorc in PVP every other class just feels underpowered

Sidenote, and this is in no way to disparage the quoted player, but why is it that threads about nerfing magicka classes consistently display terrible literacy and language comprehension and at the same time lack numerical evidence to support the claims?

If we're going off of anecdotes and personal experience, I've not lost to a pet sorc since the last update. Not once.

I even despise the fact that pet sorcs are now just referred to as sorcs.

ToRelax · May 2019

Ayastigi wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

No idea where this thread went off to? The OP, who mains a Stam DK but mostly plays StamSorc concludes mag Sorc is overpowered because he gets kills easier with it.

I think the gist of it is that MagSorc is Not over or under powered, but just kind of right and fairly well balanced.

Trying to explain this in a myriad of hypothetical situations has gone far off the original sentiment.

I think what is being expressed by many here is that MagSorc has an easy Skill Learning Curve. Just meaning it’s a bit easier to get on and learn and perform well; more so than other classes.

No need to get defensive about anything, but how can you prove that Sorc is so overpowered that everything else needs buffed to compete against it? Wouldn’t it be far easier to Nerf Sorc to bring it in line with everyone else?

Ok, no one is asking for that. Just prove that Sorc is overpowered in some way. It’s really not? Then carry on. This topic of conversation is moot.

You say don't get defensive but your tone is defensive lol. The fact is nothing is gonna sway your opinion one way or the other. I could link this forum post https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/470743/complete/p1
It's a poll asking the strongest pvp class and mag sorc had over 40% of the votes with 2nd place garnering 23%
We could talk about how easy it is to 1vx on mag sorc compared to other classes which is evidenced by the fact that mag sorc has the most spots on the top 5 pvp clips of the week 2nd place isn't even close. I'm not trying to change your mind because your mind is made up. I'm talking to the people reading this who also feel like other classes could benefit from buffs to be brought up to the level of sorcs. For me I would like buffs to mobility, I know race against time has been reworked and will add another dimension to a lot of builds but I mean mobility that doesn't require a major expedition buff like streak. I do agree that sorcs are in a good spot for pvp but i've been saying that the whole time I think it comes down to the fact that you're upset this thread is still ongoing I may be wrong though...also, no need to prove sorc is overpowered as I've never said sorc is overpowered I've only said it's in a good spot for all forms of pvp.

That poll includes petsorc. Read the OP.

ToRelax Only 4 out of 85 votes for sorc specified pet sorc..Read the thread

Not everyone commented at all and 0 specified non pet sorc to be better overall.
One claimed no pet sorc would be better in no CP, but it actually falls farther behind because magicka efficiency is significantly more important there.

So what was the point you were trying to make when saying "That poll includes petsorc. Read the OP."

To call you out on faulty evidence. The poll and following thread do not say non pet sorc is particularly powerful except for the one instance I mentioned and argued against. Meanwhile both the OP and several other posts indicate that it is in fact pet sorcs who are currently overpowered.

david_m_18b16_ESO · May 2019

MaleAmazon wrote: »

Well Sorc have High mobility coupled with high burst. Its a strong combination that is hard to balance and often end beeing either OP or gimped.

Yeah. To me the issue is that some classes *have* an escape, while others don´t. It creates this weird situation especially 1v1 when some characters can just exit a losing fight, without really compromising their power .

Doing this would be putting every class in a vacumm and blending everythings. The game would just be boring and the differences between class would be purely visual.

Some class will always be strong in some situation while beeing weaker in others. Some bring utiliti, some bring burst some bring pressure. You have class with that have the luxury to pick up their fight some that can't.

Also 1vs1 mean nothing.

Ayastigi · May 2019

ToRelax wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

No idea where this thread went off to? The OP, who mains a Stam DK but mostly plays StamSorc concludes mag Sorc is overpowered because he gets kills easier with it.

I think the gist of it is that MagSorc is Not over or under powered, but just kind of right and fairly well balanced.

Trying to explain this in a myriad of hypothetical situations has gone far off the original sentiment.

I think what is being expressed by many here is that MagSorc has an easy Skill Learning Curve. Just meaning it’s a bit easier to get on and learn and perform well; more so than other classes.

No need to get defensive about anything, but how can you prove that Sorc is so overpowered that everything else needs buffed to compete against it? Wouldn’t it be far easier to Nerf Sorc to bring it in line with everyone else?

Ok, no one is asking for that. Just prove that Sorc is overpowered in some way. It’s really not? Then carry on. This topic of conversation is moot.

You say don't get defensive but your tone is defensive lol. The fact is nothing is gonna sway your opinion one way or the other. I could link this forum post https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/470743/complete/p1
It's a poll asking the strongest pvp class and mag sorc had over 40% of the votes with 2nd place garnering 23%
We could talk about how easy it is to 1vx on mag sorc compared to other classes which is evidenced by the fact that mag sorc has the most spots on the top 5 pvp clips of the week 2nd place isn't even close. I'm not trying to change your mind because your mind is made up. I'm talking to the people reading this who also feel like other classes could benefit from buffs to be brought up to the level of sorcs. For me I would like buffs to mobility, I know race against time has been reworked and will add another dimension to a lot of builds but I mean mobility that doesn't require a major expedition buff like streak. I do agree that sorcs are in a good spot for pvp but i've been saying that the whole time I think it comes down to the fact that you're upset this thread is still ongoing I may be wrong though...also, no need to prove sorc is overpowered as I've never said sorc is overpowered I've only said it's in a good spot for all forms of pvp.

That poll includes petsorc. Read the OP.

ToRelax Only 4 out of 85 votes for sorc specified pet sorc..Read the thread

Not everyone commented at all and 0 specified non pet sorc to be better overall.
One claimed no pet sorc would be better in no CP, but it actually falls farther behind because magicka efficiency is significantly more important there.

So what was the point you were trying to make when saying "That poll includes petsorc. Read the OP."

To call you out on faulty evidence. The poll and following thread do not say non pet sorc is particularly powerful except for the one instance I mentioned and argued against. Meanwhile both the OP and several other posts indicate that it is in fact pet sorcs who are currently overpowered.

1st. How is the evidence faulty..i'll answer that for you it's not but you don't like it so you try to find something to nit pick at.
2nd. 4/85 is not several other posts.
3rd. You're the one calling petsorcs overpowered nobody on this side is saying anything about sorc being overpowered last time i'll say that.

Ayastigi · May 2019

Kova wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

I don’t get it dude. You’re not saying Sorc is overpowered. I’m not saying Sorc is overpowered. What are we even arguing about?

The OP is saying Sorc is overpowered. He thinks they need nerffed. Hard. Or everything else brought up to their level. However you want to look at it.

I play every class. I’ll admit, mag warden is my fav. It doesn’t feel over or under powered. More just ok. I’d feel like WW could maybe use a bit of a nerf maybe...but not really....maybe templar healing needs nerffed..ahh not really.

The balance is not that far out of whack where even anything needs to be done.

The op never said sorc is overpowered.

*looks at thread title*

After playing sorc in PVP every other class just feels underpowered

Sidenote, and this is in no way to disparage the quoted player, but why is it that threads about nerfing magicka classes consistently display terrible literacy and language comprehension and at the same time lack numerical evidence to support the claims?

If we're going off of anecdotes and personal experience, I've not lost to a pet sorc since the last update. Not once.

I even despise the fact that pet sorcs are now just referred to as sorcs.

This isn't a nerf thread so I assume you're talking about some other thread right?

Ayastigi · May 2019

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david_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »

MaleAmazon wrote: »

Well Sorc have High mobility coupled with high burst. Its a strong combination that is hard to balance and often end beeing either OP or gimped.

Yeah. To me the issue is that some classes *have* an escape, while others don´t. It creates this weird situation especially 1v1 when some characters can just exit a losing fight, without really compromising their power .

Doing this would be putting every class in a vacumm and blending everythings. The game would just be boring and the differences between class would be purely visual.

Some class will always be strong in some situation while beeing weaker in others. Some bring utiliti, some bring burst some bring pressure. You have class with that have the luxury to pick up their fight some that can't.

Also 1vs1 mean nothing.

We are already heading towards the vacuum as skills are being homogenized every patch

ToRelax · May 2019

Ayastigi wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

No idea where this thread went off to? The OP, who mains a Stam DK but mostly plays StamSorc concludes mag Sorc is overpowered because he gets kills easier with it.

I think the gist of it is that MagSorc is Not over or under powered, but just kind of right and fairly well balanced.

Trying to explain this in a myriad of hypothetical situations has gone far off the original sentiment.

I think what is being expressed by many here is that MagSorc has an easy Skill Learning Curve. Just meaning it’s a bit easier to get on and learn and perform well; more so than other classes.

No need to get defensive about anything, but how can you prove that Sorc is so overpowered that everything else needs buffed to compete against it? Wouldn’t it be far easier to Nerf Sorc to bring it in line with everyone else?

Ok, no one is asking for that. Just prove that Sorc is overpowered in some way. It’s really not? Then carry on. This topic of conversation is moot.

You say don't get defensive but your tone is defensive lol. The fact is nothing is gonna sway your opinion one way or the other. I could link this forum post https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/470743/complete/p1
It's a poll asking the strongest pvp class and mag sorc had over 40% of the votes with 2nd place garnering 23%
We could talk about how easy it is to 1vx on mag sorc compared to other classes which is evidenced by the fact that mag sorc has the most spots on the top 5 pvp clips of the week 2nd place isn't even close. I'm not trying to change your mind because your mind is made up. I'm talking to the people reading this who also feel like other classes could benefit from buffs to be brought up to the level of sorcs. For me I would like buffs to mobility, I know race against time has been reworked and will add another dimension to a lot of builds but I mean mobility that doesn't require a major expedition buff like streak. I do agree that sorcs are in a good spot for pvp but i've been saying that the whole time I think it comes down to the fact that you're upset this thread is still ongoing I may be wrong though...also, no need to prove sorc is overpowered as I've never said sorc is overpowered I've only said it's in a good spot for all forms of pvp.

That poll includes petsorc. Read the OP.

ToRelax Only 4 out of 85 votes for sorc specified pet sorc..Read the thread

Not everyone commented at all and 0 specified non pet sorc to be better overall.
One claimed no pet sorc would be better in no CP, but it actually falls farther behind because magicka efficiency is significantly more important there.

So what was the point you were trying to make when saying "That poll includes petsorc. Read the OP."

To call you out on faulty evidence. The poll and following thread do not say non pet sorc is particularly powerful except for the one instance I mentioned and argued against. Meanwhile both the OP and several other posts indicate that it is in fact pet sorcs who are currently overpowered.

1st. How is the evidence faulty..i'll answer that for you it's not but you don't like it so you try to find something to nit pick at.
2nd. 4/85 is not several other posts.
3rd. You're the one calling petsorcs overpowered nobody on this side is saying anything about sorc being overpowered last time i'll say that.

I also don't see a lot of the 85 people who voted for mag sorc specify that it isn't in fact the bow/bow magsorcs that are OP, so clearly that counts as evidence that those are actually the most powerful build in PvP. /s

If, as per your thread title, every other class were indeed underpowered, then that is the same as saying magsorc is overpowered.

This clearly isn't getting anywhere, but it sure is amusing.

Welkynar · May 2019

I main a petsorc but tbh I prefer my stamblade with marksman and hawkeye. I usually get like 20 kills per game and 0-2 deaths. Running relics is easy too since I can just sneak up to it and run. Defending capture points is easy too.

Durham · May 2019

When I see a sorc I look for the nearest LOS item in case I need it... ( stamplar )

Deathlord92 · May 2019

Mag sorcs very op in my opinion with stamblade getting gutted mag sorc will have zero competition now haha 😂

Katlefiya · May 2019

This clearly isn't getting anywhere, but it sure is amusing.

Just wait until he accuses you of being defensive

Kova · May 2019

Ayastigi wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

I don’t get it dude. You’re not saying Sorc is overpowered. I’m not saying Sorc is overpowered. What are we even arguing about?

The OP is saying Sorc is overpowered. He thinks they need nerffed. Hard. Or everything else brought up to their level. However you want to look at it.

I play every class. I’ll admit, mag warden is my fav. It doesn’t feel over or under powered. More just ok. I’d feel like WW could maybe use a bit of a nerf maybe...but not really....maybe templar healing needs nerffed..ahh not really.

The balance is not that far out of whack where even anything needs to be done.

The op never said sorc is overpowered.

*looks at thread title*

After playing sorc in PVP every other class just feels underpowered

Sidenote, and this is in no way to disparage the quoted player, but why is it that threads about nerfing magicka classes consistently display terrible literacy and language comprehension and at the same time lack numerical evidence to support the claims?

If we're going off of anecdotes and personal experience, I've not lost to a pet sorc since the last update. Not once.

I even despise the fact that pet sorcs are now just referred to as sorcs.

This isn't a nerf thread so I assume you're talking about some other thread right?

I get it. I get that the argument is lost and there is no hope of actual discussion, and that's why you're using direct phrasing defenses in response to everyone's rebuttals. It's discourteous to your audience, but I get it.

In this game, nerfing refers to changing something in order to reduce its effectiveness, superiority, or imbalance in comparison to other playstyles/classes.

Buffing other classes to "bring them in line" with your perception of the sorcerer class is nerfing sorc according to how you view the current power balance.

If a hill sticks out from the ground and you add earth to the surrounding land to even it out, you still removed the hill because the hill was defined as being above the rest of the landscape.

Using the word nerf is irrelevant when the process is the same. The only thing you've changed is how other perceive your actions, not the action itself.

That's why buff threads are just as effective as nerf threads, for they are one and the same.

HalvarIronfist · May 2019

Kel wrote: »

In before every sorc comes in with every reason why they are weak and actually need buffed.

I've posted screenshots of my sorc going 30-0 in battlegrounds, taking on 4 to 10 players in Cyrodiil, solo'ing vet dungeons...still get told how weak and underpowered they are.

I know you're trying to talk about buffing other classes to the sorc standard, but I'll be very surprised if the thread goes along those lines. Just not how this forum works...

Best of luck though.

I suck at playing Mag characters, and even I've pulled off ridiculous magsorc plays. 1vX, High scores in BGs, and general PVP destruction.

But.. I don't really think that they're "Better" than everything else. Depends on the player. When I played my Stamsorc, I could absolutely obliterate people. 38-0 in A BG. (Yes, I can provide screenshot.)

Or when I played a Stamwarden WW in Bgs, there was rarely a game I had under 20 kills.

I play stam characters much better than Mag, but I do agree that the raw power is there. In a PVE Perspective, I'm trash at magsorc/mag characters. In PVP, I do better, but I still play best on stamina builds.

My best performing mag characters PVP wise were Magsorc and Magwarden. Warden seemed a bit more... AOE centered.. Permafrost, Fetcherfly Infection, Deep Fissure, ETC. Magsorc however seems heavily single target. While AOE potential is there, I was finding great success simply hitting a combo of - Haunting Curse, Flame Reach , Crystal Frags. (usually instant and more powerful!) and finishing with mages wrath if the frags didn't kill.

I used a pet for a heal at the time, which worked fairly well. But I'm switching over to a resto staff backbar just for better HoTs.

Sorc is a very friendly class to play. Stam or Mag in my opinion. Stamblade is also very friendly. Magblade is a complete joke. I tried one, and I found the performance embarrassing. (I may not be the best player, but in my experience using it in PVP was absolutely terrible.)

Are they "OP"? NO.. Not really. People have just perfected them.

Anyhow, these are just my thoughts based on my experiences playing magsorc/stamsorc, among other mag/stam pvp classes. It really depends on the player, I guess.

Ayastigi · May 2019

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kylewwefan wrote: »

I don’t get it dude. You’re not saying Sorc is overpowered. I’m not saying Sorc is overpowered. What are we even arguing about?

The OP is saying Sorc is overpowered. He thinks they need nerffed. Hard. Or everything else brought up to their level. However you want to look at it.

I play every class. I’ll admit, mag warden is my fav. It doesn’t feel over or under powered. More just ok. I’d feel like WW could maybe use a bit of a nerf maybe...but not really....maybe templar healing needs nerffed..ahh not really.

The balance is not that far out of whack where even anything needs to be done.

The op never said sorc is overpowered.

*looks at thread title*

After playing sorc in PVP every other class just feels underpowered

Sidenote, and this is in no way to disparage the quoted player, but why is it that threads about nerfing magicka classes consistently display terrible literacy and language comprehension and at the same time lack numerical evidence to support the claims?

If we're going off of anecdotes and personal experience, I've not lost to a pet sorc since the last update. Not once.

I even despise the fact that pet sorcs are now just referred to as sorcs.

This isn't a nerf thread so I assume you're talking about some other thread right?

I get it. I get that the argument is lost and there is no hope of actual discussion, and that's why you're using direct phrasing defenses in response to everyone's rebuttals. It's discourteous to your audience, but I get it.

In this game, nerfing refers to changing something in order to reduce its effectiveness, superiority, or imbalance in comparison to other playstyles/classes.

Buffing other classes to "bring them in line" with your perception of the sorcerer class is nerfing sorc according to how you view the current power balance.

If a hill sticks out from the ground and you add earth to the surrounding land to even it out, you still removed the hill because the hill was defined as being above the rest of the landscape.

Using the word nerf is irrelevant when the process is the same. The only thing you've changed is how other perceive your actions, not the action itself.

That's why buff threads are just as effective as nerf threads, for they are one and the same.

Hey man props on the lyrical writing a bit overkill for me but was cool still. It's not that serious though we can still have a discussion about it. I think sorcs are very well equipped for all forms of pvp and would like other classes buffed to have a similar kit (mobility, defense, burst) but i'd even just take the mobility. Having an escape mechanism that doesn't use major expedition would be awesome on other classes. Also, you gotta quit trying to tell me "how i view a current power balance", I view it how I view it now how you say I view it lol so yea still not a nerf thread

Ayastigi · May 2019

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kylewwefan wrote: »

No idea where this thread went off to? The OP, who mains a Stam DK but mostly plays StamSorc concludes mag Sorc is overpowered because he gets kills easier with it.

I think the gist of it is that MagSorc is Not over or under powered, but just kind of right and fairly well balanced.

Trying to explain this in a myriad of hypothetical situations has gone far off the original sentiment.

I think what is being expressed by many here is that MagSorc has an easy Skill Learning Curve. Just meaning it’s a bit easier to get on and learn and perform well; more so than other classes.

No need to get defensive about anything, but how can you prove that Sorc is so overpowered that everything else needs buffed to compete against it? Wouldn’t it be far easier to Nerf Sorc to bring it in line with everyone else?

Ok, no one is asking for that. Just prove that Sorc is overpowered in some way. It’s really not? Then carry on. This topic of conversation is moot.

You say don't get defensive but your tone is defensive lol. The fact is nothing is gonna sway your opinion one way or the other. I could link this forum post https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/470743/complete/p1
It's a poll asking the strongest pvp class and mag sorc had over 40% of the votes with 2nd place garnering 23%
We could talk about how easy it is to 1vx on mag sorc compared to other classes which is evidenced by the fact that mag sorc has the most spots on the top 5 pvp clips of the week 2nd place isn't even close. I'm not trying to change your mind because your mind is made up. I'm talking to the people reading this who also feel like other classes could benefit from buffs to be brought up to the level of sorcs. For me I would like buffs to mobility, I know race against time has been reworked and will add another dimension to a lot of builds but I mean mobility that doesn't require a major expedition buff like streak. I do agree that sorcs are in a good spot for pvp but i've been saying that the whole time I think it comes down to the fact that you're upset this thread is still ongoing I may be wrong though...also, no need to prove sorc is overpowered as I've never said sorc is overpowered I've only said it's in a good spot for all forms of pvp.

That poll includes petsorc. Read the OP.

ToRelax Only 4 out of 85 votes for sorc specified pet sorc..Read the thread

Not everyone commented at all and 0 specified non pet sorc to be better overall.
One claimed no pet sorc would be better in no CP, but it actually falls farther behind because magicka efficiency is significantly more important there.

So what was the point you were trying to make when saying "That poll includes petsorc. Read the OP."

To call you out on faulty evidence. The poll and following thread do not say non pet sorc is particularly powerful except for the one instance I mentioned and argued against. Meanwhile both the OP and several other posts indicate that it is in fact pet sorcs who are currently overpowered.

1st. How is the evidence faulty..i'll answer that for you it's not but you don't like it so you try to find something to nit pick at.
2nd. 4/85 is not several other posts.
3rd. You're the one calling petsorcs overpowered nobody on this side is saying anything about sorc being overpowered last time i'll say that.

I also don't see a lot of the 85 people who voted for mag sorc specify that it isn't in fact the bow/bow magsorcs that are OP, so clearly that counts as evidence that those are actually the most powerful build in PvP. /s

If, as per your thread title, every other class were indeed underpowered, then that is the same as saying magsorc is overpowered.

This clearly isn't getting anywhere, but it sure is amusing.

I don't agree. Mag sorcs have a balance of mobility, burst, and defense that each class should strive for. Bringing other classes up to this level would be fun and healthy for the game right? I think they are balanced not overpowered.

ToRelax · May 2019

Ayastigi wrote: »

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Ayastigi wrote: »

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Ayastigi wrote: »

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Ayastigi wrote: »

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kylewwefan wrote: »

No idea where this thread went off to? The OP, who mains a Stam DK but mostly plays StamSorc concludes mag Sorc is overpowered because he gets kills easier with it.

I think the gist of it is that MagSorc is Not over or under powered, but just kind of right and fairly well balanced.

Trying to explain this in a myriad of hypothetical situations has gone far off the original sentiment.

I think what is being expressed by many here is that MagSorc has an easy Skill Learning Curve. Just meaning it’s a bit easier to get on and learn and perform well; more so than other classes.

No need to get defensive about anything, but how can you prove that Sorc is so overpowered that everything else needs buffed to compete against it? Wouldn’t it be far easier to Nerf Sorc to bring it in line with everyone else?

Ok, no one is asking for that. Just prove that Sorc is overpowered in some way. It’s really not? Then carry on. This topic of conversation is moot.

You say don't get defensive but your tone is defensive lol. The fact is nothing is gonna sway your opinion one way or the other. I could link this forum post https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/470743/complete/p1
It's a poll asking the strongest pvp class and mag sorc had over 40% of the votes with 2nd place garnering 23%
We could talk about how easy it is to 1vx on mag sorc compared to other classes which is evidenced by the fact that mag sorc has the most spots on the top 5 pvp clips of the week 2nd place isn't even close. I'm not trying to change your mind because your mind is made up. I'm talking to the people reading this who also feel like other classes could benefit from buffs to be brought up to the level of sorcs. For me I would like buffs to mobility, I know race against time has been reworked and will add another dimension to a lot of builds but I mean mobility that doesn't require a major expedition buff like streak. I do agree that sorcs are in a good spot for pvp but i've been saying that the whole time I think it comes down to the fact that you're upset this thread is still ongoing I may be wrong though...also, no need to prove sorc is overpowered as I've never said sorc is overpowered I've only said it's in a good spot for all forms of pvp.

That poll includes petsorc. Read the OP.

ToRelax Only 4 out of 85 votes for sorc specified pet sorc..Read the thread

Not everyone commented at all and 0 specified non pet sorc to be better overall.
One claimed no pet sorc would be better in no CP, but it actually falls farther behind because magicka efficiency is significantly more important there.

So what was the point you were trying to make when saying "That poll includes petsorc. Read the OP."

To call you out on faulty evidence. The poll and following thread do not say non pet sorc is particularly powerful except for the one instance I mentioned and argued against. Meanwhile both the OP and several other posts indicate that it is in fact pet sorcs who are currently overpowered.

1st. How is the evidence faulty..i'll answer that for you it's not but you don't like it so you try to find something to nit pick at.
2nd. 4/85 is not several other posts.
3rd. You're the one calling petsorcs overpowered nobody on this side is saying anything about sorc being overpowered last time i'll say that.

I also don't see a lot of the 85 people who voted for mag sorc specify that it isn't in fact the bow/bow magsorcs that are OP, so clearly that counts as evidence that those are actually the most powerful build in PvP. /s

If, as per your thread title, every other class were indeed underpowered, then that is the same as saying magsorc is overpowered.

This clearly isn't getting anywhere, but it sure is amusing.

I don't agree. Mag sorcs have a balance of mobility, burst, and defense that each class should strive for. Bringing other classes up to this level would be fun and healthy for the game right? I think they are balanced not overpowered.

So you are like saying that balance is an innate quality of a class independent of the other classes and also excludes being overpowered, which might mean god knows what to you.
Now how exactly their mobility, burst and defense define that balance still eludes me... but I do hope that balance doesn't require other classes to have similar levels of all of these.
Keep it up.