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sprint jump exploit?

  • Malmai
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    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Ertosi wrote: »
    You sure they simply weren't a sorc

    Looks amazing but it's not something that is working as intended

    I
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Ertosi wrote: »
    You sure they simply weren't a sorc using Bolt Escape?

    Sounds like a sorc using Bolt Escape.

    It's not bolt escape. There is a certain lowbie character on PC EU that can do multiple "super jumps" across terrain that's not even flat.

    Looks amazing but it's not something that is working as intended

    You still running sewers with noobs?
    Edited by Malmai on May 1, 2019 11:08PM
  • Kel
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    A video of someone bunnyhopping the ball into thier safe zone in a BG match....

    https://youtu.be/RYGc0gbsFik

    Sure seems like cheating to me....
  • laksikus
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    Vandril wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    Ackwalan wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
    so i dont know what should be bannable using it

    its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.

    Exploiting game mechanics IS cheating.

    no it isnt.
    using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
    there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit

    tenor.gif
    Okay...
    I get that 1+1=3
    If 1 is male and 1 is female and they have a baby...but...that’s some next level reasoning..that..doesn’t add up for me...sorry...

    so tell me what the definition of " to exploit" is

    Just remember, you asked for this.

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exploit

    verb, definition 2
    to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage

    So let's look at the definition of unfairly and unfair to see if exploiting unintended features in a game fits.

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfairly
    in an unfair manner

    Useful definition, amirite? So onto "unfair".

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfair

    definition 1
    marked by injustice, partiality, or deception : unjust

    Interesting. So is using this exploit unjust? Let's look.

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unjust

    definition 1
    characterized by injustice : unfair

    Once again, how useful. We just came here from unfair's page, so let's go look up injustice.

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/injustice

    definition 2
    an unjust act : wrong

    Oh, we're finally getting somewhere. Let's go one more step into this linguistic rabbit hole and find our answer and look up the word "wrong".

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wrong

    Oh! So abusing unintentional game mechanics is wrong by multiple definitions! Let's quote a few that it fits.
    something wrong, immoral, or unethical
    not according to the moral standard
    not right or proper according to a code, standard, or convention
    not in accordance with one's needs, intent, or expectations

    The bolded ones are particularly relevant.

    Huh.Would you look at that. Abusing unintended game mechanics is wrong (by multiple definitions), which makes it unjust, which means it's unfair, which makes it an exploit. Big surprise.

    _______________

    So let's go a step further. Is it cheating? Since we're calling it "cheating", we're looking for one of the verb definitions. Let's take a look.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheat

    intransitive verb, definition 1b
    to violate rules dishonestly

    Oh! To violate rules, huh? Okay, well, guess what: abusing exploits is against the rules in ESO, which is why the system automatically kicks and locks any character caught doing it intentionally.

    _______________

    So, hey, would you look at that! "Bunnyjumping" is simultaneously an exploit, by definition, AND cheating, by definition!

    Consider yourself proven very thoroughly wrong.

    :trollface:

    blablabla
    nice that you give me that link. and quite definition 2. and pull it out of context.

    definition 1
    to make productive use of something.





  • Kel
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    laksikus wrote: »
    its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
    so i dont know what should be bannable using it

    its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.
    laksikus wrote: »
    Ackwalan wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
    so i dont know what should be bannable using it

    its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.

    Exploiting game mechanics IS cheating.

    no it isnt.
    using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
    there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit
    laksikus wrote: »
    Vandril wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    Ackwalan wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
    so i dont know what should be bannable using it

    its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.

    Exploiting game mechanics IS cheating.

    no it isnt.
    using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
    there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit

    tenor.gif
    Okay...
    I get that 1+1=3
    If 1 is male and 1 is female and they have a baby...but...that’s some next level reasoning..that..doesn’t add up for me...sorry...

    so tell me what the definition of " to exploit" is

    Just remember, you asked for this.

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exploit

    verb, definition 2
    to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage

    So let's look at the definition of unfairly and unfair to see if exploiting unintended features in a game fits.

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfairly
    in an unfair manner

    Useful definition, amirite? So onto "unfair".

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfair

    definition 1
    marked by injustice, partiality, or deception : unjust

    Interesting. So is using this exploit unjust? Let's look.

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unjust

    definition 1
    characterized by injustice : unfair

    Once again, how useful. We just came here from unfair's page, so let's go look up injustice.

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/injustice

    definition 2
    an unjust act : wrong

    Oh, we're finally getting somewhere. Let's go one more step into this linguistic rabbit hole and find our answer and look up the word "wrong".

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wrong

    Oh! So abusing unintentional game mechanics is wrong by multiple definitions! Let's quote a few that it fits.
    something wrong, immoral, or unethical
    not according to the moral standard
    not right or proper according to a code, standard, or convention
    not in accordance with one's needs, intent, or expectations

    The bolded ones are particularly relevant.

    Huh.Would you look at that. Abusing unintended game mechanics is wrong (by multiple definitions), which makes it unjust, which means it's unfair, which makes it an exploit. Big surprise.

    _______________

    So let's go a step further. Is it cheating? Since we're calling it "cheating", we're looking for one of the verb definitions. Let's take a look.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheat

    intransitive verb, definition 1b
    to violate rules dishonestly

    Oh! To violate rules, huh? Okay, well, guess what: abusing exploits is against the rules in ESO, which is why the system automatically kicks and locks any character caught doing it intentionally.

    _______________

    So, hey, would you look at that! "Bunnyjumping" is simultaneously an exploit, by definition, AND cheating, by definition!

    Consider yourself proven very thoroughly wrong.

    :trollface:

    blablabla
    nice that you give me that link. and quite definition 2. and pull it out of context.

    definition 1
    to make productive use of something.

    Beware of those downplaying or justifying this type of thing.
    Those people are typically the ones using the exploit/cheat.
  • laksikus
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    Kel wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
    so i dont know what should be bannable using it

    its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.
    laksikus wrote: »
    Ackwalan wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
    so i dont know what should be bannable using it

    its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.

    Exploiting game mechanics IS cheating.

    no it isnt.
    using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
    there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit
    laksikus wrote: »
    Vandril wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    Ackwalan wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
    so i dont know what should be bannable using it

    its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.

    Exploiting game mechanics IS cheating.

    no it isnt.
    using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
    there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit

    tenor.gif
    Okay...
    I get that 1+1=3
    If 1 is male and 1 is female and they have a baby...but...that’s some next level reasoning..that..doesn’t add up for me...sorry...

    so tell me what the definition of " to exploit" is

    Just remember, you asked for this.

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exploit

    verb, definition 2
    to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage

    So let's look at the definition of unfairly and unfair to see if exploiting unintended features in a game fits.

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfairly
    in an unfair manner

    Useful definition, amirite? So onto "unfair".

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfair

    definition 1
    marked by injustice, partiality, or deception : unjust

    Interesting. So is using this exploit unjust? Let's look.

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unjust

    definition 1
    characterized by injustice : unfair

    Once again, how useful. We just came here from unfair's page, so let's go look up injustice.

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/injustice

    definition 2
    an unjust act : wrong

    Oh, we're finally getting somewhere. Let's go one more step into this linguistic rabbit hole and find our answer and look up the word "wrong".

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wrong

    Oh! So abusing unintentional game mechanics is wrong by multiple definitions! Let's quote a few that it fits.
    something wrong, immoral, or unethical
    not according to the moral standard
    not right or proper according to a code, standard, or convention
    not in accordance with one's needs, intent, or expectations

    The bolded ones are particularly relevant.

    Huh.Would you look at that. Abusing unintended game mechanics is wrong (by multiple definitions), which makes it unjust, which means it's unfair, which makes it an exploit. Big surprise.

    _______________

    So let's go a step further. Is it cheating? Since we're calling it "cheating", we're looking for one of the verb definitions. Let's take a look.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheat

    intransitive verb, definition 1b
    to violate rules dishonestly

    Oh! To violate rules, huh? Okay, well, guess what: abusing exploits is against the rules in ESO, which is why the system automatically kicks and locks any character caught doing it intentionally.

    _______________

    So, hey, would you look at that! "Bunnyjumping" is simultaneously an exploit, by definition, AND cheating, by definition!

    Consider yourself proven very thoroughly wrong.

    :trollface:

    blablabla
    nice that you give me that link. and quite definition 2. and pull it out of context.

    definition 1
    to make productive use of something.

    Beware of those downplaying or justifying this type of thing.
    Those people are typically the ones using the exploit/cheat.

    beware those that have more experience and knowledge of the game, and call everything you dont know how to do cheat

    and i havent even used bunny hops in months xD
    Edited by laksikus on May 2, 2019 12:14AM
  • xenowarrior92eb17_ESO
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    poor nightblades...now zos gona put us a chain with ball on our legs...
  • Kel
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    laksikus wrote: »
    Kel wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
    so i dont know what should be bannable using it

    its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.
    laksikus wrote: »
    Ackwalan wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
    so i dont know what should be bannable using it

    its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.

    Exploiting game mechanics IS cheating.

    no it isnt.
    using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
    there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit
    laksikus wrote: »
    Vandril wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    Ackwalan wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
    so i dont know what should be bannable using it

    its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.

    Exploiting game mechanics IS cheating.

    no it isnt.
    using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
    there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit

    tenor.gif
    Okay...
    I get that 1+1=3
    If 1 is male and 1 is female and they have a baby...but...that’s some next level reasoning..that..doesn’t add up for me...sorry...

    so tell me what the definition of " to exploit" is

    Just remember, you asked for this.

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exploit

    verb, definition 2
    to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage

    So let's look at the definition of unfairly and unfair to see if exploiting unintended features in a game fits.

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfairly
    in an unfair manner

    Useful definition, amirite? So onto "unfair".

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfair

    definition 1
    marked by injustice, partiality, or deception : unjust

    Interesting. So is using this exploit unjust? Let's look.

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unjust

    definition 1
    characterized by injustice : unfair

    Once again, how useful. We just came here from unfair's page, so let's go look up injustice.

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/injustice

    definition 2
    an unjust act : wrong

    Oh, we're finally getting somewhere. Let's go one more step into this linguistic rabbit hole and find our answer and look up the word "wrong".

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wrong

    Oh! So abusing unintentional game mechanics is wrong by multiple definitions! Let's quote a few that it fits.
    something wrong, immoral, or unethical
    not according to the moral standard
    not right or proper according to a code, standard, or convention
    not in accordance with one's needs, intent, or expectations

    The bolded ones are particularly relevant.

    Huh.Would you look at that. Abusing unintended game mechanics is wrong (by multiple definitions), which makes it unjust, which means it's unfair, which makes it an exploit. Big surprise.

    _______________

    So let's go a step further. Is it cheating? Since we're calling it "cheating", we're looking for one of the verb definitions. Let's take a look.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheat

    intransitive verb, definition 1b
    to violate rules dishonestly

    Oh! To violate rules, huh? Okay, well, guess what: abusing exploits is against the rules in ESO, which is why the system automatically kicks and locks any character caught doing it intentionally.

    _______________

    So, hey, would you look at that! "Bunnyjumping" is simultaneously an exploit, by definition, AND cheating, by definition!

    Consider yourself proven very thoroughly wrong.

    :trollface:

    blablabla
    nice that you give me that link. and quite definition 2. and pull it out of context.

    definition 1
    to make productive use of something.

    Beware of those downplaying or justifying this type of thing.
    Those people are typically the ones using the exploit/cheat.

    beware those that have more experience and knowledge of the game, and call everything you dont know how to do cheat

    and i havent even used bunny hops in months xD

    Yeah, because the video I posted sure seems like legit game mechanics....🙄
  • laksikus
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    Kel wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    Kel wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
    so i dont know what should be bannable using it

    its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.
    laksikus wrote: »
    Ackwalan wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
    so i dont know what should be bannable using it

    its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.

    Exploiting game mechanics IS cheating.

    no it isnt.
    using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
    there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit
    laksikus wrote: »
    Vandril wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    Ackwalan wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
    so i dont know what should be bannable using it

    its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.

    Exploiting game mechanics IS cheating.

    no it isnt.
    using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
    there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit

    tenor.gif
    Okay...
    I get that 1+1=3
    If 1 is male and 1 is female and they have a baby...but...that’s some next level reasoning..that..doesn’t add up for me...sorry...

    so tell me what the definition of " to exploit" is

    Just remember, you asked for this.

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exploit

    verb, definition 2
    to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage

    So let's look at the definition of unfairly and unfair to see if exploiting unintended features in a game fits.

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfairly
    in an unfair manner

    Useful definition, amirite? So onto "unfair".

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfair

    definition 1
    marked by injustice, partiality, or deception : unjust

    Interesting. So is using this exploit unjust? Let's look.

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unjust

    definition 1
    characterized by injustice : unfair

    Once again, how useful. We just came here from unfair's page, so let's go look up injustice.

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/injustice

    definition 2
    an unjust act : wrong

    Oh, we're finally getting somewhere. Let's go one more step into this linguistic rabbit hole and find our answer and look up the word "wrong".

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wrong

    Oh! So abusing unintentional game mechanics is wrong by multiple definitions! Let's quote a few that it fits.
    something wrong, immoral, or unethical
    not according to the moral standard
    not right or proper according to a code, standard, or convention
    not in accordance with one's needs, intent, or expectations

    The bolded ones are particularly relevant.

    Huh.Would you look at that. Abusing unintended game mechanics is wrong (by multiple definitions), which makes it unjust, which means it's unfair, which makes it an exploit. Big surprise.

    _______________

    So let's go a step further. Is it cheating? Since we're calling it "cheating", we're looking for one of the verb definitions. Let's take a look.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheat

    intransitive verb, definition 1b
    to violate rules dishonestly

    Oh! To violate rules, huh? Okay, well, guess what: abusing exploits is against the rules in ESO, which is why the system automatically kicks and locks any character caught doing it intentionally.

    _______________

    So, hey, would you look at that! "Bunnyjumping" is simultaneously an exploit, by definition, AND cheating, by definition!

    Consider yourself proven very thoroughly wrong.

    :trollface:

    blablabla
    nice that you give me that link. and quite definition 2. and pull it out of context.

    definition 1
    to make productive use of something.

    Beware of those downplaying or justifying this type of thing.
    Those people are typically the ones using the exploit/cheat.

    beware those that have more experience and knowledge of the game, and call everything you dont know how to do cheat

    and i havent even used bunny hops in months xD

    Yeah, because the video I posted sure seems like legit game mechanics....🙄

    you press 3 buttons. how can itnot be a game mechanics
  • Ertosi
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    laksikus wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    Ackwalan wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
    so i dont know what should be bannable using it

    its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.

    Exploiting game mechanics IS cheating.

    no it isnt.
    using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
    there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit

    tenor.gif
    Okay...
    I get that 1+1=3
    If 1 is male and 1 is female and they have a baby...but...that’s some next level reasoning..that..doesn’t add up for me...sorry...

    so tell me what the definition of " to exploit" is

    Googling "Define Exploit" we get "make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource)."

    Googling "Cheat Synonyms" we get a link to Thesaurus.com where the following are listed together - Beguile: Betray, Cheat, Con, Deceive, Double-cross, Dupe, Exploit, Hoodwink, Manipulate, Scam, Trick.


    Any who don't think Exploits are Cheating are deceiving (i.e. duping, tricking, conning) themselves in order to manipulate (i.e. scam, trick, hoodwink, cheat, exploit) the system.
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  • Goregrinder
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    Oh this? lol man I forgot this is still around.
  • Vandril
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    laksikus wrote: »
    Vandril wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    Ackwalan wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
    so i dont know what should be bannable using it

    its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.

    Exploiting game mechanics IS cheating.

    no it isnt.
    using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
    there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit

    tenor.gif
    Okay...
    I get that 1+1=3
    If 1 is male and 1 is female and they have a baby...but...that’s some next level reasoning..that..doesn’t add up for me...sorry...

    so tell me what the definition of " to exploit" is

    Just remember, you asked for this.

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exploit

    verb, definition 2
    to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage

    So let's look at the definition of unfairly and unfair to see if exploiting unintended features in a game fits.

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfairly
    in an unfair manner

    Useful definition, amirite? So onto "unfair".

    _______________

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfair

    definition 1
    marked by injustice, partiality, or deception : unjust

    Interesting. So is using this exploit unjust? Let's look.

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    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unjust

    definition 1
    characterized by injustice : unfair

    Once again, how useful. We just came here from unfair's page, so let's go look up injustice.

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    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/injustice

    definition 2
    an unjust act : wrong

    Oh, we're finally getting somewhere. Let's go one more step into this linguistic rabbit hole and find our answer and look up the word "wrong".

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    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wrong

    Oh! So abusing unintentional game mechanics is wrong by multiple definitions! Let's quote a few that it fits.
    something wrong, immoral, or unethical
    not according to the moral standard
    not right or proper according to a code, standard, or convention
    not in accordance with one's needs, intent, or expectations

    The bolded ones are particularly relevant.

    Huh.Would you look at that. Abusing unintended game mechanics is wrong (by multiple definitions), which makes it unjust, which means it's unfair, which makes it an exploit. Big surprise.

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    So let's go a step further. Is it cheating? Since we're calling it "cheating", we're looking for one of the verb definitions. Let's take a look.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheat

    intransitive verb, definition 1b
    to violate rules dishonestly

    Oh! To violate rules, huh? Okay, well, guess what: abusing exploits is against the rules in ESO, which is why the system automatically kicks and locks any character caught doing it intentionally.

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    So, hey, would you look at that! "Bunnyjumping" is simultaneously an exploit, by definition, AND cheating, by definition!

    Consider yourself proven very thoroughly wrong.

    :trollface:

    blablabla
    nice that you give me that link. and quite definition 2. and pull it out of context.

    definition 1
    to make productive use of something.





    Funny, that. See, words can fit multiple definitions at once within the context of a single usage of the word. "Bunnyjumping" certainly does fit the first definition, but that doesn't preclude it from fitting the second definition! Whether it fits the first definition or not has absolutely no bearing on whether or not the exploit in question fits the second. And so long as it fits the second definition, which it absolutely does, it is cheating.

    What you're doing here is called cherry picking. You're also deflecting, by claiming I'm pulling something out of context when that is quite literally what cherry picking means - the act of pointing at individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position.

    But go ahead. Rationalize cheating via exploits all you want. You're allowed to be wrong.
    Edited by Vandril on May 2, 2019 12:35AM
  • Waffennacht
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    Kel wrote: »
    A video of someone bunnyhopping the ball into thier safe zone in a BG match....

    https://youtu.be/RYGc0gbsFik

    Sure seems like cheating to me....

    I tried, and I do not think he has any sight of the bunnyhop occuring.

    This also maybe an older video.

    It's no good for sure though (cheating)
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  • laksikus
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    Ertosi wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    Ackwalan wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
    so i dont know what should be bannable using it

    its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.

    Exploiting game mechanics IS cheating.

    no it isnt.
    using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
    there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit

    tenor.gif
    Okay...
    I get that 1+1=3
    If 1 is male and 1 is female and they have a baby...but...that’s some next level reasoning..that..doesn’t add up for me...sorry...

    so tell me what the definition of " to exploit" is

    Googling "Define Exploit" we get "make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource)."

    Googling "Cheat Synonyms" we get a link to Thesaurus.com where the following are listed together - Beguile: Betray, Cheat, Con, Deceive, Double-cross, Dupe, Exploit, Hoodwink, Manipulate, Scam, Trick.


    Any who don't think Exploits are Cheating are deceiving (i.e. duping, tricking, conning) themselves in order to manipulate (i.e. scam, trick, hoodwink, cheat, exploit) the system.

    read the definition of exploit again ;)
    that definition would even apply to pokemon using a water attack against a fire pokemon, but thats not a cheat xD

    in eso words: i can exloit (use to my advantage)proc sets in pvp. and even if its unfair its no cheat
    i can use counter abilities, sets, battleleveling or anything else thats in the game to get an advantage in certain situations.

    thats the very definition of exploiting. and not of cheating
  • Theignson
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    @SirAndy posted exactly what I saw. So watch that short video.

    So about half the posters says this is fine. If so, can you tell us exactly how this is done?

    There are 3 keys...and they are all pushed at once? Sprint/jump/strafe ?

    Then another poster says yes, this works, but it is almost impossible to get the timing right without a macro.

    So those of you who argue this is a perfectly legal maneuver-- do you agree it needs a macro? Is it still not cheating, if you have to use a macro to get it to work well every time you have to run away from a fight?
    4 GOs, and bunches of prefects etc-- all classes...I've wasted a lot of time in PVP over the last 8 years
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    laksikus wrote: »
    Ackwalan wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
    so i dont know what should be bannable using it

    its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.

    Exploiting game mechanics IS cheating.

    no it isnt.
    using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
    there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit

    Yes it is.

    The overpowered sets are working as intended, even if they are op, bunnyjumping is not an intended game mechanic.
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    Malmai wrote: »
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    Ertosi wrote: »
    You sure they simply weren't a sorc

    Looks amazing but it's not something that is working as intended

    I
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Ertosi wrote: »
    You sure they simply weren't a sorc using Bolt Escape?

    Sounds like a sorc using Bolt Escape.

    It's not bolt escape. There is a certain lowbie character on PC EU that can do multiple "super jumps" across terrain that's not even flat.

    Looks amazing but it's not something that is working as intended

    You still running sewers with noobs?

    I run in the districts not sewers and by myself unless I stumble upon other people.
    Made 5 mil telvar past few weeks.

    I do not see how this is relevant to the thread tough? Sad I call out your exploiting buddy or something ? :trollface:
    Edited by Master_Kas on May 2, 2019 2:17AM
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    are we talking about the sonic movie again
  • f047ys3v3n
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    This bunny jump explains some things. I have encountered NB's who I did not believe were using cheats (because they were not neigh on invulnerable, virtually instantly healing, hit like a truck, and had resources for days) that nevertheless were able to move too far too fast in cloak to be legitimate. This explains these players and it must be pretty well known as I have encountered it fairly frequently. Nothing like a free streak you can to while cloaked that you don't even need to be running cheat engine for.
    I am currently worried for the future of ESO. Population seems like it is in free fall and the cancellation of the North America in-person gathering feels very much like pulling the plug. Kudos on fixing the in-game economy though. Clearly whatever gold shenanigans were happening the last couple years are fixed.
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    Kel wrote: »
    A video of someone bunnyhopping the ball into thier safe zone in a BG match....

    https://youtu.be/RYGc0gbsFik

    Sure seems like cheating to me....

    I tried, and I do not think he has any sight of the bunnyhop occuring.

    This also maybe an older video.

    It's no good for sure though (cheating)

    What happens in that video is something completely different than what is being discussed in this thread. If you die at the same time as you pick up the chaos ball, it can sometimes glitch out so you pick up the ball but doesn't take any damage from it.
  • laksikus
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    Mr_Walker wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    Ackwalan wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
    so i dont know what should be bannable using it

    its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.

    Exploiting game mechanics IS cheating.

    no it isnt.
    using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
    there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit

    Yes it is.

    The overpowered sets are working as intended, even if they are op, bunnyjumping is not an intended game mechanic.

    all the nerfs to proc set seems to mean to me they didnt work as intended in the past
  • Metafae
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    There is a bunny hopping method you can do. I was told about it, a friend would bind jump to scroll wheel and then you literally just spam jump while going downhill, the momentum adds up and you build up speed.

    Though if you go past a certain speed the game gets angry and teleports you back to where you were before you broke the speed cap.
  • Mr_Walker
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    laksikus wrote: »
    Mr_Walker wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    Ackwalan wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
    so i dont know what should be bannable using it

    its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.

    Exploiting game mechanics IS cheating.

    no it isnt.
    using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
    there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit

    Yes it is.

    The overpowered sets are working as intended, even if they are op, bunnyjumping is not an intended game mechanic.

    all the nerfs to proc set seems to mean to me they didnt work as intended in the past

    Well, it might mean that to you, but you would be incorrect. That zos decide to change numbers/functions in a proc set doesn't mean it wasn't working as intended, it merely means they decided to change something.

  • laksikus
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    Mr_Walker wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    Mr_Walker wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    Ackwalan wrote: »
    laksikus wrote: »
    its exploiting a game mechanics. but its not cheating.
    so i dont know what should be bannable using it

    its the same method that is used in other games and its possible in Eso since 5 years.

    Exploiting game mechanics IS cheating.

    no it isnt.
    using overpowered sets is also exploiting game mechanics. and its still not cheating.
    there are several thinga you can say they are exploiting and still no cheats, per definition of the word to exploit

    Yes it is.

    The overpowered sets are working as intended, even if they are op, bunnyjumping is not an intended game mechanic.

    all the nerfs to proc set seems to mean to me they didnt work as intended in the past

    Well, it might mean that to you, but you would be incorrect. That zos decide to change numbers/functions in a proc set doesn't mean it wasn't working as intended, it merely means they decided to change something.

    and they could just decide to change the way strafing works, but till then people will be using it
  • Bogdan_Kobzar
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    Cheat, Hack, Exploit, "creative use of game mechanics", "broken gear" build, whatever it is labeled as, if it is ToS legal, please post details on how to do this sprint jump, I have been unsuccessful in doing this in with cp active in Tamriel and in Cyrodiil in both a cp and a non-cp campaign.
    There are many streamers of ESO, please post a link to a video that will show how we can do this.
    Edited by Bogdan_Kobzar on May 2, 2019 10:59AM
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  • Glass
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    I tested the bunny jumping in the pts with macros and without for murkmire patch and what I experienced that time was that those videos that you see like Andy shared before are macro users, the succession of keys is simple but pretty fast and you need to time it right within the second, so not reliable in the slightest, so even if bunny jumping wasn't an exploit someone jumping over and over like that so reliably shows he's using macros 100%

    I also like to add that bunny jumping is something that can happen to you pretty frequently if you are button mashing, so don't go around reporting everyone who maybe jumped one time farther than he should :p
    Edited by Glass on May 2, 2019 11:48AM
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    Greetings! We've closed this thread due to its discussion of exploits, which is a violation of our Terms of Service. Players discovering exploits, cheats, cracks or other inconsistencies are required to report them to ZeniMax.
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