Clotholachesisatropos666b14_ESO wrote: »

Your entire post is wrong, either you've never played a brand new mmo before, or oyu're just one of the many people that go into a new game and do nothing but say how bad it is and how much you hate it, quit for six months com back play it for years and brag that's you've been here from the start lol. I love seeing threads like this.

Oh look, another "not my experience, you must be lying" post.

albinokitten wrote: »

So where are all these games with perfect launches?

Because people act like having glitches and bugs during launch is a new thing.

You seem to think the plethora of bugs is the issue. No, the issue is lack of response from ZOS.

So, the game is broken because he/she has issues that most people do not have. That usually means user side error. An outdated system/drivers, needing to repair your installation, way too many background programs, or really messed up settings.

Most mmo's have been far more glitchy at launch than this one.

Weird, my FPS jumps significantly higher when I'm in a dungeon or other interior location. I've also only had one bugged quest so far, thank goodness, but then I doubt I play as much as a lot of other people, so I probably just haven't hit the really MAJOR ones yet. That and they seem to mostly be in other Factions (EP here).

That being said, people can't expect ZOS to implement a fix to a bug the second it crawls out of the woodwork. You see, first they have to replicate the bug, and then they have to find the line(s) of code causing it. Then they have to figure out how to edit that code in a way that quashes the bug but doesn't break a different part of the code earlier or further down the line. Just look at the thing where people were getting stuck in the Crafting UI upon trying to exit; that was caused, in part, by people harvesting nodes nearby. It's not just a matter of X causing Y to break, so take out Z. People might complain that "oh maintenance happened but <insert quest here> is still broken the devs didn't fix anything!1!!1!!" What people need to stop and realize is, most likely, the underlying cause of said bug just hasn't been discovered or, if it has, a fix that won't break something else hasn't been found.

I know a big issue is lack of communication between customers and CS, but the game is still new and ZOS is new to MMOs. So instead of expecting a reply within seconds of submitting your tickets (and subsequently clogging the queue by entering six more tickets in a day or so), do something else. Now people who have been waiting four or five or more days for a reply, yeah, go ahead and send another ticket in case the original one got lost in the tide. But people who have submitted a ticket and then turn around and demand blood when they get no reply the next day? Just calm down and keep in mind you're not the only person playing the game; there are likely hundreds of tickets in queue before yours. ZOS has a limited number of CS people compared to the millions of people playing.

Seen a few bugs (one quest that was fixed with the last patch or two, some issues fixed by reclogging, lots of cosmetic ones), loads of things that need polish, had a few crashes. Nothing too unusual in a new MMO. But then I am only level 20, so there may be horrors waiting in store.

Have had surprisingly few issues with the gameplay and lag. Occasional stutter (and it was horrible day one til I reset my router). This is despite being on a fairly old PC (Intel Core 2 6600, 6Gb Memory, Win 64k, O/S on SSD, game on old hard drive due to lack of space on the SSD, Radeon HD 5800, 4Mb Broadband (best available at my location), and playing with all graphics settings on max. Probably only having a smallish 1650x1080 screen resolution helps.

Main issues I've experienced have been with a certain lack of balance in character abilities. Having experimented with various weapon combos, ranged dps seems to significantly outperform other styles, especially in key story quests like defeating Balreth. I'm not entirely sure if this is encounter design or ability balance, probably both. I never have been a fan of dps race as a base of encounter design.

These may improve in time.

People, do you even quest?..
Seriously I agree with OP. Alone in Coldharbour, there's at least 2-3 quests that are bugged so far. Just did the Chasm quest, only to find out the next part is bugged as well.
In the previous zones, there's at least 2 bugged quests in every zone and I play in Ebonheart Pact faction.
But at least fix the main quests, so we can progress!

Arunei wrote: »

I know a big issue is lack of communication between customers and CS, but the game is still new and ZOS is new to MMOs. So instead of expecting a reply within seconds of submitting your tickets (and subsequently clogging the queue by entering six more tickets in a day or so), do something else. Now people who have been waiting four or five or more days for a reply, yeah, go ahead and send another ticket in case the original one got lost in the tide. But people who have submitted a ticket and then turn around and demand blood when they get no reply the next day? Just calm down and keep in mind you're not the only person playing the game; there are likely hundreds of tickets in queue before yours. ZOS has a limited number of CS people compared to the millions of people playing.

This is the problem. It's kind of like Titanic, where they placed a lot more people on the ship than there were life boats available to save their hides when disaster struck. ZOS cut a lot of corners where it matters most - Customer Support. Most people are rational and understand to expect a lot of bugs during a game's first several months. They can deal with that, I'm sure, if proper support was provided to let them know that the company isn't neglecting them.

It's not just about the bugs. What about the people that paid for their game but still can't play it? What about those that have been locked out or banned for no apparent reason, have contacted support, yet are ignored for days at a time? No excuse, ZOS. You've really dropped the ball where CS is concerned...

The amount of people crying over this game is astonishing.

smokorwb17_ESO wrote: »

What I want to ask, does anyone have any common sense anymore or any trouble shooting skills or are people just to lazy and just blame manufactures and developers?

Seriously society is becoming a joke, to many whiny brain dead morons that can't think for themselves.

If i offended anyone then you probably fit into the category above.

With that said I'm actually enjoying this game a lot, yes i have run into a few bugs but generally a log out or cancelling the quest and re-doing it fixes it. Lag? haven't experienced any at all and I'm like 10 miles away from the server. Graphically the game runs fine maxed out.

Everyone else have fun!

You hit the nail on the head with this post.
Computer technology has evolved (and is still evolving) to the point where people are used to buying something and having it work out of the box.

Gone are the days of configuring DIP Switches, and setting up memory addressing, and resolving IRQ conflicts (there's a few generation jumps there). Before running a system.

Troubleshooting these days involves downloading one of the many "tools" available on-line to help your pc "run faster", buying new hardware (when you don't require it yet), asking a friend/family member to "fix it", and/or returning the hardware to the place you purchased it.

Interestingly, in the quest for "ease of access" and "user friendliness", many things have become unnecessarily complex underneath.

This, combined with a general lack of knowledge, understanding, and inability (and/or lack of motivation) for troubleshooting (IE: Not wanting to read.) - has led to what we see here.

- I want to insert a bit here, to highlight what I'm talking about - by referencing some in-game quests that people talk about in Zone chat as being "bugged".

(This part is here to provide additional examples of a general unwillingness to learn, read, observe, and solve basic problems. Not directly associated with the current topic of this post.)

There is one quest, I do not recall the name - it's somewhere around level 8 if I recall, - where you are given a "staff" (quest item) that you must "charge" with "motes".
People were running all over the quest area, killing every mob relentlessly, and complaining that there were no motes to be found. They repeatedly claimed the quest was broken.

After listening to the NPC who gave me the quest, I interacted with the backback that she placed on the ground beside her, looted the costume, and re-read the quest text in my quest log.

I then snuck around avoiding the zombies (entering combat with the zombies would remove the costume, requiring you to obtain a new one) - stood in the fancy glowing circle, and killed a necromancer. - Three necromancers later, I had obtained enough motes to complete the quest.

There are plenty of quests currently in the game, that people swear and argue are broken and bugged - I admit, there are a couple that are (or were) - but many of them simply require basic reading comprehension to complete.

(School Daze, anyone? - there is an order to the orbs you know. Read the book, read the book and understand the book.)

Most people who read long posts like this on the forums would probably agree with me, because I strongly suspect - people who read posts like this also have no problem reading and understanding things in game.

I love how people brag about their super computer specs. I have a rig 5 years old with a dual core athlon II X2 processor and a really old GT 440, without overclock or worry about temperature I can run ESO on ultra, marvel at the shadows of the game and pvp on Cyrodiil with armies of 150 people invading the keeps.

My dinossaur can do the same thing as your ferrari can do to this game. That said, the problem is in your end.

I sport a 15mb connection from a dirty ISP located at Brazil and play with 0 lag anywhere in the game. The game is optimized enough, because I can run it at its best on my old buddy without have to sell a kidney.

I see people rushing on quests, and then complain they broken. If you follow the story you will notice the NPC do things outside the box, they run to others to introduce you or they have a talk among them, YOU HAVE TO WAIT. Rush through game scripts on Bethesda games always cause problems.

I never ran to a bug yet. And I played since early access. I'm a big fanboy, my bias is very justified and I'm using logical arguments. Want to bash the game, use right arguments.

My rig handles the game just fine... I did however notice a performance increase on my 770 when I installed the 337.50 (Beta) driver.

I've only had one bugged quest so far, where a hunter you're supposed to duel in the Gray Mire does not spawn. I reported it to support and went on my way.

I've heard the stories of majorly bugged quests that block story progression, but I wonder, some people claim a specific quest is bugged while others report having no problem with said quest.

I do believe then that the problem is not entirely with the game, and moreover, the fact that a game of this size comes with a few bugs should be of no surprise to anyone. WoW was bugged for me on release as well, however did not have such impact because the world was more 'static'.

People want the latest and best things in gaming and then complain when new features are not entirely optimized (or their systems are not optimized).

Gamers, I do keep getting amazed by them.

Well I think that there is some GRAND scheme here. They want to take our money for first 2-3 months by saying that they will fix it and when everyone realise that this is not going to happen and game will always be buggy as f**k, they will simply go to b2p system like gw2 with some cosmetic store or some ***.

wiz12268b14_ESO wrote: »

People saying there are no bugs arent questing. Or they got in and did them before they bugged out.

Seriously this has been going on Since last July (when I first got into the beta). But at that point there werent alot of quests available. But when they rolled them out in the August and Sept and on betas they were bugged the same then as they are now. All betas (except for a few of the last ones) they claimed to have fixed them, they were never fixed, restarting the server just let the few people who got to them first do them before they bugged out again. The common theory was that phasing was causing it. Plausible i suppose but in those early betas there werent more than a few hundred people around. But it did get worse as more people played.

It isnt the bugs per se it is the fact that almost a year later these things still are bugged. So if they couldnt fix them with weeks and months of downtime in the beta phase what makes people think now that the game is live, and is suffering other major issues these bugs will be fixed now?

When they take the servers down for maintenance is your best shot if you can get back on before anyone else does and hope you get to the bugged ones before they break again.


But really it isnt any surprise with Bethesda with no modders fixing their broken games this is what you get.

So did you do what a BETA tester is supposed to do and report the bug? I played beta and yes there were alot of annoying bugs hence whys its beta. Some bugs you could work around some you couldn't.

Again, that said I'm still to encounter a bug at the moment that I cannot solve myself.

I'm not saying there aren't bugs, but if you want to whinge and complain then just don't play. Then i don't have to read this crap in the forums and feel obliged to set the tone.

Nothing is perfect and nothing will be solved without actually trying to contribute.

the game is having more problems now then it did the 4 months i played it in beta... I had no trouble getting past cold harbour and getting to VR 10 there but now im stuck at VR1 until this quest is fixed which apparently didnt happen with maint this morning.