Dear dungeoneers

barney2525 · May 2019

For me its not intentional. I just don't pay that much attention to chat.

Megatto · May 2019

What if people don't want to say hello? Is that not okay? Like, who do you think you are? I don't know exactly why but this post really irritates me. It's like you're saying "Everyone has to say hi to me otherwise I'm offended". Just let people play the game, and respond if they feel like it, not because you say they have to.

Megatto · May 2019

WolfingHour wrote: »

When someone says "Hello" to you it's common courtesy to say "Hello" back, even if it is on the internet. Period.

Y'all are just bending over backwards to justify not following the most basic of tenants of living life in human society.

You are being rude. If you don't like it, though break, change the way you act.

Wtf? So you're here to tell people what do to? How exactly are people being rude by not saying hello back? Also, who are you to judge others?

SirAndy · May 2019

Megatto wrote: »

WolfingHour wrote: »

When someone says "Hello" to you it's common courtesy to say "Hello" back, even if it is on the internet. Period.
Y'all are just bending over backwards to justify not following the most basic of tenants of living life in human society.
You are being rude. If you don't like it, though break, change the way you act.

Wtf? So you're here to tell people what do to? How exactly are people being rude by not saying hello back? Also, who are you to judge others?

Everybody judges others. For example, you just judged the poster you quoted.

Who are you to judge them for judging you?

DarcyMardin · May 2019

I used to greet the group, but people don’t usually respond, so now I don’t bother unless someone else does. But I always say thanks at the end and wait around if someone is doing the quest.

Zacuel · May 2019

Lol

Megatto · May 2019

SirAndy wrote: »

Megatto wrote: »

WolfingHour wrote: »

When someone says "Hello" to you it's common courtesy to say "Hello" back, even if it is on the internet. Period.
Y'all are just bending over backwards to justify not following the most basic of tenants of living life in human society.
You are being rude. If you don't like it, though break, change the way you act.

Wtf? So you're here to tell people what do to? How exactly are people being rude by not saying hello back? Also, who are you to judge others?

Everybody judges others. For example, you just judged the poster you quoted.

Who are you to judge them for judging you?

Can't argue with that, bud.

Mr_Walker · May 2019

I'm always on mic, and always have hello slotted, so I at least do that, though I'm not a big talker. Too many folk in this game seem to think being in a hurry is free licence to be a jerk. If you're time's that valuable you shouldn't be playing games with it.

Lauranae · May 2019

VaranisArano wrote: »

When running normals, I go for:
"Hi, anyone need the quest?"

The way I'm not charging off to tank the next mob while a party member is trying to chat with a quest NPC or I know to wait at the end for them to turn in the quest before disbanding.

Wish i would be in your team, i had to do 3 times the same instance to complete it ...... COH 1

One team member go alone kill a boss while you have not drop in the instance yet ... you take the quest .... you complete one part ....

Then the second time, the instance go fine, but everyone disband before i could even say please wait .... and dont ask me why i did not ask before, i had to be on the run and participate, no time to chat at all LOL

FInally 3rd time was the good one, Thanks to the pledge and the team who without knowing it allowed me to finish.

I understand that a lot of people already did that a lot of times, but sometimes a little consideration for those who need the quest and the skill point would be really appreciated

Facefister · May 2019

Colecovision wrote: »

Waynerx8 wrote: »

Facefister wrote: »

I don't even fart at your direction if you're below CP1000.

And what the fu?k does cp1000 mean ? nothing, lower cp's out dps sad little kids like you, I hope your a kid, if not do some growing up, bet you even giggle when you fart too, tw?t.

I don't get it. He specifically said he wouldn't fart on you and you're mad.

Why are you suprised? His simple, below-CP1000 mind can't grasp our divinity. One day he will learn his place, until then he will continue to rage in an uncontrollable manner.

Shievarei · May 2019

Imagine getting frustrated over strangers not saying "Hi" back to you and judging their personality.

SidraWillowsky · May 2019

Megatto wrote: »

What if people don't want to say hello? Is that not okay? Like, who do you think you are? I don't know exactly why but this post really irritates me. It's like you're saying "Everyone has to say hi to me otherwise I'm offended". Just let people play the game, and respond if they feel like it, not because you say they have to.

Good God, people are acting like OP suggested you beat up a kitten or something...

Ysbriel · May 2019

DLM wrote: »

When you queue for a dungeon and end up with 3 other persons, as much at it may be surprising they are not bots. When someone says "hi", "hey" or whatever, the least of courtesy is greeting back.

Tough crowd?

IzzyStardust · May 2019

Kikke wrote: »

CPs dont mean ***. Meet players on 300CP that outDPS and know more mechanics than capped players.

Tho, I dont do PUGS! As PUGs are a cesspit of toxic scrubs demanding carries and free loot.

FierceSam · May 2019

Hey all,

I like to say “Hi” at the start of a PUG, or “welcome”, if I’m with buddies and we’ve been joined by a new player (and thanks to the many tanks, healers and dds who’ve helped us out). I like to think that I’m aware if someone is doing the quest and won’t just rage quit the dungeon the second the boss is dead. But then again I like to say “Hi” to people I meet in real life, because they’re, like, people. And being friendly and polite makes a difference.

As a result I have actually met some cool people I might otherwise not have (both in game and in real life).

I don’t get too het up if you blank me or go all anti-social or rush off to do your own little personal mission. I don’t take it personally (although I am much more disappointed by the whole running off like a git and not doing the dungeon with the rest of your group). That’s on you and you have to live with it.

And I’m not a ***.

Minyassa · May 2019

The same people who are the quickest to tell people "don't play an MMO if you want solo content" or "don't play an MMO if you don't want PvP" are the people who can't be arsed to say hello in a dungeon finder pug, and the ones making up umpteen excuses for why they can't/don't feel obligated/think it's an imposition/think it's normal to ignore that there's a player behind the other toons you're using to advance your game.

It boils down to this: they're rude people and they don't care. And there's nothing anyone can do about that, it's just the way the world is now. Eventually MMOs will be so numerous that everyone will find one that supports a playstyle as social or antisocial as they like it to be, but for now we are stuck with them. Just keep on being a normal person and be glad you don't have to be around the rude ones in real life.

FierceSam · May 2019

Vuylstekeara wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Vuylstekeara wrote: »

I usually don't greet in PuGs either. Don't take it personal, it's nothing against you, I just find it unnecessary. What's polite about that if nobody really needs it or cares that much anyway? Get in, do your job, get out, everyone is happy, or could be at least, greeted or not.

There are people on the other side of the Internet. People you're relying on to get your quick run. You say "hi" or "excuse me" or "please" in real life as well, right? Then again, maybe you don't.

For the record: I hate this running. If you want to do the quest, look for chests or whatever, sure, go ahead. I also answer questions or generally react when talked to, but I don't see why I'm am required to type two stupid letters at the start and end just to be "polite". For example you can say "hi" and then start running, pull mobs together and let the rest of your group deal with them while you dash ahead. That's impolite in my books, but has nothing to do with greeting or not. You can still act inconsiderate while adhering to formalities like hello and thank you.

Hey Vuylstekeara,

No one is requiring you to be polite. Politeness is something you demand of yourself. Like honour, it’s all about you and who you are and how you choose to project yourself. That’s why it’s hard and that’s why it matters.

It begins with a “Hi”, but you’re right it doesn’t end there.

At least the greeting is a start.

Enjoy the game

LadySinflower · May 2019

To be quite honest, when is there time to type a greeting? Any PUG I've ever been in, everyone immediately starts running and its all I can do to catch up. I don't have time to mess with text chat! If I tried to type a greeting the others would be halfway done before I got out "hello!"

D0PAMINE · May 2019

I say my usual "Ahoy!". Then we melt the area.

D0PAMINE · May 2019

SirAndy wrote: »

Megatto wrote: »

WolfingHour wrote: »

When someone says "Hello" to you it's common courtesy to say "Hello" back, even if it is on the internet. Period.
Y'all are just bending over backwards to justify not following the most basic of tenants of living life in human society.
You are being rude. If you don't like it, though break, change the way you act.

Wtf? So you're here to tell people what do to? How exactly are people being rude by not saying hello back? Also, who are you to judge others?

Everybody judges others. For example, you just judged the poster you quoted.

Who are you to judge them for judging you?

Judgement Day has arrived!

p00tx · May 2019

Waynerx8 wrote: »

Facefister wrote: »

I don't even fart at your direction if you're below CP1000.

And what the fu?k does cp1000 mean ? nothing, lower cp's out dps sad little kids like you, I hope your a kid, if not do some growing up, bet you even giggle when you fart too, tw?t.

What kind of person DOESN'T giggle at farts? I don't think I'd want to be friends with someone who can't find humor in something so awesomely silly.

Sheezabeast · May 2019

LadySinflower wrote: »

To be quite honest, when is there time to type a greeting? Any PUG I've ever been in, everyone immediately starts running and its all I can do to catch up. I don't have time to mess with text chat! If I tried to type a greeting the others would be halfway done before I got out "hello!"

Typing “hi” takes two key strokes and a third to hit enter. Let’s not pretend you don’t text on your phone at a much faster rate.

D0PAMINE · May 2019

peacenote wrote: »

I always say hello in dungeon PUGs. I used to do it out of sheer instinct (why not say hello) but I like to greet the group for a variety of reasons:
If people are shy or nervous or just new, hopefully they will feel I am approachable

If people answer, it is an indication to me of if they are watching chat, which is always helpful to know at the beginning

I actually do not type fast while playing (I use an Orbweaver to help minimize cubital tunnel syndrome; it helps a lot but it means moving my hands back to keyboard to respond), so I also like to say hello in chat so people know I am watching and can communicate, since my responses may be a little delayed mid-fight.

Related to this, people often drop too fast at the end for me to say "thank you for group." So I want to at least make sure I get a hello in there!

It doesn't offend me if people don't return a greeting in chat, because they may not be watching, but I do think it sets a friendlier tone when people say hello. And I tend to be a better player and more engaged if people seem friendly. There was another thread around here about "what would help people tank more" and I know that when I imagine a friendly PUG that says "hi there" I am much more willing to try and tank new content and help people out than I am when I think of a PUG where it feels like the group is silently judging me. LOL Any PUG might be someone's first experience in a dungeon or in a particular role so saying hello is my small way of making sure I don't scare someone off from trying something ever again.

My friend and I often queue together and will say hello to each other in a dungeon PUG, even if no one else answers. This always makes me chuckle.

My friend threw pies at me while I was tanking a Vet dungeon lol.

Neoealth · May 2019

LadySinflower wrote: »

To be quite honest, when is there time to type a greeting? Any PUG I've ever been in, everyone immediately starts running and its all I can do to catch up. I don't have time to mess with text chat! If I tried to type a greeting the others would be halfway done before I got out "hello!"

You must be a very slow typer!

WolfingHour · May 2019

Neoealth wrote: »

LadySinflower wrote: »

To be quite honest, when is there time to type a greeting? Any PUG I've ever been in, everyone immediately starts running and its all I can do to catch up. I don't have time to mess with text chat! If I tried to type a greeting the others would be halfway done before I got out "hello!"

You must be a very slow typer!

Do you know how many GCD timers it is to press return, then H and I, and finally return again?

/Sarcasm

WolfingHour · May 2019

Megatto wrote: »

WolfingHour wrote: »

When someone says "Hello" to you it's common courtesy to say "Hello" back, even if it is on the internet. Period.

Y'all are just bending over backwards to justify not following the most basic of tenants of living life in human society.

You are being rude. If you don't like it, though break, change the way you act.

Wtf? So you're here to tell people what do to? How exactly are people being rude by not saying hello back? Also, who are you to judge others?

Do you usually completely disregard people that greet you in the street? Like literally turn your face and carry on with your life? If you go for a coffee, do you not greet the person behind the counter?

If you answer yes to any of this then I don't know what to tell except that you are being rude and inconsiderate. To be clear, I don't WANT you to do anything, but I do EXPECT you to answer. If you don't then I WILL judge, not at face value but rather from information you provided.

Kuramas9tails · May 2019

DLM wrote: »

When you queue for a dungeon and end up with 3 other persons, as much at it may be surprising they are not bots. When someone says "hi", "hey" or whatever, the least of courtesy is greeting back.

Don't have time for greetings.

GOTTA GO FAST!

anitajoneb17_ESO · May 2019

WolfingHour wrote: »

Do you usually completely disregard people that greet you in the street? Like literally turn your face and carry on with your life? If you go for a coffee, do you not greet the person behind the counter?
If you answer yes to any of this then I don't know what to tell except that you are being rude and inconsiderate. To be clear, I don't WANT you to do anything, but I do EXPECT you to answer. If you don't then I WILL judge, not at face value but rather from information you provided.

Well, it depends.
I used to live in a big city and now I live in a small village. In big cities, you don't say "hello" to people you don't already know. People in the streets will be scared if you do. They'll think you'll ask something, tell them your life, try to go to bed with you, or distract you while pickpocketing you. Stuff like that. You just don't say hello to strangers in big cities.
In a small village, you do. Everyone does. It sounds nice the first couple of days, but it gets old very quickly. It's something everyone does, but not out of courtesy or attention or politeness, but just out of habit, without really noticing they do it.
Same goes for people behind counters : they hear it all day, they don't care. An overall polite and respectful tone and attitude expresses more than a standard, anonymous greeting.

On the internet, I usually refrain from saying "hello" or "goodbye". Remember those IRC groups where nobody was saying anything and the chat box was just a succession of "hello" and "bye" or "brb" or "afk" over hundreds of lines ? That's just plain ridiculous, and ESO guild chat looks like that more often than not. I simply refrain from saying hi/thx/bb for that reason.
In a PUG, I'll avoid that too, but I will try to say something less generic and more personal, like if the run was fun or particularly efficient or nice for whatever reason. But not just simply hi/bb, which is imho worse than not saying anything at all.
I will answer if someone says hi, but there again, I'll try to add something.

TL-DR : greeting or not greeting in a PUG chat can mean anything, everything and nothing, depending on the person, and it is in no way a criteria to judge someone's level of courtesy. OP is in my opinion very narrow-minded.

Saucy_Jack · May 2019

Whenever I start one I like to yell

FIDDLYFADDLYBIDDLYBADDILYDIDDLYDOODILYHIDDLYHOODILY

and then if anyone gets the reference I immediately add them as friends.

haelene · May 2019

Yeah, most of the time I have my chats set to my guild chats so I don't even notice if someone says hi. It's not an intentional thing, it just happens that way. I think people are taking greetings (or a lack thereof) a little too seriously.