Experiencing cheat engine for the 1st time
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Ertosi✭✭✭✭✭
✭BloodMagicLord wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »I know macro is very common, met less than a dozen scripters (auto break free, auto dodge) in the last 2 year.
But today i encountered a guy cheating so blatantly I've never seen b4, guy just curse and frag is always ready after every curse.
This has to be a result of modify game files. On top of perfect weave, instant break free ofc.
Zos deal with these cheaters, actually ban them, also the no name and shame policy is stupid AF.
It is protecting the criminals.
I used to duel a lot on magicka nightblade, and I was accused of cheating or using macros very often because I nailed the weaving, rotation and was fast at reacting to my opponents.
I have never done either of these things however. People are often very quick to shout "cheat" when they lose and get salty. Nothing that you've said here indicates cheating necessarily and honestly the way its worded reminds me of a salty pvp rant.
It's a trait common to that type of player. When they aren't good enough to win, they fall back to insults in an attempt to spoil the win for the other person.PC NA @Ertosi♠♦ My Team ♥♣
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✭✭✭✭✭TheTwistedRune wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »I know macro is very common, met less than a dozen scripters (auto break free, auto dodge) in the last 2 year.
But today i encountered a guy cheating so blatantly I've never seen b4, guy just curse and frag is always ready after every curse.
This has to be a result of modify game files. On top of perfect weave, instant break free ofc.
Zos deal with these cheaters, actually ban them, also the no name and shame policy is stupid AF.
It is protecting the criminals.
This policy is there to protect the identity of those who are falsely accused, not defend those who are guilty.
Unfortunately, this policy is needed, as there have been a few incidents where people tried to smear other community members with falsified accusations.6 -
ruff✭✭sometimes I'm getting frags to proc after each ability. Sometimes i discharge my pool with no frags proc'd. rng is so random.5 -
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✭✭Judging by the poster's name I don't think this post should be taken all too seriously. ^^Edited by Ectheliontnacil on April 29, 2019 9:00PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »Judging by the poster's name I don't think this post should be take all too seriously. ^^
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✭✭✭✭✭@Thogard where is he to explain CE for the millionth time?
I actually don’t know if frag proc is client side or server side. This could very well be a variable that is manipulatable via a memory hack like cheat engine.
It probably isn’t. But I don’t know how cheat engine interacts with this so I’ll sit this one out lolEdited by Thogard on April 30, 2019 3:08AMPC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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✭LeagueTroll wrote: »I have never seen anyone this blatant, 5 frag in 12 second is cheat.
The chance to get five procced Frags in a row *once* is about 1/200. That's not unlikely to happen within a few hours of combat.
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✭✭✭✭Macro (script) can give you perfect rotation, it does not work in PvP outside of stuff like bombing as you are locked into the macro.
Now using it for LA weave don't have many downsides except then you need to block cast.
LA cancel weave macro is pretty common for PvE on pc, if some do an LA out to nowhere then doing an self buff while tank goes in.
That is an LA cancel animation in work.
You can set up multiple short macros with different fuctions for different buttons on your KB/Mouse.
Perfect rotation, auto-light attack on every skill use, skill sequence, burst sequence, etc etc.
And multiples can run at the same time. This is not ye olde simple wow macro nonsense. It can be very complex stuff.1 -
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@BergzornLeagueTroll wrote: »I have never seen anyone this blatant, 5 frag in 12 second is cheat.
The chance to get five procced Frags in a row *once* is about 1/200. That's not unlikely to happen within a few hours of combat.
What? No!
The chance of getting five procced frags in a row is (1/5)^5=1/3125.
The procc chance is 20% right? I mean maybe I made a mistake but no idea where you got that 1/200 from. Looking at it this way doesn't really make much sense anyways.Edited by Ectheliontnacil on April 29, 2019 9:08PM0 -
Blinkin8r✭✭✭✭✭Lol at assuming cheat engine for crystal frag procs.II Blinkin II
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LeagueTroll✭✭✭✭✭BloodMagicLord wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »I know macro is very common, met less than a dozen scripters (auto break free, auto dodge) in the last 2 year.
But today i encountered a guy cheating so blatantly I've never seen b4, guy just curse and frag is always ready after every curse.
This has to be a result of modify game files. On top of perfect weave, instant break free ofc.
Zos deal with these cheaters, actually ban them, also the no name and shame policy is stupid AF.
It is protecting the criminals.
I used to duel a lot on magicka nightblade, and I was accused of cheating or using macros very often because I nailed the weaving, rotation and was fast at reacting to my opponents.
I have never done either of these things however. People are often very quick to shout "cheat" when they lose and get salty. Nothing that you've said here indicates cheating necessarily and honestly the way its worded reminds me of a salty pvp rant.
It's a trait common to that type of player. When they aren't good enough to win, they fall back to insults in an attempt to spoil the win for the other person.
This is extremely wrong, the ones i am convinced are cheating is a very small fraction of the ppl i lost to.1 -
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✭LeagueTroll wrote: »I know macro is very common, met less than a dozen scripters (auto break free, auto dodge) in the last 2 year.
But today i encountered a guy cheating so blatantly I've never seen b4, guy just curse and frag is always ready after every curse.
This has to be a result of modify game files. On top of perfect weave, instant break free ofc.
Zos deal with these cheaters, actually ban them, also the no name and shame policy is stupid AF.
It is protecting the criminals.
Video or did not happen. Or at least a death recap, so you can erase the name of the person accused of cheating.
I never saw anyone doing frags every 1-2 seconds in bg. Just premades running amok against group of scrubs who wanna 1 up each other while being farmed by premades.
I am always in the loosing team and only aspire for 2nd place, I never saw anything you describe getting owned by premades.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LeagueTroll wrote: »I have never seen anyone this blatant, 5 frag in 12 second is cheat.
The chance to get five procced Frags in a row *once* is about 1/200. That's not unlikely to happen within a few hours of combat.
Not how that works...2 -
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✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »
@BergzornLeagueTroll wrote: »I have never seen anyone this blatant, 5 frag in 12 second is cheat.
The chance to get five procced Frags in a row *once* is about 1/200. That's not unlikely to happen within a few hours of combat.
What? No!
The chance of getting five procced frags in a row is (1/5)^5=1/3125.
The procc chance is 20% right? I mean maybe I made a mistake but no idea where you got that 1/200 from. Looking at it this way doesn't really make much sense anyways.
The chance is 35%. 20% is the extra damage.starkerealm wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »I have never seen anyone this blatant, 5 frag in 12 second is cheat.
The chance to get five procced Frags in a row *once* is about 1/200. That's not unlikely to happen within a few hours of combat.
Not how that works...
That's exactly how it works. A chance of 1:200, or 0.5%, to get a Frag proc from using a magica skill five times in a row, given you fire the frag every time of course. Btw, the chance to get no proc five times in a row is 11%.
I stopped using that skill when it lost its stun, but I well remember such streaks of good and bad luck happening.
On top of that, ZOS' (pseudo-)RNG seems to somehow cluster events. I see this a lot when refining materials or opening loot boxes in quick succession. As an extreme example, I got five gold pieces of Marksman's jewellery from one campaign end reward a few years ago.
Edited by Bergzorn on April 30, 2019 4:44AMno CP PvP PC/EU
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✭✭✭✭✭LeagueTroll wrote: »BloodMagicLord wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »I know macro is very common, met less than a dozen scripters (auto break free, auto dodge) in the last 2 year.
But today i encountered a guy cheating so blatantly I've never seen b4, guy just curse and frag is always ready after every curse.
This has to be a result of modify game files. On top of perfect weave, instant break free ofc.
Zos deal with these cheaters, actually ban them, also the no name and shame policy is stupid AF.
It is protecting the criminals.
I used to duel a lot on magicka nightblade, and I was accused of cheating or using macros very often because I nailed the weaving, rotation and was fast at reacting to my opponents.
I have never done either of these things however. People are often very quick to shout "cheat" when they lose and get salty. Nothing that you've said here indicates cheating necessarily and honestly the way its worded reminds me of a salty pvp rant.
It's a trait common to that type of player. When they aren't good enough to win, they fall back to insults in an attempt to spoil the win for the other person.
This is extremely wrong, the ones i am convinced are cheating is a very small fraction of the ppl i lost to.
Not arguing if there was cheating or not but you have been around long enough to know how to report this and that arguing about it in the forums is both pointless and meaningless.
Considering you play on PC, and I assume exclusively on PC, you can setup to grab the last X minutes of gameplay and provide that to Zos when you report them for cheating behavior.
I have been able to record via my Nvidia software for years now. I see something happen that I want to grab I press the key bind and save the last 5 minutes. Easy peasy and reporting this to Zos goes much further than the discussion here.2 -
Cyhawk✭✭✭LeagueTroll wrote: »I know macro is very common, met less than a dozen scripters (auto break free, auto dodge) in the last 2 year.
But today i encountered a guy cheating so blatantly I've never seen b4, guy just curse and frag is always ready after every curse.
This has to be a result of modify game files. On top of perfect weave, instant break free ofc.
Zos deal with these cheaters, actually ban them, also the no name and shame policy is stupid AF.
It is protecting the criminals.
* Perfect weave - Practice. Its not rocket science.
* Frag is always ready - It has a high uptime, try playing the class sometime. Except for that one freaking time you need it.
* Auto break-free - You can bind it to a button. . .
* Auto Dodge - You can bind it to a button as well. . .
Course the username. . .6 -
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✭LeagueTroll wrote: »I know macro is very common, met less than a dozen scripters (auto break free, auto dodge) in the last 2 year.
But today i encountered a guy cheating so blatantly I've never seen b4, guy just curse and frag is always ready after every curse.
This has to be a result of modify game files. On top of perfect weave, instant break free ofc.
Zos deal with these cheaters, actually ban them, also the no name and shame policy is stupid AF.
It is protecting the criminals.
I play BGs in my Sorc and sometimes i get up to 7 crystal fragments in a row, sometime not a single one in like 30 secs.
And by the way... Criminals?
You need a bit of real world asap.7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »I have never seen anyone this blatant, 5 frag in 12 second is cheat.
The chance to get five procced Frags in a row *once* is about 1/200. That's not unlikely to happen within a few hours of combat.
Not how that works...
That's exactly how it works. A chance of 1:200, or 0.5%, to get a Frag proc from using a magica skill five times in a row, given you fire the frag every time of course. Btw, the chance to get no proc five times in a row is 11%.
I stopped using that skill when it lost its stun, but I well remember such streaks of good and bad luck happening.
On top of that, ZOS' (pseudo-)RNG seems to somehow cluster events. I see this a lot when refining materials or opening loot boxes in quick succession. As an extreme example, I got five gold pieces of Marksman's jewellery from one campaign end reward a few years ago.
Yeah, that's the issue: Something about how the Random Number Generator works is streaky as hell. If the system was random, you could just keep multiplying the odds together and that would be how to estimate the probability, but that doesn't seem to be what actually happens.
Now, granted, this could be some massive case of collective confirmation bias; we all "know" the RNG is streaky, so when it behaves weirdly, we remember that over when it behaves itself.0 -
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✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »I have never seen anyone this blatant, 5 frag in 12 second is cheat.
The chance to get five procced Frags in a row *once* is about 1/200. That's not unlikely to happen within a few hours of combat.
Not how that works...
That's exactly how it works. A chance of 1:200, or 0.5%, to get a Frag proc from using a magica skill five times in a row, given you fire the frag every time of course. Btw, the chance to get no proc five times in a row is 11%.
I stopped using that skill when it lost its stun, but I well remember such streaks of good and bad luck happening.
On top of that, ZOS' (pseudo-)RNG seems to somehow cluster events. I see this a lot when refining materials or opening loot boxes in quick succession. As an extreme example, I got five gold pieces of Marksman's jewellery from one campaign end reward a few years ago.
Yeah, that's the issue: Something about how the Random Number Generator works is streaky as hell.
It often feels as if the RNG call has a cooldown and if you manage to make a second call in this time window, it just returns the same draw again. From the hundreds of RotW Geodes I opened, I never got the max amount of 25 crystals. Until last week, where I got 25 twice in a row. Well, not really, since the larger part of the second bunch was eaten by the inventory limit.
If there is such a RNG cooldown, it's probably once again latency screwing things up.
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LeagueTroll wrote: »I know macro is very common, met less than a dozen scripters (auto break free, auto dodge) in the last 2 year.
But today i encountered a guy cheating so blatantly I've never seen b4, guy just curse and frag is always ready after every curse.
This has to be a result of modify game files. On top of perfect weave, instant break free ofc.
Zos deal with these cheaters, actually ban them, also the no name and shame policy is stupid AF.
It is protecting the criminals.
So I'm going to give my thoughts on this. I have had the privilege of playing on AD faction and EP faction in PvP. The story is always the same, one side blames the other for scripting or using leet haxors.
You CAN provide evidence of these people "cheating" but you just need to blur their names out and not make it visible. Easy.
ZoS HAS dealt with cheaters in the past and they have done it very nicely, apart once incident which I will not name but if you are on PC EU you'll know if you've played a while but the person has not cheated since.
It is very easy to call out scripting or hacking in this game as everything is down to RNG. I have been playing this game on and off since it was first released. If I got hit by 7 Frags in a row, I wouldn't call out cheating. If a NB hit me multiple times with the same skill while weaving super fast I wouldn't call out cheating. If there is a player who has high Regen and doesn't die, I wouldn't call out cheating (which has happened recently on the fourms and was quickly shut down with the build he was using)
This game has RNG everywhere you go and everything you do. Don't be so quick to call people out for hacking, scripting, using the dark arts to get the advantage. A lot of players have poured a lot of time into getting their class how they want to finessing their skill.
I am NOT saying that cheating does not exist but I don't think a person would risk their account to just use frags 7 times in a row, I just don't.
I think a lot of the calling out of cheaters are just people who are very tired of the game or the session they have been playing and it's not going to well, they get killed by something that at the time seems strange but it isn't then they get hurt and salty.
TL;DR
You can provide evidence just hide name.
ZoS deals with cheating. (Sometimes)
RNG game. Everything can happen.
Calm yourself down and think about the situation.
Don't be a lil *** and call it out right away. Ask to fight again and record it.0 -
Bogdan_Kobzar✭✭✭A while back, a streamer (name withheld) was streaming and the game crashed, revealing a program that was running, and that program was cheat engine.....(names withheld)
A while back, several streamers were demonstrating macro slicing (names withheld).Edited by Bogdan_Kobzar on May 2, 2019 10:31AM"Being honorable might make you a good man, but it doesn't make you right. Be a better world if it did."
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✭I wont share videos, but you can just tipe " any class pvp guide" in youtube.
If you watch carefull you will see one small detail. In most of the videos.
The potion click. Its a perfect timing/ Sometimes even happens / the potion click/ when the player manualy click/ use another skills. This is nothing to do with player skill cap.
I`m sure there is a program which allows you to set the intervals of skill usage.
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✭Valkysas154 wrote: »Maybe i am wrong but cheat engine normal don't work with mmorpgs
most of them keep all that stuff server side
Wrong
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Zhoyzu✭✭✭✭✭I think everyone is missing the big picture here. Look at OPs name. idk about y'all but that says enough.Zhoyzu - Nightblade Alchemist (v15) RETIRED
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kerthas✭✭✭LeagueTroll wrote: »
i did not state clear enough, it is not up every rotation, it is up every other skills, curse is followed by frag, fire clench is followed by frag.
It has a name,
knowing
how
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and some luck on the frag proc.Edited by kerthas on April 30, 2019 9:17AM1 -
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That is your problem if stated in TOS. Note that multiplayer shooters is some magnitudes more *** than MMO regarding this.JamieAubrey wrote: »The website is easy to find for cheatengine. Also it would be possible to scan each clients computor for the presence of cheatengine, several gamesites already do just that.
Zenimax is likely not interested in doing any of that for reasons only they know.
So what I I then download CE for other purposes, I.E Adding Money in Football Manager without the editor, So I risk getting banned from ESO even though I'm using the program in a different game
Much more fast paces and lots is done client side. You still have semi pro CS players geting banned in tournaments because of cheating but that tend to be client only stuff like wall hacks.
I had ( and still have ) CE installed on my pc, i don't remember exactly why but i believe it was for No Man Sky, i liked the game but it was a littke too grindy for my taste.
Now is not against TOS to have a program but using it is another story.
Never had problems with eso, simply because i never used said program.Signature0
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