There was few class changes outside of Necro and that was very surprising, at least to me.

I think the balance thing every two weeks was a wrobel thing, but I'm not sure anymore. When you look at the previous few patches the pattern changed a bit.

On the topic: I dont really know what to tell you

Masel wrote: »

On the topic: I dont really know what to tell you

Is that because of some NDA class reps are supposed to sign, or are you honestly in the dark?

Tasear wrote: »

Does seem like Nightblades are being favored. They now have lots of utility and each class role gets identity. This is a lot better balance then when they touched Sorcs.

It really seems that way, doesn't it?

They have already stated that Necro is the main focus. Most changes besides Necro are just changes to develop a ruleset for the game (which has been a mess up until this point). NB received a little more attention than others because it's always been a class with many packed abilities that no longer fit the new rules. In the case of Grim Focus, they stripped too much and Drain Power should never have been dodgeable.

I think calling this the "active skills balance patch" gives off the wrong impression. Again, this is mainly about Necro and the new ruleset. In the last stream, they mentioned after developing Necro they see that we want more clear stam/magicka identity with the original classes. When they get the time they will revisit and make changes, but they also implied that there aren't a lot of them to just make massive changes to everything at once. The new lead seems to be taking this more seriously (some changes show that he's reading the forums), so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Masel wrote: »

On the topic: I dont really know what to tell you

The sad part is I know you guys try but zos doesn't listen, best we can do is hope.

Its bad for them, lately i have only login to get my tickets and then switch game, is that what they wanted?

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

If this is the pass on active abilities and we miss this, we may end up stale for more months to come, I understand you guys are focusing necro because its new and all, but please, it's easier to keep old customers than to get new ones, throw the old classes a bone for once!

Yep.. disappointment after disappointment and little to no changes to stam sorc's has mad me feel burned out. The class rep notes gave me a lot of hope, but after a year and 2 chapter releases nothing has REALLY changed in regards to our pain points. In reality we have lost class identity over time most likely to balance mag sorc because they seem to be the only spec that matters.

Combat direction looks great. They seem to finally be getting a grasp on how they want the game to look and feel, but it's a little too late for me. I don't feel like waiting another year for the next chapter release to finally see some note worthy changes.

Waiting about 3 months at a time for promises like "U22 were auditing class skills" and "U23 were focussing weapon lines and passives" has become tiring to say the least. That's a HUGE amount of time compiling up for the past 4+ years. Stam sorc's have had the same pain points forever.

at least half the classes and more than half the specs in the game have been sitting waiting patiently for well over a year to years... patience is drawing thin, this is quite the weak week 3 patch

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

History says PTS patches usually have their first and third as their major changes notes (with a few exceptions having surprises on the last one), so can we expect anything regarding the pain points that the reps have told us that have been acknowledged by the devs like several times (see at https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5995967/#Comment_5995967) or should we just accept this and move on?

The balance update, referred as U22, is trying to balance class active abilities, not class identity. That means they try to normalize the abilities, so there won't be any ability with too many effects, and similar abilities will have similar cost and similar damage etc. That's why they focus on nightblades so much, because they were extremely overtuned in this aspect.

However, on Friday's online stream, regarding stamSorc identity, they explicitly said they won't be changing the original 4 classes. That means the whole list of pain points is irrelevant and the process of collecting feedback during the last year was a waste of time. There is no point to discuss the list anymore or wait for any changes. It will not happen.

troomar wrote: »

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

History says PTS patches usually have their first and third as their major changes notes (with a few exceptions having surprises on the last one), so can we expect anything regarding the pain points that the reps have told us that have been acknowledged by the devs like several times (see at https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5995967/#Comment_5995967) or should we just accept this and move on?

The balance update, referred as U22, is trying to balance class active abilities, not class identity. That means they try to normalize the abilities, so there won't be any ability with too many effects, and similar abilities will have similar cost and similar damage etc. That's why they focus on nightblades so much, because they were extremely overtuned in this aspect.

However, on Friday's online stream, regarding stamSorc identity, they explicitly said they won't be changing the original 4 classes. That means the whole list of pain points is irrelevant and the process of collecting feedback during the last year was a waste of time. There is no point to discuss the list anymore or wait for any changes. It will not happen.

I feel bad for the class reps, it seems like zos is just using them as a decoy to distract us while they work on whatever they want

Firstly. I am a Mag Sorc main, have been for 5 years. So, you complain that all we got is attro fix?

5.0.0 PTS Changes:

Sorcerer
Dark Magic
Crystal Shard: Reduced the cost of this ability and its morphs by approximately 15% to put it in line with our other cast time abilities.
Dark Exchange: Fixed an issue where this ability and the Dark Conversion morphs would fail to return resources or heal if they were cast while silenced.

Encase: Reduced the duration of the Immobilize from this ability and its morphs to 4 seconds from 4.5 seconds.
Shattering Prison (morph): Increased the damage of the explosion by approximately 82% to put in on par with other AoE instant hit abilities, such as Cleave or Impulse.

Negate Magic: Fixed an issue where this ability would fail to continue suppressing Area of Effect abilities inside of the area.
Updated the tooltip to better describe the function of this Ultimate.

Daedric Summoning
Daedric Curse: Fixed an issue where the AoE detonation of this ability and its morphs could be blocked. Note this refers only to the AoE portion of the ability, as the original target couldn't block the damage.

Daedric Prey (morph): Reworked the ability rank up of this ability.
Instead of gaining 1.1% damage on the explosion per rank, this ability becomes cheaper as it ranks up. The final cost is now 2160 at base, down from 2430, but will deal 3.3% less damage overall.
Added a pet taunt functionality to this ability that is similar to the one built into Heavy Attacks. Your active pets will now prioritize targets with Daedric Prey on them.
Reduced the damage bonus for pets from this ability to 40% from 55%.
Fixed an issue where the Summon Unstable Familiar's damage pulse was not being affected by this ability. Note that the morphed version, Volatile Familiar, was already working properly.

Hardened Ward: Fixed an issue where this ability was getting a 40% bonus to strength, rather than a 20% bonus. Please note that the previous bonus could not circumvent the health cap of 50%, so if you were already over that bonus, you will see no change to power.

Storm Calling
Bolt Escape: Fixed an issue where this ability and its morphs could stun targets behind walls.
Streak (morph): This ability will now scale with your highest offensive stats, and increased the stun duration to 3 seconds from 1.8 seconds.

Lightning Form
Boundless Storm (morph): This morph now grants the 4 seconds of Major Expedition immediately, rather than starting at 2.5 seconds and ranking up as the ability progresses. This ability's damage will now get 1.1% stronger per rank, ending in a 3.3% damage increase at Rank IV.

Lightning Splash: Increased the duration of this ability and its morphs to 8 seconds from 6 seconds.

Liquid Lightning (morph): This morph now lasts 12 seconds to retain the extra 4 seconds of duration increase.

Lighting Flood (morph): Increased the damage of this morph by 5%.

Mages' Wrath:
Increased the damage of the Area of Effect damage of this ability and its morphs by 20% to put it on par with our other executes.
Fixed an issue where this ability's detonation was able to be dodged, despite the initial hit also being able to be dodged. Now if the initial hit lands on the target, they will not be able to dodge the detonation.
Endless Fury (morph): This ability now returns Magicka if the target died within 5 seconds of taking damage, rather than only if this ability gained the killing blow. Also increased the amount of Magicka return by approximately 10%.
Overload: This ability and its morphs will now properly scale with Staff Expert in the Champion Point system. Also updated the tooltip for this ability and its morphs to better describe functionality.
Power Overload (morph): Increased the damage dealt of Light and Heavy Attack override by 10% to improve the morph distinction.

5.0.2 PTS change:

Sorcerer
Dark Magic
Crystal Shard: Reduced the minimum travel time on this ability and its morphs to 250ms from 450ms.

5.0.3 PTS Change:

Sorcerer
Storm Calling
Summon Storm Atronach: Fixed an issue where this ability and its morphs would not stun and deal damage to targets in the area where you cast the ability.


How about, less whining and more productive posting eh?

@Kikke did you read the post i linked? Guess not.

Most of things they addressed until now are absolutely fluff that in no way reflects what the classes need or what players feel fun to use.

Also, I was specifically talking about the last patch notes. I am too a sorc main since launch, and hell I know how crap of a sustain we have, I have a nb alt and its just cruel to compare them

Tasear wrote: »

I am geniually worried as you see spoken on from eso live Gill or wheeler was Nightblade main enough for Gina to give snarky remark. Then there's ever vocal class rep Kena.

Tasear wrote: »

Does seem like Nightblades are being favored. They now have lots of utility and each class role gets identity. This is a lot better balance then when they touched Sorcs.

Kena is no longer a class rep, and NBs are definitely not favoured this patch; DDs of either spec took a huge nerf and it was mostly because of trying to balance their skills for PvP. PvEe-rs again must deal with the repercussions of that. The class will be in a very awkward position, too much work for meh pay-off.

Kikke wrote: »

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

Is it possible to even remember that other specs outside of necro and NB(PVE DPS) exist?

I've seen several posts and complaints about sorc sustain, stam sorc identity, magblade pvp, dk wings, to name a few.

And yet, regarding sorcerer, we get:

Sorcerer
Storm Calling
Summon Storm Atronach: Fixed an issue where this ability and its morphs would not stun and deal damage to targets in the area where you cast the ability.

History says PTS patches usually have their first and third as their major changes notes (with a few exceptions having surprises on the last one), so can we expect anything regarding the pain points that the reps have told us that have been acknowledged by the devs like several times (see at https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5995967/#Comment_5995967) or should we just accept this and move on?

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler

If this is the pass on active abilities and we miss this, we may end up stale for more months to come, I understand you guys are focusing necro because its new and all, but please, it's easier to keep old customers than to get new ones, throw the old classes a bone for once!

I don't care for STAMINA sorcs... Sorcerers got nothing to do with stamina. Be happy with scaling changes and that one god damn stamina morph.... -_-

ehhhhh, no. In ESO, every class has to do with stamina, and yes, also sorcerers. Saying that they don't is your own personal opinion and in the context of this game, blatantly false.