7th legion. Fury. Truth. Ravager etc
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Irylia✭✭✭✭✭
✭Flame_of_Hades wrote: »Flame_of_Hades wrote: »Flame_of_Hades wrote: »
Only solo/small scalers use them. They make up likely 5% of cyrodiil population. And even then, not all solo/small scalers use these sets. No need to nerf.
Im not sure how to respond to this one. I could point out how stupid that sounds when you think about it, or I could point out why 7th/fury are so OP atm (more damage in a heavy armor set than a medium armor set), OR I could point out that zerglings use them, but I think ill do all three.
Answer this for me yes or no, do you agree with nerfing solo/small scale players?
No, but its not just solo/small scale players that are using these sets. Tanky is the meta, and thus people are running heavy armor sets. What are the best heavy armor sets?
4 guys are being chased by 15 players
The 4 players can easily proc and stack these heavy armor sets because they have plenty of incoming damage to proc.
Those 15 pugs run fury, ravager, truth.
They will hardly if ever proc or reach max potential.
Truth requires the person to have dodged an incoming ability.
Fury requires that player to get crit on 25x before max stacks
Ravager requires them to do melee damage with an 8% chance to proc.
How often are those pugs getting fury stacked when 4v15?
The 4 aren’t tossing out bleeds when that outnumbered they are aoe bomb cleaving chunks out.
That eliminates fury possibility.
Truth? The 4 aren’t spending much time tossing out any abilities that could be dodged considering they kite and then hit and even if they do hit what’s the chance they hit or target the guy with truth so he can get the application.
Ravager? Most pugs choose to range dps. As it’s the easiest and most braindead option when zerging.
The stam classes who can benefit from ravager the most is stamplar. Most other stamina don’t have the correct dmg skills or the ability to up the proc time like light rending jabs light bash.
The next best set up for proc’ ravager is dw steel nado in a large clump of enemies 15v4? 4 doesn’t sound like a lot of chances to proc since even when spinning in 10 I fail to proc it.
7th ? Much easier than the ones listed as all it requires is dmg incoming to proc it with a 10% and only needs it once every 5.
But they still won’t be getting hit when 15v4 as once again the 4 are kiting. Potentially prioritizing healers or snipers. The proc chance won’t be up if they range as Stam and if they melee they are putting themselves far further than their zerg and in more danger.
These sets are equivalent to bsw, necro, brightthroat, sun, spinner, spriggan
To name a few
I dont see the arguments point? The sets are equivalent to BSW. Necro. Etc. But in heavy armor. Thats the point, damage and damage mitigation and heavy attack sustain. Why should you get all of those. When bsw or the others require you to be in light or medium take a substantial more amount of damage for the same damage? So what's the point.
You get substantially more damage in medium and light for far less.
Medium armor kiri with impreg auto has more damage than I do heavy fury clever alch.
He beats me out by a small margin but still nonetheless. What he gains that I don’t is higher impen, speed, roll cost reduc.
In light armor you get 5k pen and 10% crit unnamed buffs.
That’s substantially more damage than heavy and I can do that with 1 damage set and a pseudo dmg or sustain set like lich.
Alternatively you can slot pirate skele for more dmg mit than provided by heavy.
Heavy only gives 2k hp 2k resistances more than the other armors. 8% healing is equivalent of not less than the wpn dmg buff to medium.
And cost reduc and recovery in light is greater than the tenacity and constitution of heavy. While trade off in medium is initial cost reduc, higher Stam regen value. Speed and cost reduc to roll/sprint.
What’s nice about heavy is the healing received means your allies will heal you for more as well and the constitution and tenacity allows you to regen an off stat and weave heavies for your sustain and it tailors to am outnumbered style slightly more.
But we have light armor mag users in no cp running double damage sets with pirate and they mit just as much if not more than us while hitting harder.
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TriangularChicken✭✭✭✭Flame_of_Hades wrote: »Flame_of_Hades wrote: »Flame_of_Hades wrote: »
Only solo/small scalers use them. They make up likely 5% of cyrodiil population. And even then, not all solo/small scalers use these sets. No need to nerf.
Im not sure how to respond to this one. I could point out how stupid that sounds when you think about it, or I could point out why 7th/fury are so OP atm (more damage in a heavy armor set than a medium armor set), OR I could point out that zerglings use them, but I think ill do all three.
Answer this for me yes or no, do you agree with nerfing solo/small scale players?
No, but its not just solo/small scale players that are using these sets. Tanky is the meta, and thus people are running heavy armor sets. What are the best heavy armor sets?
4 guys are being chased by 15 players
The 4 players can easily proc and stack these heavy armor sets because they have plenty of incoming damage to proc.
Those 15 pugs run fury, ravager, truth.
They will hardly if ever proc or reach max potential.
Truth requires the person to have dodged an incoming ability.
Fury requires that player to get crit on 25x before max stacks
Ravager requires them to do melee damage with an 8% chance to proc.
How often are those pugs getting fury stacked when 4v15?
The 4 aren’t tossing out bleeds when that outnumbered they are aoe bomb cleaving chunks out.
That eliminates fury possibility.
Truth? The 4 aren’t spending much time tossing out any abilities that could be dodged considering they kite and then hit and even if they do hit what’s the chance they hit or target the guy with truth so he can get the application.
Ravager? Most pugs choose to range dps. As it’s the easiest and most braindead option when zerging.
The stam classes who can benefit from ravager the most is stamplar. Most other stamina don’t have the correct dmg skills or the ability to up the proc time like light rending jabs light bash.
The next best set up for proc’ ravager is dw steel nado in a large clump of enemies 15v4? 4 doesn’t sound like a lot of chances to proc since even when spinning in 10 I fail to proc it.
7th ? Much easier than the ones listed as all it requires is dmg incoming to proc it with a 10% and only needs it once every 5.
But they still won’t be getting hit when 15v4 as once again the 4 are kiting. Potentially prioritizing healers or snipers. The proc chance won’t be up if they range as Stam and if they melee they are putting themselves far further than their zerg and in more danger.
These sets are equivalent to bsw, necro, brightthroat, sun, spinner, spriggan
To name a few
Here is the reason why these sets are fine. If you want to nerf something then go and nerf the zerging alliance stacking noobs, not the small scalers.2 -
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✭✭✭Flame_of_Hades wrote: »Flame_of_Hades wrote: »
Only solo/small scalers use them. They make up likely 5% of cyrodiil population. And even then, not all solo/small scalers use these sets. No need to nerf.
Im not sure how to respond to this one. I could point out how stupid that sounds when you think about it, or I could point out why 7th/fury are so OP atm (more damage in a heavy armor set than a medium armor set), OR I could point out that zerglings use them, but I think ill do all three.
Answer this for me yes or no, do you agree with nerfing solo/small scale players?
I’d say yes, just to see forum fury. Small scale seems to be the whiniest group in the game, worse than Sorcs!
I’ve never seen such a small group of players demand that an entire game suit their playstyle.
Don’t worry, I have a habit of adding each person who says yes to a list in which I completely ignore their opinions for the rest of time on the forums.
Wow, I’m sure that’s a great way to become a well rounded individual who understands different perspectives. It’s not like there’s a whole generation of people who’ve live their life this way and are ignored by the general population.
Who would have thought sitting around slapping backs with other people who only share your opinion would lead to ridiculous opinions, opinions that are so far removed from the general population they can’t be taken seriously.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
templesus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Flame_of_Hades wrote: »Flame_of_Hades wrote: »
Only solo/small scalers use them. They make up likely 5% of cyrodiil population. And even then, not all solo/small scalers use these sets. No need to nerf.
Im not sure how to respond to this one. I could point out how stupid that sounds when you think about it, or I could point out why 7th/fury are so OP atm (more damage in a heavy armor set than a medium armor set), OR I could point out that zerglings use them, but I think ill do all three.
Answer this for me yes or no, do you agree with nerfing solo/small scale players?
I’d say yes, just to see forum fury. Small scale seems to be the whiniest group in the game, worse than Sorcs!
I’ve never seen such a small group of players demand that an entire game suit their playstyle.
Don’t worry, I have a habit of adding each person who says yes to a list in which I completely ignore their opinions for the rest of time on the forums.
Wow, I’m sure that’s a great way to become a well rounded individual who understands different perspectives. It’s not like there’s a whole generation of people who’ve live their life this way and are ignored by the general population.
Who would have thought sitting around slapping backs with other people who only share your opinion would lead to ridiculous opinions, opinions that are so far removed from the general population they can’t be taken seriously.
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WeylandLabs✭✭✭✭✭No I'm dead serious they are fine -
Until - CP gets adjusted or changed later this year then they will scream haaaalp !
Sets are only good in CP PvP campaign's l2TC2 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Are we still on this? Has anyone who complains about these sets actually taken a look at how much extra damage they give a heavy armor user and then compared it to light armor or even medium armor?xAk_MoRRoWiNdx wrote: »Mettaricana wrote: »Buff ravanger to medium set and up that abysmal proc rate to like 20-30% and slap one more crit or stam into the 5 pc.
THIS. Idk why it's heavy in the first place aside from maybe cause of it's health bonus. It'd be great for Stamblade but the proc percent is too low as well
This set is the one thing Stamplars do well. The proc rate doesn’t need a buff. Also changing it to medium won’t stop people from running it in heavy lol.2 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭They’re fine. I have no issues with proc sets being powerful on heavy sets as long as the proc is on damage taken. It’s only OP if the proc is in damage done.
Risk = rewardEdited by Iskiab on April 29, 2019 3:57PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten2 -
iCaliban✭✭✭✭✭
✭I main mag toons and dont see any problem with 7th/fury/ravager. Stamina would be in a rough spot in pvp without them and dawnbreaker tbh. I dont want pvp to devolve into ranged teams taking potshots at eachother.3 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I main mag toons and dont see any problem with 7th/fury/ravager. Stamina would be in a rough spot in pvp without them and dawnbreaker tbh. I dont want pvp to devolve into ranged teams taking potshots at eachother.
I’m exactly the same! All mag! Someone else who gets it!
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You can’t have two classes do the same damage while one’s kiting and ranged. That’s just dumb.Edited by Iskiab on April 29, 2019 5:28PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They’re fine. I have no issues with proc sets being powerful on heavy sets as long as the proc is on damage taken. It’s only OP if the proc is in damage done.
Risk = reward
Except in the case of ravager because it’s proc chance is low. It works in Stamplars but stamplars only have offense right now. Soaking up damage isn’t really too much of an option.2 -
StShoot✭✭✭✭just give magica users the same thing to use ^^ there would still be a power gap between magica and stamina but atleast we have the chance to use 2 burst sets in HA, because every magica burst set i can think of is either light amor or realy badEdited by StShoot on May 2, 2019 9:19AM2 -
Ryanoxx✭✭✭just give magica users the same thing to use ^^ there would still be a power gap between magica and stamina but atleast we have the chance to use 2 burst sets in HA, because every magica burst set i can think of is either light amor or realy bad
I have the same opinion xD Give us magicka users sets like magicka fury or nerf the heavyarmor stamsets.MagDk
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MagBlade
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frozzzen101✭✭✭✭Honestly, like many have said, this is nerf to good players. Fury/Seventh aren't overperforming all that much as players that can actually utilize those sets. Truth/Ravager won't even be discussed here for obvious reasons.
It's not like you can go and sub-dawnbreaker from stealth with those sets. No, you actually need to take damage in order to proc them, and in case of Fury you actually need to know how to take damage, mitigate it properly, LoS and kite and then reap benefits of that knowledge. Case in point, take random zergling in Fury and put him in 1v4 situation - he will probably die before his stacks even hit 25. It's not like you magically get 750 weapon damage out of your ass, you actually need to work for it. That's why it's best in smallscale situation or high lvl mmr games in BGs for people who know how to use them properly. It's not zerg tool, and if meta chasing clueless zergling goes Fury, really only thing he will get is heavy armor mitigation.
So stay away from these sets and don't ask for nerfs.7 -
ilcavallo✭✭✭People love to complain about 7th and Fury yet most of those people's ignorance shows they have never used them and just need to complain cause they've lost to a heavy armor build.
Using BOTH on a class like a stamdk, in No-CP, means you're running with 900-1100 stam regen and 23-26k stamina at best, depending on your race and how much weapon damage you trade for more recovery/stam. Trading all your recovery and stam pool for weapon damage is a fair trade, and a perfectly balanced one.
When do those set become unbalanced? When you have 1500-1700 regen without having to trade anything for that sustain. What's the only class that can do that? It's Stamden. Bull Netch, Bird of Prey, Flourish.
Falcon's Swiftness is losing Major Endurance in the PTS notes, that's going to be a decent nerf to the real issue, without touching the sets which are fine by themselves.
100% ThisEdited by ilcavallo on May 5, 2019 12:16PM0 -
evoniee✭✭✭✭just toned down the damage of fury and 7th by a bit like -129.
also anyone who said heavy passive are trash is a trash.0 -
AlexTheLion✭✭✭Why do I feel like every nerf Fury post I see is probably by someone getting 1vX by someone wearing it. It’s not like the set is OP in 1v1 situations so obviously it’s not that. Learn to burst people before their fury stacks, or learn to play passive for a moment to let the stacks fall off. It’s a L2P issue, not a sets are overperforming issue.4
