7th legion. Fury. Truth. Ravager etc

olsborg

Didnt zos say they were looking at adjusting these sets on account of them overperforming? Im just hoping its coming to pts before its pushed to live

templesus

No, they’re fine.

Flame_of_Hades

templesus wrote: »

No, they’re fine.

LOL

Alucardo

templesus wrote: »

No, they’re fine.

You owe me a new monitor for the liquid I spat at it after laughing at this comment

SirMewser

No, seriously.
They are fine.

templesus

Flame_of_Hades wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

No, they’re fine.

LOL

Only solo/small scalers use them. They make up likely 5% of cyrodiil population. And even then, not all solo/small scalers use these sets. No need to nerf.

Ragnaroek93

olsborg wrote: »

Didnt zos say they were looking at adjusting these sets on account of them overperforming? Im just hoping its coming to pts before its pushed to live

No, they can use Rally now and have an anti snare and major exp skill on demand...

TequilaFire

LMAO, of course not!

Flame_of_Hades

templesus wrote: »

Flame_of_Hades wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

No, they’re fine.

LOL

Only solo/small scalers use them. They make up likely 5% of cyrodiil population. And even then, not all solo/small scalers use these sets. No need to nerf.

Im not sure how to respond to this one. I could point out how stupid that sounds when you think about it, or I could point out why 7th/fury are so OP atm (more damage in a heavy armor set than a medium armor set), OR I could point out that zerglings use them, but I think ill do all three.

olsborg

I know there is no choice for my nb. Ofc ill use 7th etc because it gives me more wpdmg and more mitigation than anything else. That and Race against time skill and ill be fast af to boot. I want choices..

templesus

Flame_of_Hades wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Flame_of_Hades wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

No, they’re fine.

LOL

Only solo/small scalers use them. They make up likely 5% of cyrodiil population. And even then, not all solo/small scalers use these sets. No need to nerf.

Im not sure how to respond to this one. I could point out how stupid that sounds when you think about it, or I could point out why 7th/fury are so OP atm (more damage in a heavy armor set than a medium armor set), OR I could point out that zerglings use them, but I think ill do all three.

Answer this for me yes or no, do you agree with nerfing solo/small scale players?

Bitmun

They are fine.

Sheezabeast

Fury should be a medium set That’s my only non-nerf suggestion.

Bashev

Once these sets are nerfed (as they have to be) then ZoS will need to buff heavy armor again. Because then ppl will realize that the passives and the skill for that armor are nothing spectacular. It is the heavy armor sets which makes Heavy Armor OP. And this only for Stamina. Magicka heavy armor builds are probably only the healbots.

Alucardo

Bashev wrote: »

Once these sets are nerfed (as they have to be) then ZoS will need to buff heavy armor again. Because then ppl will realize that the passives and the skill for that armor are nothing spectacular. It is the heavy armor sets which makes Heavy Armor OP. And this only for Stamina. Magicka heavy armor builds are probably only the healbots.

The term "heavy sets" barely has meaning anymore when you can just throw it on your weapons and transmute the jewellery.

Flame_of_Hades

templesus wrote: »

Flame_of_Hades wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Flame_of_Hades wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

No, they’re fine.

LOL

Only solo/small scalers use them. They make up likely 5% of cyrodiil population. And even then, not all solo/small scalers use these sets. No need to nerf.

Im not sure how to respond to this one. I could point out how stupid that sounds when you think about it, or I could point out why 7th/fury are so OP atm (more damage in a heavy armor set than a medium armor set), OR I could point out that zerglings use them, but I think ill do all three.

Answer this for me yes or no, do you agree with nerfing solo/small scale players?

No, but its not just solo/small scale players that are using these sets. Tanky is the meta, and thus people are running heavy armor sets. What are the best heavy armor sets?

Mettaricana

Pffft ravanger overperforming that's a laugh

Bashev

Alucardo wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Once these sets are nerfed (as they have to be) then ZoS will need to buff heavy armor again. Because then ppl will realize that the passives and the skill for that armor are nothing spectacular. It is the heavy armor sets which makes Heavy Armor OP. And this only for Stamina. Magicka heavy armor builds are probably only the healbots.

The term "heavy sets" barely has meaning anymore when you can just throw it on your weapons and transmute the jewellery.

And how can i combine 7th with fury? Yes sure if you use only one of the sets you can transmute it but why use 1 when I can use 2

Beffagorn

People love to complain about 7th and Fury yet most of those people's ignorance shows they have never used them and just need to complain cause they've lost to a heavy armor build.

Using BOTH on a class like a stamdk, in No-CP, means you're running with 900-1100 stam regen and 23-26k stamina at best, depending on your race and how much weapon damage you trade for more recovery/stam. Trading all your recovery and stam pool for weapon damage is a fair trade, and a perfectly balanced one.

When do those set become unbalanced? When you have 1500-1700 regen without having to trade anything for that sustain. What's the only class that can do that? It's Stamden. Bull Netch, Bird of Prey, Flourish.

Falcon's Swiftness is losing Major Endurance in the PTS notes, that's going to be a decent nerf to the real issue, without touching the sets which are fine by themselves.

Izaki

Beffagorn wrote: »

People love to complain about 7th and Fury yet most of those people's ignorance shows they have never used them and just need to complain cause they've lost to a heavy armor build.

Using BOTH on a class like a stamdk, in No-CP, means you're running with 900-1100 stam regen and 23-26k stamina at best, depending on your race and how much weapon damage you trade for more recovery/stam. Trading all your recovery and stam pool for weapon damage is a fair trade, and a perfectly balanced one.

When do those set become unbalanced? When you have 1500-1700 regen without having to trade anything for that sustain. What's the only class that can do that? It's Stamden. Bull Netch, Bird of Prey, Flourish.

Falcon's Swiftness is losing Major Endurance in the PTS notes, that's going to be a decent nerf to the real issue, without touching the sets which are fine by themselves.

You get Major Endurance from any potion that gives you Stamina. And you get it for 47 seconds. Bird Of Prey having or not having Major Endurance doesn't change anything.

Beffagorn

Izaki wrote: »

You get Major Endurance from any potion that gives you Stamina. And you get it for 47 seconds. Bird Of Prey having or not having Major Endurance doesn't change anything.

There's still going to be downtime at the start of fights, unless you pot immediatly at the beginning just to get the buff and not when you actually need it most. It might not be a lot, but it's something and it's better than nothing at all.

Chilly-McFreeze

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Fury should be a medium set That’s my only non-nerf suggestion.

Sure. Just let me get critted 25 times in medium. Solid design.

Rikumaru

I don't want to see small scale nerfed harder than it already has been. Medium armor should get comparable sets though.

Vapirko

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Fury should be a medium set That’s my only non-nerf suggestion.

This won't help at all since you can still run it on a heavy armor build.

Mettaricana

Buff ravanger to medium set and up that abysmal proc rate to like 20-30% and slap one more crit or stam into the 5 pc.

olsborg

Mettaricana wrote: »

Buff ravanger to medium set and up that abysmal proc rate to like 20-30% and slap one more crit or stam into the 5 pc.

Sounds like too much power.
Remove the cooldown from Briarheart tho...thats needed imo.

usmcjdking

Ravager is fine.

Fury, Truth & Seventh all need to be nerfed into the ground.

Brrrofski

Eh, I don't think they're that strong currently.

Truth and ravager especially. Fury requires you to be able to sustain well to get the most out of it - so requires knowing how to do that in heavy (or survive well in medium)

Nevasca

Wouldn't you rather they buffed other sets to the same level? I don't think they are particularly OP, but sometimes it feels you are stuck with those options because the other suck too much.

Wing

the only reason I would be in favor of nerfing the sets would be to then rebalance the ABYSMAL heavy armor passives that have long been nerfed and neglected due to a few sets.

Dracane

Beffagorn wrote: »

People love to complain about 7th and Fury yet most of those people's ignorance shows they have never used them and just need to complain cause they've lost to a heavy armor build.

Using BOTH on a class like a stamdk, in No-CP, means you're running with 900-1100 stam regen and 23-26k stamina at best, depending on your race and how much weapon damage you trade for more recovery/stam. Trading all your recovery and stam pool for weapon damage is a fair trade, and a perfectly balanced one.

When do those set become unbalanced? When you have 1500-1700 regen without having to trade anything for that sustain. What's the only class that can do that? It's Stamden. Bull Netch, Bird of Prey, Flourish.

Falcon's Swiftness is losing Major Endurance in the PTS notes, that's going to be a decent nerf to the real issue, without touching the sets which are fine by themselves.

You wouldn't say that if you knew heavy armor.
You forget that heavy armor gives more regeneration than any other armor and it gives Stamina and Magicka at the same time.

You get 465 magicka and stamina restore every 2 seconds when using only 5 pieces of heavy armor. So you will have by far more regeneration than medium or light armor users and you even get a significant heavy attack restore bonus on top. I can promise you, that these 21% magicka regeneration from light armor don't come close to 465 magicka ever 2 seconds.

Defending heavy armor (saying it is bad) is absolutely questionable and out of place.

Yet I agree with the general consens, that Ravager does not need nerfs. Fury and Legions certainly need to be brought in line.