Cryptical wrote: »

dtsharples wrote: »

Managed vICP pretty easily yesterday with a full group of PVP characters.
All 'DD's' with one guy rocking a ranged taunt.
The thing is, if you can PVP well you can PVE pretty easily too as a result - Why? Because you have the self awareness to avoid the ridiculously easy mechanics, have self heals / shields and if you aren't a total turd have plenty of DPS to bring down the bosses - and trash mobs just melt.

And don't presume that all PVPers are wearing full Impen, it's genuinely not the case as there are other options out there.
Sure there are plenty of 'PVPers' who just slot tank armour and block with no damage, I feel sorry if you get one of those guys in your group because they are useless in both PVP & PVE.

But, if I do unfortunately have to slum it in a pug, I do make sure to remove any indication that I PVP, as the hysterical screeching from PVE try-hards makes my ears bleed.
Without any indication like a Title, we get the job done efficiently and everyone says 'GG' and leaves without any hassle.

That is the first dlc. It lacks a number of advanced mechanics that have been invented and implemented in later dungeons.

Do your 4 dps pvp build in vBloodroot, vScale, vFalkreath, vFrost. I’d be entertained watching 4 pvp dps dancing around chudan in vMazz, or scrambling around avoiding Balorgh when he electrifies the water in vMarch. It would be awesome to see your 4 pvp dps gang try to butt-tank the lava geysers from Galchobhar the Minotaur boss. Let’s see your crew handle the white werewolf in vMoonhunter. You called them easy mechanics, cherry picking the very first dlc put out.

Step it up to the harder stuff and let’s see your group support your boasting.

MrBumblefoot wrote: »

So I just entered Veteran Frostvault with my healer. Tank had 25k hp and a 2H. One of the DDs had 1h&Shield. We couldn't get past the first boss. When I saw PvE players talking about kicking PvP players from dungeons last week, I just thought that it was a joke (because from my perspective, most of the PvP players are good at PvE anyway) but apparently this is a thing indeed, those group members also had high Alliance Rank so I guess it's true that there are PvP players that suck in PvE. Maybe don't join Veteran next time? Normal difficulty pledges give the reward box anyway.

I play both PvP and PvE frequently and I don't think it's too hard to do both. It's your decision to dedicate yourself to only one of them but then act accordingly. Those PvE players complaining about Cyrodiil were ridiculous enough and now we get this? At least PvE players' complains didn't affect my in-game experience but now this is going to affect me. Don't join Veteran DLC Dungeons if you're clueless.

D0PAMINE wrote: »

I tanked vBC I HM on a DW/Bow Stamplar getting 2 people their first HM no Death Speedrun clear. I PvE and PvP. It's only acceptable if you know the fight well enough to complete it. Yes I had a taunt.

Arunei wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

MrBumblefoot wrote: »

Oh and btw I don't get this whole "PvPers and PvErs" separation.

The hate is from addiction. Loot boxes have the same kind of impact psychologically as scatch cards which have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be addictive.

When addicts don't get their fix, they and those around them tend to have a bad experience.

The actual separation in this case is loot box fiend vs non-loot box fiend. PVP regulars were also raging because their loot box grinding on unprepared alts was interrupted. Players who have farmed hundreds of doors are complaining about door farmers. It's rich.

Actually no, the hate isn't from addiction. People have always complained about one 'camp' or the other, these events aren't the cause of it, they just make the issue more pronounced because of griefing happening both ways. There's always been a separation of PvPers and PvEers.

Aurielle wrote: »

LOL, what do you mean NOW PVEers will get their revenge? PVEers have been kicking PVPers from dungeons for not wearing meta gear since this game started. Why have a silly “vendetta” because YOU refused to prepare yourself for a PVP zone? If you don’t want to get ganked in PVP, you need to wear appropriate PVP gear. Seriously, ALL you guys had to do was throw on 5pc Pariah, 5pc heavy Fortified Brass, 2pc Chudan/Pirate, all in impen, and you could have face tanked every wannabe ganker or door sieger.

You want to know why people targeted PVEers? It’s because there are dailies to KILL X NUMBER OF PLAYERS, and PVEers made themselves easy targets by REFUSING to gear up appropriately for a PVP environment. And yet you’re so entitled that you take pleasure in kicking PVPers from dungeons because they’re not geared appropriately and think you’re justified in doing so, because you got killed in a PVP environment while wearing PVE gear.

The hypocrisy, I tell you...

Except that people were expected to get all that Impen gear in the span of a week? Riiiiiight, see that's where that whole "gear up for Cyro" argument falls apart. If a person is going to regularly be PvPing then yeah, they should be expected to get the gear, the skills, and all that, because they'll have all the time in the world for it. Same with people doing dungeons and trials and stuff; if that's what you're going to be doing regularly, you have literally all the time in the world to get yourself geared and ready. But to sit here and say "oh people should have spent time farming optimal PvP equipment lol" for an event only lasting a week? Nah man, doesn't work that way. It works especially less when you consider that even if someone could get all the gear and skills in a few days, that means nothing when a person has no experience using that gear or those skills. People acting like PvEers putting on Cyro gear and getting a Cyro rotation would make any difference are just deluding themselves; gear and skills don't make you good at PvP, the experience does.

And of course the same thing could be said for PvPers trying to do PvE. People expecting ANYONE to get 'optimal' gear for any play-style and learning an entirely different rotation in the span of a week is ridiculous. It takes longer than a handful of days to become even halfway good at any mode of play in this game.

On the matter of kicking players this week, or in general, I'm of the mindset that unless a player is legitimately not contributing (they're running and hiding during boss battles, they're standing in one place for a good potion of the dungeon without ANY sort of input, they queue as a tank or healer but then have no taunts/don't hold aggro or have no healing skills at all), they really shouldn't be kicked. I suppose if it becomes obvious you can't complete the content with them would be a reason too, such as if they honestly don't have the DPS to help burn down a boss or don't have the right gear to survive more than a few hits from trash mobs. Aside from that, people shouldn't be kicked just because their CP is "too low", as CP is no measure of skill and is only a measure of time spent playing (same with Alliance Ranks really). They shouldn't be kicked just because their DPS is less than 25k or whatever arbitrary number is thrown around for 'acceptable' DPS these days. They shouldn't be kicked for having a tank with less than whatever arbitrary number is used as 'acceptable Health' even if they're holding aggro and doing the job of a tank. They shouldn't be kicked just because they might not have done a dungeon before.

And all this is regardless of whether it's someone who primarily does PvP or PvE. There's no reason to kick just because you can kick. All it does is mark you as an a-hole, just like people who were camping the building in Cropsford last week and killing people trying to get/turn in quests before they even got out of a loading screen.

Arunei wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

MrBumblefoot wrote: »

Oh and btw I don't get this whole "PvPers and PvErs" separation.

The hate is from addiction. Loot boxes have the same kind of impact psychologically as scatch cards which have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be addictive.

When addicts don't get their fix, they and those around them tend to have a bad experience.

The actual separation in this case is loot box fiend vs non-loot box fiend. PVP regulars were also raging because their loot box grinding on unprepared alts was interrupted. Players who have farmed hundreds of doors are complaining about door farmers. It's rich.

Actually no, the hate isn't from addiction. People have always complained about one 'camp' or the other, these events aren't the cause of it, they just make the issue more pronounced because of griefing happening both ways. There's always been a separation of PvPers and PvEers.

Aurielle wrote: »

LOL, what do you mean NOW PVEers will get their revenge? PVEers have been kicking PVPers from dungeons for not wearing meta gear since this game started. Why have a silly “vendetta” because YOU refused to prepare yourself for a PVP zone? If you don’t want to get ganked in PVP, you need to wear appropriate PVP gear. Seriously, ALL you guys had to do was throw on 5pc Pariah, 5pc heavy Fortified Brass, 2pc Chudan/Pirate, all in impen, and you could have face tanked every wannabe ganker or door sieger.

You want to know why people targeted PVEers? It’s because there are dailies to KILL X NUMBER OF PLAYERS, and PVEers made themselves easy targets by REFUSING to gear up appropriately for a PVP environment. And yet you’re so entitled that you take pleasure in kicking PVPers from dungeons because they’re not geared appropriately and think you’re justified in doing so, because you got killed in a PVP environment while wearing PVE gear.

The hypocrisy, I tell you...

Except that people were expected to get all that Impen gear in the span of a week? Riiiiiight, see that's where that whole "gear up for Cyro" argument falls apart. If a person is going to regularly be PvPing then yeah, they should be expected to get the gear, the skills, and all that, because they'll have all the time in the world for it. Same with people doing dungeons and trials and stuff; if that's what you're going to be doing regularly, you have literally all the time in the world to get yourself geared and ready. But to sit here and say "oh people should have spent time farming optimal PvP equipment lol" for an event only lasting a week? Nah man, doesn't work that way. It works especially less when you consider that even if someone could get all the gear and skills in a few days, that means nothing when a person has no experience using that gear or those skills. People acting like PvEers putting on Cyro gear and getting a Cyro rotation would make any difference are just deluding themselves; gear and skills don't make you good at PvP, the experience does.

And of course the same thing could be said for PvPers trying to do PvE. People expecting ANYONE to get 'optimal' gear for any play-style and learning an entirely different rotation in the span of a week is ridiculous. It takes longer than a handful of days to become even halfway good at any mode of play in this game.

On the matter of kicking players this week, or in general, I'm of the mindset that unless a player is legitimately not contributing (they're running and hiding during boss battles, they're standing in one place for a good potion of the dungeon without ANY sort of input, they queue as a tank or healer but then have no taunts/don't hold aggro or have no healing skills at all), they really shouldn't be kicked. I suppose if it becomes obvious you can't complete the content with them would be a reason too, such as if they honestly don't have the DPS to help burn down a boss or don't have the right gear to survive more than a few hits from trash mobs. Aside from that, people shouldn't be kicked just because their CP is "too low", as CP is no measure of skill and is only a measure of time spent playing (same with Alliance Ranks really). They shouldn't be kicked just because their DPS is less than 25k or whatever arbitrary number is thrown around for 'acceptable' DPS these days. They shouldn't be kicked for having a tank with less than whatever arbitrary number is used as 'acceptable Health' even if they're holding aggro and doing the job of a tank. They shouldn't be kicked just because they might not have done a dungeon before.

And all this is regardless of whether it's someone who primarily does PvP or PvE. There's no reason to kick just because you can kick. All it does is mark you as an a-hole, just like people who were camping the building in Cropsford last week and killing people trying to get/turn in quests before they even got out of a loading screen.