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Zos: Why am I forced to gamble so that I can collect the gems I need to get the mount I want?
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eso_lags✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭And you can thank the whales for this. I see a few in here. I've spent a lot of money on this game over the last few years and I've never had a problem buying anything I want, but I can see the BS for what it is. Crown crates are bad, this is worse. Im not sure where zos comes up with its pricing, but whoever it is must be insane.
25 bucks for race changes, 25 bucks for name changes, 15 bucks forr character slots, 40 bucks for the banker, 40 bucks for the merchant, 80-120+ bucks for many of the big houses.. And ridiculous crown crates and mount's like this that ened up costing god knows how much..
But chapters? DLC's? Even the base game which is like 10 bucks? CHEAP! I dont even think they cost as much as the damn banker.. Lmfao, So I guess to them the banker is worth more than the chapter they put months of work into. Or the game they put years of work into. Amazing.17 -
wishlist14✭✭✭✭✭
✭And you can thank the whales for this. I see a few in here. I've spent a lot of money on this game over the last few years and I've never had a problem buying anything I want, but I can see the BS for what it is. Crown crates are bad, this is worse. Im not sure where zos comes up with its pricing, but whoever it is must be insane.
25 bucks for race changes, 25 bucks for name changes, 15 bucks forr character slots, 40 bucks for the banker, 40 bucks for the merchant, 80-120+ bucks for many of the big houses.. And ridiculous crown crates and mount's like this that ened up costing god knows how much..
But chapters? DLC's? Even the base game which is like 10 bucks? CHEAP! I dont even think they cost as much as the damn banker.. Lmfao, So I guess to them the banker is worth more than the chapter they put months of work into. Or the game they put years of work into. Amazing.
Yes it's insane I agree. The amount of money I have spent on this game makes me cry. I want to support the amazing work but dammit I also want to be able to purchase a mount I want but not via crate gambles.13 -
StormChaser3000✭✭✭✭✭
✭wishlist14 wrote: »I would suggest you are not forced to because you are not forced to by any mount. The best course of action is to just avoid the crown crates all together even if it means not getting some mount.
Otherwise, by buying the crates to get the gems to buy the mount you are sending a clear and unmistakable message to Zos that you are willing to go through all that to get a mount or anything else they lock behind the gems. It really is that simple
Non of you freaking know how to read something before you answer...dont answer then.StormChaser3000 wrote: »Whatever. That mount is worth it.
Lol, yesterday after I bought it and decided to finish picking up skyshards, I guess I provoked a ganker who kept chasing my pve character through a half of Cyrodiil xD (with no luck: when I got bored I used invisibility potion and dropped him off my tail)
Eso employee?
People can't express positive opinion about their purchases?3 -
SRTtoZ✭✭✭It does suck but luckily I had about 1200 gems left from all the stupid boxes I bought over the years. I had no idea there was even a speical mount to be gotten from them until this thread so I ended up buying it along with the cub and its pretty damn sick. I hate how all the coolest mounts (apex) are gamble only, they really need to do stuff like this more where we can spend our gems on the coolest of mounts. I'm debating buying a Psijic one too because it seems to fit that Templar theme perfectly.0
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Androconium✭✭✭✭✭
✭wishlist14 wrote: »The first time I saw the gloam wolves I fell in love with them
You need to change this strategy.
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max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I have almost 800 gems and they’ve yet to put out a mount I’d spend it on.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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""All gods' creatures (you lot) are equal when covered in A1 sauce"" -- Old Bosmeri Wisdom0 -
Ohtimbar✭✭✭✭✭
✭I agree, it stinks. The entire industry is circling the drain and this is the latest toilet water smoothie they've decided to serve us.forever stuck in combat11 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YaYaPineapple wrote: »No, I'm not overlooking anything and I have zero problem with the fact that someone needs to buy the crowns. The system allows for these items to be purchased with in-game gold from other players who also have no problem with buying crowns.
The OP wants the Gloam Wolf, so OP has two options:
1. Complain about a system that will not change, and certainly will not change before the Gloam Wolf leaves the store. Op may as well yell into the abyss about it - doing so will not gain her the Gloam Wolf, no matter how much OP complains.
2. Find a way to get the Gloam Wolf.
I see nothing "predatory" about selling something that people want to buy.
There is a third option. Realizer the Gloam Wolf is not really that important and forget about it. Save lots of money and grief at the same time.
In the end it really is the best option as it avoid compulsion which is exactly what this is all about.11 -
JadeCoin✭✭✭✭YaYaPineapple wrote: »No, I'm not overlooking anything and I have zero problem with the fact that someone needs to buy the crowns. The system allows for these items to be purchased with in-game gold from other players who also have no problem with buying crowns.
The OP wants the Gloam Wolf, so OP has two options:
1. Complain about a system that will not change, and certainly will not change before the Gloam Wolf leaves the store. Op may as well yell into the abyss about it - doing so will not gain her the Gloam Wolf, no matter how much OP complains.
2. Find a way to get the Gloam Wolf.
I see nothing "predatory" about selling something that people want to buy.
There is a third option. Realizer the Gloam Wolf is not really that important and forget about it. Save lots of money and grief at the same time.
In the end it really is the best option as it avoid compulsion which is exactly what this is all about.
I agree that the best option for most people will be #3. I figure things have a value to me, and a price attached to them. Whether I want something or not basically boils down to whether the first is greater than or equal to the second. For me the Gloam Wolf is a no-brainer, since although I like it, the price is much, much higher than the enjoyment I could get from this (or any other) cosmetic. Value < price. Easy decision.4 -
Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YaYaPineapple wrote: »^^ What he said. If you don't want to use crowns purchased with real life money, then just buy crate packs with in-game gold.
No need for all this drama over it when you can easily get what you want with in-game gold.wishlist14 wrote: »The drama is it is gambling...that is my freaking drama
I don't think the OP wants to listen to ideas of not being out-of-pocket through crown crate gifting.
In other words, I think we're done here ...2 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Unfortunately, the economic divide is real. Desire to purchase nice/exclusive things doesn't scale with ability to purchase such things. Someone will always be disappointed.
I recall a guild conversation in game not long ago, about radiant apex mounts. People wanted it, couldn't afford it, odds were terrible, etc. One guy mentioned that he had gotten the elusive mount we were discussing. How much did you spend to get it, someone asked.
"30k" was the reply.
"30k? 30k Crowns?"
"No, 30k USD."
We were stunned. "Wow, you really wanted that, huh?"
He proceeded to tell us that he was wealthy, and the money was no big deal. He said he was thrilled to finally receive the mount he wanted, and that he got multiples of the other radiant apex mounts that he didn't want, and so forth. Said he would gladly do it all over again.
Cost is relative. Many will be disappointed, but a few will be satisfied. As long as there are people willing to pay, there will always be people looking to sell.8 -
TelvanniWizard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ah, ZO$ and its scam crates, always bringing joy to the world... Hope one day this lame market model will end, and we'll be able to buy whatever we want directly from the store, for a flat price (that is, as always before all this gambling rip-offs).4 -
Monte_Cristo✭✭✭✭✭
✭+1
The increase in this crown gem exclusive stuff is despicable.
Agreed.
Never underestimate the greed of this company. Its disgusting. They will do anything they can to try and exploit their community, its so sad. Not only are we not able to obtain any cool mounts in game, unless you consider the 4 horses you can buy with gold cool, now we cant even spend money to simply get the one mount we want.
I think my free golden stag/deer mount is pretty cool.2 -
Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭Unfortunately, the economic divide is real. Desire to purchase nice/exclusive things doesn't scale with ability to purchase such things. Someone will always be disappointed.
I recall a guild conversation in game not long ago, about radiant apex mounts. People wanted it, couldn't afford it, odds were terrible, etc. One guy mentioned that he had gotten the elusive mount we were discussing. How much did you spend to get it, someone asked.
"30k" was the reply.
"30k? 30k Crowns?"
"No, 30k USD."
We were stunned. "Wow, you really wanted that, huh?"
He proceeded to tell us that he was wealthy, and the money was no big deal. He said he was thrilled to finally receive the mount he wanted, and that he got multiples of the other radiant apex mounts that he didn't want, and so forth. Said he would gladly do it all over again.
Cost is relative. Many will be disappointed, but a few will be satisfied. As long as there are people willing to pay, there will always be people looking to sell.
Lol lies I'd bet on that one5 -
FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭YaYaPineapple wrote: »
I see nothing "predatory" about selling something that people want to buy.
Except that Crown crates are not selling you anything other than the ‘possibility’ of an item. They are selling you a gamble.
You may get something you want (very unlikely) or you will get tat worth 5 or 6 gems. Only ZOS know how likely it is that you will get anything remotely worth your money from them.
They are exploitative gambling products designed to pull as much real money from people as possible. They are a scam and it’s really disappointing that ZOS pushes them so blatantly.
I’m all for people being able to buy stuff in the game, but they should at least be certain to get what they are paying for.5 -
Kalante✭✭✭✭✭
✭because it's more profitable to get whale money than just being able to buy it outright. Why leave it at a fixed price when whales with too much money and zero self control keep spending hundreds of dollars to get the crowns needed, also for a fact poor people are addicted to this along with the whales. It's a no brainer practice with obvious results but at the cost of your soul for who ever profits from this. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.Edited by Kalante on April 27, 2019 9:20AM6 -
YaYaPineapple✭✭✭✭YaYaPineapple wrote: »
I see nothing "predatory" about selling something that people want to buy.
Except that Crown crates are not selling you anything other than the ‘possibility’ of an item. They are selling you a gamble.
You may get something you want (very unlikely) or you will get tat worth 5 or 6 gems. Only ZOS know how likely it is that you will get anything remotely worth your money from them.
They are exploitative gambling products designed to pull as much real money from people as possible. They are a scam and it’s really disappointing that ZOS pushes them so blatantly.
I’m all for people being able to buy stuff in the game, but they should at least be certain to get what they are paying for.
Yes... ZOS is selling the 'possibility' of a selection of items...That is what certain people WANT to buy. Some people want to gamble or they want "grab bag" or "mystery box" type of deals. This is why there is a gigantic real life industry of mystery boxes (subscription boxes they are usually called). There are mystery boxes for everything you can think of... cosmetics, baby products, craft beers, and even dog treats. Those companies don't even give you any clue about what you might get. Most of the stuff in those boxes is crap too. Crown crates are a similar product.
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Itzmichi✭✭✭✭✭Nobody is forced to do anything, you choose do to something. But you always have the ability to make a different choice.Here, have a chill pill 💊!3 -
ThanatosXR✭✭✭Its not predatory, its basically giving your whales some food. You can always go spend $500 on crates for oneEdited by ThanatosXR on April 27, 2019 9:35AM0
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thedovahmon✭✭✭✭You people would not like Gacha games."Voted most likely to reply with a reaction image. According to the Mournhold High School Yearbook."2 -
Tan9oSuccka✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭While it’s not forced and entirely voluntary, I agree this is a predatory practice.
I’m not a fan.5 -
peacenote✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Items not available via Crown Crates shouldn't be released in the store as purchasable by gems only.
I know some of you are here because you're against Crown Crates altogether, but imo this is an even worse problem. People are expected to buy Crown Crates just to obtain a currency for something else? You can't decline items from the crates, so it could potentially take a while to rack up 500 gems.
Also, the new "RNG" of what is gems vs. crowns is another issue. Why is the Gloam Wolf for gems but the Meridian Sabre Cat was crowns? We all like different things, please let us just buy what we like in a consistent, straightforward way and revert gems back to simply being a currency to reduce the gambling aspect of crown crates!!
OP, one thing I will say is that the wolves will probably come around again in some form or another so my advice is to keep an eye out. But I 100% agree with your objection, personally.
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max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭thedovahmon wrote: »You people would not like Gacha games.
Gachapon or coin-egg machines were very popular in the 90s in the US. Haven’t seen them around much now, but people still do the “blind box” thing just for more money. LEGO packets come to mind.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
#OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
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""All gods' creatures (you lot) are equal when covered in A1 sauce"" -- Old Bosmeri Wisdom0 -
Wildberryjack✭✭✭✭✭
✭Common items need to be removed from the crates. That is what turns me off buying them. I open 4-15 crates and get almost nothing but cheap junk I don't want and can't use. No thanks.The purpose of art is washing the dust of daily life off our souls. ~Pablo Picasso2 -
CMDR_Un1k0rn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No gameplay difference between the free level 10 horse and the wolf.
Only reason people want this so bad is because it's expensive.
It's all about status symbols: So basically, nothing important.
Plenty of mounts available for Crowns if you want a simple purchase.
And if, like me, you have no empathy for other people's bad spending habits, you can grind gold and buy that way.
Until the gem exclusives perform better than other mounts, I'm not bothered in the slightest by gem exclusives.
As it stands, this is not the case, so my indifference remains.In-game username: Un1korn | Happy member of the PCNA UESP guild (Resident Daggerfall Covenant enjoyer) | Main & basically only character: Crucian Vulpin, Imperial Dragonknight of the Daggerfall Covenant, and Undaunted Bulwark (I tank) | Mountain bike enjoyer and vulpine appreciator | If you know me from PCEU: No | To ZOS: THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BRING MY HORSE INTO BATTLE!0 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭thedovahmon wrote: »You people would not like Gacha games.
Gachapon or coin-egg machines were very popular in the 90s in the US. Haven’t seen them around much now, but people still do the “blind box” thing just for more money. LEGO packets come to mind.
Or sports cards. Buy boxes and boxes of sealed packs hoping you can get that super rare autographed card of some star player.3
