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Just kicked 2 players from a dungeon
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Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
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I PVP in PVE gear and setups. I get killed a lot. I don't complain about it because I know that the only thing keeping me from using an actual PVP setup in PVP (and therefore increasing my chances of survival and of killing other players) is my own laziness. On PC there are addons that make it very easy to switch between different gear, skill, and champion point setups. On console it's obviously a lot less convenient, though.Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.
This game is the absolute worst game I have played, to date, in terms of switching skills, CP points, gear (no saved sets) and so on.
Not to mention lack of bag space.
I'm not surprised no one bothers and just charges in, in their PVP gear and set-up.
In fact, I'm surprised anyone doesn't do that.
I have another solution - don't bother with PVP.
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Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭KappaKid83 wrote: »Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.
This game is the absolute worst game I have played, to date, in terms of switching skills, CP points, gear (no saved sets) and so on.
Not to mention lack of bag space.
I'm not surprised no one bothers and just charges in, in their PVP gear and set-up.
In fact, I'm surprised anyone doesn't do that.
You do realize there are plenty of addons for this right? Like CP Respec and Wykyd and Dressing Room for skill and gear changes on the fly... Also bag space is limited unless you buy it sure, but over the years of playing I have too much room in my bags, to be honest, and have not once filled everything up with meaningful items/gear.
Do you do housing/furnishing?0 -
KappaKid83✭✭✭✭✭KappaKid83 wrote: »Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.
This game is the absolute worst game I have played, to date, in terms of switching skills, CP points, gear (no saved sets) and so on.
Not to mention lack of bag space.
I'm not surprised no one bothers and just charges in, in their PVP gear and set-up.
In fact, I'm surprised anyone doesn't do that.
You do realize there are plenty of addons for this right? Like CP Respec and Wykyd and Dressing Room for skill and gear changes on the fly... Also bag space is limited unless you buy it sure, but over the years of playing I have too much room in my bags, to be honest, and have not once filled everything up with meaningful items/gear.
Do you do housing/furnishing?
No, ESO plus member w/ no house, not sure what kind of difference that makes within the conversation.0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.
This game is the absolute worst game I have played, to date, in terms of switching skills, CP points, gear (no saved sets) and so on.
Not to mention lack of bag space.
I'm not surprised no one bothers and just charges in, in their PVP gear and set-up.
In fact, I'm surprised anyone doesn't do that.
There is storage options now so it's not as difficult to store extra gear sets as it once was.
Yeah, I have these "storage options" and I am still completely overwhelmed, almost all the time, despite only owning one set of gear that I use for my char.
Just devote one of your storage chests to keeping an extra set of gear there for when you PvE.
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Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭KappaKid83 wrote: »KappaKid83 wrote: »Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.
This game is the absolute worst game I have played, to date, in terms of switching skills, CP points, gear (no saved sets) and so on.
Not to mention lack of bag space.
I'm not surprised no one bothers and just charges in, in their PVP gear and set-up.
In fact, I'm surprised anyone doesn't do that.
You do realize there are plenty of addons for this right? Like CP Respec and Wykyd and Dressing Room for skill and gear changes on the fly... Also bag space is limited unless you buy it sure, but over the years of playing I have too much room in my bags, to be honest, and have not once filled everything up with meaningful items/gear.
Do you do housing/furnishing?
No, ESO plus member w/ no house, not sure what kind of difference that makes within the conversation.
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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭KappaKid83 wrote: »Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.
You are 100% incorrect here, like really far off base.
You must be a PvPer who thinks they're awesome at PvE.
If that was true, then why are there a constant stream of this sort of thread?4 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
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I PVP in PVE gear and setups. I get killed a lot. I don't complain about it because I know that the only thing keeping me from using an actual PVP setup in PVP (and therefore increasing my chances of survival and of killing other players) is my own laziness. On PC there are addons that make it very easy to switch between different gear, skill, and champion point setups. On console it's obviously a lot less convenient, though.Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.
This game is the absolute worst game I have played, to date, in terms of switching skills, CP points, gear (no saved sets) and so on.
Not to mention lack of bag space.
I'm not surprised no one bothers and just charges in, in their PVP gear and set-up.
In fact, I'm surprised anyone doesn't do that.
I have another solution - don't bother with PVP.
I don't, but I don't begrudge those that do.
It's about doing what you enjoy.1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Many bad PvE players go to PvP because they are bad.
Assuming that's true they won't last long on PvP either.
PvE is just about learning the mechanics. Once you know them (and everyone else know them too) it's quite easy.
PvP, on the other hand, you never know what to expect and it's way more challenging in every aspect.
They Zerg, not solo. But yes, they would not do well solo or small group where tactics and skill are required.
An example. A social guild I was in first year had a small raiding group. They kicked the raid leader and those that raided and enjoyed doing dungeons with those who raided followed the raid leader.
In the end they could not clear any trials and their raid leader was now their main healer and was challenged healing a vet dungeon. The only thing they really did often was PvP and joined zergs. It does not take skill to run with a zerg.
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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭KappaKid83 wrote: »KappaKid83 wrote: »Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.
This game is the absolute worst game I have played, to date, in terms of switching skills, CP points, gear (no saved sets) and so on.
Not to mention lack of bag space.
I'm not surprised no one bothers and just charges in, in their PVP gear and set-up.
In fact, I'm surprised anyone doesn't do that.
You do realize there are plenty of addons for this right? Like CP Respec and Wykyd and Dressing Room for skill and gear changes on the fly... Also bag space is limited unless you buy it sure, but over the years of playing I have too much room in my bags, to be honest, and have not once filled everything up with meaningful items/gear.
Do you do housing/furnishing?
No, ESO plus member w/ no house, not sure what kind of difference that makes within the conversation.
Storage options.
I guess they figure that you'd want to spend an inordinate amount of real cash to buy fake cash to purchase storage options for overpriced housing that you had to spend a lot of real cash to buy fake cash to purchase so that you would have a place to put your storage options which are very limited in quantity necessitating you spend yet more real cash on fake cash to purchase more housing so that you can spend real cash to get fake cash to purchase more storage options for your limited storage space housing and so forth...1 -
r34lian✭✭✭✭✭
✭ITZ DA REVENGE TIME BOIS
KEEP THOSE KICKS INCOMING! !!!
2000 CP • 18 Maxed Characters • 6 Altmers • 7 Redguards • Necromancer Orc • Warden Dunmer • DK Nord • DK Imperial • Templar Breton5 -
frostz417✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Agenericname wrote: »This is why I have separate pve characters and separate PvP characters. I will never burden others to carrying my PvP characters through a dungeon ever. If I even think of bringing a PvP character into a dungeon you bet your ass I’m going to respec into pve and slap on some pve gear. It’s a shame pvp’ers do things like this.
PvEers do it. Why wouldn't PvPers?Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.
Some do, some dont. PvEers do the same thing. Its definitely not a PvE vs PvP thing.
Pve’ers doing it just just as bad. I did not intend to sound like pvpers only do it.
Only difference is when pvpers do it they actually have thumbs most of the time. Whereas pve’ers are just obnoxious when they do itEdited by frostz417 on April 26, 2019 6:57PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NordSwordnBoard wrote: »It’s a fallacy of to think most PvP players are good at PvE. Many bad PvE players go to PvP because they are bad.
It is also a fallacy to mix alliance rank with skill. Many players have gained a lot of AP via zergs and it merely takes longevity of that behavior to make it to high alliance ranks.
This is not to reflect on all PvP players. There are great PvP players and many are great at PvE. It’s just to say there are many bad players in both PvP and PvE.
That's funny, a common trope I hear from PvE players is how pvp is so awful (players, lag or both) that people go back to PvE. However, neither of us have anything other than anecdotal evidence to support this. Not trying to argue, my experience has generally been the opposite of yours.
I think the bad players that hide in a Zerg deflect the exposure that happens all the time in vet 4 player PvE content. Bad players just hide easier in PvP. They are typically just as proud of alliance rank or BG titles as people who got carried in Dragonstar and wear the title. I see little difference between the two, which makes the animosity they have towards each other hilarious to me.
And yes, that is the case that bad players hide easy in zergs. Zergs do not deal with at the moment tactics so it is easy for lower skilled players to run with.
Back in the day there was a guy that lead many zergs. Sometimes he did have a requirement and that sole requirement was impulse. Did not care if you were mag or stam as long as you had impulse. At least that is the only req I saw him post in zone chat.
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KappaKid83 wrote: »KappaKid83 wrote: »Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.
This game is the absolute worst game I have played, to date, in terms of switching skills, CP points, gear (no saved sets) and so on.
Not to mention lack of bag space.
I'm not surprised no one bothers and just charges in, in their PVP gear and set-up.
In fact, I'm surprised anyone doesn't do that.
You do realize there are plenty of addons for this right? Like CP Respec and Wykyd and Dressing Room for skill and gear changes on the fly... Also bag space is limited unless you buy it sure, but over the years of playing I have too much room in my bags, to be honest, and have not once filled everything up with meaningful items/gear.
Do you do housing/furnishing?
No, ESO plus member w/ no house, not sure what kind of difference that makes within the conversation.
Storage options.
I guess they figure that you'd want to spend an inordinate amount of real cash to buy fake cash to purchase storage options for overpriced housing that you had to spend a lot of real cash to buy fake cash to purchase so that you would have a place to put your storage options which are very limited in quantity necessitating you spend yet more real cash on fake cash to purchase more housing so that you can spend real cash to get fake cash to purchase more storage options for your limited storage space housing and so forth...
Oh I'm sure there was a scheme to make profit involved.
But you don't have to spend crowns. You can also buy them with vouchers or those things you get from Imperial City I believe. You can also get one from the level up rewards but I forget exactly which level it was. And if it's just some extra storage you want even the free room at the inn will suffice.Edited by Jeremy on April 26, 2019 6:59PM0 -
NordSwordnBoard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭wishlist14 wrote: »Stop being so self righteous. Just as pve players got one shot in pvp but wanted to get their Tharn pages and put up with the grief, so are pvpers entitled to do any dungeons. It's not their fault that they dont realise how difficult a dungeon can be...maybe they had done fungal grotto 1 on vet and then thought they could do another vet dungeon but didnt realise it would be so much harder.
Also note all the amazing helpful pro pvp players that kept the towns safe so questers could do their quests. Now pvers are going to shame pvpers?
Don't accuse players'motivations ....you don't know what their experience of pve is. It could have been an innocent misjudgement. It's great the players are having a go. If eso didnt want this then they would lock ppl out.
You could explain the situtation and give advice.
I play both so I can see both sides and this is a one off event...we work together ...
I've never heard of or met a PvPer that was in any way willing to help a PvEer trying to learn. Their only reaction seems to be to either ignore or to gank. There is no middle ground.
I do both PvP and PvE, and there is no self hatred because of it. My friends get advice from me frequently, in fact I spent time dueling a friend two nights ago to help demonstrate why sustain is important in PvP even if you can melt people fast.
Although we haven't met, you have now heard of a PvPer helping a PvE player practice and learn. I did not gank him or ignore him. There is middle ground. You have to understand helping a player in your dungeon group is going to be more productive than helping your opponent in Cyrodiil. Helping players of your own alliance? I constantly see the GMs of my PvP guilds offering gear runs and such to help improve how successful the group is in Cyrodiil.
I also helped a friend from PvP get his first skin in Malatar when it came out. He enthusiastically changed his setup for PvE, and we still busted his balls about the Aurorans spamming executioner like they were PvPers. His happiness at getting the skin was worth any frustrations we had during the run. The frustrations were the same for all of us, regardless of our preferred content.
Fear is the Mindkiller1 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭KappaKid83 wrote: »KappaKid83 wrote: »Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.
This game is the absolute worst game I have played, to date, in terms of switching skills, CP points, gear (no saved sets) and so on.
Not to mention lack of bag space.
I'm not surprised no one bothers and just charges in, in their PVP gear and set-up.
In fact, I'm surprised anyone doesn't do that.
You do realize there are plenty of addons for this right? Like CP Respec and Wykyd and Dressing Room for skill and gear changes on the fly... Also bag space is limited unless you buy it sure, but over the years of playing I have too much room in my bags, to be honest, and have not once filled everything up with meaningful items/gear.
Do you do housing/furnishing?
No, ESO plus member w/ no house, not sure what kind of difference that makes within the conversation.
Storage options.
I guess they figure that you'd want to spend an inordinate amount of real cash to buy fake cash to purchase storage options for overpriced housing that you had to spend a lot of real cash to buy fake cash to purchase so that you would have a place to put your storage options which are very limited in quantity necessitating you spend yet more real cash on fake cash to purchase more housing so that you can spend real cash to get fake cash to purchase more storage options for your limited storage space housing and so forth...
Oh I'm sure there was a scheme to make profit involved.
But you don't have to spend crowns. You can also buy them with vouchers or those things you get from Imperial City I believe. You can also get one from the level up rewards but I forget exactly which level it was. And if it's just some extra storage you want even the free room at the inn will suffice.
Dern it! Not even an option for us non-PvPers!
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KappaKid83✭✭✭✭✭KappaKid83 wrote: »Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.
You are 100% incorrect here, like really far off base.
You must be a PvPer who thinks they're awesome at PvE.
If that was true, then why are there a constant stream of this sort of thread?
Not even close to thinking I am awesome, this is where the toxicity starts is with your comments like this. I do my pledges, get my 35-45K dps and get my keys for my gear. I do not spout off about how great I am and never once have I in this thread(and to my knowledge in this forum). You also have to realize how many casuals play this game and do the same thing as these PVPers you are speaking of and ruin entire vet pledge runs. It is not a one way street that someone ruining a vet pledge with inferior gear/cp/skill is always going to be someone who only PVPs.
I have spent plenty of time in both aspects of this game, PVE and PVP both, as sometimes when you play a game for a lot of hours you get bored with one thing. This game just so happens to let you do one or the other and be able to switch back and forth on the same character to do them.
As far as the constant stream of threads, I am not sure what to tell you. Like in real life if you tell people "drama follow you" maybe it is not the drama maybe it is you. So all of these threads the last two weeks have been from PVE-centric players upset about Cyrodil and now upset about Pledges. So maybe, just maybe, instead of saying the toxicity is following you, maybe you're the toxicity and maybe you need to take a look at yourself and see what you can do to make things better, just a thought though.1 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭NordSwordnBoard wrote: »wishlist14 wrote: »Stop being so self righteous. Just as pve players got one shot in pvp but wanted to get their Tharn pages and put up with the grief, so are pvpers entitled to do any dungeons. It's not their fault that they dont realise how difficult a dungeon can be...maybe they had done fungal grotto 1 on vet and then thought they could do another vet dungeon but didnt realise it would be so much harder.
Also note all the amazing helpful pro pvp players that kept the towns safe so questers could do their quests. Now pvers are going to shame pvpers?
Don't accuse players'motivations ....you don't know what their experience of pve is. It could have been an innocent misjudgement. It's great the players are having a go. If eso didnt want this then they would lock ppl out.
You could explain the situtation and give advice.
I play both so I can see both sides and this is a one off event...we work together ...
I've never heard of or met a PvPer that was in any way willing to help a PvEer trying to learn. Their only reaction seems to be to either ignore or to gank. There is no middle ground.
I do both PvP and PvE, and there is no self hatred because of it. My friends get advice from me frequently, in fact I spent time dueling a friend two nights ago to help demonstrate why sustain is important in PvP even if you can melt people fast.
Although we haven't met, you have now heard of a PvPer helping a PvE player practice and learn. I did not gank him or ignore him. There is middle ground. You have to understand helping a player in your dungeon group is going to be more productive than helping your opponent in Cyrodiil. Helping players of your own alliance? I constantly see the GMs of my PvP guilds offering gear runs and such to help improve how successful the group is in Cyrodiil.
I also helped a friend from PvP get his first skin in Malatar when it came out. He enthusiastically changed his setup for PvE, and we still busted his balls about the Aurorans spamming executioner like they were PvPers. His happiness at getting the skin was worth any frustrations we had during the run. The frustrations were the same for all of us, regardless of our preferred content.
You're one of the "good" ones.
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KappaKid83✭✭✭✭✭KappaKid83 wrote: »KappaKid83 wrote: »Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.
This game is the absolute worst game I have played, to date, in terms of switching skills, CP points, gear (no saved sets) and so on.
Not to mention lack of bag space.
I'm not surprised no one bothers and just charges in, in their PVP gear and set-up.
In fact, I'm surprised anyone doesn't do that.
You do realize there are plenty of addons for this right? Like CP Respec and Wykyd and Dressing Room for skill and gear changes on the fly... Also bag space is limited unless you buy it sure, but over the years of playing I have too much room in my bags, to be honest, and have not once filled everything up with meaningful items/gear.
Do you do housing/furnishing?
No, ESO plus member w/ no house, not sure what kind of difference that makes within the conversation.
lol.
I was genuinely asking what that changes, like do you have to carry housing items in your bag at all times, I just don't know since it is not something I do.0 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭KappaKid83 wrote: »KappaKid83 wrote: »Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.
You are 100% incorrect here, like really far off base.
You must be a PvPer who thinks they're awesome at PvE.
If that was true, then why are there a constant stream of this sort of thread?
Not even close to thinking I am awesome, this is where the toxicity starts is with your comments like this. I do my pledges, get my 35-45K dps and get my keys for my gear. I do not spout off about how great I am and never once have I in this thread(and to my knowledge in this forum). You also have to realize how many casuals play this game and do the same thing as these PVPers you are speaking of and ruin entire vet pledge runs. It is not a one way street that someone ruining a vet pledge with inferior gear/cp/skill is always going to be someone who only PVPs.
I have spent plenty of time in both aspects of this game, PVE and PVP both, as sometimes when you play a game for a lot of hours you get bored with one thing. This game just so happens to let you do one or the other and be able to switch back and forth on the same character to do them.
As far as the constant stream of threads, I am not sure what to tell you. Like in real life if you tell people "drama follow you" maybe it is not the drama maybe it is you. So all of these threads the last two weeks have been from PVE-centric players upset about Cyrodil and now upset about Pledges. So maybe, just maybe, instead of saying the toxicity is following you, maybe you're the toxicity and maybe you need to take a look at yourself and see what you can do to make things better, just a thought though.
Then those casuals are idiots.
I readily admit to being a PvE casual. I know my limitations and would never, ever do the things that are being claimed to be done in this thread.
What is wrong with people!1 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭KappaKid83 wrote: »KappaKid83 wrote: »KappaKid83 wrote: »Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.
This game is the absolute worst game I have played, to date, in terms of switching skills, CP points, gear (no saved sets) and so on.
Not to mention lack of bag space.
I'm not surprised no one bothers and just charges in, in their PVP gear and set-up.
In fact, I'm surprised anyone doesn't do that.
You do realize there are plenty of addons for this right? Like CP Respec and Wykyd and Dressing Room for skill and gear changes on the fly... Also bag space is limited unless you buy it sure, but over the years of playing I have too much room in my bags, to be honest, and have not once filled everything up with meaningful items/gear.
Do you do housing/furnishing?
No, ESO plus member w/ no house, not sure what kind of difference that makes within the conversation.
lol.
I was genuinely asking what that changes, like do you have to carry housing items in your bag at all times, I just don't know since it is not something I do.
I actually sell most of them that I get.
Honestly, what do I need with a pile of seaweed.
And if it's bound, I just destroy it.1 -
KappaKid83✭✭✭✭✭KappaKid83 wrote: »KappaKid83 wrote: »Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.
This game is the absolute worst game I have played, to date, in terms of switching skills, CP points, gear (no saved sets) and so on.
Not to mention lack of bag space.
I'm not surprised no one bothers and just charges in, in their PVP gear and set-up.
In fact, I'm surprised anyone doesn't do that.
You do realize there are plenty of addons for this right? Like CP Respec and Wykyd and Dressing Room for skill and gear changes on the fly... Also bag space is limited unless you buy it sure, but over the years of playing I have too much room in my bags, to be honest, and have not once filled everything up with meaningful items/gear.
Do you do housing/furnishing?
No, ESO plus member w/ no house, not sure what kind of difference that makes within the conversation.
Storage options.
I guess they figure that you'd want to spend an inordinate amount of real cash to buy fake cash to purchase storage options for overpriced housing that you had to spend a lot of real cash to buy fake cash to purchase so that you would have a place to put your storage options which are very limited in quantity necessitating you spend yet more real cash on fake cash to purchase more housing so that you can spend real cash to get fake cash to purchase more storage options for your limited storage space housing and so forth...
Understandable, I guess I have never bought anything with crowns that wasn't a mount or an expansion so I wouldn't know how this works. I did a lot of zone grinding back when One Tamriel came out and made a lot of gold selling set pieces of desired sets. In turn I bought more bag/bank space and only used my ESO Plus membership on crown crates and mounts I wanted.0 -
ArenGesus✭✭✭✭✭It's funny that this conversation is still going on. It's not a PVP vs. PVE issue. It's just a couple of knuckleheads who joined a vet dungeon when they can't hang. Happens all the time, regardless of whether they focus on PVP or PVE. If you're good at PVP then you're probably also reasonably good at PVE, for a number of reasons. But these guys probably just suck at both.
Being of high alliance rank isn't an indicator of skill, in the same way that high CP isn't. People should get over the division between PVP/PVE because it really is meaningless. Remove the alliance rank from these guys and the same post would have gone up but it would have been about high CPers sucking in vet dungeons. Happens every day.3 -
oddbasket✭✭✭✭✭
✭This week in vet dungeons has been weird...
I've had a vet dungeon group with barely any dps.. where both dps used zero aoe skills, runs from add spawns during boss fights because they get overwhelmed and die. The tank had to kill the adds in the boss fight in order to win because I'm the only one with aoes and the boss fights just drags bloody long..0 -
KappaKid83✭✭✭✭✭KappaKid83 wrote: »KappaKid83 wrote: »Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.
You are 100% incorrect here, like really far off base.
You must be a PvPer who thinks they're awesome at PvE.
If that was true, then why are there a constant stream of this sort of thread?
Not even close to thinking I am awesome, this is where the toxicity starts is with your comments like this. I do my pledges, get my 35-45K dps and get my keys for my gear. I do not spout off about how great I am and never once have I in this thread(and to my knowledge in this forum). You also have to realize how many casuals play this game and do the same thing as these PVPers you are speaking of and ruin entire vet pledge runs. It is not a one way street that someone ruining a vet pledge with inferior gear/cp/skill is always going to be someone who only PVPs.
I have spent plenty of time in both aspects of this game, PVE and PVP both, as sometimes when you play a game for a lot of hours you get bored with one thing. This game just so happens to let you do one or the other and be able to switch back and forth on the same character to do them.
As far as the constant stream of threads, I am not sure what to tell you. Like in real life if you tell people "drama follow you" maybe it is not the drama maybe it is you. So all of these threads the last two weeks have been from PVE-centric players upset about Cyrodil and now upset about Pledges. So maybe, just maybe, instead of saying the toxicity is following you, maybe you're the toxicity and maybe you need to take a look at yourself and see what you can do to make things better, just a thought though.
Then those casuals are idiots.
I readily admit to being a PvE casual. I know my limitations and would never, ever do the things that are being claimed to be done in this thread.
What is wrong with people!
Agreed with people being idiots here. I think this anniversary event has brought back a lot of players in the 200-400 CP range using outdated gear and CP setups that are generally ruining play experience for those of us who understand our roles and have somewhat up to date/optimal setups.0 -
MrBrownstone✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'd like to answer some of the questions here.
Why do I pug a Vet Dungeon? Because I like teaching the mechanics to people that are new to that dungeon. However I can't fix it if tank can't take a hit and dds can't deal damage. Also, I mostly get matched with people that know their thing and it goes smooth. My pug experiences are nice most of the time, it's just that this time it was really obvious that some PvP-only players were there without a clue.
Why do I queue for Veteran since Normal gives reward boxes anyway? Because my healer still needs some Undaunted levels, which are best obtained from vDungeon achievements.2 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KappaKid83 wrote: »KappaKid83 wrote: »Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.
This game is the absolute worst game I have played, to date, in terms of switching skills, CP points, gear (no saved sets) and so on.
Not to mention lack of bag space.
I'm not surprised no one bothers and just charges in, in their PVP gear and set-up.
In fact, I'm surprised anyone doesn't do that.
You do realize there are plenty of addons for this right? Like CP Respec and Wykyd and Dressing Room for skill and gear changes on the fly... Also bag space is limited unless you buy it sure, but over the years of playing I have too much room in my bags, to be honest, and have not once filled everything up with meaningful items/gear.
Do you do housing/furnishing?
No, ESO plus member w/ no house, not sure what kind of difference that makes within the conversation.
Storage options.
I guess they figure that you'd want to spend an inordinate amount of real cash to buy fake cash to purchase storage options for overpriced housing that you had to spend a lot of real cash to buy fake cash to purchase so that you would have a place to put your storage options which are very limited in quantity necessitating you spend yet more real cash on fake cash to purchase more housing so that you can spend real cash to get fake cash to purchase more storage options for your limited storage space housing and so forth...
Oh I'm sure there was a scheme to make profit involved.
But you don't have to spend crowns. You can also buy them with vouchers or those things you get from Imperial City I believe. You can also get one from the level up rewards but I forget exactly which level it was. And if it's just some extra storage you want even the free room at the inn will suffice.
Dern it! Not even an option for us non-PvPers!
Back to cash... grump... grump... grump...
You can use the vouchers you get from doing the crafting master writs (that's how I got mine). And there is the one you get from the level up achievement. But yeah, if you wanted to go the tel var route you would have to PvP... and in Imperial City at that. I'd probably spend crowns before I did that as well. lol1 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭OK, just to clarify, you have an impossible choice, if you furnish (a lot).
There are a lot of different furnishings.
You, typically, don't use them all at once, as soon as you get them, but some are bound to you and others you want to keep, for future projects.
You can store them in your (spare) houses, or you can store them in your bags/bank/storage.
If you do the former, you;
a) Lose housing space (often multiple houses of it) to warehousing furnishings.
I have 35 houses and three of them are, currently, being used as warehouses.
b) Cannot access any of those furnishings, to use, unless you travel to your (multiple) warehouses first and put the items in your bag/bank.
If you do the latter, you obviously don't lose as many houses to storage and you can can then access the furnishings directly, to use in a house you are decorating.
However, you then chew through huge amounts of (very limited) bag/bank/storage container space.
We desperately need a furnishings bag (like a craft bag, but for furnishings).Edited by Tigerseye on April 26, 2019 7:15PM0 -
Sanguinor2✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It is Kind of hillarious how much prejudice is going on on both sides of this. The high Level PvPers are generally good at PvE and vice versa its the People that come unprepared that are bad at both. I do both high MMR bgs, smallscale (tho not so often anymore) and have all hm Trials cleared and a lot of the People I run pve with are very good PvPers too and same is true for the PvPers (atleast if they actually bother doing some PvE).Politeness is respecting others.
Courage is doing what is fair.
Modesty is speaking of oneself without vanity.
Self control is keeping calm even when anger rises.
Sincerity is expressing oneself without concealing ones thoughts.
Honor is keeping ones word.4 -
KappaKid83✭✭✭✭✭MrBumblefoot wrote: »I'd like to answer some of the questions here.
Why do I pug a Vet Dungeon? Because I like teaching the mechanics to people that are new to that dungeon. However I can't fix it if tank can't take a hit and dds can't deal damage. Also, I mostly get matched with people that know their thing and it goes smooth. My pug experiences are nice most of the time, it's just that this time it was really obvious that some PvP-only players were there without a clue.
Why do I queue for Veteran since Normal gives reward boxes anyway? Because my healer still needs some Undaunted levels, which are best obtained from vDungeon achievements.
I also PUG most of my Vet Dungeons, at least the non-DLC ones and like to explain what i can. I also need gear, I mean we always need gear just in case we are going to level that X Class in Magicka/Stam and that one set is really OP on it right now, amirite?
To add to this whole people with high levels of PVP are just trolling PVEers thing. I know a HEALER who runs with a pretty prominent group in Cyrodil who is grand overlord and she heals without a resto staff on either bar and wonders why her healing output is junk. So PVP level does not always equal common game sense.0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OK, just to clarify, you have an impossible choice, if you furnish (a lot).
There are a lot of different furnishings.
You, typically, don't use them all at once, as soon as you get them, but some are bound to you and others you want to keep, for future projects.
You can store them in your (spare) houses, or you can store them in your bags/bank/storage.
If you do the former, you;
a) Lose housing space (often multiple houses of it) to warehousing furnishings.
I have 35 houses and three of them are, currently, being used as warehouses.
b) Cannot access any of those furnishings, to use, unless you travel to your (multiple) warehouses first and put the items in your bag/bank.
If you do the latter, you obviously don't lose as many houses to storage and you can can then access the furnishings directly, to use in a house you are decorating.
However, you obviously then chew through huge amounts of (very limited) bag/bank/storage container space.
We desperately need a furnishings bag (like a craft bag, but for furnishings).
Hoarding furniture can overwhelm your inventory faster than anything else. My Psijic Manor for example is little more than a glorified warehouse. So I can relate to what you are talking about.
But storage chests shouldn't contribute to this problem. They don't take up inventory space and are considered "collectible furnishings" that are stored the same way mementos and costumes are. They can also be shared across all your houses. I know you likely know this already. But I just wanted to point this out as a benefit to others who are reading this and considering trying out a storage chest.0