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Just kicked 2 players from a dungeon
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phileunderx2✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm all for kicking fake tanks and healers. I have no problem carrying someone if they are actually trying to heal or tank and it isn't essential to completing the content.2 -
KappaKid83✭✭✭✭✭I think realistically any higher level PVPer who has skill is going to be servicable at WORST in pledges. We all have a ton of gear sets from having to farm so much PVE to be competitive in PVP which in turn means there is a lot of time spent in dungeons with the correct setups. Are there people who are trolling, most likely, are all PVPers trolling, no.3 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭furiouslog wrote: »If the objective is the box, why are people doing the dungeons on vet in the first place? A 50CP160 PvPer can handle a normal without issue. You get the box either way. Am I missing something?
and this is mainly about this in this thread, OP was for vet dung - pledge and to this event box was additional and for which bos those pvp fake roles have queued for vet DLC dung which you really need exp and knowledge about mechanics to do this dung and here came pvp player who was knowing nothing about good pve into this vet dlc dung isntead of jsut normal as for this event
that what was said for normal most people dont care with who they run, normal can be done with even 4 tanks on dps whiel many people still run pledges here so they run on vet and here we have many noobs, players knowking nothing about pve queuing straight on vet content istead of normal with hope rest group would struggle to carry them idk why if mainly they want just to run for event box0 -
TheBonesXXX✭✭✭✭✭
✭My healer has Olorime and Swift on it with sanc jewelry/weapons.
Problem solved.0 -
tgrippa✭✭✭✭✭I agree that PVPers (I’m one of them) should wear PVE gear if they’re going to run vet dungeons.
However, I’m absolutely LOL’ing at the hypocrisy of PVEers in general. They feel it’s not “fair” that they should be expected to wear PVP gear in Cyrodiil, and think the big mean PVPers should leave them alone while questing, but have no qualms kicking PVPers from dungeons because they’re not wearing PVE gear.........
TBH what did you expect. It’s a game populated by people who spend hours upon hours playing it and doing nothing else, and these people will inevitably get bored and find other things to do, like griefing “questres” [sic].
Of course this was going to happen, it probably wouldn’t have if PvP week had gone differently and everyone was courteous to each other. A few no-lifers ruined it for the majority and caused the bad feeling intentionally, and now some of the PvE population will look for revenge.
Next year, maybe people will behave differently and the event will be a positive one.
Until then, it’s just a game, and I will happily participate in the vendetta, even though I have skipped this event since brain dead fetch quests are not my thing. 10K bounties for any and all PvP kicks on PC EU provided adequate proof is submitted.
You get a bounty, and you get a bounty, EVERYBODY GETS BOUNTIES!
G’Day!
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LOL, what do you mean NOW PVEers will get their revenge? PVEers have been kicking PVPers from dungeons for not wearing meta gear since this game started. Why have a silly “vendetta” because YOU refused to prepare yourself for a PVP zone? If you don’t want to get ganked in PVP, you need to wear appropriate PVP gear. Seriously, ALL you guys had to do was throw on 5pc Pariah, 5pc heavy Fortified Brass, 2pc Chudan/Pirate, all in impen, and you could have face tanked every wannabe ganker or door sieger.
You want to know why people targeted PVEers? It’s because there are dailies to KILL X NUMBER OF PLAYERS, and PVEers made themselves easy targets by REFUSING to gear up appropriately for a PVP environment. And yet you’re so entitled that you take pleasure in kicking PVPers from dungeons because they’re not geared appropriately and think you’re justified in doing so, because you got killed in a PVP environment while wearing PVE gear.
The hypocrisy, I tell you...
Hey, I’m just the guy with the gold!
I am very curious though as to why you took it so personally? Also, why you are so sure that I go into PvP without a proper setup. I think you are getting me confused with a different TG.
After all, dressing room is a great addon.
I am right though, this will never stop and it is a part of the game. Human nature. PvP will ree about PvE and vice versa.
So might as well take it for what it is, a part of the game, and join in the fun.
Btw, thank you for the salt, my popcorn was a bit flavourless.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)Edited by tgrippa on April 26, 2019 5:36PMPCEU
heh.
heh.8 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MrBumblefoot wrote: »So I just entered Veteran Frostvault with my healer. Tank had 25k hp and a 2H. One of the DDs had 1h&Shield. We couldn't get past the first boss. When I saw PvE players talking about kicking PvP players from dungeons last week, I just thought that it was a joke (because from my perspective, most of the PvP players are good at PvE anyway) but apparently this is a thing indeed, those group members also had high Alliance Rank so I guess it's true that there are PvP players that suck in PvE. Maybe don't join Veteran next time? Normal difficulty pledges give the reward box anyway.
I play both PvP and PvE frequently and I don't think it's too hard to do both. It's your decision to dedicate yourself to only one of them but then act accordingly. Those PvE players complaining about Cyrodiil were ridiculous enough and now we get this? At least PvE players' complains didn't affect my in-game experience but now this is going to affect me. Don't join Veteran DLC Dungeons if you're clueless.
It's not a joke. It's always been a real thing and often happens during the undaunted event. You have players in PvP builds attempting to do dungeons - often veteran dungeons - and sometimes it doesn't end so well as a result.
I also don't believe the comparison to the Cyrodil event last week is a good one. In Cyrodil - PvE players running PvE quests in towns did not negatively impact PvP players in any fashion. It did not prevent them being able to conquer a keep or to expand their forces on the map. Where as players sporting PvP builds can and often do prevent groups from being able to complete veteran PvE content. So in my in mind, PvE players who were just trying to participate in last week's event and complaining about being so brutally targeted have a much stronger argument in their favor. So I don't believe their complaints were "ridiculous".Edited by Jeremy on April 26, 2019 5:55PM5 -
Silver_Strider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ESO is a cesspool of entitlement, hypocrisy and toxicity. Maybe one day, we'll all be civil and the playerbase will improve to a point that "bad" player isn't synonymous with "inexperienced" player but today is not that day.Argonian forever6 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭PvPer brings PvP build into group content and impedes others’ progress in dungeon. The group is allowed to get rid of the problem player. The problem player is still allowed to go into the dungeon solo and clear it where they will have no effect on anyone else, it’s impossible to prevent someone from participating.
PvEer brings PvE build into Cyrodiil and has no effect on the campaign results while doing town dailies. The unaffected players are allowed to impede those players’ progress with impunity and prevent them from participating.
Sounds like in both cases it’s the “PvP” problem, only now people can actually remove someone who’s negatively affecting the group.Edited by Jhalin on April 26, 2019 5:59PM8 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PvPer brings PvP build into group content and impedes others’ progress in dungeon. The group is allowed to get rid of the problem player. The problem player is still allowed to go into the dungeon solo and clear it where they will have no effect on anyone else, it’s impossible to prevent someone from participating.
PvEer brings PvE build into Cyrodiil and has no effect on the campaign results while doing town dailies. The unaffected players are allowed to impede those players’ progress with impunity and prevent them from participating.
Sounds like in both cases it’s the “PvP” problem, only now people can actually remove someone who’s negatively affecting the group.
Well said.
You basically made the point I was trying to make, but in a clearer fashion.Edited by Jeremy on April 26, 2019 5:59PM2 -
furiouslog✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭furiouslog wrote: »If the objective is the box, why are people doing the dungeons on vet in the first place? A 50CP160 PvPer can handle a normal without issue. You get the box either way. Am I missing something?
and this is mainly about this in this thread, OP was for vet dung - pledge and to this event box was additional and for which bos those pvp fake roles have queued for vet DLC dung which you really need exp and knowledge about mechanics to do this dung and here came pvp player who was knowing nothing about good pve into this vet dlc dung isntead of jsut normal as for this event
that what was said for normal most people dont care with who they run, normal can be done with even 4 tanks on dps whiel many people still run pledges here so they run on vet and here we have many noobs, players knowking nothing about pve queuing straight on vet content istead of normal with hope rest group would struggle to carry them idk why if mainly they want just to run for event box
I would get why a PvPer would join vet to take advantage of the numerous pledge runs being made to get the boxes, hoping to get carried so they can farm their set or something, and if that's the sense I had, I guess I'd kick them too if it was clearly going to undermine success. But if a PvPer wants boxes, just go normal, and kicking wouldn't happen, and no one would be upset. You can't have your cake and eat it too, (except of course during this event, I guess, because it keeps respawning when I click it).0 -
frostz417✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This is why I have separate pve characters and separate PvP characters. I will never burden others to carrying my PvP characters through a dungeon ever. If I even think of bringing a PvP character into a dungeon you bet your ass I’m going to respec into pve and slap on some pve gear. It’s a shame pvp’ers do things like this.1 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.1 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think booting anyone from a Group Finder PUG for performance reasons is pretty toxic. If you join a PUG, you should do your very best to make it work. Otherwise, stick to playing with your friends.
I say that as someone who doesn't use the Group Finder because I'm not prepared to deal with a PUG.
So many players are unwilling to own their decisions. If you go to Cyro, you might get ganked. If you join a pug, it might suck.
So if someone joins a group and is unprepared to fill their role, the group should carry them. By that reasoning, if someone enters Cyro and is not prepared for PvP, other should give them a break.
If the individual makes it clear that they are learning and could use a carry to get the experience, I don't think it's a problem. Pretending to be something you're not and expecting to be carried is the problem.1 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭wishlist14 wrote: »Stop being so self righteous. Just as pve players got one shot in pvp but wanted to get their Tharn pages and put up with the grief, so are pvpers entitled to do any dungeons. It's not their fault that they dont realise how difficult a dungeon can be...maybe they had done fungal grotto 1 on vet and then thought they could do another vet dungeon but didnt realise it would be so much harder.
Also note all the amazing helpful pro pvp players that kept the towns safe so questers could do their quests. Now pvers are going to shame pvpers?
Don't accuse players'motivations ....you don't know what their experience of pve is. It could have been an innocent misjudgement. It's great the players are having a go. If eso didnt want this then they would lock ppl out.
You could explain the situtation and give advice.
I play both so I can see both sides and this is a one off event...we work together ...
I've never heard of or met a PvPer that was in any way willing to help a PvEer trying to learn. Their only reaction seems to be to either ignore or to gank. There is no middle ground.6 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭MrBumblefoot wrote: »Oh and btw I don't get this whole "PvPers and PvErs" separation. Why don't you just enjoy the game as a whole? I mostly play with my irl friends and the first thing we do after entering the game is Daily Dungeon & Battlegrounds. I mean I don't get all the hate towards any of these.
PvPers can take their time to learn about mechanics and do some dps parses to improve.
PvErs can stop being so afraid of getting killed by an actual player instead of AI and accept the fact that this is a game and losing a battle has no actual consequences.
Some mandatory PvE skills are locked behind PvP and some (many) mandatory PvP gear is locked behind PvE. It's almost like ZOS wants players to experience both PvP and PvE.
You have IRL friends? You're lucky.
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Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I don't PVP, in this game, but normally it's that PVPers don't have the best gear, or build, for PVE.
Not that they're worse players, in terms of reacting to situations; because, normally, the reverse is true.1 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭this is not new, the PVE'rs have been doing this for YEARs to us pvp players.
we hated it, and we even got hate whispers, but we never complained.
it will get worse now with that new dps tool, people will make lists about your numbers and you will be booted as soon they see u dont have the numbers they like. they just look up your name on a huge spread sheet online.
i think it not good for eso as a whole.
On the other hand, we PvEers HATE you PvPers anyway and, from what I see here on the forums, the feeling is mutual.
I wonder if somebody who does both hates themselves or if they cancel each other out.
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UrQuan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭People who primarily PVP are usually worse at PVE than people who primarily PVE, especially if they're using their PVP gear and skill setups to PVE.
People who primarily PVE are usually worse at PVP than people who primarily PVP, especially if they're using their PVE gear and skill setups to PVP.
That's just the way it is. If you primarily PVE it's not a reason to badmouth PVPers. If you primarily PVP it's not a reason to badmouth PVEers. There's also no excuse for unprepared PVPers to jump into vet DLC dungeons and expect to be carried, just as there's no excuse for unprepared PVEers to jump into Cyrodiil or battlegrounds and expect to not get wrecked.
If a PVPer jumps into dungeons and is willing to try and learn how to do their role in the dungeon well, then PVEers should respect that and help them. Likewise, if a PVEer jumps into Cyrodiil or battlegrounds and is willing to try and learn how to PVP, then PVPers (well, the ones on their side anyway) should respect that and help them.
There's no need for people to be *** to people who primarily do different content from them, unless those people are themselves being ***. PVPers who grief PVEers who've done nothing wrong aside from not being that interested in PVP are terrible people. PVEers who grief PVPers who've done nothing wrong aside from not being that interested in PVE are terrible people.
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KappaKid83✭✭✭✭✭This is why I have separate pve characters and separate PvP characters. I will never burden others to carrying my PvP characters through a dungeon ever. If I even think of bringing a PvP character into a dungeon you bet your ass I’m going to respec into pve and slap on some pve gear. It’s a shame pvp’ers do things like this.
This, all of this. You will not find the kind of behavior that OP outlines out of an experienced PVP player because in turn an experienced PVP player has done all the PVE grinding needed for gear sets and has other gear sets and understands CP differences and skill morph differences. So to the people in here saying PVPers are the problem, swerve your thinking, the problem is a toxic player base as a whole.2 -
Agenericname✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This is why I have separate pve characters and separate PvP characters. I will never burden others to carrying my PvP characters through a dungeon ever. If I even think of bringing a PvP character into a dungeon you bet your ass I’m going to respec into pve and slap on some pve gear. It’s a shame pvp’ers do things like this.
PvEers do it. Why wouldn't PvPers?Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.
Some do, some dont. PvEers do the same thing. Its definitely not a PvE vs PvP thing.0 -
KappaKid83✭✭✭✭✭Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.
You are 100% incorrect here, like really far off base.Edited by KappaKid83 on April 26, 2019 6:25PM2 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭furiouslog wrote: »furiouslog wrote: »If the objective is the box, why are people doing the dungeons on vet in the first place? A 50CP160 PvPer can handle a normal without issue. You get the box either way. Am I missing something?
and this is mainly about this in this thread, OP was for vet dung - pledge and to this event box was additional and for which bos those pvp fake roles have queued for vet DLC dung which you really need exp and knowledge about mechanics to do this dung and here came pvp player who was knowing nothing about good pve into this vet dlc dung isntead of jsut normal as for this event
that what was said for normal most people dont care with who they run, normal can be done with even 4 tanks on dps whiel many people still run pledges here so they run on vet and here we have many noobs, players knowking nothing about pve queuing straight on vet content istead of normal with hope rest group would struggle to carry them idk why if mainly they want just to run for event box
I would get why a PvPer would join vet to take advantage of the numerous pledge runs being made to get the boxes, hoping to get carried so they can farm their set or something, and if that's the sense I had, I guess I'd kick them too if it was clearly going to undermine success. But if a PvPer wants boxes, just go normal, and kicking wouldn't happen, and no one would be upset. You can't have your cake and eat it too, (except of course during this event, I guess, because it keeps respawning when I click it).
as I wrote..for normal you need nothing special, can be done by anyone so kicking is no needded here but on vet there are going problems where people go as "tank" and they are unable to tank bosses, as "dps" they are doing same dps which is doing exp tank or lower and there is no place for those players which are unable to do their role in vet dung but people still queue for this runing otheres time and run hoping they will got carry by rest o team0 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.
This game is the absolute worst game I have played, to date, in terms of switching skills, CP points, gear (no saved sets) and so on.
Not to mention lack of bag space.
I'm not surprised if no one bothers and if most PVPers just charge in, in their PVP gear and set-up.Edited by Tigerseye on April 26, 2019 6:31PM2 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.
This game is the absolute worst game I have played, to date, in terms of switching skills, CP points, gear (no saved sets) and so on.
Not to mention lack of bag space.
I'm not surprised no one bothers and just charges in, in their PVP gear and set-up.
In fact, I'm surprised anyone doesn't do that.
There is storage options now so it's not as difficult to store extra gear sets as it once was.Edited by Jeremy on April 26, 2019 6:29PM0 -
KappaKid83✭✭✭✭✭Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.
This game is the absolute worst game I have played, to date, in terms of switching skills, CP points, gear (no saved sets) and so on.
Not to mention lack of bag space.
I'm not surprised no one bothers and just charges in, in their PVP gear and set-up.
In fact, I'm surprised anyone doesn't do that.
You do realize there are plenty of addons for this right? Like CP Respec and Wykyd and Dressing Room for skill and gear changes on the fly... Also bag space is limited unless you buy it sure, but over the years of playing I have too much room in my bags, to be honest, and have not once filled everything up with meaningful items/gear.0 -
UrQuan✭✭✭✭✭
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I PVP in PVE gear and setups. I get killed a lot. I don't complain about it because I know that the only thing keeping me from using an actual PVP setup in PVP (and therefore increasing my chances of survival and of killing other players) is my own laziness. On PC there are addons that make it very easy to switch between different gear, skill, and champion point setups. On console it's obviously a lot less convenient, though.Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.
This game is the absolute worst game I have played, to date, in terms of switching skills, CP points, gear (no saved sets) and so on.
Not to mention lack of bag space.
I'm not surprised no one bothers and just charges in, in their PVP gear and set-up.
In fact, I'm surprised anyone doesn't do that.
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Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.
It's a valid point.
I'm a PvE player. I work solo or give support to a group.
I am terrible at PvP. I know that.
PvE and PvP are two completely different animals.
PvEers may complain about getting ganked in PvP (lack of skill set), but PvPers refuse to adapt and expect to be carried in PvE.
Not sure why that is, but it is the way things work.
This game is the absolute worst game I have played, to date, in terms of switching skills, CP points, gear (no saved sets) and so on.
Not to mention lack of bag space.
I'm not surprised no one bothers and just charges in, in their PVP gear and set-up.
In fact, I'm surprised anyone doesn't do that.
There is storage options now so it's not as difficult to store extra gear sets as it once was.
Yeah, I have these "storage options" and I am still completely overwhelmed, almost all the time, despite only owning one set of gear that I use for my char.
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