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Just kicked 2 players from a dungeon
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I have no problem with pve or pvp builds in vet dungs if they "pull their wieght" or atleast do somewhat well at their role, however in some instances carrying people is either too long/time consuming, for example i was running vFG 2 yesterday as healer with a guildie (who i know does good dps) got put with a tank who didnt taunt for some of thd dung/didnt listen, dd didnt do much dame (i was doing 18% group damage as heal), i have no problem with people using pvp build as i know they can work, and i have no problem with people not being spectacular at their role, but do not que for vet content if you cant do it without luckily geeting qued with people who can carry you, tge rewards for event are same for vet/normal anyway
Ps sorry if this sounds ranty or like i hate these people, i appsoloutly dont but (although people likely disagree) but people having 0 communication/not playing roles well in vet dungs is not good for anyone, again no problem with "the people", also i am fine with being kicked from dungs also if i cannot do my role, but i dont que if im not 90% sure i can do that role
Also yeah not well worded/good grammer
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eliisra✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dunno about that. Majority of hopeless dd's and faketanks I encounter, weren't high PvP ranked players. They normally have a low to average PvP rank or no rank at all.
It's people that can't be bothered making a viable build for the role or people that don't know how to, that's so inefficient you need to replace them. The PvP rank isn't even a factor.
However, I've noticed some mild animosity against people with higher PvP ranks in dungeon pugs. Basically if you join a pug on a char with noticeably high PvP rank, people wont be as friendly at start and more likely start telling you what to do lol. They assume you PvP'ed so much you never had time to learn PvE I guess? Or they hate people with high PvP ranks in general, becuse of how they systematically farm AP.2 -
Dunno about that. Majority of hopeless dd's and faketanks I encounter, weren't high PvP ranked players. They normally have a low to average PvP rank or no rank at all.
It's people that can't be bothered making a viable build for the role or people that don't know how to, that's so inefficient you need to replace them. The PvP rank isn't even a factor.
However, I've noticed some mild animosity against people with higher PvP ranks in dungeon pugs. Basically if you join a pug on a char with noticeably high PvP rank, people wont be as friendly at start and more likely start telling you what to do lol. They assume you PvP'ed so much you never had time to learn PvE I guess? Or they hate people with high PvP ranks in general, becuse of how they systematically farm AP.
Yeah that is wrong i dont care what pvp rank/CP people are, they can/cant play their role in vet it is good for no one, but like you say prejudging them before you know what they are capable of is not the best0 -
IlCanis_LupuslI✭✭✭✭✭You are talking about pvp players in pvp equipment slotting themselves as tanks and hope to get a carry getting a justified kick.
I was talking about a pvp player in a fully golded out pve equipment and pulling more then his weight damage wise slotting himself as a dps getting kicked even before the dungeon starts by a pve player who thinks that 50k+ dps isn't enough for banished cells. Not comparable and it causes a lot of resentment towards pve players.
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mcagatayg✭✭✭✭DisgracefulMind wrote: »w00000w ur griefing the pvpers, how could u
Who wouldve thought LUL0 -
tgrippa✭✭✭✭✭OP, good work!
If you are on PC EU drop me a mail and I’ll give you 10k per PvPer kicked.
Will happily reward others similarly, provided you provide proof.
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Edit: Will be sending my first reward payment when I get home from work, GJ!Edited by tgrippa on April 26, 2019 12:29PMPCEU
heh.
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Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I agree that PVPers (I’m one of them) should wear PVE gear if they’re going to run vet dungeons.
However, I’m absolutely LOL’ing at the hypocrisy of PVEers in general. They feel it’s not “fair” that they should be expected to wear PVP gear in Cyrodiil, and think the big mean PVPers should leave them alone while questing, but have no qualms kicking PVPers from dungeons because they’re not wearing PVE gear.........11 -
FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭You’re running vet dungeons? Not this week, there’s no additional Anniversary box benefit from doing the vet versions.
If you haven’t done a load of dungeons (for whatever reason) then normal pledges will give you exactly the same Anniversry boxes.
No one should be complaining about group makeup in normal dungeons. They’re where everyone started.
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tgrippa✭✭✭✭✭I agree that PVPers (I’m one of them) should wear PVE gear if they’re going to run vet dungeons.
However, I’m absolutely LOL’ing at the hypocrisy of PVEers in general. They feel it’s not “fair” that they should be expected to wear PVP gear in Cyrodiil, and think the big mean PVPers should leave them alone while questing, but have no qualms kicking PVPers from dungeons because they’re not wearing PVE gear.........
TBH what did you expect. It’s a game populated by people who spend hours upon hours playing it and doing nothing else, and these people will inevitably get bored and find other things to do, like griefing “questres” [sic].
Of course this was going to happen, it probably wouldn’t have if PvP week had gone differently and everyone was courteous to each other. A few no-lifers ruined it for the majority and caused the bad feeling intentionally, and now some of the PvE population will look for revenge.
Next year, maybe people will behave differently and the event will be a positive one.
Until then, it’s just a game, and I will happily participate in the vendetta, even though I have skipped this event since brain dead fetch quests are not my thing. 10K bounties for any and all PvP kicks on PC EU provided adequate proof is submitted.
You get a bounty, and you get a bounty, EVERYBODY GETS BOUNTIES!
G’Day!
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Edited by tgrippa on April 26, 2019 12:39PMPCEU
heh.
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vamp_emily✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Nobody can kick me from a dungeon, I'm a little too smart to let them. I'm a PvP player too.
Anyways, can one of you PVE players create a thread and let us know when you will be hosting the "We love PvP players" event. I'm sure all those PvP players and I would appreciate it for not trolling you do during the event. I would love to be carried through all the hard trials for skins.
Thank you in advanced!
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So it was necessary to come to the forums and gloat about it.
These forums are becoming a cesspool of threads causing hate between players.
What ever happened to playing the game for enjoyment?10 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭this is not new, the PVE'rs have been doing this for YEARs to us pvp players.
we hated it, and we even got hate whispers, but we never complained.
it will get worse now with that new dps tool, people will make lists about your numbers and you will be booted as soon they see u dont have the numbers they like. they just look up your name on a huge spread sheet online.
i think it not good for eso as a whole.
ohh what a site reversal xDD
in pvpe even just before this we can unprepared for pvp questing in quest hubs pvers complaining about jsut campong on them in key places for quests
now we have pvpers complaining about being kicked from vet dungs by pvers because they are not prepared and without knowledge, exp how to do their role in VET dung and still queing into it xD
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Blood_again✭✭✭✭✭JumpmanLane wrote: »Who pugs dungeons lol.
I pug normals this week. Just to carry guys for box.
Inner fire, selfheal, 70-90% of group dmg. It is almost the same as solo, but 3 more happy dudes with their boxes. Worth it I think 9 -
Agenericname✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭vamp_emily wrote: »Nobody can kick me from a dungeon, I'm a little too smart to let them. I'm a PvP player too.
Anyways, can one of you PVE players create a thread and let us know when you will be hosting the "We love PvP players" event. I'm sure all those PvP players and I would appreciate it for not trolling you do during the event. I would love to be carried through all the hard trials for skins.
Thank you in advanced!
Probably not a "we love PvP players" event. How about a "I couldn't care less event?" The general premise, while a less catchy title, would be just run the dungeon and collect the loots.I had a Former Emperor that couldn't hold agro on enemies.
I ran vSCP the other day with a former emporer. First thing they said was "never done this before?" They were our tank.
I assumed they were there for the Zaans helm. It wasn't a pledge, we were just there farming jewelry and staves. A few brief explanations and we were trading helms with them.
The only real noteworthy thing to happen was they kept jumping. I'm used to seeing the DPS jump like that, but it's sort of funny watching the tank do it.2 -
Betty_Booms✭✭✭At least in PVE there are "training grounds" such as normal etc. When you get a beginner into BGs that has snagged a high MMR group (cause we all know how great it works) then the experience is enjoyable for no one.
I would probably take away the whole pvper/ pve er labels because many do both including myself. For pve its simply beginners trying to short cut higher content and they should be removed if they abuse the que mechanics.0 -
MooseKnuckles88✭✭✭✭IMO, the best solution is to run PvE events with a designated group, using the group finder is and should be a last resort. If one is interested in quickly getting exclusively event boxes then NORMAL dungeons should be ran for obvious reasons. If one is trying to do vet dungeons for anything more than just the event boxes you really should form a group and go. If one has plenty of time to kill and lots of patience then use the group finder for vet dungeons.0
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NordSwordnBoard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It’s a fallacy of to think most PvP players are good at PvE. Many bad PvE players go to PvP because they are bad.
It is also a fallacy to mix alliance rank with skill. Many players have gained a lot of AP via zergs and it merely takes longevity of that behavior to make it to high alliance ranks.
This is not to reflect on all PvP players. There are great PvP players and many are great at PvE. It’s just to say there are many bad players in both PvP and PvE.
That's funny, a common trope I hear from PvE players is how pvp is so awful (players, lag or both) that people go back to PvE. However, neither of us have anything other than anecdotal evidence to support this. Not trying to argue, my experience has generally been the opposite of yours.
I think the bad players that hide in a Zerg deflect the exposure that happens all the time in vet 4 player PvE content. Bad players just hide easier in PvP. They are typically just as proud of alliance rank or BG titles as people who got carried in Dragonstar and wear the title. I see little difference between the two, which makes the animosity they have towards each other hilarious to me.
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Dunning_Kruger✭✭✭✭The moral of the story is you can bring your PvE builds into Cyrodiil and do well, but you can't bring your PvP builds into Dungeons at all. Unless you're a DW or caster.
Stop being toxic and exploiting PvPers ; ZoS this is griefing.____________________________________
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Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I agree that PVPers (I’m one of them) should wear PVE gear if they’re going to run vet dungeons.
However, I’m absolutely LOL’ing at the hypocrisy of PVEers in general. They feel it’s not “fair” that they should be expected to wear PVP gear in Cyrodiil, and think the big mean PVPers should leave them alone while questing, but have no qualms kicking PVPers from dungeons because they’re not wearing PVE gear.........
TBH what did you expect. It’s a game populated by people who spend hours upon hours playing it and doing nothing else, and these people will inevitably get bored and find other things to do, like griefing “questres” [sic].
Of course this was going to happen, it probably wouldn’t have if PvP week had gone differently and everyone was courteous to each other. A few no-lifers ruined it for the majority and caused the bad feeling intentionally, and now some of the PvE population will look for revenge.
Next year, maybe people will behave differently and the event will be a positive one.
Until then, it’s just a game, and I will happily participate in the vendetta, even though I have skipped this event since brain dead fetch quests are not my thing. 10K bounties for any and all PvP kicks on PC EU provided adequate proof is submitted.
You get a bounty, and you get a bounty, EVERYBODY GETS BOUNTIES!
G’Day!
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LOL, what do you mean NOW PVEers will get their revenge? PVEers have been kicking PVPers from dungeons for not wearing meta gear since this game started. Why have a silly “vendetta” because YOU refused to prepare yourself for a PVP zone? If you don’t want to get ganked in PVP, you need to wear appropriate PVP gear. Seriously, ALL you guys had to do was throw on 5pc Pariah, 5pc heavy Fortified Brass, 2pc Chudan/Pirate, all in impen, and you could have face tanked every wannabe ganker or door sieger.
You want to know why people targeted PVEers? It’s because there are dailies to KILL X NUMBER OF PLAYERS, and PVEers made themselves easy targets by REFUSING to gear up appropriately for a PVP environment. And yet you’re so entitled that you take pleasure in kicking PVPers from dungeons because they’re not geared appropriately and think you’re justified in doing so, because you got killed in a PVP environment while wearing PVE gear.
The hypocrisy, I tell you...
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Jamdarius✭✭✭✭✭MrBumblefoot wrote: »So I just entered Veteran Frostvault with my healer. Tank had 25k hp and a 2H. One of the DDs had 1h&Shield. We couldn't get past the first boss. When I saw PvE players talking about kicking PvP players from dungeons last week, I just thought that it was a joke (because from my perspective, most of the PvP players are good at PvE anyway) but apparently this is a thing indeed, those group members also had high Alliance Rank so I guess it's true that there are PvP players that suck in PvE. Maybe don't join Veteran next time? Normal difficulty pledges give the reward box anyway.
I play both PvP and PvE frequently and I don't think it's too hard to do both. It's your decision to dedicate yourself to only one of them but then act accordingly. Those PvE players complaining about Cyrodiil were ridiculous enough and now we get this? At least PvE players' complains didn't affect my in-game experience but now this is going to affect me. Don't join Veteran DLC Dungeons if you're clueless.
Never PUG vet dungeon, I do not even PUG dlc normal dungeons, I always do those in trusted group of guild/friends members.
Don't misunderstand me I do not mind teaching some people about mechanics in vets however I would like to know in advance since I cannot always have time to do 1 boss per hour.2 -
MooseKnuckles88✭✭✭✭I agree that PVPers (I’m one of them) should wear PVE gear if they’re going to run vet dungeons.
However, I’m absolutely LOL’ing at the hypocrisy of PVEers in general. They feel it’s not “fair” that they should be expected to wear PVP gear in Cyrodiil, and think the big mean PVPers should leave them alone while questing, but have no qualms kicking PVPers from dungeons because they’re not wearing PVE gear.........
TBH what did you expect. It’s a game populated by people who spend hours upon hours playing it and doing nothing else, and these people will inevitably get bored and find other things to do, like griefing “questres” [sic].
Of course this was going to happen, it probably wouldn’t have if PvP week had gone differently and everyone was courteous to each other. A few no-lifers ruined it for the majority and caused the bad feeling intentionally, and now some of the PvE population will look for revenge.
Next year, maybe people will behave differently and the event will be a positive one.
Until then, it’s just a game, and I will happily participate in the vendetta, even though I have skipped this event since brain dead fetch quests are not my thing. 10K bounties for any and all PvP kicks on PC EU provided adequate proof is submitted.
You get a bounty, and you get a bounty, EVERYBODY GETS BOUNTIES!
G’Day!
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LOL, what do you mean NOW PVEers will get their revenge? PVEers have been kicking PVPers from dungeons for not wearing meta gear since this game started. Why have a silly “vendetta” because YOU refused to prepare yourself for a PVP zone? If you don’t want to get ganked in PVP, you need to wear appropriate PVP gear. Seriously, ALL you guys had to do was throw on 5pc Pariah, 5pc heavy Fortified Brass, 2pc Chudan/Pirate, all in impen, and you could have face tanked every wannabe ganker or door sieger.
You want to know why people targeted PVEers? It’s because there are dailies to KILL X NUMBER OF PLAYERS, and PVEers made themselves easy targets by REFUSING to gear up appropriately for a PVP environment. And yet you’re so entitled that you take pleasure in kicking PVPers from dungeons because they’re not geared appropriately and think you’re justified in doing so, because you got killed in a PVP environment while wearing PVE gear.
The hypocrisy, I tell you...
I'm about 75% pve player, 25% pvp player, and I agree with you.
To be fair people will always be immature, salty, arrogant, insert any like word between the two types groups. I agree that if you're in a pvp zone it would make sense to wear appropriate pvp gear or suffer the consequences, likewise in pve dungeons/trials it would make sense to wear the appropriate gear too. The only edge that pvp players have on pve players is the borderline exploit that have when they're spamming aoes, snares, and debuffs to anyone completely unaware as they load into a building, but it's not the end of the world when you die, you simply reload and go back and enter with a group or just travel to a different place and do the quests there even if it means traveling to another campaign.0 -
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✭✭✭✭NordSwordnBoard wrote: »It’s a fallacy of to think most PvP players are good at PvE. Many bad PvE players go to PvP because they are bad.
It is also a fallacy to mix alliance rank with skill. Many players have gained a lot of AP via zergs and it merely takes longevity of that behavior to make it to high alliance ranks.
This is not to reflect on all PvP players. There are great PvP players and many are great at PvE. It’s just to say there are many bad players in both PvP and PvE.
That's funny, a common trope I hear from PvE players is how pvp is so awful (players, lag or both) that people go back to PvE. However, neither of us have anything other than anecdotal evidence to support this. Not trying to argue, my experience has generally been the opposite of yours.
I think the bad players that hide in a Zerg deflect the exposure that happens all the time in vet 4 player PvE content. Bad players just hide easier in PvP. They are typically just as proud of alliance rank or BG titles as people who got carried in Dragonstar and wear the title. I see little difference between the two, which makes the animosity they have towards each other hilarious to me.
Pretty much this.1 -
azjuwelz✭✭✭✭MrBumblefoot wrote: »So I just entered Veteran Frostvault with my healer. Tank had 25k hp and a 2H. One of the DDs had 1h&Shield. We couldn't get past the first boss. When I saw PvE players talking about kicking PvP players from dungeons last week, I just thought that it was a joke (because from my perspective, most of the PvP players are good at PvE anyway) but apparently this is a thing indeed, those group members also had high Alliance Rank so I guess it's true that there are PvP players that suck in PvE. Maybe don't join Veteran next time? Normal difficulty pledges give the reward box anyway.
I play both PvP and PvE frequently and I don't think it's too hard to do both. It's your decision to dedicate yourself to only one of them but then act accordingly. Those PvE players complaining about Cyrodiil were ridiculous enough and now we get this? At least PvE players' complains didn't affect my in-game experience but now this is going to affect me. Don't join Veteran DLC Dungeons if you're clueless.
Never PUG vet dungeon, I do not even PUG dlc normal dungeons, I always do those in trusted group of guild/friends members.
Don't misunderstand me I do not mind teaching some people about mechanics in vets however I would like to know in advance since I cannot always have time to do 1 boss per hour.
Last night I only had an hour to play and I'd never done a group dungeon at all--I almost exclusively have been playing solo. I got my crafting out of the way (can't wait to reach CP160 and get out of the in-between hellhole), and then sent a hello to one of my guilds, casually mentioning that I hadn't done dungeons before and had a pledge for FG1. (obviously on Normal because I'm not an idiot).
I think it was only a minute or two later and I got a whisper invite to join a group. Five minutes later in the dungeon, and ten minutes after that it was completed, though I'm not sure how I kept drawing the aggro on the last boss. LOL didn't matter since I was used to self-buffing anyway.
Anyways, this quickly showed me that It's way easier to *communicate* and get a fast group together than try to mess with any random group finder.
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Kikke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »So a couple of divines pieces makes you awesome at PvE.
I see! lmao
No, but using proper gear/traits with a proper rotation with dots and spamable does.
The 2h and 1h/shield, running their 5 button 'oneshot' combo from PvP and cant understand why their DPS is not above 10k is where my line go.
- Normals, I dont care. You can be as bad as you want. I can solo those places anyway.
- Veterans. I do care. Stop wasting my time....Cleared Trials:
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"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »So a couple of divines pieces makes you awesome at PvE.
I see! lmao
No, but using proper gear/traits with a proper rotation with dots and spamable does.
The 2h and 1h/shield, running their 5 button 'oneshot' combo from PvP and cant understand why their DPS is not above 10k is where my line go.
- Normals, I dont care. You can be as bad as you want. I can solo those places anyway.
- Veterans. I do care. Stop wasting my time....
Funny, trash and bosses seem to die just fine for our PvP group.
Then again we aren't in it for speed as a difference in a few minutes to most of us isn't that important.6 -
Miswar✭✭✭✭✭Lol! You all might wake up and notice that these "noob" players have nothing to do with pvp nor pve.
They are just casuals who have no idea how to do pvp nor pve. Simple as that... this debate is a joke 3 -
furiouslog✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If the objective is the box, why are people doing the dungeons on vet in the first place? A 50CP160 PvPer can handle a normal without issue. You get the box either way. Am I missing something?2 -
BretonMage✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I don’t know why this is a PVP vs PVE thread. Some people are jerks, some are unprepared, some are great, most are average like me, and in an MMO (and in society) you get all kinds. Be kind where you can, and if you don't assume the worst of people, you will generally have a less stressful time.
The thing is, not everyone researches their roles (this is a game after all), so how are they supposed to know if they're optimally geared or not? And so what if they're not? It's kind to carry people sometimes, and if you don't have the time for it, you can always leave (as others have said in this thread).0