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Just kicked 2 players from a dungeon
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ccfeeling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OP is right , iI think booting anyone from a Group Finder PUG for performance reasons is pretty toxic. If you join a PUG, you should do your very best to make it work. Otherwise, stick to playing with your friends.
I say that as someone who doesn't use the Group Finder because I'm not prepared to deal with a PUG.
So many players are unwilling to own their decisions. If you go to Cyro, you might get ganked. If you join a pug, it might suck.
So if someone joins a group and is unprepared to fill their role, the group should carry them. By that reasoning, if someone enters Cyro and is not prepared for PvP, other should give them a break.
I agree your PVE part .
About the PVP part , I have never see it happen
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zyk✭✭✭✭✭
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That's your opinion. There are players who are good enough to tank well with DPS builds and players who are bad enough to tank poorly with a tank build.ManwithBeard9 wrote: »You mean just like the people that are queueing as an improper role for their build? You know, people that aren't doing their best intentionally?
When I still enjoyed PVE, I used to solo and duo vet content with DPS builds that most here would consider fake tanks.
If I was still into PVE, I would never join a PUG. I would find a guild of like-minded players and only play with them because I'm not prepared to deal with what you describe.
This is basically the same as the door camp issues. Everyone wants things to be streamlined *for them*. Take ownership of your problems. If you want to defeat a door camp, learn how and if you only want competent PVE groups, play with people you know.Edited by zyk on April 26, 2019 4:12AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭So if someone joins a group and is unprepared to fill their role, the group should carry them. By that reasoning, if someone enters Cyro and is not prepared for PvP, other should give them a break.
In both cases, it's about owning one's decisions. If you go to Cyro, be prepared for PVP. If you join a PUG, be prepared for incompetence. Both are par for the course.5 -
doomette✭✭✭✭✭
✭So if someone joins a group and is unprepared to fill their role, the group should carry them. By that reasoning, if someone enters Cyro and is not prepared for PvP, other should give them a break.
In both cases, it's about owning one's decisions. If you go to Cyro, be prepared for PVP. If you join a PUG, be prepared for incompetence. Both are par for the course.
Wouldn’t “owning your decision” more reasonably fall on the person getting kicked for queueing as a fake tank, especially in a vet dungeon?12 -
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✭✭Who pugs dungeons lol. I run all the content in the game with my friends. 4 MagDk’s in vet dungeons running full impen. lol. Who needs healers and tanks.5 -
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Like I said, what constitutes a fake tank is a matter of opinion. I know of elite PVE players who get kicked out of group finder groups by ignorant people because they don't have 50k health.Wouldn’t “owning your decision” more reasonably fall on the person getting kicked for queueing as a fake tank, especially in a vet dungeon?0 -
xF1REFL1x✭✭✭JumpmanLane wrote: »Who pugs dungeons lol. I run all the content in the game with my friends. 4 MagDk’s in vet dungeons running full impen. lol. Who needs healers and tanks.
As a PvE Tank... that hurts.. ;-(1 -
dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MrBumblefoot wrote: »Another dungeon:
This time a DD queued as a Tank for a VETERAN dungeon. The event is really fun...
This works in vet FG1!Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.0 -
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@idkThis is not to reflect on all PvP players. There are great PvP players and many are great at PvE. It’s just to say there are many bad players in both PvP and PvE.
That is a far cry from your previous recent posts on the subject.
It's almost like there is a somewhat reasonable person behind that online handle of yours after all.
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I mean, if they can’t hold aggro (talking generally, not specific to the OP) on a boss that indeed can be taunted should objectively qualify, right? If someone queues without even the proper skills to accomplish the most fundamental aspect of a tank and gets kicked, that’s the person who should “own their decision” right? Of course there are grey areas, and undoubtedly there are elitists with waaaaay too high standards for a random mishmash of people.
Like I said, what constitutes a fake tank is a matter of opinion. I know of elite PVE players who get kicked out of group finder groups by ignorant people because they don't have 50k health.Wouldn’t “owning your decision” more reasonably fall on the person getting kicked for queueing as a fake tank, especially in a vet dungeon?
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✭I would rather group with people who aren't very good but are nice over someone who is superb but is a total A-hole. I do not pug very often and if I do it is usually 3 of us picking up a random 4th. Whether someone is primarily a pve player or pvp player doesn't matter. Some people are really good at this game and some are terrible. I have seen max CP players that make you wonder how they got that far into the game and I have personally been in a group with a CP 162 who finished Fang Lair HM.DAGGERFALL COVENANTNA PCFormer Vehemence MemberOnistka Valerius <> Artemis Renault <> Gonk gra-Ugrash <> Karietta <> Zercon at-Rusa <> Genevieve Renault <> Ktaka <> Brenlyn Renault8 -
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✭✭✭I normally wouldnt do this, since im very anti elitist, but i have to agree with the OP on this one. If you are just there for the boxes and want to be mostly carried then run it on normal where you expect to have to do carries constantly.7 -
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@idkThis is not to reflect on all PvP players. There are great PvP players and many are great at PvE. It’s just to say there are many bad players in both PvP and PvE.
That is a far cry from your previous recent posts on the subject.
It's almost like there is a somewhat reasonable person behind that online handle of yours after all.
Your comment makes no sense. The comment seems to steam from some delusion since I have never said all pvp player were bad nor anything that contradicts what you have quoted.Edited by idk on April 26, 2019 5:02AM1 -
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✭✭So if someone joins a group and is unprepared to fill their role, the group should carry them. By that reasoning, if someone enters Cyro and is not prepared for PvP, other should give them a break.
In both cases, it's about owning one's decisions. If you go to Cyro, be prepared for PVP. If you join a PUG, be prepared for incompetence. Both are par for the course.
There's a subtle difference there. PvE people going for event boxes in Cyrodiil are solo players, nobody else depends on their performance, they're just doing a quest from an NPC, all by themselves. But PvE dungeon is a teamwork, and unlike questing in Cyro, there are three more people depending on your performance. So yes; PvE player is bad at PvP? Well, he can do this quest anyway. PvP player bad at PvE? Oops, he risks failing a run for his teammates too.19 -
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✭✭✭✭✭For the amount of time that most people put into this game it shouldn’t be hard to be at least competent in both areas (if you chose to do both) on your preferred role. I mean I can do pretty well in PvP including some 1vX, I can parse as a PvE dps pretty well self buffed/no supplied debuffs around 40k with good gear on a stam sorc and I’ve been healing for just a week or two now and most vet dungeons are pretty easy, I’ve even been thanked a few times for doing something obvious like tossing out shards. Okay, it might sound like I’m bragging but I’m regally not. My point is that there’s no excuse if you’ve been playing this game for a reasonable amount of time. All the information you’d ever need to properly play a class or role through most content is out there in droves. And yet you end up in vet dungeons with max CP “DPS” that are using light attacks and snipe as their rotation. One guy yesterday had a bow and Destro staff. I mean come on, I don’t care if your rotation isn’t perfect but take 5 minutes to find out what it should be and then just practice it. Sorry this rant is fueled by a couple of painful pug runs as a healer yesterday.Edited by Vapirko on April 26, 2019 5:06AM2 -
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✭✭✭Unless you really really want the helm, why are you doing vet dungeons in an event week? You know it attracts a whole lot of people looking for carries. Happens every time.
I had no idea it would be like this. Usually vet PUGs go well for me. But I tanked the 2 vet non-DLC pledges and we were swinging noodles. I called it a night and bailed on FG2 after like an hour of noodle waving and we weren't even at the final boss. I'm really over the Jubilee.2 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »Unless you really really want the helm, why are you doing vet dungeons in an event week? You know it attracts a whole lot of people looking for carries. Happens every time.
I had no idea it would be like this. Usually vet PUGs go well for me. But I tanked the 2 vet non-DLC pledges and we were swinging noodles. I called it a night and bailed on FG2 after like an hour of noodle waving and we weren't even at the final boss. I'm really over the Jubilee.
Same exact thing happened to me on vFG2. Had to call it on the first boss because the DPS and tank just weren’t even close. No rotation, no blocking, losing aggro etc.0 -
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✭✭Anti-elitist.... lol... Scrubs are the toxic lot. Expecting carries just because they grouped in a group finder.... nope... Carry your own weight. We never expect anything amazing.... Just, dont spam LAs and no abilities in veteran content and actually try to listen if someone tries to tell you mechanics you obviously struggle with.Cleared Trials:
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✭✭✭I think booting anyone from a Group Finder PUG for performance reasons is pretty toxic. If you join a PUG, you should do your very best to make it work. Otherwise, stick to playing with your friends.
I say that as someone who doesn't use the Group Finder because I'm not prepared to deal with a PUG.
So many players are unwilling to own their decisions. If you go to Cyro, you might get ganked. If you join a pug, it might suck.
So if someone joins a group and is unprepared to fill their role, the group should carry them. By that reasoning, if someone enters Cyro and is not prepared for PvP, other should give them a break.
I won't boot anyone for low dps, but I will leave the group if it looks like it will take over an hour for FG2.
It is very different in Cyro. Perhaps if you used BGs as the example, I might feel you have a point. In BGs, you can lose because of the weak link. In Dungeons, it can take an hour or you can just keep wiping if the weak links are bad enough. But Cyrodiil? Doesn't really matter. You just run around and find things that make sense for the group you have. And 10 minutes after you take a keep, someone takes it back. And you die 10 times in a siege but keep rezzing in forward camps until you take the fort. Yada yada yada.0 -
TaMmEh✭✭✭I got booted from a dungeon for not being able to keep up with the group last night, they were all so much faster and stronger than me and they booted me halfway through the final boss
It then took 3 hours to get back in a group to do the dungeon again as the dungeon finder kept removing me from the queue
I didnt even realise that you could be kicked out of a group and then to find out how close I was to finishing it was so frustrating
I dont expect to be carried, but wait for your team! PC - NA Server - Evanora of the East - DPS Templar 1401CP
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WuffyCerulei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭This be the reason I’m only doing this event on my tank, who’s actually geared and attributed as a tank. Ebon and Alkosh. Give people some reprieve with an actually decent experience.Sorcerer's pretty much been the same for years. Nerf Rush of Agony and Saints&Seducer's1 -
FlyingSwan✭✭✭✭✭I got booted from a dungeon for not being able to keep up with the group last night, they were all so much faster and stronger than me and they booted me halfway through the final boss
It then took 3 hours to get back in a group to do the dungeon again as the dungeon finder kept removing me from the queue
I didnt even realise that you could be kicked out of a group and then to find out how close I was to finishing it was so frustrating I dont expect to be carried, but wait for your team!
Yes, that is *** behaviour but it is rare. I tank a lot and I always check to see that the whole team is together, even if I am running normals just for a 'pledge quickie'.
I largely agree on the other stuff though. Whilst I won't kick someone for low DPS, I will politely leave, explaining why. I can't be bothered to stand there all day blocking while I wait for a pair of sub-10k DPS 2H swinging wombats to kill Warcheif Orzora (or whatever his name is), I can simply leave and do something more fruitful.Edited by FlyingSwan on April 26, 2019 6:05AM1 -
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✭✭My main character does a lot of pvp and he switches some skills and he's vetdungeon ready. The same toon has finished all dlc vet dungeons and a few normal trials."Knee-jerk reactionist."
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✭✭✭✭✭This isn't strictly a PvP thing, as it's a general problem by players.
Was running vICP, BEFORE this week's event. Zoned into the dungeon, and the tank says "Nope" in chat and bails.
So we clear trash as we wait up until the first boss. We get a tank....its a sorc streaking down the hallways at us.
Didn't think much of it at first...I've seen and played with some incredible sorc tanks.
But...sorc goes down after the first hit. I'm also on a sorc, getting all the aggro and trying to shield while they rez the "tank". Fake tank gets up....and immediately goes down again. Get the sorc up again...he doesn't die this time, but doesn't pull aggro. So I'm running around shielding like a maniac, because I constantly have aggro.
We kill the boss, after forever, and I type in chat "Fake tank...I'm sorry but I'm out. Good luck guys"
He responds "This build usually works"
Yeah buddy....sure it does.
This has nothing to do with the event or PvP players. It's a selfish player problem...full stop.
You can get away with that in MOST normal dungeons. Vet? No way.Edited by Kel on April 26, 2019 8:47AM8 -
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✭✭i don't care if you're pvp, pve, pvd or even pvc, if you join a vet and don't pull your weight..you're getting das boot, I mean if you want a carry just join a normal dungeon...those still drop the boxes when handed in.6 -
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✭✭Many bad PvE players go to PvP because they are bad.
Assuming that's true they won't last long on PvP either.
PvE is just about learning the mechanics. Once you know them (and everyone else know them too) it's quite easy.
PvP, on the other hand, you never know what to expect and it's way more challenging in every aspect.5
