Rework Soul Trap into a Magicka Execute?

TumlinTheJolly · April 2019

Currently nobody uses Soul Trap. It is a trash skill (used only for filling Soul Gems, which we get a ton of anyway) but is available to everybody.

Why not rework it into a magicka execute? That way there wouldn't be any changes to any of the major skills lines, and everybody would have access to a magicka exe.

Ideally you would make it a spammable exe, though you could just leave it as a dot (in which case it'd work a bit like a magi version of Poison Injection).

If you get the killing blow with it, it fills an empty Soul Gem. This way, you'll get that RP feel of securing their soul (as you secure the kill).

Thoughts?

wheem_ESO · April 2019

Sounds good to me. I doubt they'd want to make massive changes to the skill, but having it be a worthwhile DOT with an execute component - somewhat like Poison Injection - would probably work out.

TumlinTheJolly · April 2019

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Sounds good to me. I doubt they'd want to make massive changes to the skill, but having it be a worthwhile DOT with an execute component - somewhat like Poison Injection - would probably work out.

My thoughts... They don't like completely reworking skills! Though because it doesn't belong to much of a skill line, and nobody currently uses it, AND all players get it, it'd be THE perfect skill to rework if they did want to add a spammable mag exe. I can't see them adding a spammable mag exe to any major skill lines (e.g. Destro / Mages Guild) any time soon, as it'd really mess with the balance of those skill lines.

Wuuffyy · April 2019

Nooooo. It needs a nerf. It restores 10% of each resource on a kill

TumlinTheJolly · April 2019

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Nooooo. It needs a nerf. It restores 10% of each resource on a kill

Lol.

Wuuffyy · April 2019

TumlinTheJolly wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Nooooo. It needs a nerf. It restores 10% of each resource on a kill

Lol.

Nooooo this comment needs a nerf too!

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · April 2019

Make it a scaling dot, like poison injection and you got a deal.

pauli133 · April 2019

TumlinTheJolly wrote: »

Currently nobody uses Soul Trap.

I use Soul Trap, every day. It's not useful for serious content(TM), but it definitely is useful.

Wuuffyy · April 2019

pauli133 wrote: »

TumlinTheJolly wrote: »

Currently nobody uses Soul Trap.

I use Soul Trap, every day. It's not useful for serious content(TM), but it definitely is useful.

Nerf this guy too.

TumlinTheJolly · April 2019

pauli133 wrote: »

TumlinTheJolly wrote: »

Currently nobody uses Soul Trap.

I use Soul Trap, every day. It's not useful for serious content(TM), but it definitely is useful.

Interesting. In what scenarios do you use it? Genuine question, no BM!

Juhasow · April 2019

As a DoT execute it would just buff up those classes who already have executes. As a spammable execute it would proparbly disrupt balance between the classes so lot of rebalancing would be needed because of that.

wheem_ESO · April 2019

TumlinTheJolly wrote: »

pauli133 wrote: »

TumlinTheJolly wrote: »

Currently nobody uses Soul Trap.

I use Soul Trap, every day. It's not useful for serious content(TM), but it definitely is useful.

Interesting. In what scenarios do you use it? Genuine question, no BM!

Maybe to fill the empty Soul Gems he gets from doing Enchanting Writs?

Gilvoth · April 2019

and stamina

Faulgor · April 2019

Soul Trap is such an iconic skill of the Elder Scrolls series, I wish it was more useful, too. Making one morph an execute DoT like Poison Injection seems very fitting.

cpuScientist · April 2019

Execute dot like injection agrreeed!

SaintSubwayy · April 2019

and how am I supposed to fill up my 600 soulgems from crafting dailies???

its a niche skill, which is the only skill that fill this niche, so unless we get something else to fill soulgems, then NO

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · April 2019

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

and how am I supposed to fill up my 600 soulgems from crafting dailies???

its a niche skill, which is the only skill that fill this niche, so unless we get something else to fill soulgems, then NO

Did anyone say to take that part of the skill away?

TumlinTheJolly · April 2019

Juhasow wrote: »

As a DoT execute it would just buff up those classes who already have executes. As a spammable execute it would proparbly disrupt balance between the classes so lot of rebalancing would be needed because of that.

Yeah I agree that this may be an issue if it were a dot exe (though you'd still lose a bar slot when doubling up on exes, so it might be fine. Poison Injection already works like this and is in an OK state). I think this would be less of an issue if it were a spammable, as MagDK and Magden could really do with an exe for PvP. You just wouldn't want it to be strong to the point where other classes were regularly taking it instead of their class exes.

Zippy81 · April 2019

I use that ability a lot as well. I also use the oblivion set. This way I get up to 3 gems filled with every kill (the passive works too). Leave it as is. It's not like every class needs an execute ability or a spammable ability.

techprince · April 2019

This skill used to reveal night blades on every tick

ESO_Nightingale · April 2019

TumlinTheJolly wrote: »

Currently nobody uses Soul Trap. It is a trash skill (used only for filling Soul Gems, which we get a ton of anyway) but is available to everybody.

Why not rework it into a magicka execute? That way there wouldn't be any changes to any of the major skills lines, and everybody would have access to a magicka exe.

Ideally you would make it a spammable exe, though you could just leave it as a dot (in which case it'd work a bit like a magi version of Poison Injection).

If you get the killing blow with it, it fills an empty Soul Gem. This way, you'll get that RP feel of securing their soul (as you secure the kill).

Thoughts?

i think it should do more than double it's damage, but at the same time, warden's swarm is something that a lot of people want to be like poison injection.

hedna123b14_ESO · April 2019

TumlinTheJolly wrote: »

Currently nobody uses Soul Trap. It is a trash skill (used only for filling Soul Gems, which we get a ton of anyway) but is available to everybody.

Why not rework it into a magicka execute? That way there wouldn't be any changes to any of the major skills lines, and everybody would have access to a magicka exe.

Ideally you would make it a spammable exe, though you could just leave it as a dot (in which case it'd work a bit like a magi version of Poison Injection).

If you get the killing blow with it, it fills an empty Soul Gem. This way, you'll get that RP feel of securing their soul (as you secure the kill).

Thoughts?

I wouldnt mind this skill being revamped, but its actually used quite a lot in endgame raiding for sustain purposes on trash. Players tend to wear high dps sets and use soul trap to offset the sustain drain.

DeadlyRecluse · April 2019

I actually like the idea of it being a magicka poison injection. Then it wouldn't eclipse the existing magicka class executes (and might be usable by those classes, too) while giving something to magdens and magDKs.

Could keep the skill exactly the same as it currently is (with maybe a slight adjustment to the base damage), with a very aggressive damage scaling below 25%?

Revokus · April 2019

This is a really great idea lol that damned skill line needs work. Would fit well with the necromancer theme too.

TumlinTheJolly · April 2019

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

I actually like the idea of it being a magicka poison injection. Then it wouldn't eclipse the existing magicka class executes (and might be usable by those classes, too) while giving something to magdens and magDKs.

Could keep the skill exactly the same as it currently is (with maybe a slight adjustment to the base damage), with a very aggressive damage scaling below 25%?

This would be a good way of doing it if there were much opposition to a rework of the skill.