https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Stonefist

I'm sorry, but directing a DK at stonefist is like directing a NB at concealed weapon.

brtomkin wrote: »

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Stonefist

I'm sorry, but directing a DK at stonefist is like directing a NB at concealed weapon.

So now your skills don't count? Why? Because they invalidated an incorrect statement that was yelled at me?

Or is having a 28 meter range attack with a stun that heals 80% of BoL not good enough for you? You want to trade this for Templar Javelin that has the same range and stun but heals for nothing?

pieratsos wrote: »

satanio wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

I mean, here you are once again complaining about DK in a patch full of DK

Wow. You mean normalization of dots that every other class got? Or setting the durations to whole numbers that every other class gets? Or that one skill that Dk is supposed to build around? Plz.

Normalization of dots that every class got? lmao. Do you want me to actually list the changes? Its a prety damn long list and you are gonna feel really stupid when you actually read what you called normalization of dots but no issues with me. i can list them.

Yes, make me feel stupid.

Read the changelog, there’s “normalization, bringing things in line with standards” all over the place.
Actual buffs - inferno, maybe wings (not snare imunity morph), maybe whip and ash cloud lol.

Fight for whatever you want just dont throw this exaggerating statements that makes Dk look overbuffed.

Joy_Division wrote: »

cwp303b14_ESO wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

cwp303b14_ESO wrote: »

Still no real non-troll responses to the 19 meter effective dead zone a DK has to cover on foot before they can engage using class skills.

All other classes have defense AND offense at range.

DK defense is weakened. Still no offense at range. Have to cover almost as much ground by burning resource to move towards the enemy as their gap closer provides. This is a joke

Mag NB complains because sometimes their ranged skills are countered. DK whip, embers, breath, chains all countered 100% of the time at range.

I can see the response already, "but a good dk never drops wings" which is hyperbole. Sometimes they do. As in, its happened in the history of the game. Know what has literally never hit someone at range? All dk main attacks.

If you can;t figure that out, then you have been crutching on a single mechanic the entire time you have been playing ESO.

Roll a Templar, a class with zero preventive defenses. You'll see that your DK will get to the target faster and taking less damage than the templar.

You mean a templar with ranged attacks, a shield, the biggest heals and a low cost purge to peel off all those dots and status effects. You got me. I'll just use my dk... umm... uhh... hmm. Tell you what, just hold still while I close 19 meters on foot. Then it's on!

Why are you shooting me at max range? You're supposed to hold still and not kite me and not use your ranged attacks while I cant hit you. That would be unfair to DKs right? Here, I'll just slot another weapon or multiple skills since my class literally can't damage you at range, unlike other classes like warden who also has the absorb on shimmering shield, since you don't want to alter your playstyle.

I mean, sometimes you couldn't use your class damage skills on a dk at range. DKs never could. As far as class skills are concerned every class has a 100% shield to DKs from 41m to 22m.

DK also has a health based shield (a better one as it provides major mending, an effect your class stole from templars, which you have no problem with btw), also with a ranged attack - that stuns - and also with a burst heal that got buffed by a whopping 19% and thus will heal for just as much if not more than BoL when at low health. You are so used to ignoring projectiles completely that you dont even realize DKs already have many of the same tools, some of which are superior to templar counterparts.

You type as if it's impossible to somehow close the distance with a range build when in this game it is easy on any class. A kiter cannot sprint and use their abilities at the same time, their projectiles are always dodgeable (while dodges avoid snares, quite convenient), gap closers have no cooldown, next patch everyone has access to major expedition and snare/root immunity. The reason why archers crutch on Snipe is because trying to kite in this game with a bow is almost hopeless. It's really not that difficult to bring them to melee range and if they aren;t a NB with cloak or teleport or a sorcerer with streak, they are very easy to keep in melee range. They can stun once every 7 seconds but the other 6 they are hounded. If people cant figure out how to close the gap vs a range build on any class, they need to either reexamine their build or L2P.

I mean, sometimes you couldn't use your class damage skills on a dk at range. DKs never could. As far as class skills are concerned every class has a 100% shield to DKs from 41m to 22m.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Stonefist

Sorry Joy, but stonefist compared to Vamps bane, JB or Javelin is utter crap on a mDK... on a sDK is even worst.

Only troll builds could make use of that skill and even those were nerfed some patches ago.

But that leads to another question: why do DKs have 2 different stuns in the same skill line? If Stonefist was a dmg skill instead of a CC, it could be an interesting option, but as a CC is not even worth compared to Foss, so the skills falls in no one's land: it's dmg is not appealing and the stun is bad because the rest of the DK skills are all melee and foss covers much better that playing stye.

And what's worst, if you play a ranged mDK/sDK you will find much beter option for a CC in Draining shot (a very strong heal) or destro reach (a nice DoT), both skills in weapon lines...

In any case, who would try a ranged DK? The class is mostly oriented to melee DMG and has no passive that supports that playing style. The class dmg skill passives line only affect skills in the very same line (except the passive that increases AoE dmg of poison and flame skills, which sounds like bad joke considering the skills that accomplish that feature... elemental ring? Acid spray could be, but just 22mts, so...). So it is melee or melee... if you want range you have much better options such as NB or sorc... or even templar.

PS... it is not even flame dmg... stonefist does magic dmg, so you can't even proc the burning status...

@Joy_Division
So you agree with the DK change because it does not reflect anymore and gives us mitigation to those projectiles.
This change only perpetuates the narrative that we should just be tanks in PvP or in general rocking a sword n board.

Let me ask you this, how do you expect us to get away when we should? I've tested the ability and if more than 2 people are using stamina drain poisons on you after fighting them; fleeing is not an option anymore only death. You can extrapolate on the idea by thinking if you were in a 1vX and saw a group of the enemy alliance exiting the keep towards you, how would you escape when the debuffs fly at you?
The answer is, you cannot.

Xvorg wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

cwp303b14_ESO wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

cwp303b14_ESO wrote: »

Still no real non-troll responses to the 19 meter effective dead zone a DK has to cover on foot before they can engage using class skills.

All other classes have defense AND offense at range.

DK defense is weakened. Still no offense at range. Have to cover almost as much ground by burning resource to move towards the enemy as their gap closer provides. This is a joke

Mag NB complains because sometimes their ranged skills are countered. DK whip, embers, breath, chains all countered 100% of the time at range.

I can see the response already, "but a good dk never drops wings" which is hyperbole. Sometimes they do. As in, its happened in the history of the game. Know what has literally never hit someone at range? All dk main attacks.

If you can;t figure that out, then you have been crutching on a single mechanic the entire time you have been playing ESO.

Roll a Templar, a class with zero preventive defenses. You'll see that your DK will get to the target faster and taking less damage than the templar.

You mean a templar with ranged attacks, a shield, the biggest heals and a low cost purge to peel off all those dots and status effects. You got me. I'll just use my dk... umm... uhh... hmm. Tell you what, just hold still while I close 19 meters on foot. Then it's on!

Why are you shooting me at max range? You're supposed to hold still and not kite me and not use your ranged attacks while I cant hit you. That would be unfair to DKs right? Here, I'll just slot another weapon or multiple skills since my class literally can't damage you at range, unlike other classes like warden who also has the absorb on shimmering shield, since you don't want to alter your playstyle.

I mean, sometimes you couldn't use your class damage skills on a dk at range. DKs never could. As far as class skills are concerned every class has a 100% shield to DKs from 41m to 22m.

DK also has a health based shield (a better one as it provides major mending, an effect your class stole from templars, which you have no problem with btw), also with a ranged attack - that stuns - and also with a burst heal that got buffed by a whopping 19% and thus will heal for just as much if not more than BoL when at low health. You are so used to ignoring projectiles completely that you dont even realize DKs already have many of the same tools, some of which are superior to templar counterparts.

You type as if it's impossible to somehow close the distance with a range build when in this game it is easy on any class. A kiter cannot sprint and use their abilities at the same time, their projectiles are always dodgeable (while dodges avoid snares, quite convenient), gap closers have no cooldown, next patch everyone has access to major expedition and snare/root immunity. The reason why archers crutch on Snipe is because trying to kite in this game with a bow is almost hopeless. It's really not that difficult to bring them to melee range and if they aren;t a NB with cloak or teleport or a sorcerer with streak, they are very easy to keep in melee range. They can stun once every 7 seconds but the other 6 they are hounded. If people cant figure out how to close the gap vs a range build on any class, they need to either reexamine their build or L2P.

I mean, sometimes you couldn't use your class damage skills on a dk at range. DKs never could. As far as class skills are concerned every class has a 100% shield to DKs from 41m to 22m.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Stonefist

Sorry Joy, but stonefist compared to Vamps bane, JB or Javelin is utter crap on a mDK... on a sDK is even worst.

Only troll builds could make use of that skill and even those were nerfed some patches ago.

But that leads to another question: why do DKs have 2 different stuns in the same skill line? If Stonefist was a dmg skill instead of a CC, it could be an interesting option, but as a CC is not even worth compared to Foss, so the skills falls in no one's land: it's dmg is not appealing and the stun is bad because the rest of the DK skills are all melee and foss covers much better that playing stye.

And what's worst, if you play a ranged mDK/sDK you will find much beter option for a CC in Draining shot (a very strong heal) or destro reach (a nice DoT), both skills in weapon lines...

In any case, who would try a ranged DK? The class is mostly oriented to melee DMG and has no passive that supports that playing style. The class dmg skill passives line only affect skills in the very same line (except the passive that increases AoE dmg of poison and flame skills, which sounds like bad joke considering the skills that accomplish that feature... elemental ring? Acid spray could be, but just 22mts, so...). So it is melee or melee... if you want range you have much better options such as NB or sorc... or even templar.

PS... it is not even flame dmg... stonefist does magic dmg, so you can't even proc the burning status...

1. Can you please stop making a strawman? Where did I say play a ranged DK?

2. If you think Stonefist is crap to Javelin and has been nerfed, then you're just wrong.



and for comparison





and the other morph

.

11K tooltip on a stun for 500 less magicka or a 28m stun that heals almost as much as Templar supposed best burst heal in the game.

Stone Giant is a damage skill and a CC skill, so it is an interesting option you totally ignored because you're so accustomed to shutting down ranged builds completely. If you don;t want a 28 meter ranged CC then don't use it, but dont sit there and tell me the skill does not exist and then proceed to tell me this supposedly non-existent skill is crap compared to Templar javelin because it's both better and accommodates different options (heal or damage), which is a choice templars do not have.

But all of this is besides the point. In this game, it is easy for a melee build to force a range build in melee because of no cooldowns on gap closers, kiters not being able to sprint and use skills at the same time, the game's mechanics allowing players to dodge every projectile, and the movement enhancements available in the game. The idea that a skill that provides 50% damage reduction to every single projectiles now dooms the poor DK (which had every one of it's other skills buffed, some quite significantly) vs. ranged opponents is crazy.

Nobody is saying a DK is all of a sudden a ranged juggernaut. Ranged builds are going to be even easier next patch to force into melee and it has been pretty easy to do so since launch.

Yeah I uncrintr

Joy_Division wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

cwp303b14_ESO wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

cwp303b14_ESO wrote: »

Still no real non-troll responses to the 19 meter effective dead zone a DK has to cover on foot before they can engage using class skills.

All other classes have defense AND offense at range.

DK defense is weakened. Still no offense at range. Have to cover almost as much ground by burning resource to move towards the enemy as their gap closer provides. This is a joke

Mag NB complains because sometimes their ranged skills are countered. DK whip, embers, breath, chains all countered 100% of the time at range.

I can see the response already, "but a good dk never drops wings" which is hyperbole. Sometimes they do. As in, its happened in the history of the game. Know what has literally never hit someone at range? All dk main attacks.

If you can;t figure that out, then you have been crutching on a single mechanic the entire time you have been playing ESO.

Roll a Templar, a class with zero preventive defenses. You'll see that your DK will get to the target faster and taking less damage than the templar.

You mean a templar with ranged attacks, a shield, the biggest heals and a low cost purge to peel off all those dots and status effects. You got me. I'll just use my dk... umm... uhh... hmm. Tell you what, just hold still while I close 19 meters on foot. Then it's on!

Why are you shooting me at max range? You're supposed to hold still and not kite me and not use your ranged attacks while I cant hit you. That would be unfair to DKs right? Here, I'll just slot another weapon or multiple skills since my class literally can't damage you at range, unlike other classes like warden who also has the absorb on shimmering shield, since you don't want to alter your playstyle.

I mean, sometimes you couldn't use your class damage skills on a dk at range. DKs never could. As far as class skills are concerned every class has a 100% shield to DKs from 41m to 22m.

DK also has a health based shield (a better one as it provides major mending, an effect your class stole from templars, which you have no problem with btw), also with a ranged attack - that stuns - and also with a burst heal that got buffed by a whopping 19% and thus will heal for just as much if not more than BoL when at low health. You are so used to ignoring projectiles completely that you dont even realize DKs already have many of the same tools, some of which are superior to templar counterparts.

You type as if it's impossible to somehow close the distance with a range build when in this game it is easy on any class. A kiter cannot sprint and use their abilities at the same time, their projectiles are always dodgeable (while dodges avoid snares, quite convenient), gap closers have no cooldown, next patch everyone has access to major expedition and snare/root immunity. The reason why archers crutch on Snipe is because trying to kite in this game with a bow is almost hopeless. It's really not that difficult to bring them to melee range and if they aren;t a NB with cloak or teleport or a sorcerer with streak, they are very easy to keep in melee range. They can stun once every 7 seconds but the other 6 they are hounded. If people cant figure out how to close the gap vs a range build on any class, they need to either reexamine their build or L2P.

I mean, sometimes you couldn't use your class damage skills on a dk at range. DKs never could. As far as class skills are concerned every class has a 100% shield to DKs from 41m to 22m.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Stonefist

Sorry Joy, but stonefist compared to Vamps bane, JB or Javelin is utter crap on a mDK... on a sDK is even worst.

Only troll builds could make use of that skill and even those were nerfed some patches ago.

But that leads to another question: why do DKs have 2 different stuns in the same skill line? If Stonefist was a dmg skill instead of a CC, it could be an interesting option, but as a CC is not even worth compared to Foss, so the skills falls in no one's land: it's dmg is not appealing and the stun is bad because the rest of the DK skills are all melee and foss covers much better that playing stye.

And what's worst, if you play a ranged mDK/sDK you will find much beter option for a CC in Draining shot (a very strong heal) or destro reach (a nice DoT), both skills in weapon lines...

In any case, who would try a ranged DK? The class is mostly oriented to melee DMG and has no passive that supports that playing style. The class dmg skill passives line only affect skills in the very same line (except the passive that increases AoE dmg of poison and flame skills, which sounds like bad joke considering the skills that accomplish that feature... elemental ring? Acid spray could be, but just 22mts, so...). So it is melee or melee... if you want range you have much better options such as NB or sorc... or even templar.

PS... it is not even flame dmg... stonefist does magic dmg, so you can't even proc the burning status...

1. Can you please stop making a strawman? Where did I say play a ranged DK?

2. If you think Stonefist is crap to Javelin and has been nerfed, then you're just wrong.



and for comparison





and the other morph

.

11K tooltip on a stun for 500 less magicka or a 28m stun that heals just as much as Templar supposed best burst heal in the game.

Stone Giant is a damage skill and a CC skill, so it is an interesting option you totally ignored because you're so accustomed to shutting down ranged builds completely. If you don;t want a 28 meter ranged CC then don't use it, but dont sit there and tell me the skill does not exist and then proceed to tell me this supposedly non-existent skill is crap compared to Templar javelin because it's both better and accommodates different options (heal or damage), which is a choice templars do not have.

But all of this is besides the point. In this game, it is easy for a melee build to force a range build in melee because of no cooldowns on gap closers, kiters not being able to sprint and use skills at the same time, the game's mechanics allowing players to dodge every projectile, and the movement enhancements available in the game. The idea that a skill that provides 50% damage reduction to every single projectiles now dooms the poor DK (which had every one of it's other skills buffed, some quite significantly) vs. ranged opponents is crazy.

Nobody is saying a DK is all of a sudden a ranged juggernaut. Ranged builds are going to be even easier next patch to force into melee and it has been pretty easy to do so since launch.

Yeah a uncontrollable heal is good? Because if you a are ranged and you stun a enemy and a team mate is a little close he gets the heal how is a heal that you won’t get when you need it all the time other than 1v1 cauterize has the same issue when you have no control over who gets healed it doesn’t make a strong heal worth using.
Stone giant is just a crap stun no tlong enough to get to the person no one uses because it’s trash the dmg from it doesn’t make it worth it and can’t really compare to javelin because really javelin is for releaving pressure to kit because of how far it knocks back.
Wings is a need magblades and spec may think it’s fare but. The reflect it self is a core dk ability. Getting threw wings is not hard it cost a lot and a well timed stun wings won’t matter. What would happen if cloak didn’t suppress DoTs or couldn’t be used in combat

Joy_Division wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

cwp303b14_ESO wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

cwp303b14_ESO wrote: »

Still no real non-troll responses to the 19 meter effective dead zone a DK has to cover on foot before they can engage using class skills.

All other classes have defense AND offense at range.

DK defense is weakened. Still no offense at range. Have to cover almost as much ground by burning resource to move towards the enemy as their gap closer provides. This is a joke

Mag NB complains because sometimes their ranged skills are countered. DK whip, embers, breath, chains all countered 100% of the time at range.

I can see the response already, "but a good dk never drops wings" which is hyperbole. Sometimes they do. As in, its happened in the history of the game. Know what has literally never hit someone at range? All dk main attacks.

If you can;t figure that out, then you have been crutching on a single mechanic the entire time you have been playing ESO.

Roll a Templar, a class with zero preventive defenses. You'll see that your DK will get to the target faster and taking less damage than the templar.

You mean a templar with ranged attacks, a shield, the biggest heals and a low cost purge to peel off all those dots and status effects. You got me. I'll just use my dk... umm... uhh... hmm. Tell you what, just hold still while I close 19 meters on foot. Then it's on!

Why are you shooting me at max range? You're supposed to hold still and not kite me and not use your ranged attacks while I cant hit you. That would be unfair to DKs right? Here, I'll just slot another weapon or multiple skills since my class literally can't damage you at range, unlike other classes like warden who also has the absorb on shimmering shield, since you don't want to alter your playstyle.

I mean, sometimes you couldn't use your class damage skills on a dk at range. DKs never could. As far as class skills are concerned every class has a 100% shield to DKs from 41m to 22m.

DK also has a health based shield (a better one as it provides major mending, an effect your class stole from templars, which you have no problem with btw), also with a ranged attack - that stuns - and also with a burst heal that got buffed by a whopping 19% and thus will heal for just as much if not more than BoL when at low health. You are so used to ignoring projectiles completely that you dont even realize DKs already have many of the same tools, some of which are superior to templar counterparts.

You type as if it's impossible to somehow close the distance with a range build when in this game it is easy on any class. A kiter cannot sprint and use their abilities at the same time, their projectiles are always dodgeable (while dodges avoid snares, quite convenient), gap closers have no cooldown, next patch everyone has access to major expedition and snare/root immunity. The reason why archers crutch on Snipe is because trying to kite in this game with a bow is almost hopeless. It's really not that difficult to bring them to melee range and if they aren;t a NB with cloak or teleport or a sorcerer with streak, they are very easy to keep in melee range. They can stun once every 7 seconds but the other 6 they are hounded. If people cant figure out how to close the gap vs a range build on any class, they need to either reexamine their build or L2P.

I mean, sometimes you couldn't use your class damage skills on a dk at range. DKs never could. As far as class skills are concerned every class has a 100% shield to DKs from 41m to 22m.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Stonefist

Sorry Joy, but stonefist compared to Vamps bane, JB or Javelin is utter crap on a mDK... on a sDK is even worst.

Only troll builds could make use of that skill and even those were nerfed some patches ago.

But that leads to another question: why do DKs have 2 different stuns in the same skill line? If Stonefist was a dmg skill instead of a CC, it could be an interesting option, but as a CC is not even worth compared to Foss, so the skills falls in no one's land: it's dmg is not appealing and the stun is bad because the rest of the DK skills are all melee and foss covers much better that playing stye.

And what's worst, if you play a ranged mDK/sDK you will find much beter option for a CC in Draining shot (a very strong heal) or destro reach (a nice DoT), both skills in weapon lines...

In any case, who would try a ranged DK? The class is mostly oriented to melee DMG and has no passive that supports that playing style. The class dmg skill passives line only affect skills in the very same line (except the passive that increases AoE dmg of poison and flame skills, which sounds like bad joke considering the skills that accomplish that feature... elemental ring? Acid spray could be, but just 22mts, so...). So it is melee or melee... if you want range you have much better options such as NB or sorc... or even templar.

PS... it is not even flame dmg... stonefist does magic dmg, so you can't even proc the burning status...

1. Can you please stop making a strawman? Where did I say play a ranged DK?

2. If you think Stonefist is crap to Javelin and has been nerfed, then you're just wrong.



and for comparison





and the other morph

.

11K tooltip on a stun for 500 less magicka or a 28m stun that heals almost as much as Templar supposed best burst heal in the game.

Stone Giant is a damage skill and a CC skill, so it is an interesting option you totally ignored because you're so accustomed to shutting down ranged builds completely. If you don;t want a 28 meter ranged CC then don't use it, but dont sit there and tell me the skill does not exist and then proceed to tell me this supposedly non-existent skill is crap compared to Templar javelin because it's both better and accommodates different options (heal or damage), which is a choice templars do not have.

But all of this is besides the point. In this game, it is easy for a melee build to force a range build in melee because of no cooldowns on gap closers, kiters not being able to sprint and use skills at the same time, the game's mechanics allowing players to dodge every projectile, and the movement enhancements available in the game. The idea that a skill that provides 50% damage reduction to every single projectiles now dooms the poor DK (which had every one of it's other skills buffed, some quite significantly) vs. ranged opponents is crazy.

Nobody is saying a DK is all of a sudden a ranged juggernaut. Ranged builds are going to be even easier next patch to force into melee and it has been pretty easy to do so since launch.

You named Stonefist as a viable skill to be used at range when it is not. Of course, the skill is a ranged skill, but let's be serious, is it useful? No.

1- Stone giant tooltip looks amazing until you put that tooltip in perspective, 5.5K dmg is not translated into 100% extra dmg when you stun a guy in PvP... it is around a 50% extra dmg (no idea why... I suppose there are some weird maths around). So, stunning a guy with stone fist can't be an option. Spammable? Less than an option. In any case, after Stone giant, what would you use to kill the guy? I have mentioned that mdK and sDK play much better on melee, so, after you stun the guy you have to run all almost all the way towards him. In the meantime, the guy breaks free and spams all his ranged arsenal to you. And that's what wings allowed you, to reach the enemy without depleting your stam. Now you will be vulnerable to stam poisons... and we are talking about mDK. sDK cannot make use of that skill.

2- While Javelin is not as strong (according to tooltip) compared to stonefis, there are 2 things that jav does better: 1) as projectile is way faster. Stonefist is slow. Yes, it is faster than pre.morrowind, but it istill a slow projectile. 2- Almost all dmg based passives in the aedric spear skill line work with javelin, including piercing spear, spear wall, burning light. In the case of DK stonefist is impractical. It generates extra ulti, gives extra stamina (is that useful for a mDK?), and gives minor brutality (does that helps mDK). Of course on a sDK those last passives look nice, but no sDK is going to spam stonefist to get 990 stamina back... less to get minor brutality having a buff skill that gives you major brutality and that procs minor brutality for 1K more (without the need to enter in combat).

So, I ask again, is stonefist a viable skill?

Last but not least, though I agree that DKs with wings could shut down (lazy) ranged builds (I want to remark the "lazy" adjective, as a DK I have learnt to deal with NBs using cloak using the counters the skill has instead of coming here crying nerf), and that wings should have been seen in a better way... we have to recognize the solution given by ZoS is pretty bad. It takes a class that countered ranged playing style and now turns it into the main objective of the ranged playing style. 50% reduced dmg is not going to save you from stuns, or dots or debuffs, or poisons. You know what's going to be the main complaint of DK next patch? Frost staves. You can shut down an entire class with one *** damned frost staff and there's absolutely nothing you can do to prevent that (Do I have to buy race change tokens to play DK?). Just spam wings each 2 secs to try to play the game. Of course, stonefist could be very useful... to give the enemy cc immunity.

ps1. It was as easy as reducing the dmg of the reflect in a 30%~50% and everyone was happy.
ps2. What happened to your mantra "no more nerfs"?

@Joy_Division
Actually I've tested this out on a 1v1 and a 1vX to extrapolate on and no this isn't good for outnumbered situations especially with the poison era we live in today. You're a templar and has access to a class purge whereas DKs do not have access to any class purge nor a defensive skill that helps against debuffs/poisons.

If you're outnumbered you will 100% die unless you're a tank build which is the only way wings in this current form could benefit anyone and as a Stam DK I'm not going to literally change my self into a vampire just to get a defensive ability, that in its-self sounds stupid like I have to become a vampire to gain a defensive skill.

The word "toxic" for this skill isn't used correctly if you were complaining about the skill way back then when we had unlimited reflect for I think 6 seconds then yeah it was OP but the current live skill is in no way such a thing so comparing it to your old templar skill is a false dichotomy .

If they wanted to nerf wings i/e remove reflect then make it like wardens class or switch the cost to stamina but giving this 50% mitigation to ranged projectiles while DoTs hit you/poisons effectively killing any possibility of escaping isn't correct especially when you cannot simply purge it with a class ability or escape with a class ability.

Honestly, I barely care whether or not old wings was balanced:

Removing the reflect off of them is lame. And I say that as someone who plays a lot of Flareplar. It was iconic, and though it's taken some hits through the years it's always made fighting a DK potentially distinct.

The new version might still be good, idk. It's a lot of %mitigation that theoretically scales with any number of attackers--there will probably be circumstances where it's stronger than old wings, but it'll be a lot less fun.