When did I say I thought I hurt your feelings?
You may want to try reading what I type a few times before you respond or something, because I never even remotely said that.
What I said is having to outnumber people 10 to 1 is the coward's way to win. And I'll stand by that. And it's certainly not fun.
There is nothing "large scale" about 10 vs 1.
I personally leave questers alone unless they attack me first. But if you're going to come into a competitive campaign, flip strategic map locations so you can do PVE dailies in peace and get slaughtered by the local PVPers for it, I have absolutely no sympathy for you. Vivec is not a PVE-er friendly campaign; this is not a secret, and if you DON'T know it going in because you don't usually PVP, one look at zone chat will clearly tell you that you're not welcome (because you're taking up a spot that someone who wants to PVP could take instead).
How about going to another campaign? How about doing the Conquest board quests and help your alliance while getting jubilee boxes (and Gladiator proofs)? How about limiting yourself to the Fighters Guild bounty (just do it on multiple characters)? How about going down to IC, where it's always open season on PVEers anyway, and doing the dailies there? You have options.
Why would you expect other people to change their normal everyday playstyle just because you decided to show up for a little bit?
1. I (and probably none of my guildies) have NEVER been to Vivec - we know it's a serious PvP going on there, and we respect that;
2. How about that: we went to Malacath, a campaign opened only for this event - and what did the PvP badases do? Whine about the Emperor and force ZOS to close the server for everybody. For three hours. On a free day (for some folks).
3. So your "everyday play style" includes camping Cheydinghal and harassing noobs. How interesting. Wait, no - it's actually pathetic.
There is nothing "large scale" about 10 vs 1.
Well then aren't you the one who's not in the norm? Shouldn't you be grouping up? What are large groups supposed to do when they see someone - ignore them? That's counter to the argument many are using here - that if they leave someone alone then there's a chance they'll come back with their buddies.
Again, I am not a PvP'er. Just trying to understand the thought process here so that If I decide to suck it up and venture into hell I know what's expected of me.
There is nothing "large scale" about 10 vs 1.
Well then aren't you the one who's not in the norm? Shouldn't you be grouping up? What are large groups supposed to do when they see someone - ignore them? That's counter to the argument many are using here - that if they leave someone alone then there's a chance they'll come back with their buddies.
Again, I am not a PvP'er. Just trying to understand the thought process here so that If I decide to suck it up and venture into hell I know what's expected of me.
Large groups should go tackle keeps or resources, not hunt lone PvEers trying to pick up quests.
There is nothing "large scale" about 10 vs 1.
Well then aren't you the one who's not in the norm? Shouldn't you be grouping up? What are large groups supposed to do when they see someone - ignore them? That's counter to the argument many are using here - that if they leave someone alone then there's a chance they'll come back with their buddies.
Again, I am not a PvP'er. Just trying to understand the thought process here so that If I decide to suck it up and venture into hell I know what's expected of me.
Large groups should go tackle keeps or resources, not hunt lone PvEers trying to pick up quests.
Again, why aren't you grouping up? When in Rome and such. Is it hard to find a group there?
There is nothing "large scale" about 10 vs 1.
Well then aren't you the one who's not in the norm? Shouldn't you be grouping up? What are large groups supposed to do when they see someone - ignore them? That's counter to the argument many are using here - that if they leave someone alone then there's a chance they'll come back with their buddies.
Again, I am not a PvP'er. Just trying to understand the thought process here so that If I decide to suck it up and venture into hell I know what's expected of me.
Large groups should go tackle keeps or resources, not hunt lone PvEers trying to pick up quests.
Again, why aren't you grouping up? When in Rome and such. Is it hard to find a group there?
I"m not talking about me. I'm talking about Zergs who hunt solo PvE'ers who are just trying to do quests. That's a cowardly and pathetic way to play.
There is nothing "large scale" about 10 vs 1.
Well then aren't you the one who's not in the norm? Shouldn't you be grouping up? What are large groups supposed to do when they see someone - ignore them? That's counter to the argument many are using here - that if they leave someone alone then there's a chance they'll come back with their buddies.
Again, I am not a PvP'er. Just trying to understand the thought process here so that If I decide to suck it up and venture into hell I know what's expected of me.
Large groups should go tackle keeps or resources, not hunt lone PvEers trying to pick up quests.
Again, why aren't you grouping up? When in Rome and such. Is it hard to find a group there?
I"m not talking about me. I'm talking about Zergs who hunt solo PvE'ers who are just trying to do quests. That's a cowardly and pathetic way to play.
Hmmm. From my perspective it sounds like a group of people who don't understand the culture and purpose of an area going into it and expecting it to change to suit their playstyle, especially if there's no good reason not to respect it by grouping up and participating. I'm not sure it's fair to expect PvP'ers to automatically know that a person is actually alone and only doing quests. I'm sure serious PvP'ers and those in groups are doing quests too, no?
I mean, I expect PvP'ers that come into dungeons to at least attempt to participate and follow mechanics - in other words to respect the culture of the event they've chosen to participate in. I see no reason why we shouldn't extend them the same courtesy.
Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »Don’t like PvE? Then do us all a favor and don’t do PvE questsDaedric_NB_187 wrote: »I know you guys enjoy PvP a lot however during the event my dear AD would you mind staying out of dailys zone in Cheydinhal and let players enjoy the event?
I know i know its PvP zone you should get your a$$ wiped, L2P QQ ... whatever. But what kind of *** u have to be to just go for easy kill vs PvE players?!
Really I never had such issues years back during events and now it seems some stupid kiddos joined ESO community and are wrecking event for most of players.
Dear ZOS this week 3 event is just lame and I cannot say I enjoy it.
Sadly a lot of PvPers are made up of mindless hoards who just run around in zergs attacking anything that moves. For some reason they think it's satisfying to outnumber someone a gazillion to 1 and then beat them into the ground like packs of savage dogs. I don't get it either. It's kind of pathetic to be honest. And the only reason they enjoy it is because they are trolls who derive some kind of sadistic pleasure at the thought they are killing something controlled by an actual person and causing them grief. It's the only explanation. Because there is certainly nothing else they could enjoy about such a dull one-sided contest.
Because it's fun and because I can. And there's nothing you can do to stop it. Don't like it? Don't go to Cyrodiil.
Awwwww.... My little special friend has come back to play. Still having nightmares about the big bad pvpers ganking you in the sewers trying to get your skin? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
And congratulations on the failed assumption. I love pve. I run trials and dungeons everyday. But you know what they say about assumptions right? Except your making an ass out of yourself.
That must be another PVEers doing bounty quests. Coz If a group of regular PVPers attack a PVEer he dies to first 1.5 guys in like 0.1 sec before the rest of the group appear. So, address your anger to your fellows questers, not our faultto zerg lone PvEers with massive numbers
The gankers at these quest locations are 95% not regular pvp players. Regulars could not care less about these quests nor questers.
Mostly the gankers are some semi try hard pve players that can't kill anything else than noobs.
...sad but true. Most regular pvp players actually loathe these gankers but ofc sometimes you might actually be rolled due the keep fights since towns are respawns.
There is nothing "large scale" about 10 vs 1.
Well then aren't you the one who's not in the norm? Shouldn't you be grouping up? What are large groups supposed to do when they see someone - ignore them? That's counter to the argument many are using here - that if they leave someone alone then there's a chance they'll come back with their buddies.
Again, I am not a PvP'er. Just trying to understand the thought process here so that If I decide to suck it up and venture into hell I know what's expected of me.
Large groups should go tackle keeps or resources, not hunt lone PvEers trying to pick up quests.
Again, why aren't you grouping up? When in Rome and such. Is it hard to find a group there?
I"m not talking about me. I'm talking about Zergs who hunt solo PvE'ers who are just trying to do quests. That's a cowardly and pathetic way to play.
Hmmm. From my perspective it sounds like a group of people who don't understand the culture and purpose of an area going into it and expecting it to change to suit their playstyle, especially if there's no good reason not to respect it by grouping up and participating. I'm not sure it's fair to expect PvP'ers to automatically know that a person is actually alone and only doing quests. I'm sure serious PvP'ers and those in groups are doing quests too, no?
I mean, I expect PvP'ers that come into dungeons to at least attempt to participate and follow mechanics - in other words to respect the culture of the event they've chosen to participate in. I see no reason why we shouldn't extend them the same courtesy.
It might be your culture and purpose in Cyrodil to zerg lone PvEers with massive numbers while they are trying to pick quests - but it isn't mine. People can have what ever kind of play style they want - but that doesn't mean I have to "respect" it. Because it will be a cold day in hell before I respect people who play like that.
There is nothing "large scale" about 10 vs 1.
Well then aren't you the one who's not in the norm? Shouldn't you be grouping up? What are large groups supposed to do when they see someone - ignore them? That's counter to the argument many are using here - that if they leave someone alone then there's a chance they'll come back with their buddies.
Again, I am not a PvP'er. Just trying to understand the thought process here so that If I decide to suck it up and venture into hell I know what's expected of me.
Large groups should go tackle keeps or resources, not hunt lone PvEers trying to pick up quests.
Again, why aren't you grouping up? When in Rome and such. Is it hard to find a group there?
I"m not talking about me. I'm talking about Zergs who hunt solo PvE'ers who are just trying to do quests. That's a cowardly and pathetic way to play.
Hmmm. From my perspective it sounds like a group of people who don't understand the culture and purpose of an area going into it and expecting it to change to suit their playstyle, especially if there's no good reason not to respect it by grouping up and participating. I'm not sure it's fair to expect PvP'ers to automatically know that a person is actually alone and only doing quests. I'm sure serious PvP'ers and those in groups are doing quests too, no?
I mean, I expect PvP'ers that come into dungeons to at least attempt to participate and follow mechanics - in other words to respect the culture of the event they've chosen to participate in. I see no reason why we shouldn't extend them the same courtesy.
It might be your culture and purpose in Cyrodil to zerg lone PvEers with massive numbers while they are trying to pick quests - but it isn't mine. People can have what ever kind of play style they want - but that doesn't mean I have to "respect" it. Because it will be a cold day in hell before I respect people who play like that.
Umm.
I'm not sure where you got the idea that it's my culture?
Right. I forgot. Attacking people for how they choose to play in their zone, expecting them to change for a tourist, and then insulting them for it is such a grand moral for a dutiful PvE'er to uphold. I'm so sorry to have stepped out of line!
Since you've avoided my question at least twice now - I'll just state this. If I go into Cyrodill I'm going to play like I'm in Cyrodill. That means grouping up and understanding that PvP will happen, period. I also expect PvP'ers that choose to participate next week to carry their weight, even if it means they have to ask questions.
Yes - I insult the play style of cowards.
Zergs should be taking keeps and resources, not preying on lone PvEers trying to pick up quests. That's not "PvP". It's lame bullying and stupidity. Nor is it a play style I will ever respect.
If you have an issue with me "attacking" that kind of play style I suggest you simply refrain from reading my comments. I don't know what else to tell you.
Right. I forgot. Attacking people for how they choose to play in their zone, expecting them to change for a tourist, and then insulting them for it is such a grand moral for a dutiful PvE'er to uphold. I'm so sorry to have stepped out of line!
Since you've avoided my question at least twice now - I'll just state this. If I go into Cyrodill I'm going to play like I'm in Cyrodill. That means grouping up and understanding that PvP will happen, period. I also expect PvP'ers that choose to participate next week to carry their weight, even if it means they have to ask questions.
Yes - I insult the play style of cowards.
Zergs should be taking keeps and resources, not preying on lone PvEers trying to pick up quests. That's not "PvP". It's lame bullying and stupidity. Nor is it a play style I will ever respect.
If you have an issue with me "attacking" that kind of play style I suggest you simply refrain from reading my comments. I don't know what else to tell you.
People will fight anywhere in any size group if they think it will attract a big fight. Even killing PVEers will draw calls for help in zone for Pvpers to show up. It's a valid tactic
Right. I forgot. Attacking people for how they choose to play in their zone, expecting them to change for a tourist, and then insulting them for it is such a grand moral for a dutiful PvE'er to uphold. I'm so sorry to have stepped out of line!
Since you've avoided my question at least twice now - I'll just state this. If I go into Cyrodill I'm going to play like I'm in Cyrodill. That means grouping up and understanding that PvP will happen, period. I also expect PvP'ers that choose to participate next week to carry their weight, even if it means they have to ask questions.
Yes - I insult the play style of cowards.
Zergs should be taking keeps and resources, not preying on lone PvEers trying to pick up quests. That's not "PvP". It's lame bullying and stupidity. Nor is it a play style I will ever respect.
If you have an issue with me "attacking" that kind of play style I suggest you simply refrain from reading my comments. I don't know what else to tell you.
People will fight anywhere in any size group if they think it will attract a big fight. Even killing PVEers will draw calls for help in zone for Pvpers to show up. It's a valid tactic
The last thing the people I am talking about want is a "big fight". Every time the fight starts turning more fair they haul ass and run away like little children covered in spiders.
Right. I forgot. Attacking people for how they choose to play in their zone, expecting them to change for a tourist, and then insulting them for it is such a grand moral for a dutiful PvE'er to uphold. I'm so sorry to have stepped out of line!
Since you've avoided my question at least twice now - I'll just state this. If I go into Cyrodill I'm going to play like I'm in Cyrodill. That means grouping up and understanding that PvP will happen, period. I also expect PvP'ers that choose to participate next week to carry their weight, even if it means they have to ask questions.
Yes - I insult the play style of cowards.
Zergs should be taking keeps and resources, not preying on lone PvEers trying to pick up quests. That's not "PvP". It's lame bullying and stupidity. Nor is it a play style I will ever respect.
If you have an issue with me "attacking" that kind of play style I suggest you simply refrain from reading my comments. I don't know what else to tell you.
People will fight anywhere in any size group if they think it will attract a big fight. Even killing PVEers will draw calls for help in zone for Pvpers to show up. It's a valid tactic
The last thing the people I am talking about want is a "big fight". Every time the fight starts turning more fair they haul ass and run away like little children covered in spiders.
Or every magsorc now finds you 1v1 in the middle of nowhere, tags and streaks 5x times like its a 1v4.
Has anyone else noticed it?
There is nothing "large scale" about 10 vs 1.
Well then aren't you the one who's not in the norm? Shouldn't you be grouping up? What are large groups supposed to do when they see someone - ignore them? That's counter to the argument many are using here - that if they leave someone alone then there's a chance they'll come back with their buddies.
Again, I am not a PvP'er. Just trying to understand the thought process here so that If I decide to suck it up and venture into hell I know what's expected of me.
Large groups should go tackle keeps or resources, not hunt lone PvEers trying to pick up quests.
Again, why aren't you grouping up? When in Rome and such. Is it hard to find a group there?
Salvas_Aren wrote: »There is nothing "large scale" about 10 vs 1.
Well then aren't you the one who's not in the norm? Shouldn't you be grouping up? What are large groups supposed to do when they see someone - ignore them? That's counter to the argument many are using here - that if they leave someone alone then there's a chance they'll come back with their buddies.
Again, I am not a PvP'er. Just trying to understand the thought process here so that If I decide to suck it up and venture into hell I know what's expected of me.
Large groups should go tackle keeps or resources, not hunt lone PvEers trying to pick up quests.
Again, why aren't you grouping up? When in Rome and such. Is it hard to find a group there?
I did the Rome thing differently:
After getting zerged down by several PvP zergballs and PvE zergballs, which eventually led to only getting 1 Tharn page from 3 crates, I ganked the questers myself.
Try saying that phrase irl to people getting bullied, then come back to us on thatDaedric_NB_187 wrote: »Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »I know you guys enjoy PvP a lot however during the event my dear AD would you mind staying out of dailys zone in Cheydinhal and let players enjoy the event?
I know i know its PvP zone you should get your a$$ wiped, L2P QQ ... whatever. But what kind of *** u have to be to just go for easy kill vs PvE players?!
Really I never had such issues years back during events and now it seems some stupid kiddos joined ESO community and are wrecking event for most of players.
Dear ZOS this week 3 event is just lame and I cannot say I enjoy it.
Sadly a lot of PvPers are made up of mindless hoards who just run around in zergs attacking anything that moves. For some reason they think it's satisfying to outnumber someone a gazillion to 1 and then beat them into the ground like packs of savage dogs. I don't get it either. It's kind of pathetic to be honest. And the only reason they enjoy it is because they are trolls who derive some kind of sadistic pleasure at the thought they are killing something controlled by an actual person and causing them grief. It's the only explanation. Because there is certainly nothing else they could enjoy about such a dull one-sided contest.
Because it's fun and because I can. And there's nothing you can do to stop it. Don't like it? Don't go to Cyrodiil.
Yeah, it's just so much "fun" to instantly gank some poor guy trying to do his quest with 10 other people. Such a blast let me tell you...
I wonder if you would think it's so much fun if it happened to you? If you ever want to find out, let me know. I can arrange to have a small army slaughter you while you are alone so you can experience some of that fun you are talking about.
It is. And I have. Multiple times. Only difference between me and you is that I suck it up and adapt and go into Cyrodiil knowing that is what I need to expect. Instead of coming to the forums crying to Zos about the big bad pvpers playing by the rules Zos implemented.
Nah, the difference between me and you is I don't enjoy outnumbering people 10 to 1 because 1) it's boring and stupid and 2) it's the coward's way to win.
Also: you need to learn the difference in "crying" and making fun of people who have to outnumber people to win fights.
What was that saying from elementary school? Oh yeah. Sticks and stones.....you know the rest. It's fun to me and I'll be that coward. Feel better now that you think you hurt my feelings? Lol.
Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »Try saying that phrase irl to people getting bullied, then come back to us on thatDaedric_NB_187 wrote: »Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »I know you guys enjoy PvP a lot however during the event my dear AD would you mind staying out of dailys zone in Cheydinhal and let players enjoy the event?
I know i know its PvP zone you should get your a$$ wiped, L2P QQ ... whatever. But what kind of *** u have to be to just go for easy kill vs PvE players?!
Really I never had such issues years back during events and now it seems some stupid kiddos joined ESO community and are wrecking event for most of players.
Dear ZOS this week 3 event is just lame and I cannot say I enjoy it.
Sadly a lot of PvPers are made up of mindless hoards who just run around in zergs attacking anything that moves. For some reason they think it's satisfying to outnumber someone a gazillion to 1 and then beat them into the ground like packs of savage dogs. I don't get it either. It's kind of pathetic to be honest. And the only reason they enjoy it is because they are trolls who derive some kind of sadistic pleasure at the thought they are killing something controlled by an actual person and causing them grief. It's the only explanation. Because there is certainly nothing else they could enjoy about such a dull one-sided contest.
Because it's fun and because I can. And there's nothing you can do to stop it. Don't like it? Don't go to Cyrodiil.
Yeah, it's just so much "fun" to instantly gank some poor guy trying to do his quest with 10 other people. Such a blast let me tell you...
I wonder if you would think it's so much fun if it happened to you? If you ever want to find out, let me know. I can arrange to have a small army slaughter you while you are alone so you can experience some of that fun you are talking about.
It is. And I have. Multiple times. Only difference between me and you is that I suck it up and adapt and go into Cyrodiil knowing that is what I need to expect. Instead of coming to the forums crying to Zos about the big bad pvpers playing by the rules Zos implemented.
Nah, the difference between me and you is I don't enjoy outnumbering people 10 to 1 because 1) it's boring and stupid and 2) it's the coward's way to win.
Also: you need to learn the difference in "crying" and making fun of people who have to outnumber people to win fights.
What was that saying from elementary school? Oh yeah. Sticks and stones.....you know the rest. It's fun to me and I'll be that coward. Feel better now that you think you hurt my feelings? Lol.
That’s true- and improving schools, cause I can say that my school did kind of a bad job trying to stop it.Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »Try saying that phrase irl to people getting bullied, then come back to us on thatDaedric_NB_187 wrote: »Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »I know you guys enjoy PvP a lot however during the event my dear AD would you mind staying out of dailys zone in Cheydinhal and let players enjoy the event?
I know i know its PvP zone you should get your a$$ wiped, L2P QQ ... whatever. But what kind of *** u have to be to just go for easy kill vs PvE players?!
Really I never had such issues years back during events and now it seems some stupid kiddos joined ESO community and are wrecking event for most of players.
Dear ZOS this week 3 event is just lame and I cannot say I enjoy it.
Sadly a lot of PvPers are made up of mindless hoards who just run around in zergs attacking anything that moves. For some reason they think it's satisfying to outnumber someone a gazillion to 1 and then beat them into the ground like packs of savage dogs. I don't get it either. It's kind of pathetic to be honest. And the only reason they enjoy it is because they are trolls who derive some kind of sadistic pleasure at the thought they are killing something controlled by an actual person and causing them grief. It's the only explanation. Because there is certainly nothing else they could enjoy about such a dull one-sided contest.
Because it's fun and because I can. And there's nothing you can do to stop it. Don't like it? Don't go to Cyrodiil.
Yeah, it's just so much "fun" to instantly gank some poor guy trying to do his quest with 10 other people. Such a blast let me tell you...
I wonder if you would think it's so much fun if it happened to you? If you ever want to find out, let me know. I can arrange to have a small army slaughter you while you are alone so you can experience some of that fun you are talking about.
It is. And I have. Multiple times. Only difference between me and you is that I suck it up and adapt and go into Cyrodiil knowing that is what I need to expect. Instead of coming to the forums crying to Zos about the big bad pvpers playing by the rules Zos implemented.
Nah, the difference between me and you is I don't enjoy outnumbering people 10 to 1 because 1) it's boring and stupid and 2) it's the coward's way to win.
Also: you need to learn the difference in "crying" and making fun of people who have to outnumber people to win fights.
What was that saying from elementary school? Oh yeah. Sticks and stones.....you know the rest. It's fun to me and I'll be that coward. Feel better now that you think you hurt my feelings? Lol.
I was extensively bullied in HS, but it still is a wise lesson. We should try to fight bullying, but we should also be trying to improve resilience so that people can cope with bullying better. Life can be the worst bully of all, with cancer, divorce, accidents, deaths, etc.