Reflecting on all the class nerfs from Zenimax / ESO becoming a garbage game for casual gamers

Darkenarlol · April 2019

Excaltic wrote: »

Stop listening to demands of the "pro's" and start thinking about casuals which keep on leaving the game like this...

no thank you.

IMO listening to casuals = listening to incompetent people

anyway they actually barely listening to any demands of *pros* and so-so listening to histeric *NERF IT!!* brigade

Klingenlied · April 2019

Nightblade was OP for so long, would not mind seeing them at the last spot. Would not make for good balancing though. But to get everyone closer, needing no is very fine with me.

Knowledge · April 2019

Since this game has no lateral gear progression, the CP cap is now locked, I think it's very easy for casual players to get into and enjoy. Normal Trials are very easy for players wishing to raid and can be fun; they allow for a diverse array of builds with minimal penalty to the group.

Fallewarrior · April 2019

Wauw this topic proves it once again...

Casual players are way more entitled then endgame players are.

Just adapt or get good or leave.

Peekachu99 · April 2019

Fallewarrior wrote: »

Wauw this topic proves it once again...

Casual players are way more entitled then endgame players are.

Just adapt or get good or leave.

The OP and like half the people QQing are endgame players pretending to be “casual”.

99% of all casual players won’t notice these changes and think that “weaving” is something you do with a needle and thread.

Banana · April 2019

No complaints from my mdk.

Tattooo · April 2019

just wanted to drop a "***" and leave, have a good day, *** casuals

ArvenAldmeri · April 2019

I can only say: L2P
Endgame people need content more than casuals. Casuals have 90% of the content in this game already. Those really hard dungeons and trials are only 10% of the game if not less. Also, u can run those dungeons and trials on normal mode and if u cant even do that then there is a serious problem and its not just about being casual anymore.

anitajoneb17_ESO · April 2019

ArvenAldmeri wrote: »

I can only say: L2P
Endgame people need content more than casuals. Casuals have 90% of the content in this game already. Those really hard dungeons and trials are only 10% of the game if not less. Also, u can run those dungeons and trials on normal mode and if u cant even do that then there is a serious problem and its not just about being casual anymore.

Learning to play is useless. Stuff is getting changed every three months for the sake of hardcore players who're burning through their new content quicker than any developer could ever release it. "Nerfs", "boosts", "balance" and whatever gear, passive, skill, CP changes IS the actual "new content" for hardcore players, to give them something to toy with, be it rejoicing or whining. But it's also what prevents casuals from truly progressing.

Fallewarrior wrote: »

Casual players are way more entitled then endgame players are.
Just adapt or get good or leave.

Come on... you'd feel so helpless and lonely without people to compare with and feel so incredibly superior.

Mitaka211 · April 2019

I am by no means a pro player but let me tell you what happens when devs pander to casual players. The game becomes more and more shallow. In the end it becomes the typical mmo not worth investing time in. I always had the thought that if someone puts more time in than you and knows more about the game , then he should be greater in power than you are. When a game is too casual and all the players become basically the same, because there is a lower skill gab you can reach, it slowly starts to die. I actually like the fact that i can meet people who are higher cp than me and kill them in 10 seconds and at the same time you will always meet some people that are clearly on the next level and you can't touch . These are the people that know a class inside out and should be listened to. If they reached the full potential of their class then i think they deserve a say on whats right and whats wrong.
P.S i do believe templar was ruined and shoved into the dirt because they listen to the most vocal majority .

Eiagra · April 2019

The patch notes are the initial changes, which are subject to change as there are further refinements.

So... wouldn't the correct channel for this be the PTS forums? I mean, you can talk about how the sky is falling here, or you can try to keep the sky from falling by going over to the correct channel.

Unless you're just stirring up mud for the sake of stirring up mud. In which case, you do you, man.

INinjaNinja · April 2019

Tattooo wrote: »

just wanted to drop a "***" and leave, have a good day, *** casuals

quoting to further emphasise this point

Fallewarrior · April 2019

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

ArvenAldmeri wrote: »

I can only say: L2P
Endgame people need content more than casuals. Casuals have 90% of the content in this game already. Those really hard dungeons and trials are only 10% of the game if not less. Also, u can run those dungeons and trials on normal mode and if u cant even do that then there is a serious problem and its not just about being casual anymore.

Learning to play is useless. Stuff is getting changed every three months for the sake of hardcore players who're burning through their new content quicker than any developer could ever release it. "Nerfs", "boosts", "balance" and whatever gear, passive, skill, CP changes IS the actual "new content" for hardcore players, to give them something to toy with, be it rejoicing or whining. But it's also what prevents casuals from truly progressing.

Fallewarrior wrote: »

Casual players are way more entitled then endgame players are.
Just adapt or get good or leave.

Come on... you'd feel so helpless and lonely without people to compare with and feel so incredibly superior.

What are you smoking, give me some of that good stuf..

Reistr_the_Unbroken · April 2019

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Fallewarrior wrote: »

Wauw this topic proves it once again...

Casual players are way more entitled then endgame players are.

Just adapt or get good or leave.

The OP and like half the people QQing are endgame players pretending to be “casual”.

99% of all casual players won’t notice these changes and think that “weaving” is something you do with a needle and thread.

Have to agree with this- as a casual myself I can say that I never really noticed the changes and never asked for a nerf on anything.

anitajoneb17_ESO · April 2019

Fallewarrior wrote: »

What are you smoking, give me some of that good stuf..

L2GIY or GTFO :-)

Aznarb · April 2019

I love when some idiot put all casual in the same bag.
Casual doesn't mean bad player. Same for end-game player doesn't mean they're good.

I'm a Casual. I know how to weave, I've play every class w/o problem in most content and we are gonna start raid soon with my guild.
A casual is someone who don't play everyday, nothing to do with bad player.

So don't try to blame a part of the community when you didn't even know 5% of them.
I see more crybaby "pro" player and "pvp" player than any casual and pve player.

They will always player to complain about something, it's normal, it's IMPOSSIBLE to make everyone happy. get out your utopia and adapt like most of the player base will do.

Also, instead of crying, feel free to go in another game or made yourself a game as good as ESO. Gonna be fun to watch.
Yeah, ESO got problem. But, have you even play other MMORPG in your angry life ? I've 20 year of MMORPG and other game behind me.
They've always balance issue, performance or bug. Sorry, world is not perfect, nothing is.

For god sake, grow up and stop QQing every *** time, yeah, it's for all of you : casual and "pro", go ahead.

Raudgrani · April 2019

ZOS wants people to play in large group, and spam light attacks and weak abilities to build ultimate, then drop these. It's all obvious. No need for actual skill, other than to use abilities that buffs light attack damage (very demanding). The whole previous deal, of actually building damage up in several steps, to prepare a good bust, is gradually going out the window.

I suppose it's to please casual/crap players to join zerging in PVP. They should feel at home, and not feeling as feeble and powerless as they really are. Everyone should be able to step into Cyrodiil and feel like kings, in the middle of a huge zerg. All this can't be interpreted in any other way.

Undefwun · April 2019

cmetzger93 wrote: »

Yea class reps get way too much clout. It’s because of them that ZOS are too worried about adding meaningful content like spellcrafting because they think it will break the game balance and shake up the meta

lol what?

there is a lot of dumb things said in this thread.. but this probably the dumbest... and rude as hell...

Class Reps are just experienced players, who give a crap about the game and put their hand up to collect opinions from the player base and pass them on., unpaid I might add.

They are trying to funnel the thousands of voices on the forums and various discords into something devs can actually look at.

At the end of the day ZOS does what they want. I know a couple of the reps and they scratch their head at some changes as much as we do.

Here mate, don't forget this on your way out..

frostz417 · April 2019

Oh look another cry baby night blade who doesn’t want his ez mode class nerfed, keep crying

bosmern_ESO · April 2019

ThanatosXR wrote: »

Compare this https://youtu.be/N6mPSK5Lksk
To this
https://youtu.be/0qsTBBWuziE

Notice one is one requires leadership and skills/tactics and the second is spam
Eso isnt a mmo, there is no thought required, not tactics, no mastering

Id like to know how its not a MMO?

and if you want to play PvP at the highest level you need to be in a coordinated guild along with running the best builds, i dont think you've ever been in that position because you would know its a lot more different than the video you posted.

You solo dive into a coordinated guild you die. You run a pug zerg vs a coordinated guild you die (unless the guild is bad)

StormeReigns · April 2019

JumpmanLane wrote: »

They can nerf the game all they want to, casual players will still suck because they lack skill. Period. And they’ll still cry for nerfs and STILL get wrecked.

ZOS Can’t balance skill.

The level of generalization here, cant be measured by motal man, not to mention is Wrong on so many levels.

Being Casual doesnt effect how well or how terrible one preforms in game or in any activity. Casual doesnt mean crying for nerfs either...

Casual is based on how long one can play / how much time they currently have available, based on a very wide variety of situations.

Terrible gameplay, dps and crying for nerfs is not limited to one single group, it affect all players. EVERYONE is guilty of it, not elitests, or casuals, everyone.

The most depressing part is you believe you are undeniably correct and can never be wrong in your claim, despite you are probably the prime example of what you hate yhe most.

valeriiya · April 2019

They should nerf/balance/destroy all classes at the same time so we can all whine equally.
I think I'm in the middle of players; my max dps for PVE is 25k, could i do more? Yes. Do i feel like putting in the time required? NO. So i stay out of vet trials and most HM dungeons and that's ok with me. If i wanted to do that content its on me to do it, not ZO$ to dumb it down because i'm lazy.
They have been nerfing some of the dungeons where a lot of people have failed.
It's only week 1 on the PTS, don't uninstall the game before changes even make it to live.

Daentalion · April 2019

Waittt, so you're saying that casuals and dedicated players should do the same dps? And the goal of class balance should be to reduce this difference?
I'm sorry but this is total nonsense lol

First of all, doing less dps doesn't mean you can't play the game: if you're a casual and you can't/dont' want to go past spamming a few dots then you totally can and still be able to clear most content in the game. But if you expect to just go into a veteran trial and be able to effortlessly clear it just because you paid for it then you're just delusional.
Veteran content is called that for a reason: you have to go past casual and put in some effort into the game to be able to do that content. If you're not able to do that, or simply can't be bothered to, the game still has a LOT of content for you.

ThanatosXR · April 2019

Vet dungeons are a joke, there easy as hell. The reason isnt laziness there isn't any drive to push your character because there isnt any engaging content at endgame, the gold weapons and stuff are like 2% better than the endgame sets, hence nothing to drive you as it feels pointless

valeriiya wrote: »

They should nerf/balance/destroy all classes at the same time so we can all whine equally.
I think I'm in the middle of players; my max dps for PVE is 25k, could i do more? Yes. Do i feel like putting in the time required? NO. So i stay out of vet trials and most HM dungeons and that's ok with me. If i wanted to do that content its on me to do it, not ZO$ to dumb it down because i'm lazy.
They have been nerfing some of the dungeons where a lot of people have failed.
It's only week 1 on the PTS, don't uninstall the game before changes even make it to live.

msalvia · April 2019

Counterpoint: no changes ever=stagnation.

And let's just get over the nightblade changes. I know, change is hard, but necessary. Your NB is still totally playable, it's just not head-and-shoulders better than other classes for stam dps. The humanity!

Casterial · April 2019

I was against dumbing down games for casuals, but you know what. After working in the industry I was explained this.

Your average player is casual, pretty bad at the game you have to balance more for them because they're majority of the money, majority of the playerbase. The top tier 1% no one cares about, they are so small that it doesn't matter.

Its about who puts in the most money and is the biggest majority.

I was a balance designer.

JumpmanLane · April 2019

Casterial wrote: »

I was against dumbing down games for casuals, but you know what. After working in the industry I was explained this.

Your average player is casual, pretty bad at the game you have to balance more for them because they're majority of the money, majority of the playerbase. The top tier 1% no one cares about, they are so small that it doesn't matter.

Its about who puts in the most money and is the biggest majority.

I was a balance designer.

And in the end the game sucks...

SkerKro wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

They can nerf the game all they want to, casual players will still suck because they lack skill. Period. And they’ll still cry for nerfs and STILL get wrecked.

ZOS Can’t balance skill.

The level of generalization here, cant be measured by motal man, not to mention is Wrong on so many levels.

Being Casual doesnt effect how well or how terrible one preforms in game or in any activity. Casual doesnt mean crying for nerfs either...

Casual is based on how long one can play / how much time they currently have available, based on a very wide variety of situations.

Terrible gameplay, dps and crying for nerfs is not limited to one single group, it affect all players. EVERYONE is guilty of it, not elitests, or casuals, everyone.

The most depressing part is you believe you are undeniably correct and can never be wrong in your claim, despite you are probably the prime example of what you hate yhe most.

That’s how ZOS sees casuals, an unskilled wallet. Lol. Don’t get good, just gimme your money!

Casterial · April 2019

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

I was against dumbing down games for casuals, but you know what. After working in the industry I was explained this.

Your average player is casual, pretty bad at the game you have to balance more for them because they're majority of the money, majority of the playerbase. The top tier 1% no one cares about, they are so small that it doesn't matter.

Its about who puts in the most money and is the biggest majority.

I was a balance designer.

And in the end the game sucks...

It doesn't though, PVP is probably like 10% of this entire game.

You get use to swapping / changing out of PVP I went from 5+ hrs/day in Cyrodiil to like 1 because I duel and do BGs to fill my pvp haha.

There have been far worse nerfs in the past, this is just one... People that lived through the conversion when everything was multiplied by I think 8.9% or something weird 1.4->1.6 don't care about any nerfs, they just adapt.

Pops_ND_Irish · April 2019

Hehe what a joke !

Raudgrani · April 2019

frostz417 wrote: »

Oh look another cry baby night blade who doesn’t want his ez mode class nerfed, keep crying

That's just not a fair judgement. I do pretty much all classes in PVP, some more or less than others - all but magsorc (the true "ez mode" to be fair), and I'd say stamblade really isn't that easy. If you don't just prey on people and pick off those already fighting and on low health, you really can't just be half asleep, or you'll die pretty miserably.

When I feel like relaxing, I pick my stamplar; with access to more buffs and heals etc. than I can even remember.