Reflecting on all the class nerfs from Zenimax / ESO becoming a garbage game for casual gamers

Irylia

Find the nb main.

This game has been going casual since thieves guild.
The floor has been raised past the ceiling.
You have proc sets. Aoe mindless ults to run around with. Sets to save you in combat. Numbers with no risk of stacking.
Nb has been over tuned
It’s a big lol when it can run shackle bone pirate bs and still churn out 11+k will procs

JumpmanLane

Casterial wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

I was against dumbing down games for casuals, but you know what. After working in the industry I was explained this.

Your average player is casual, pretty bad at the game you have to balance more for them because they're majority of the money, majority of the playerbase. The top tier 1% no one cares about, they are so small that it doesn't matter.

Its about who puts in the most money and is the biggest majority.

I was a balance designer.

And in the end the game sucks...

It doesn't though, PVP is probably like 10% of this entire game.

You get use to swapping / changing out of PVP I went from 5+ hrs/day in Cyrodiil to like 1 because I duel and do BGs to fill my pvp haha.

There have been far worse nerfs in the past, this is just one... People that lived through the conversion when everything was multiplied by I think 8.9% or something weird 1.4->1.6 don't care about any nerfs, they just adapt.

My class got buffed, by accident I’m sure. No cp BGS exist (instead of cp bgs) because of casuals. Dueling (self imposed gimpfests) are useful but gimped whinefests if you use certain skills and I duel EVERYDAY.

In the end, even on a completely level playing field casuals will still cry for nerfs because they simply haven’t taken the time to develop a high level of skill. ZOS should encourage their players to develop a CERTAIN amount of skill. Geeze. Some bare minimum lol.

Casterial

Raudgrani wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Oh look another cry baby night blade who doesn’t want his ez mode class nerfed, keep crying

That's just not a fair judgement. I do pretty much all classes in PVP, some more or less than others - all but magsorc (the true "ez mode" to be fair), and I'd say stamblade really isn't that easy. If you don't just prey on people and pick off those already fighting and on low health, you really can't just be half asleep, or you'll die pretty miserably.

When I feel like relaxing, I pick my stamplar; with access to more buffs and heals etc. than I can even remember.

Stamblade is easier to build for, maybe thats what he was going at? Not too sure, but I whole heartily agree.

StormeReigns

Casterial wrote: »

I was against dumbing down games for casuals, but you know what. After working in the industry I was explained this.

Your average player is casual, pretty bad at the game you have to balance more for them because they're majority of the money, majority of the playerbase. The top tier 1% no one cares about, they are so small that it doesn't matter.

Its about who puts in the most money and is the biggest majority.

I was a balance designer.

Hmm. Interesting. Very interesting indeed. When I was an Intern at SoE back in 2007 for Vanguard, and again as contracted concept artist for Paragon Studios and Riot, i hung out with many Devs, being nosey as well a few CMs. I not once heard this statement made. Could be each company holds their view of casuals different.
From my experiences in the industry, Most casuals. If not the vast majority of them rarely, if ever use forums for mmos, they either play or stop.

The forums posters and visitors are the smallest group of all mmos, but often the loudest making claim of certain groups, demanding for nerfs, buffs and statinh ultimatums. While casuals, the largest player base was playing, and unaware of these differences being claimed, and the companies loved them for it. They, the casuals did their own thing while they the devs/cms were allowed to work.

Most devs and CMs I spoke to and had brief workshops with stated they had a deep seeded hatred for forums, and boards, but as well still had to treat all players equal, good or bad, but wishing to remove the forums so they can actually do their jobs without the heavy breathing to make every one happy cause the smallest group happened to be the loudest, and most demanding while slinging slurs and belittling them for no reasons, other then fourm posters are terrible people.

Casterial

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

I was against dumbing down games for casuals, but you know what. After working in the industry I was explained this.

Your average player is casual, pretty bad at the game you have to balance more for them because they're majority of the money, majority of the playerbase. The top tier 1% no one cares about, they are so small that it doesn't matter.

Its about who puts in the most money and is the biggest majority.

I was a balance designer.

And in the end the game sucks...

It doesn't though, PVP is probably like 10% of this entire game.

You get use to swapping / changing out of PVP I went from 5+ hrs/day in Cyrodiil to like 1 because I duel and do BGs to fill my pvp haha.

There have been far worse nerfs in the past, this is just one... People that lived through the conversion when everything was multiplied by I think 8.9% or something weird 1.4->1.6 don't care about any nerfs, they just adapt.

My class got buffed, by accident I’m sure. No cp BGS exist (instead of cp bgs) because of casuals. Dueling (self imposed gimpfests) are useful but gimped whinefests if you use certain skills and I duel EVERYDAY.

In the end, even on a completely level playing field casuals will still cry for nerfs because they simply haven’t taken the time to develop a high level of skill. ZOS should encourage their players to develop a CERTAIN amount of skill. Geeze. Some bare minimum lol.

And yah, you learn to adapt! So hopefully everyone crying just adapts.. Lol And agreed duels are based on what you run, i don't duel magsorc for this reason haha.

kerthas

if you just want to connect and kill everything in a blink of an eye, with rp stuff, the playstyle you want, and huge boss for epic epic fight. All of without trying to think on how to do it, so basically without using you brains, and without any patience to develop some skills, i would suggest you to go back on skyrim. I had a lot of fun, and i'm sure it will be fine for what you are looking for.
Otherwise, stop crying and start using your brain.
Zenimax make already everything easier af for casual player.

(Just in case of any confusion, this message is for the one who start the topic, and for those who are agreed with him)

anitajoneb17_ESO

kerthas wrote: »

if you just want to connect and kill everything in a blink of an eye, with rp stuff, the playstyle you want, and huge boss for epic epic fight. All of without trying to think on how to do it, so basically without using you brains, and without any patience to develop some skills, i would suggest you to go back on skyrim. I had a lot of fun, and i'm sure it will be fine for what you are looking for.
Otherwise, stop crying and start using your brain.
Zenimax make already everything easier af for casual player.

(Just in case of any confusion, this message is for the one who start the topic, and for those who are agreed with him)

Was this meant to actually encourage people to "work at the game", practice it, get better and reach the level of people like you, and eventually play with people like you ?
If so, it's an epic epic fail.

JinMori

SkerKro wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

They can nerf the game all they want to, casual players will still suck because they lack skill. Period. And they’ll still cry for nerfs and STILL get wrecked.

ZOS Can’t balance skill.

The level of generalization here, cant be measured by motal man, not to mention is Wrong on so many levels.

Being Casual doesnt effect how well or how terrible one preforms in game or in any activity. Casual doesnt mean crying for nerfs either...

Casual is based on how long one can play / how much time they currently have available, based on a very wide variety of situations.

Terrible gameplay, dps and crying for nerfs is not limited to one single group, it affect all players. EVERYONE is guilty of it, not elitests, or casuals, everyone.

The most depressing part is you believe you are undeniably correct and can never be wrong in your claim, despite you are probably the prime example of what you hate yhe most.

That is actually not entirely correct.

While casuals usually play less casual gaming doesn't necessarily mean time spent.

It has more to do with the approach to the game.

For example this:

A casual game is a video game targeted at or used by casual gamers. Casual games may exhibit any type of gameplay or genre. They are typically distinguished by simple rules and by reduced demands on time and learned skill, in contrast to more complex hardcore games. They typically impose low production and distribution costs on the producer.

Simple gameplay, like a puzzle game that can be played entirely using a one-button mouse or cellphone keypad
Familiarity, like a card game or board game
Allowing gameplay in short bursts, during work breaks or, in the case of portable and cell phone games, on public transportation
The ability to quickly reach a final stage, or continuous play with no need to save the game
Some variant on a "try before you buy" business model or an advertising-based model

It has more to do with ease to learn, low commitment than time.

JinMori

In short, i think a game should have content for both groups.

The problem is that many people don't like seeing other people being better than them, some react with getting better, other react in other ways, for example, they either want their stuff and justify it by saying that you stole from them, they would like it for the game to be dumbed down, so they now can compare, or be marginally better compared to before, even though they really aren't they just nerfed the pro player.

So really, you can be a bad player if you want, just don't complain when you see someone better than you, commitment, skill, in every aspect of our life affects how good we are when we do something, that is something that will never change no matter what you do, you can reduce it, you can force it, but in the long run it will never work, people will either just leave, or not work at all because it's not worth it anymore.

And it's completely pointless because you can create content for both, but in pvp were you don't really decide who you go against, if you find a better player than you you will definitely lose, but that is just the result of the difference in skill.

BrianLovesLisa

yay another Night Blade got nerfed thread

TheValar85

Meh NB's are fing strong in PVP with their snipe and poision, or combined with stealth one shoot. So it must be nerfed.
Some builds are ven exist in the game that basicly makes your character invincible and even a 25 player group is having an issue to kill those guys. So yeah thats actualy not fun, and also not fun to give an ability to NB's whit one shot killing people. Same goes for immortal builds as well. And instead of fixing those tehy just enrf sorcerers, and other mid chategory caracters and specs. Yeah thats fair right? no it is not.

Ragnarock41

Irylia wrote: »

Find the nb main.

This game has been going casual since thieves guild.
The floor has been raised past the ceiling.
You have proc sets. Aoe mindless ults to run around with. Sets to save you in combat. Numbers with no risk of stacking.
Nb has been over tuned
It’s a big lol when it can run shackle bone pirate bs and still churn out 11+k will procs

Stamblade will still be able to go shackle-bone and do that sort of damage cause minor vulnerability+incap+off balance from CP equals to truckloads of extra damage. At least they won't be getting free fracture on top of all this cheese now.

And yes, you are right the game is going more and amore casual for years now. Couldn't agree more.

Deep_01

Your definition of casual is some one who can clear vet dungeon and trial level stuff for difficult and very good gear with little effort/time and minimal learning playstyle? Hmm,

idk

The only thing I really agree with the OP on is that Zos has made it much more difficult for the casual player and some of the serous raiders have pointed that out. However, it is not for any of the reasons OP mentions and I doubt OP even understands why or what has driven a wedge to further separate good dps with bad dps.

To that note it really looks like OP is really just heavily bitter about changes to the NB over the years and ignores how it compares to other classes, but who cares about that, right? I would really suggest OP take a break from the game as it is intended to be fun, not something to get this stressed about.

BTW Zos tends to look at constructive feedback vs just rage filled rants.

xeNNNNN

Reverb wrote: »

Nightblade tears, disguised as advocating for new and casual players. Nice twist.

ikr? As a nightblade player myself, I actually find this thread amusing.

THE SKY IS FALLING RIGHT GUYS?

Whatever will we do!

... oh yeah...adapt.

Or play one of the other classes instead of being stubborn muppets.