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  • Kiralyn2000
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    And people wonder why some hate PC, they never stop talking about it and try to force it down people’s throats

    There's obnoxious "shove their preference down your throat" partisans on all sides (heck, there's some console ones in this thread, alongside the PC ones). PvP vs PvE, Coke vs Pepsi, politics, religion, etc.


    In the end, it comes down to what works for you, and what you prefer. I use both, because I have uses for each.
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    re: "couch gaming". I suppose I'm the odd one out here - my console is hooked up to the same monitor my PC is, at my desk. ;)
  • Liww
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    IronWooshu wrote: »
    First off PC players came in here swinging their little e-peens around in a PS5 discussion thread. No one cares if PC does everything better, with the way PC players try and jam this master race thing down your throat I would assume they all have little peens, jealousy and no confidence or they wouldn't always have to tell us how much better PC is.

    Since you have trouble with reading, I am a console player.

    Console is also full of kiddies talking about peen size, thanks for proving my point.

    Furthermore I love skyrim/eso on console but it just isn't better, in any regard.


    Edited by Liww on April 17, 2019 3:54PM
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    In the end it won't matter as the gaming PC as we know it is going the way of the Dinosaur because of high production costs and the evolution of devices like smart TV, Internet of things devices, Smart Phones, Tablets and yes dedicated gaming boxes called consoles. Distributed processing is the wave of the future.
    There already is far less choices of components to build your PC with then there was a few years ago.
    Edited by TequilaFire on April 17, 2019 4:59PM
  • IronWooshu
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    Liww wrote: »
    IronWooshu wrote: »
    First off PC players came in here swinging their little e-peens around in a PS5 discussion thread. No one cares if PC does everything better, with the way PC players try and jam this master race thing down your throat I would assume they all have little peens, jealousy and no confidence or they wouldn't always have to tell us how much better PC is.

    Since you have trouble with reading, I am a console player.

    Console is also full of kiddies talking about peen size, thanks for proving my point.

    Furthermore I love skyrim/eso on console but it just isn't better, in any regard.


    No one said Skyrim was better kid, I fail to see what point Skyrim or PC is better when discussing the future of PS5 and ESO?
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    Insane. I hope it gets a nice PS5 upgrade with every setting maxed out at native 4k. Also the loading times should be improved by 15x according to Cerny. Let's see if that's real.
  • ryzen_gamer_gal
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    Inb4lock

    Edit: on a more serious note I’m not 100% sure how I feel about the disc-less Xbox that’s coming out... probably disappointed tho bc most of my games are on a disc

    portable writable dvd players for pc are less than 50$ surely they would run on the xbox?
  • ryzen_gamer_gal
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    I played ESO both on PC and PS4 and switched to PS4. Nothing is better than playing beautiful ESO on a huge TV in a comfortable chair with a premium controller. And I cannot wait for the PS5 to get an even more beautiful and fluid ESO in my living room. :)

    you do realize that hdmi is a thing right? you can get an xbox wireless controller, charging station and wireless adapter for 50 bucks used. probably 110$ new blows ps away
  • ryzen_gamer_gal
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    And people wonder why some hate PC, they never stop talking about it and try to force it down people’s throats

    i have never seen this happen.
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    None of this is news worthy. Consoles are now built under standardized pc architecture. There is absolutely zero reason a game like this wouldnt simply be relased on any relevant platform going forward. There is almost nothing zos would have to do on the back end to make the transition. The only logistical work would be console specific ui integration.

    This is not the mid 2000s anymore. Any generation jump will simply be akin to upgrading a pc. Online games that exist on ps4 that are still generating revenue are not going anywhere.
    Edited by exeeter702 on April 17, 2019 6:33PM
  • ryzen_gamer_gal
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    Liww wrote: »
    We all know you console propogandists only defend your rig cuz the bought collectibles are holding you, me included, hostage.

    There are zero to none pro's when it comes to console. multimedia?? link your pc to your tv boom netflix. sit on the couch with a controller? possible on PC aswel. Addons telling you what to do? no one is forcing you to use these, if you want to clear content through skill dont use addons?

    stop telling lies, there's nothing console does better then PC, coming from a console player.

    This.

    Name me one thing that a console can do that a PC can't, and I'll eat my hat.

    "Couch Gaming"?

    There's a reason mATX/ITX form factors exist: So you can fit your PC in your living room and you guessed it! Play games from your couch! I have a good friend who does just this. And I mean an IRL friend. I've used said mini PC myself. Oh... And guys, it's a beast that massively outperforms consoles.

    Reliability. A console is better at guaranteeing every single game you boot up will work 1st time without fail. Without having to spend endless hours trawling the net to pin point why that game won't load on your PC or why it's constantly crashing. Barring a fault that lies squarely with the devs, I can count on one finger how many games haven't worked straight out of the box on console. I can't say the same thing about my gaming pc.

    The only time i can remember fiddling on my pc is because i was gaming on linux and not windows with a game that was made for windows. as far as playing windows games on windows goes, i cant remember ever having a problem and i have been gamin since atari came out with it's first console. I think you sound sad and bitter. please stop arguing over things you obviously have no experience with.
  • Prof_Bawbag
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    I played ESO both on PC and PS4 and switched to PS4. Nothing is better than playing beautiful ESO on a huge TV in a comfortable chair with a premium controller. And I cannot wait for the PS5 to get an even more beautiful and fluid ESO in my living room. :)

    you do realize that hdmi is a thing right? you can get an xbox wireless controller, charging station and wireless adapter for 50 bucks used. probably 110$ new blows ps away

    Maybe his house isn't a carbon copy of your house?

    I certainly wouldn't have a PC in my living room (most towers are eyesores) and having kids, the only other plausible place for my PC to be is in the bedroom. And the set up some people talk about on here and on other forums would stick out like a sore thumb in my bedroom. Nor do I or my wife want a big eye sore of a tv in the bedroom. I know none of that makes a difference to you, nor is it very interesting, but it highlights the fact what options you may have won't necessarily be indicative of the next person.

    Then there are those with restrictive space. Basically 1001 reasons why it isn't always as simple as get a hdmi and wireless controller.
  • Prof_Bawbag
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    Liww wrote: »
    We all know you console propogandists only defend your rig cuz the bought collectibles are holding you, me included, hostage.

    There are zero to none pro's when it comes to console. multimedia?? link your pc to your tv boom netflix. sit on the couch with a controller? possible on PC aswel. Addons telling you what to do? no one is forcing you to use these, if you want to clear content through skill dont use addons?

    stop telling lies, there's nothing console does better then PC, coming from a console player.

    This.

    Name me one thing that a console can do that a PC can't, and I'll eat my hat.

    "Couch Gaming"?

    There's a reason mATX/ITX form factors exist: So you can fit your PC in your living room and you guessed it! Play games from your couch! I have a good friend who does just this. And I mean an IRL friend. I've used said mini PC myself. Oh... And guys, it's a beast that massively outperforms consoles.

    Reliability. A console is better at guaranteeing every single game you boot up will work 1st time without fail. Without having to spend endless hours trawling the net to pin point why that game won't load on your PC or why it's constantly crashing. Barring a fault that lies squarely with the devs, I can count on one finger how many games haven't worked straight out of the box on console. I can't say the same thing about my gaming pc.

    The only time i can remember fiddling on my pc is because i was gaming on linux and not windows with a game that was made for windows. as far as playing windows games on windows goes, i cant remember ever having a problem and i have been gamin since atari came out with it's first console. I think you sound sad and bitter. please stop arguing over things you obviously have no experience with.

    Aye, sounds legit
  • ryzen_gamer_gal
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    Liww wrote: »
    We all know you console propogandists only defend your rig cuz the bought collectibles are holding you, me included, hostage.

    There are zero to none pro's when it comes to console. multimedia?? link your pc to your tv boom netflix. sit on the couch with a controller? possible on PC aswel. Addons telling you what to do? no one is forcing you to use these, if you want to clear content through skill dont use addons?

    stop telling lies, there's nothing console does better then PC, coming from a console player.

    This.

    Name me one thing that a console can do that a PC can't, and I'll eat my hat.

    "Couch Gaming"?

    There's a reason mATX/ITX form factors exist: So you can fit your PC in your living room and you guessed it! Play games from your couch! I have a good friend who does just this. And I mean an IRL friend. I've used said mini PC myself. Oh... And guys, it's a beast that massively outperforms consoles.

    Reliability. A console is better at guaranteeing every single game you boot up will work 1st time without fail. Without having to spend endless hours trawling the net to pin point why that game won't load on your PC or why it's constantly crashing. Barring a fault that lies squarely with the devs, I can count on one finger how many games haven't worked straight out of the box on console. I can't say the same thing about my gaming pc.

    The only time i can remember fiddling on my pc is because i was gaming on linux and not windows with a game that was made for windows. as far as playing windows games on windows goes, i cant remember ever having a problem and i have been gamin since atari came out with it's first console. I think you sound sad and bitter. please stop arguing over things you obviously have no experience with.

    Aye, sounds legit

    Pong. anyone remember playing pong? it was a blast.
  • ryzen_gamer_gal
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    I played ESO both on PC and PS4 and switched to PS4. Nothing is better than playing beautiful ESO on a huge TV in a comfortable chair with a premium controller. And I cannot wait for the PS5 to get an even more beautiful and fluid ESO in my living room. :)

    you do realize that hdmi is a thing right? you can get an xbox wireless controller, charging station and wireless adapter for 50 bucks used. probably 110$ new blows ps away

    Maybe his house isn't a carbon copy of your house?

    I certainly wouldn't have a PC in my living room (most towers are eyesores) and having kids, the only other plausible place for my PC to be is in the bedroom. And the set up some people talk about on here and on other forums would stick out like a sore thumb in my bedroom. Nor do I or my wife want a big eye sore of a tv in the bedroom. I know none of that makes a difference to you, nor is it very interesting, but it highlights the fact what options you may have won't necessarily be indicative of the next person.

    Then there are those with restrictive space. Basically 1001 reasons why it isn't always as simple as get a hdmi and wireless controller.

    building a box the appox size of a ps or xbox that out performs it is not a difficult thing to do.
  • Prof_Bawbag
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    Liww wrote: »
    We all know you console propogandists only defend your rig cuz the bought collectibles are holding you, me included, hostage.

    There are zero to none pro's when it comes to console. multimedia?? link your pc to your tv boom netflix. sit on the couch with a controller? possible on PC aswel. Addons telling you what to do? no one is forcing you to use these, if you want to clear content through skill dont use addons?

    stop telling lies, there's nothing console does better then PC, coming from a console player.

    This.

    Name me one thing that a console can do that a PC can't, and I'll eat my hat.

    "Couch Gaming"?

    There's a reason mATX/ITX form factors exist: So you can fit your PC in your living room and you guessed it! Play games from your couch! I have a good friend who does just this. And I mean an IRL friend. I've used said mini PC myself. Oh... And guys, it's a beast that massively outperforms consoles.

    Reliability. A console is better at guaranteeing every single game you boot up will work 1st time without fail. Without having to spend endless hours trawling the net to pin point why that game won't load on your PC or why it's constantly crashing. Barring a fault that lies squarely with the devs, I can count on one finger how many games haven't worked straight out of the box on console. I can't say the same thing about my gaming pc.

    The only time i can remember fiddling on my pc is because i was gaming on linux and not windows with a game that was made for windows. as far as playing windows games on windows goes, i cant remember ever having a problem and i have been gamin since atari came out with it's first console. I think you sound sad and bitter. please stop arguing over things you obviously have no experience with.

    Aye, sounds legit

    Pong. anyone remember playing pong? it was a blast.

    Yeah. I then had an Atari st. The worst Atari ever to be released. You used to get a magazine that in theory allowed you to code your own games. Most of the code was incorrect, yet still bought the magazine hoping one of the damn games would take. Then there was the zx spectrum. Hold it upside down and some buttons would fall off. But at the time, it was absolutely amazing.
  • ryzen_gamer_gal
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    forget this mess.. my thin mints just got delivered.. nom nom nom nom
  • TequilaFire
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    Liww wrote: »
    We all know you console propogandists only defend your rig cuz the bought collectibles are holding you, me included, hostage.

    There are zero to none pro's when it comes to console. multimedia?? link your pc to your tv boom netflix. sit on the couch with a controller? possible on PC aswel. Addons telling you what to do? no one is forcing you to use these, if you want to clear content through skill dont use addons?

    stop telling lies, there's nothing console does better then PC, coming from a console player.

    This.

    Name me one thing that a console can do that a PC can't, and I'll eat my hat.

    "Couch Gaming"?

    There's a reason mATX/ITX form factors exist: So you can fit your PC in your living room and you guessed it! Play games from your couch! I have a good friend who does just this. And I mean an IRL friend. I've used said mini PC myself. Oh... And guys, it's a beast that massively outperforms consoles.

    Reliability. A console is better at guaranteeing every single game you boot up will work 1st time without fail. Without having to spend endless hours trawling the net to pin point why that game won't load on your PC or why it's constantly crashing. Barring a fault that lies squarely with the devs, I can count on one finger how many games haven't worked straight out of the box on console. I can't say the same thing about my gaming pc.

    The only time i can remember fiddling on my pc is because i was gaming on linux and not windows with a game that was made for windows. as far as playing windows games on windows goes, i cant remember ever having a problem and i have been gamin since atari came out with it's first console. I think you sound sad and bitter. please stop arguing over things you obviously have no experience with.

    Aye, sounds legit

    Pong. anyone remember playing pong? it was a blast.

    Now if you know what an Imsai 8080 and an S-100 bus is I will be impressed with your ancientness.
    Oh wait I'm old. lol
  • Goregrinder
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    Peekachu99 wrote: »
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    Pointless commentary that ignores 2/3 of the player base as well as the other 90% of the remaining third with terrible hardware. Keep this crap out of the thread please.

    Don't be afraid of 144fps man, it's really not as horrible as you think. Embrace our gift to you!
  • WillhelmBlack
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    Why would anyone want to buy a Playstation?

    My son wants one.

    That's about it.
    PC EU
  • Liww
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    IronWooshu wrote: »

    No one said Skyrim was better kid, I fail to see what point Skyrim or PC is better when discussing the future of PS5 and ESO?

    your IQ must be rediculously low
  • CMDR_Un1k0rn
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    Liww wrote: »
    We all know you console propogandists only defend your rig cuz the bought collectibles are holding you, me included, hostage.

    There are zero to none pro's when it comes to console. multimedia?? link your pc to your tv boom netflix. sit on the couch with a controller? possible on PC aswel. Addons telling you what to do? no one is forcing you to use these, if you want to clear content through skill dont use addons?

    stop telling lies, there's nothing console does better then PC, coming from a console player.

    This.

    Name me one thing that a console can do that a PC can't, and I'll eat my hat.

    "Couch Gaming"?

    There's a reason mATX/ITX form factors exist: So you can fit your PC in your living room and you guessed it! Play games from your couch! I have a good friend who does just this. And I mean an IRL friend. I've used said mini PC myself. Oh... And guys, it's a beast that massively outperforms consoles.

    Reliability. A console is better at guaranteeing every single game you boot up will work 1st time without fail. Without having to spend endless hours trawling the net to pin point why that game won't load on your PC or why it's constantly crashing. Barring a fault that lies squarely with the devs, I can count on one finger how many games haven't worked straight out of the box on console. I can't say the same thing about my gaming pc.

    The only time i can remember fiddling on my pc is because i was gaming on linux and not windows with a game that was made for windows. as far as playing windows games on windows goes, i cant remember ever having a problem and i have been gamin since atari came out with it's first console. I think you sound sad and bitter. please stop arguing over things you obviously have no experience with.

    Every time I ask that question, I always get the "reliability" trash thrown in my face.

    Yeah, my Xbox has a broken dashboard, apps that crash for no explicable reason, and so on. Reliability you say? My PC certainly doesn't have these issues...

    Now if this were happening on my PC, you might have some grounds to say it's my fault, and I wouldn't even argue with you.

    But these issues happen on my Xbox, which apparently is the most reliable bit of kit ever to grace the planet! The Xbox 360 RRoD never happened. Lies! All lies!

    /s

    Consoles are computers. Like any computer, they can "go wrong". Unlike PCs, however, you can't really do much to fix consoles at home. You can't just buy new RAM, you can't just replace the broken disc drive with any old model, you can't upgrade to a more powerful GPU, or maker forbid, simply replace a faulty chip in your console.

    I recently had a critical failure with my HDD. (Before you console bois jump on me, know this: With HDDs, it's not about "if" they fail. It's about "when" they fail. Lesson learnt. My system now runs on SSDs)

    It took my PC completely out of action for a few days. I was lucky that the data could be recovered, and even then, I had to enlist my friend's PC to hook the drive onto.

    But it's still better than the repair "options" available to console users. I didn't even need to reinstall that much software!

    Now, if that happened on a console, you'd be SoL. Only option is to send it under warranty. If it's still covered. You can't buy console parts.

    Look, the only thing a console does better than a PC is price. Yes, there is no disputing that consoles are cheaper than any pre-built system on the market. And that's great!

    But by buying a console, you are buying into a closed eco-system designed by experts to trap you in their private economy. You have been warned.

    Personally I bit the bullet, dumped ESO on Xbox, and started from scratch on PC.

    One of the best decisions of my life. Not only is multiplayer free, but ESO+ is cheaper thanks to month-bundles. Oh, and graphics and FPS are beautiful. Not the muddy slideshow that is Xbox. I still have nightmares about whole cities being untextured...

    And I get to do everything else a PC can do. Try writing a novel on Xbox. It's doable, but it sucks. Not so on my PC. LibreOffice is great, and free.

    So no, I'm not bothered by a couple dozen console exclusives. Not in the slightest. Much more interesting things happening exclusively on PC.

    And there isn't even such a thing as Xbox exclusives anymore. They are now Windows exclusives. As for PS exclusives? Eh'. Can't have everything.

    But PC does get the most.
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  • Goregrinder
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    Wow so much ignorance in this post. Ok so for those who have no clue...

    We do not know what the performance of AMD's Zen 2 architecture will be yet. We THINK the IPC performance will be around 20% better than Zen 1, and maybe 10-15% better than Zen+. That is just what is being speculated based on LEAKED benchmarks.

    We also do not know what clock speeds Zen 2 will be capable of, as some reports claim upwards to a 4.7ghz boost on a single core, others claim around 4.5ghz. Regardless, The PS5 will most likely have one only clocked around 4Ghz or even 3.7Ghz range to save on power.

    With that said, we have absoluty NO IDEA how Navi performs. We have no clue. No one knows.

    What people SPECULATE is that their highest end, fully unlocked Navi based GPU will fall short of matching the 2080 ti in gaming performance. That has been the trend with AMD the past like 6 or so years. Their highest end GPU usually only matches Nvidia's 1080/2080/980 slot etc.

    So with that said, we can SPECULATE that if THAT is where Navi's performance will lie, then we can see how the 2080 ti performs in 8k....and guess that Navi will perform worse, even with better optimizations.

    So lower CPU clock + lower performing GPU compared to a 2080 ti, means 8k GAMING at 60 fps is out of the question for PS5. Unless it is upsampled 8K or some dumb thing like that.

    With that said, playing ESO on a PS5 SHOULD be a far better experience than on an Xbone, probably in line with a high/mid range gaming PC. So similar to running it on a pc with a Ryzen 3600 + 16GB of DDR4 + an SSD + Maybe a 2080 non Ti (assuming navi is as fast or faster).

    Which is quite enough for ESO.
  • IronWooshu
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    Liww wrote: »
    IronWooshu wrote: »

    No one said Skyrim was better kid, I fail to see what point Skyrim or PC is better when discussing the future of PS5 and ESO?

    your IQ must be rediculously low

    Stop moving the goalposts..

    that is literally what you said.....

    "Furthermore I love skyrim/eso on console but it just isn't better, in any regard."

    WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THIS THREAD OR THE PS5????

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    Next time you call someone on their IQ while you are back peddling your ignorance.. just stop and leave it alone.

  • Kiralyn2000
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    Peekachu99 wrote: »
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    Pointless commentary that ignores 2/3 of the player base as well as the other 90% of the remaining third with terrible hardware. Keep this crap out of the thread please.

    Don't be afraid of 144fps man, it's really not as horrible as you think. Embrace our gift to you!

    I play on PC, and I've never seen this silly "144fps" thing. Most "big"/fancy/new games I play are in the 30-40fps range @ 1080p. Because you're not going to see me paying the price of a console for just a GPU.
    (built my current rig 7.5 years ago for $8-900. Just upgraded my GPU this spring to an RX570 for ~155 after rebate. Division 2 is above 30fps, on High-ish.)


    Playing on PC does not automatically equal zillions of frames & Ultra quality. /shrug
  • ryzen_gamer_gal
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    Liww wrote: »
    We all know you console propogandists only defend your rig cuz the bought collectibles are holding you, me included, hostage.

    There are zero to none pro's when it comes to console. multimedia?? link your pc to your tv boom netflix. sit on the couch with a controller? possible on PC aswel. Addons telling you what to do? no one is forcing you to use these, if you want to clear content through skill dont use addons?

    stop telling lies, there's nothing console does better then PC, coming from a console player.

    This.

    Name me one thing that a console can do that a PC can't, and I'll eat my hat.

    "Couch Gaming"?

    There's a reason mATX/ITX form factors exist: So you can fit your PC in your living room and you guessed it! Play games from your couch! I have a good friend who does just this. And I mean an IRL friend. I've used said mini PC myself. Oh... And guys, it's a beast that massively outperforms consoles.

    Reliability. A console is better at guaranteeing every single game you boot up will work 1st time without fail. Without having to spend endless hours trawling the net to pin point why that game won't load on your PC or why it's constantly crashing. Barring a fault that lies squarely with the devs, I can count on one finger how many games haven't worked straight out of the box on console. I can't say the same thing about my gaming pc.

    The only time i can remember fiddling on my pc is because i was gaming on linux and not windows with a game that was made for windows. as far as playing windows games on windows goes, i cant remember ever having a problem and i have been gamin since atari came out with it's first console. I think you sound sad and bitter. please stop arguing over things you obviously have no experience with.

    Aye, sounds legit

    Pong. anyone remember playing pong? it was a blast.

    Now if you know what an Imsai 8080 and an S-100 bus is I will be impressed with your ancientness.
    Oh wait I'm old. lol

    My first computer i bought used from the secretary at our clinic. It was a tandy 1000 with an 8088 processor
  • XxCaLxX
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    Doesn’t anyone play Super Nintendo anymore? True master race.
  • Reistr_the_Unbroken
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    XxCaLxX wrote: »
    Doesn’t anyone play Super Nintendo anymore? True master race.
    Nintendo 3ds? GameCube?
  • MikaHR
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    Every time I ask that question, I always get the "reliability" trash thrown in my face.

    That is because i have tons of real life experience with wannabe leet "PCMR", in fact so much i told the to f..off and buy a console (and we were making tons of $$ as students "repairing PCs" which in 99% of cases consisted of reinstalling some program and charging arm and a leg for it)

    Time to grow up, leave your basement and meet some of that real world ouside, nobody cares about your hardware, in fact, they will look at you very funny if you try to brag about it.
    Edited by MikaHR on April 18, 2019 12:54AM
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    exeeter702 wrote: »
    None of this is news worthy. Consoles are now built under standardized pc architecture. There is absolutely zero reason a game like this wouldnt simply be relased on any relevant platform going forward. There is almost nothing zos would have to do on the back end to make the transition. The only logistical work would be console specific ui integration.

    This is not the mid 2000s anymore. Any generation jump will simply be akin to upgrading a pc. Online games that exist on ps4 that are still generating revenue are not going anywhere.
    Someone get it.
    And it was pretty obvious that this would happen then both consoles did that switch.
    Not only will games be backward compatible, new games who don't require the PS5 power would also run on PS4 then usually with lower settings.
    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
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