Nightblades got gutted

Kalante · April 2019

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

I just don't understand why Nb gets hit with all the nerfs and how the other top classes stay completely untouched. Nb (the med armor and light armor builds) at least can be punished easily for mistakes, meanwhile magicka sorc and heavy sword and board stamdk are just roflstomp. Seeing what they're doing with Nightblade both magsorc and stamdk should get big nerfs as well, mainly to shields/healing and sustain (and pets lol...).

How long has NB been at the top for? You all gotta learn to adapt and also learn the values of things in pve and pvp.

First off you lost 8% dmg through grim focus but..... You gained 8% vulnerability down for the entire group and yourself so that is actually better.

Second is SA is still a great spamable move but it def needed to be toned down because it offered too much between passives and fracture (thinks change slows you down some in pvp but doesn't hurt you at all in group play pve as tank keeps fracture on boss)

Third you guys had way to much with your cheap ultimate the defile is really cheap on such a low cost ultimate that already makes you take 20% more damage.

Fear now keeps them stunned in 1 spot plus hits 6 people now. ......

So let's see now you can open a fight with gap closer to apply minor vulnerability, marked target for your def down, and still spam surprise attack and ulti dump in big burst combos for pvp and if they attempt to recover you fear them in place to fully finish the job so why are you crying exactly? And in pve you actually gained more group play and offer the group minor vulnerability.......

If a anything they should had put minor vulnerabilty to surprise attack. Using the nightblade gap closer is too slow to warrant a spot in the rotation, that is the dumbest idea I've ever heard.

Ashtaris · April 2019

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Rikumaru · April 2019

The funniest part about the NB nerfs, gankers aren't actually affected at all (outside of the snipe change). What these changes actually do is force everyone into heavy or you become a gankblade. And group play? NB's still have zero purpose in groups compared to other classes. Outside of solo / duoing (of which it's only really effective to duo with another nb) they are literally the worst class and that isn't going to get any better with this patch either. And don't get me started on magblade, imagine nerfing the worst open world class out there.

Overall pretty disappointed with these changes. Stamblade needed nerfing in the solo department and buffs in group play but instead got nothing for group play and some pretty severe nerfs for solo play. Magblade is now in an even worse spot than before.

Tommy_The_Gun · April 2019

dazee wrote: »

Koronach wrote: »

All these people that obviously never played an MMORPG before. In other games the Rogue/stealth class can stay in stealth indefinitely till canceled, pulled out with dmg, or atks someone. They don't have a magic bar to cap how long they can stealth. They also get an ability to completely vanish and exit combat to get away. Oh yeah and at some point you can totally nullify the movement penalty while in stealth without a gear set.

These nerfs are only happening due to people who refused to slot stealth counters and got killed in pvp too many times by Nightblades. Once nightblades are awful and no one plays them that will happen a lot less you see.

The funniest part is that the moment NB ganking will be unplayable, ppl will simply jump to different class. We might see some creative gank builds in the future (for example overload sorc based ganker build, or 2h ulti based builds). So all those forum warriors will be like: F THIS. THIS IS EVEN WORSE THAN NB ! !...

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · April 2019

Insco851 wrote: »

You must have gotten trollolololed by every stamblade you could never catch. Talking about larger nerfs like this isn’t already crippling....

15 minute duels... aka stall builds.

I don’t even play stamblade but it’s pretty obvious you bagged any and every stamblade you ever managed to kill.

But I do play stamblade for pvp, the worse of it's kind to one shoot at anything the last five years, a Khajiit. However I see no sport going against weakling visibles, hence for the best part of those year hunting down other NBs. Like I did with my ranger in DAOC.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · April 2019

ruikkarikun wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno
My main is a sorc.
And you nerfing nb while we have such stupid health heavy troll unkillable builds? I saw how 10 ppl with legat + ranks tried to kill 1 stamsorc in troll build for a 5+ minutes.

Yes, he didn't do epic damage to them, but he waited for DBoS and killed a few, just because of frustration. So imagine stack of such players in small and big group with same dks, wardens, templars.

We need someone with high single target damage, who can burst ppl in seconds otherwise it will be just trash stupid tanks fight without any fun. Enjoy.

a) Your main is a pet sorc yes?
b) You missed couple of changes in patch notes in relation to battle spirit and pets. A bug sorcerers were enjoying almost 15 months now

Uryel · April 2019

Shadowasrial wrote: »

Why for the love of god are we always getting the nerfhammer?

Because of PvP whiners. They want some +win stat, so anything that can dent theirdefense is a threat, whine ensues.

That's how Bosmers got gutted of their stealth even in PvE and got a completely useless racial that serves ONLY in PvP. Because whine whine PvP bow gank whine whine. Now, Khajiits are perfect for bow ganking, but hey, whatever.

There was also the "each class needs to bring something unique" which made path of shadows a "meh" skill... Because you know, it should damage OR heal, but not both. But hey, that's only for Nightblades. Templars can have area of effect heal + damage skills, that's mighty fine.

If those changes were PvP only, as in, different set of skills and abilities for PvP and PvE, I wouldn't care. I don't play PvP at all. Took me 4 years to get the skyshards in Cyrodiil, and I did that by sneaking about evading everyone, back shortly before the Bosmers became as stealthy as Nords and Orcs. But as a Bosmer Nightblade main, those changes start to get on my nerves.

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx · April 2019

BooPerScOOper wrote: »

To make Plars the top spot. Why else

Insinuating that Plar hasn't been in top spot since eternity

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Ragnarock41 · April 2019

Oh yeah, don't nerf stamblades, why would you nerf the single most overperforming thing in the game? nerf stamplars instead, and stamsorcs while at it.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · April 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC35DT7Ndyo&feature=youtu.be

I also have another video coming out later tomorrow about this..

I wish I could give more money to ZOS aye. 300+ Ping on average in Australia and now I will do less dps at no fault of my own! Charge me $20 a month please, $15 is far toooo cheap.

Shadowasrial · April 2019

The nerfs definitely need to be looked at again and some more reasonable changes made. Just straight up taking things away rather than adding a few more conditions for the powerful buffs would have been better. I’d have been more than fine flanking for my surprise attacks major fracture and relentless has no real reason to be a heal. They should have left it with one or the other of it’s passives

Deathlord92 · April 2019

First off you lost 8% dmg through grim focus but..... You gained 8% vulnerability down for the entire group and yourself so that is actually better.

Second is SA is still a great spamable move but it def needed to be toned down because it offered too much between passives and fracture (thinks change slows you down some in pvp but doesn't hurt you at all in group play pve as tank keeps fracture on boss)

Third you guys had way to much with your cheap ultimate the defile is really cheap on such a low cost ultimate that already makes you take 20% more damage.

Fear now keeps them stunned in 1 spot plus hits 6 people now. ......

So let's see now you can open a fight with gap closer to apply minor vulnerability, marked target for your def down, and still spam surprise attack and ulti dump in big burst combos for pvp and if they attempt to recover you fear them in place to fully finish the job so why are you crying exactly? And in pve you actually gained more group play and offer the group minor vulnerability.......[/quote]

Not every player likes to play in a group some like to play alone and nothing absolutely nothing about these changes are fair thy will butcher nb no matter what you say or want to believe lots of players know this will sht on nb pet mag sorc very strong warden and templar also very strong magblade needs good heal stam sorc needs some love mag dk seems strong in right right hands not sure there but thy do nothing about the important things because cry babies like ur self litter the forums with nerf nb to op rather thn l2p find a counter play i 1vx nb regularly thy are easy af if you know how to deal with em 😔

Sythen88411 · April 2019

Oh hush

Kidgangster101 · April 2019

Kalante wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

I just don't understand why Nb gets hit with all the nerfs and how the other top classes stay completely untouched. Nb (the med armor and light armor builds) at least can be punished easily for mistakes, meanwhile magicka sorc and heavy sword and board stamdk are just roflstomp. Seeing what they're doing with Nightblade both magsorc and stamdk should get big nerfs as well, mainly to shields/healing and sustain (and pets lol...).

How long has NB been at the top for? You all gotta learn to adapt and also learn the values of things in pve and pvp.

First off you lost 8% dmg through grim focus but..... You gained 8% vulnerability down for the entire group and yourself so that is actually better.

Second is SA is still a great spamable move but it def needed to be toned down because it offered too much between passives and fracture (thinks change slows you down some in pvp but doesn't hurt you at all in group play pve as tank keeps fracture on boss)

Third you guys had way to much with your cheap ultimate the defile is really cheap on such a low cost ultimate that already makes you take 20% more damage.

Fear now keeps them stunned in 1 spot plus hits 6 people now. ......

So let's see now you can open a fight with gap closer to apply minor vulnerability, marked target for your def down, and still spam surprise attack and ulti dump in big burst combos for pvp and if they attempt to recover you fear them in place to fully finish the job so why are you crying exactly? And in pve you actually gained more group play and offer the group minor vulnerability.......

If a anything they should had put minor vulnerabilty to surprise attack. Using the nightblade gap closer is too slow to warrant a spot in the rotation, that is the dumbest idea I've ever heard.

So you want to give your class spamable another very powerful buff? Maybe play like other classes now and have to slot more than 1 bar to do massive damage and gain all your buffs needed from that bar too. Because right now NB has the tools to gank from 1 bar if they really wanted to half ass it.

Kidgangster101 · April 2019

Deathlord92 wrote: »

First off you lost 8% dmg through grim focus but..... You gained 8% vulnerability down for the entire group and yourself so that is actually better.

Second is SA is still a great spamable move but it def needed to be toned down because it offered too much between passives and fracture (thinks change slows you down some in pvp but doesn't hurt you at all in group play pve as tank keeps fracture on boss)

Third you guys had way to much with your cheap ultimate the defile is really cheap on such a low cost ultimate that already makes you take 20% more damage.

Fear now keeps them stunned in 1 spot plus hits 6 people now. ......

So let's see now you can open a fight with gap closer to apply minor vulnerability, marked target for your def down, and still spam surprise attack and ulti dump in big burst combos for pvp and if they attempt to recover you fear them in place to fully finish the job so why are you crying exactly? And in pve you actually gained more group play and offer the group minor vulnerability.......

Not every player likes to play in a group some like to play alone and nothing absolutely nothing about these changes are fair thy will butcher nb no matter what you say or want to believe lots of players know this will sht on nb pet mag sorc very strong warden and templar also very strong magblade needs good heal stam sorc needs some love mag dk seems strong in right right hands not sure there but thy do nothing about the important things because cry babies like ur self litter the forums with nerf nb to op rather thn l2p find a counter play i 1vx nb regularly thy are easy af if you know how to deal with em 😔
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Lol stop please with then "solo play" this is a MMORPG if you enjoy solo play so much maybe this game isn't for that person? Maybe they should go play skyrim or wait for part 6 to come out.

cbritomiranda · April 2019

Universe wrote: »

The changes to Nightblade in PTS are fine.
Some aspects of the Nightblade were OP for far too long.
It's great that ZOS finally realized it and now take the appropriate action.

THIS!

Anyron · April 2019

Shadowasrial wrote: »

Why for the love of god are we always getting the nerfhammer? I mean it’s like zenimax doesn’t like having a rogue playstyle. Nightblades were meant to be single target killers. Meant to be able to quickly kill a SINGLE target. Not multiple. Not fight extended fights against multiple targets. They have steadily destroyed the rogue playstyle with each patch. Just because you get assassinated by one player doesn’t mean they are overpowered. The nightblade was meant to be able to go out into Cyrodil by yourself and be able to put the fear of the gods into whoever was running by themselves. Is that really so bad? I mean you have a nightblade fighting a group and it’s laughable because we can’t fight for extended periods and healing ourselves. Stop killing the rogue playstyle. Instead teach people to actually build to defend against it. Don’t expect to go into pvp and be able to survive every single player you come across. I don’t expect to kill every tank I cross paths with. But I definitely expect to be able to kill a player who I’ve taken by surprise and who is by themselves

So nightblades are here to force other players to zerg. Is that it?

Browiseth · April 2019

ITT: nb mains sit in their echo chamber as the nerfhammer approaches

Jabbs_Giggity · April 2019

BooPerScOOper wrote: »

To make Plars the top spot. Why else

I main a Templar, second a Stamblade and Templars (both stam and mag) are at the bottom of the barrel bruh! I cannot even stand playing with either anymore, it's so sad.

Unless you are playing against inexperienced players, Templars are garbage with their entire tool-kit being gutted.

However, I am a bit ashamed of the proposed changes to NB - it's seriously uncalled for.

moonsugar66 · April 2019

Anyron wrote: »

So nightblades are here to force other players to zerg. Is that it?

Excuse me?! Are you saying “zerging” is new tactic that came about because of one class??

Hold on while I catch my breath...

Zerging = the path of least resistant, and in many cases - easy mode. It’s been a long established convention used to dominate the playing field. People love to win and as much as possible. It’s as simple as that.

LjAnimalchin · April 2019

So even though nightblade has had these tools in their kit for years now, all of a sudden it's too much and they need to remove them... Which shows zos has been either doing the wrong thing for years regarding nightblade, or is doing the wrong thing now. Neither is acceptable in my opinion. If these things are so OP, why were they left in the game for like four years or whatever? And if they aren't op, why are they being removed? Zos needs to be held accountable for their random inconsistent decision making.

Kuramas9tails · April 2019

I will say it again.

And again.

ZOS needs to separate skills for PVE and PVP. Mageblades in PVE should NOT get nerfed because of Stamblades in PVP. This is probably the #1 culprit of unbalances in this game and instead of acknowledging this, they literally teeter-totter everything.

And people in the forum are like "Good, Stamblades are OP in PVP" and ignore the rest of the builds and completely become ignorant to the rotation of a Stamblade in PVP. If people spent as much time learning builds/rotations and how to fight them instead of complaining on the forum about them being OP, they would understand that Stambaldes are literally so easy to counter. Instead, PVE builds get nerfed some more after already getting nerfed before but ZOS wants diversity but ignores the fact that when they nerf one thing, people will then go to the next best thing and then they will end up nerfing that.

It's literally an endless cycle in which none of this will actually get balanced and becomes a "flavor of the patch" again and again.

So many things didn't need touching in this patch and I hope PTS players suggest why it shouldn't happen (or why it should). Literally so many healthy builds get crushed because of something related to a different aspect of the game. Until PVE and PVP gets treated separate, I will always believe every patch is only smearing the oil across the water more and more.

BlackMadara · April 2019

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

I will say it again.

And again.

ZOS needs to separate skills for PVE and PVP. Mageblades in PVE should NOT get nerfed because of Stamblades in PVP. This is probably the #1 culprit of unbalances in this game and instead of acknowledging this, they literally teeter-totter everything.

And people in the forum are like "Good, Stamblades are OP in PVP" and ignore the rest of the builds and completely become ignorant to the rotation of a Stamblade in PVP. If people spent as much time learning builds/rotations and how to fight them instead of complaining on the forum about them being OP, they would understand that Stambaldes are literally so easy to counter. Instead, PVE builds get nerfed some more after already getting nerfed before but ZOS wants diversity but ignores the fact that when they nerf one thing, people will then go to the next best thing and then they will end up nerfing that.

It's literally an endless cycle in which none of this will actually get balanced and becomes a "flavor of the patch" again and again.

So many things didn't need touching in this patch and I hope PTS players suggest why it shouldn't happen (or why it should). Literally so many healthy builds get crushed because of something related to a different aspect of the game. Until PVE and PVP gets treated separate, I will always believe every patch is only smearing the oil across the water more and more.

Half of the nerfs were directed at PvE content. The only thing i disagree with is not giving grim focus and morphs something for activation. It should do something for the magicka cost before the bow proc.

Juhasow · April 2019

On the positive side change to Race Against Time is a huge buff to magblade in PvP. It was always an issue number 1 for magblades to use cloak effectively and disengage from combat while being snared. Now Race Against Time will propvide 4 seconds major expedition and 4 seconds snare/immobilize immunity which will make magblade escapability way easier. Change to wings is also buff to magblades since now they'll be finally able to land some dmg on DKs and no longer risk with debuffing themselves with things like Cripple. There is new set coming out which when combined with necropotence allow magblades to reach some sick values on max magicka going above 60k easily. Fear change seems to be ok for outnumbered situations. Cloak will now last for longer. Soul harvest remains unchanged. At the end of the day it may turns out that magblades got buffed in PvP.

Krec · April 2019

Vietfox wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Replace the word "rogue" with "coward", and the OP's rant makes perfect sense 😁

Just like streak spammers?

^^^^^^

or the button mashing melee'rs or spam wings every other sec types. Not sure why everything has to be melee. Just get rid of ranged, cloak, streak, invisible, light armor, medium armor and have everyone heavy armor s&b

Lab3360 · April 2019

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

I just don't understand why Nb gets hit with all the nerfs and how the other top classes stay completely untouched. Nb (the med armor and light armor builds) at least can be punished easily for mistakes, meanwhile magicka sorc and heavy sword and board stamdk are just roflstomp. Seeing what they're doing with Nightblade both magsorc and stamdk should get big nerfs as well, mainly to shields/healing and sustain (and pets lol...).

How long has NB been at the top for? You all gotta learn to adapt and also learn the values of things in pve and pvp.

First off you lost 8% dmg through grim focus but..... You gained 8% vulnerability down for the entire group and yourself so that is actually better.

Second is SA is still a great spamable move but it def needed to be toned down because it offered too much between passives and fracture (thinks change slows you down some in pvp but doesn't hurt you at all in group play pve as tank keeps fracture on boss)

Third you guys had way to much with your cheap ultimate the defile is really cheap on such a low cost ultimate that already makes you take 20% more damage.

Fear now keeps them stunned in 1 spot plus hits 6 people now. ......

So let's see now you can open a fight with gap closer to apply minor vulnerability, marked target for your def down, and still spam surprise attack and ulti dump in big burst combos for pvp and if they attempt to recover you fear them in place to fully finish the job so why are you crying exactly? And in pve you actually gained more group play and offer the group minor vulnerability.......

If a anything they should had put minor vulnerabilty to surprise attack. Using the nightblade gap closer is too slow to warrant a spot in the rotation, that is the dumbest idea I've ever heard.

So you want to give your class spamable another very powerful buff? Maybe play like other classes now and have to slot more than 1 bar to do massive damage and gain all your buffs needed from that bar too. Because right now NB has the tools to gank from 1 bar if they really wanted to half ass it.

Why should every class play the same?

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO · April 2019

Tigerseye wrote: »

Yeah, that must be it...

Whereas, grown men who choose to play a sneaky, ganky class don't have any "real world issues" at all, lol.

I have a boyfriend (IRL) who would probably choose to play nb, if he played this game (as he likes sneaking about, in the shadows, in general) and much as I love him, I do view it as a failing, I'm afraid.

It is SUPER ironic that you've chosen a tiger for both your avatar and your name.

Do you know that almost without exception, every solitary apex predator that we popularize is an ambush hunter? The ONLY time you see these creatures fight in a head-to-head context is when they're competing among THEMSELVES for mates or territory, and these contests are rarely fatal.

When they kill, they do it from stealth. The ambush has been evolutionarily selected for because it WORKS.

When you find a large apex predator that's not a solitary ambush hunter, it's almost always a pack hunter.

Turns out, Mother Nature HIGHLY favors gankers and zergs.

/shrug

P.S.: Lest you think I'm getting on my moral high-horse, I NEVER run gank builds.

Ew.

Kidgangster101 · April 2019

Lab3360 wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

I just don't understand why Nb gets hit with all the nerfs and how the other top classes stay completely untouched. Nb (the med armor and light armor builds) at least can be punished easily for mistakes, meanwhile magicka sorc and heavy sword and board stamdk are just roflstomp. Seeing what they're doing with Nightblade both magsorc and stamdk should get big nerfs as well, mainly to shields/healing and sustain (and pets lol...).

How long has NB been at the top for? You all gotta learn to adapt and also learn the values of things in pve and pvp.

First off you lost 8% dmg through grim focus but..... You gained 8% vulnerability down for the entire group and yourself so that is actually better.

Second is SA is still a great spamable move but it def needed to be toned down because it offered too much between passives and fracture (thinks change slows you down some in pvp but doesn't hurt you at all in group play pve as tank keeps fracture on boss)

Third you guys had way to much with your cheap ultimate the defile is really cheap on such a low cost ultimate that already makes you take 20% more damage.

Fear now keeps them stunned in 1 spot plus hits 6 people now. ......

So let's see now you can open a fight with gap closer to apply minor vulnerability, marked target for your def down, and still spam surprise attack and ulti dump in big burst combos for pvp and if they attempt to recover you fear them in place to fully finish the job so why are you crying exactly? And in pve you actually gained more group play and offer the group minor vulnerability.......

If a anything they should had put minor vulnerabilty to surprise attack. Using the nightblade gap closer is too slow to warrant a spot in the rotation, that is the dumbest idea I've ever heard.

So you want to give your class spamable another very powerful buff? Maybe play like other classes now and have to slot more than 1 bar to do massive damage and gain all your buffs needed from that bar too. Because right now NB has the tools to gank from 1 bar if they really wanted to half ass it.

Why should every class play the same?

So your telling me just because you have to slot marked target now which btw is another class skill to gain major fracture is a bad thing? You nightblades want everything so easy mode that you can spam 1 move while falling asleep and have max results? Lolol

Most classes don't actually have nearly as many options for moves as nightblades do. Seriously tired of everyone saying NB is unplayable when in reality people saying that have no concept how to do anything besides having everything built into a 1 bar loadout

Mintaka5 · April 2019

I reiterate

Koronach · April 2019

dazee wrote: »

Koronach wrote: »

All these people that obviously never played an MMORPG before. In other games the Rogue/stealth class can stay in stealth indefinitely till canceled, pulled out with dmg, or atks someone. They don't have a magic bar to cap how long they can stealth. They also get an ability to completely vanish and exit combat to get away. Oh yeah and at some point you can totally nullify the movement penalty while in stealth without a gear set.

These nerfs are only happening due to people who refused to slot stealth counters and got killed in pvp too many times by Nightblades. Once nightblades are awful and no one plays them that will happen a lot less you see.

Same reason faction lock is happening. People who play one way hate those who dont play as they do and want them forced to choose to either play as they do or not play at all.

Oh I don't disagree. My post was aimed at the people crying about cloak and NB being stealthy and not fighting fair. Like last time I checked that's the whole point of a stealth class.