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Nightblades got gutted
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ItsNebula✭✭✭✭✭Because the class takes very little skill to play.
(Let me elaborate)
Its by FAR the easiest class to play.. its why new players pick it first.. super easy to learn.. but hard to master (every class is hard to master, however NB is hard to 1vX on)
No other class has an ult thats as cheap as the NBs ult, and gives it/them what Incap gives the NB user.
Defile, 15% Dmg increase (Correct me if im wrong idr its been a while since ive touched my StamBlade) a stun (Even tho they made it to where you need 125 ult to stun.. but building ult on NB is easy asf) and a fracture. Not to mention a very powerful spamable thats hard to dodge.
But im also a veteran of the game and a skilled PvPer, so i guess im kinda bias in saying StamBlade is hard to play.. but whether you ride the StamBlade fanboy train or not, theres no denying the fact that Incap was very overpowered pre-nerfs.
HOWEVER; Some of the changes to NB this patch are just WAY to much.. especially for MagBlade (It already being the worst class open world imo)
ZOS is a very, VERY questionable dev team without a doubt.3 -
Deathlord92✭✭✭✭✭
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Why do I keep seeing people say Stamblades are OP, much less good? I’m starting to think it’s people commenting who don’t even pvp.[/quote]
You here this from unskilled players who dont understand how to develop counter or circumventing measure for combat.
So rather than getting better, they ask for dev intervention.
Then the devs use it as an excuse to nerf with the appearance they are making actual game improvements.[/quote]
This person knows completely agree to many unskilled cry baby’s asking for nb nerfs completely unjust 😔
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SidraWillowsky✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Because the class takes very little skill to play.
(Let me elaborate)
Its by FAR the easiest class to play.. its why new players pick it first.. super easy to learn.. but hard to master (every class is hard to master, however NB is hard to 1vX on)
No other class has an ult thats as cheap as the NBs ult, and gives it/them what Incap gives the NB user.
Defile, 15% Dmg increase (Correct me if im wrong idr its been a while since ive touched my StamBlade) a stun (Even tho they made it to where you need 125 ult to stun.. but building ult on NB is easy asf) and a fracture. Not to mention a very powerful spamable thats hard to dodge.
But im also a veteran of the game and a skilled PvPer, so i guess im kinda bias in saying StamBlade is hard to play.. but whether you ride the StamBlade fanboy train or not, theres no denying the fact that Incap was very overpowered pre-nerfs.
HOWEVER; Some of the changes to NB this patch are just WAY to much.. especially for MagBlade (It already being the worst class open world imo)
ZOS is a very, VERY questionable dev team without a doubt.
I looked up the results of several recent polls asking which class was the easiest, and NB came up almost never. The general consensus is Sorc, probably because... petsorc. Stamblade actually comes up as one of the most DIFFICULT classes to play...12 -
AndyMac✭✭✭✭✭I’m not surprised really -or maybe that it took so long. I PvP in Vivec NA pretty regularly and the most notorious gankers are
stamblades.
If you’re derping around, not stealthing or shielded, then expect the hit lol. And if they do get you with your defences down - you’re pretty much *******
When they get caught, it’s usual to see a whole group of players laying into them lol.
I’ll be interested to see how many stamblades there are PvP after the update.Andymac - Magicka DK - EP Grand Overlord - Flawless Conqueror3 -
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✭✭✭✭Massive_Stain wrote: »
I’ve been around since pre-One Tam
Go find me a buff that didn’t break things in the process. Go find a buff to NBs that was actually a buff to NB and not every class all at once.
Grim Focus falls off the moment combat lulls instead of on recast (but god forbid we can mount)
Shadowy Image can be cast without a target, but it won’t work on even slightly uneven terrain
Meanwhile for those “buffs”, NB healers lost their hurt-to-heal playstyle, sap tanks got destroyed, dodge tanks got destroyed, LA PvP magblades got destroyed
Cost of using Grim Focus effectively doubled, Evasion completely removed, still no class defense while shields and healing ward got nerfs, cost of Incap increased so DBoS will always be better especially now
The one buff that was more a QoL fix than anything else: Siphoning and Grim Focus not punishing heavy attacks5 -
ilcavallo✭✭✭Illuvatarr wrote: »From a PvP perspective...
Stamblades are currently overloaded. I'm running senches, eternal hunt, 1 Balorgh, 1 kena on mine currently. I have incredible sustain (including magica) and hit like a truck.
Incap - it needed looking at. Hits hard, cheap, applies major defile and increased damage against opponent. Not suprised 1 element got nerfed.
Suprise attack - is it strong? Yes, very. Did it need to lose major fracture though. Not really.
Minor beserk - big loss to lose this. Did gain minor vulernability on the gap closer though which is decent.
Minor endurance - pretty crap to lose this, not really warranted either. One of the only two ways to get this right? Warden has the other way.
They needed bringing down a bit, but not this much. They lost a LOT of damage.
Oh, and rip mageblade. Wtf are ZOS even doing with this class? Major beserk loss hits them harder than stamblade imo. Gutted dark cloak which was fine as it was. It was useful and not too strong. DKs aren't a complete hard counter anymore, just a big counter....which is something I guess?
Adapt.
The things is we don't have to adapt to these changes. There are a number of games that are far more stable. No reason for an ESO subscription if the development team is going to turn the game upside down each quarter.7 -
Valion✭✭✭If you ask me, this might end up close to finishing my sub - after more than five years of continuous support.
They seem to have focussed the nerfs on the very exact way I was playing my PVE NB.
Since the race rebalance, I opted back to a Dunmer, stamina/hybrid vampire approach with Degeneration, Sap Essence (!), Relentless Focus, a doze of Psijic Order's Crushing Weapon, the usual implementation of bow and caltrops - and Surprise Attack as my off/def spammable.
A lot of work went into this, and also a lot of farming, since I got rid of Camouflaged Hunter this way.
Golden Toothrow, anyone? :'(
Honestly, I feel pure disappointment with my stamblade in mind.
Add up that "OP magicka Vicious Ophidian" called Perfected False God’s Devotion - and you might end with a bitter grim better not to focus your thoughts on.
Farewell, Nightblades.
Farewell, ESO?Edited by Valion on April 16, 2019 11:06PM"What does not redound to the swarm's advantage, that does not serve the single bee either."
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Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭Illuvatarr wrote: »From a PvP perspective...
Stamblades are currently overloaded. I'm running senches, eternal hunt, 1 Balorgh, 1 kena on mine currently. I have incredible sustain (including magica) and hit like a truck.
Incap - it needed looking at. Hits hard, cheap, applies major defile and increased damage against opponent. Not suprised 1 element got nerfed.
Suprise attack - is it strong? Yes, very. Did it need to lose major fracture though. Not really.
Minor beserk - big loss to lose this. Did gain minor vulernability on the gap closer though which is decent.
Minor endurance - pretty crap to lose this, not really warranted either. One of the only two ways to get this right? Warden has the other way.
They needed bringing down a bit, but not this much. They lost a LOT of damage.
Oh, and rip mageblade. Wtf are ZOS even doing with this class? Major beserk loss hits them harder than stamblade imo. Gutted dark cloak which was fine as it was. It was useful and not too strong. DKs aren't a complete hard counter anymore, just a big counter....which is something I guess?
Adapt.
The things is we don't have to adapt to these changes. There are a number of games that are far more stable. No reason for an ESO subscription if the development team is going to turn the game upside down each quarter.
Dude...I couldnt agree with you more. Im not dumb enough to give these guys anymore money only wonder which of my builds will be dismantled next. F that.
All done till these so called dev come to there damn senses.
You speek the truth there bro.
What other mmo are you thinking about going back to or trying?
Nevermind. I will PM you.5 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭Illuvatarr wrote: »From a PvP perspective...
Stamblades are currently overloaded. I'm running senches, eternal hunt, 1 Balorgh, 1 kena on mine currently. I have incredible sustain (including magica) and hit like a truck.
Incap - it needed looking at. Hits hard, cheap, applies major defile and increased damage against opponent. Not suprised 1 element got nerfed.
Suprise attack - is it strong? Yes, very. Did it need to lose major fracture though. Not really.
Minor beserk - big loss to lose this. Did gain minor vulernability on the gap closer though which is decent.
Minor endurance - pretty crap to lose this, not really warranted either. One of the only two ways to get this right? Warden has the other way.
They needed bringing down a bit, but not this much. They lost a LOT of damage.
Oh, and rip mageblade. Wtf are ZOS even doing with this class? Major beserk loss hits them harder than stamblade imo. Gutted dark cloak which was fine as it was. It was useful and not too strong. DKs aren't a complete hard counter anymore, just a big counter....which is something I guess?
Adapt.
The things is we don't have to adapt to these changes. There are a number of games that are far more stable. No reason for an ESO subscription if the development team is going to turn the game upside down each quarter.
Lol. One of the dumbest statement on forum.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I just started a new Imperial nightblade character just two weeks ago. *Sighs* Great. Thanks, ZOS. :'(0 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭SidraWillowsky wrote: »Because the class takes very little skill to play.
(Let me elaborate)
Its by FAR the easiest class to play.. its why new players pick it first.. super easy to learn.. but hard to master (every class is hard to master, however NB is hard to 1vX on)
No other class has an ult thats as cheap as the NBs ult, and gives it/them what Incap gives the NB user.
Defile, 15% Dmg increase (Correct me if im wrong idr its been a while since ive touched my StamBlade) a stun (Even tho they made it to where you need 125 ult to stun.. but building ult on NB is easy asf) and a fracture. Not to mention a very powerful spamable thats hard to dodge.
But im also a veteran of the game and a skilled PvPer, so i guess im kinda bias in saying StamBlade is hard to play.. but whether you ride the StamBlade fanboy train or not, theres no denying the fact that Incap was very overpowered pre-nerfs.
HOWEVER; Some of the changes to NB this patch are just WAY to much.. especially for MagBlade (It already being the worst class open world imo)
ZOS is a very, VERY questionable dev team without a doubt.
I looked up the results of several recent polls asking which class was the easiest, and NB came up almost never. The general consensus is Sorc, probably because... petsorc. Stamblade actually comes up as one of the most DIFFICULT classes to play...
The pvp crybabies are too stupid to read or understand poll1 -
dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭All these people that obviously never played an MMORPG before. In other games the Rogue/stealth class can stay in stealth indefinitely till canceled, pulled out with dmg, or atks someone. They don't have a magic bar to cap how long they can stealth. They also get an ability to completely vanish and exit combat to get away. Oh yeah and at some point you can totally nullify the movement penalty while in stealth without a gear set.
These nerfs are only happening due to people who refused to slot stealth counters and got killed in pvp too many times by Nightblades. Once nightblades are awful and no one plays them that will happen a lot less you see.
Same reason faction lock is happening. People who play one way hate those who dont play as they do and want them forced to choose to either play as they do or not play at all.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.3 -
Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The changes to Nightblade in PTS are fine.
Some aspects of the Nightblade were OP for far too long.
It's great that ZOS finally realized it and now take the appropriate action.
Surprise Attack losing Major Fracture is not fine. The Relentless/Merciless changes are strange and don't make much sense, although, losing Minor Berserk is totally fine, the compensation for it isn't. The 8% damage nerf and the Major Fracture nerf, is way too much of a damage loss in solo situations for a single patch. The Minor Berserk removal would have been enough along with the Incap and Fear nerf. So yes, it was definitely overnerfed.@ Izaki #PCEU
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unknowngamer✭✭The 2h Wrecking blow/Onslaught gankblade is pretty much safe. the 8% damage loss,while nice to have, never really made/broke the build anyways - the damage already overkills most intended targets.
If anything, this change will just result in even more gankblades roaming.2 -
HackTheMinotaur✭✭✭✭ruikkarikun wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno
My main is a sorc.
And you nerfing nb while we have such stupid health heavy troll unkillable builds? I saw how 10 ppl with legat + ranks tried to kill 1 stamsorc in troll build for a 5+ minutes.
Yes, he didn't do epic damage to them, but he waited for DBoS and killed a few, just because of frustration. So imagine stack of such players in small and big group with same dks, wardens, templars.
We need someone with high single target damage, who can burst ppl in seconds otherwise it will be just trash stupid tanks fight without any fun. Enjoy.
This is one of my main points. In the ecosystem of PVP, stam nightblades are one of the main predators of unkillabke Magicka Templar healbots. Incap with Major defile can get the job done if you have a few other players with you.
Other than the handful of mag nightblades still around now, what is the only other class with easy access to major defile? Magicka Templar with dark flare of course! Lol!!
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Wycks✭✭✭✭One of the problems with NB's is they are VERY strong versus bad players, but they are actually pretty balanced versus good players.
Snipers were always lame so bring on the nerf, but melee NB's are not as easy as people might think, lot people roll them and get decimated in bg's so they end up easy-mode sniping.
What even worse is I've been a khajit NB since day one and this is a khajit release , am I supposed to be excited about major mangle, a buff to fear, or a stupid relentless bow proc heal.
We needed something cool or requiring more skill (bleeds, poisons, etc) to offset all these nerfs.The numbers thing is always going to be there, but it’s more down to player skill and there are ways through ability choice to configure a group to be stronger vs. large groups of people. - BRAIN WHEELER - 2012 - LOL5 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭HackTheMinotaur wrote: »ruikkarikun wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno
My main is a sorc.
And you nerfing nb while we have such stupid health heavy troll unkillable builds? I saw how 10 ppl with legat + ranks tried to kill 1 stamsorc in troll build for a 5+ minutes.
Yes, he didn't do epic damage to them, but he waited for DBoS and killed a few, just because of frustration. So imagine stack of such players in small and big group with same dks, wardens, templars.
We need someone with high single target damage, who can burst ppl in seconds otherwise it will be just trash stupid tanks fight without any fun. Enjoy.
This is one of my main points. In the ecosystem of PVP, stam nightblades are one of the main predators of unkillabke Magicka Templar healbots. Incap with Major defile can get the job done if you have a few other players with you.
Other than the handful of mag nightblades still around now, what is the only other class with easy access to major defile? Magicka Templar with dark flare of course! Lol!!
Yes, this was always the group role on Stam or magblade... high pressure on a healer so the aoe guys could stop the stall play in groups.
Now? Probably gotta be a necro
LulzEdited by Insco851 on April 17, 2019 1:09AM0 -
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✭lol... "group role."
I don't think I've ever seen a NB in a group while in cyrodiil. All I ever see are gankblades spamming snipe on stray players and popping stealth the moment I reach them.
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✭Canned_Apples wrote: »lol... "group role."
I don't think I've ever seen a NB in a group while in cyrodiil. All I ever see are gankblades spamming snipe on stray players and popping stealth the moment I reach them.
They are the worst group class in the game... where do they shine? Single target burst/pressure. Major defile tied to the ulti... aka go kill the healer.
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✭✭✭I just don't understand why Nb gets hit with all the nerfs and how the other top classes stay completely untouched. Nb (the med armor and light armor builds) at least can be punished easily for mistakes, meanwhile magicka sorc and heavy sword and board stamdk are just roflstomp. Seeing what they're doing with Nightblade both magsorc and stamdk should get big nerfs as well, mainly to shields/healing and sustain (and pets lol...).I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.5 -
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✭So people will buy elsweyr to get the op necromancer class.
you cant sell stuff is there is already something better.
I will buy elsweyr for lore/story no matter how bleepck up it is.
but I will never make a necro bleeptard.3 -
Valldez✭✭✭every time i played BG on my bowtard, must be at least 1 guy who PM me and trash talk because he got 1 shot..Edited by Valldez on April 17, 2019 2:54AM0
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linoge63✭✭✭Illuvatarr wrote: »From a PvP perspective...
Stamblades are currently overloaded. I'm running senches, eternal hunt, 1 Balorgh, 1 kena on mine currently. I have incredible sustain (including magica) and hit like a truck.
Incap - it needed looking at. Hits hard, cheap, applies major defile and increased damage against opponent. Not suprised 1 element got nerfed.
Suprise attack - is it strong? Yes, very. Did it need to lose major fracture though. Not really.
Minor beserk - big loss to lose this. Did gain minor vulernability on the gap closer though which is decent.
Minor endurance - pretty crap to lose this, not really warranted either. One of the only two ways to get this right? Warden has the other way.
They needed bringing down a bit, but not this much. They lost a LOT of damage.
Oh, and rip mageblade. Wtf are ZOS even doing with this class? Major beserk loss hits them harder than stamblade imo. Gutted dark cloak which was fine as it was. It was useful and not too strong. DKs aren't a complete hard counter anymore, just a big counter....which is something I guess?
Adapt.
I decided to take a step further than adapt and agree with Eckhart Tolle's "The Power of Yes" axiom.
In this case --YES to nerfs. ESO + went to ESO -
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MirelaUmbrella✭✭✭Pretty excited that they finally nerfed the class that has literally been top tier in pvp for years. Everyone crying about it being a result of "people dieing and complaining" are probably stamnb mains who have been carried by the class for years.
We'll see how many stamnb mains are actually decent players once this patch goes live. They'll need to actually run damage to kill people, they'll need to build a little more into sustain to have good sustain, and you'll have a chance of recovering from an incap.
Hallelujah.
I mean, when I'm playing light armor resto-destro templar in pvp and I'm ganked by a nb, I'm usually going 'awwww, a little nb tried to gank me, that's so cute'. Cause i have better healing, better sustain, better resistances than a cute tiny nb. If they can't kill me with their first burst, they can't kill me at all. And they're getting nerfed now thehehe.4 -
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✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »I just don't understand why Nb gets hit with all the nerfs and how the other top classes stay completely untouched. Nb (the med armor and light armor builds) at least can be punished easily for mistakes, meanwhile magicka sorc and heavy sword and board stamdk are just roflstomp. Seeing what they're doing with Nightblade both magsorc and stamdk should get big nerfs as well, mainly to shields/healing and sustain (and pets lol...).
How long has NB been at the top for? You all gotta learn to adapt and also learn the values of things in pve and pvp.
First off you lost 8% dmg through grim focus but..... You gained 8% vulnerability down for the entire group and yourself so that is actually better.
Second is SA is still a great spamable move but it def needed to be toned down because it offered too much between passives and fracture (thinks change slows you down some in pvp but doesn't hurt you at all in group play pve as tank keeps fracture on boss)
Third you guys had way to much with your cheap ultimate the defile is really cheap on such a low cost ultimate that already makes you take 20% more damage.
Fear now keeps them stunned in 1 spot plus hits 6 people now. ......
So let's see now you can open a fight with gap closer to apply minor vulnerability, marked target for your def down, and still spam surprise attack and ulti dump in big burst combos for pvp and if they attempt to recover you fear them in place to fully finish the job so why are you crying exactly? And in pve you actually gained more group play and offer the group minor vulnerability.......1 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Just sounds like your delightful, ganking "playstyle" is now slightly less easy to perform.
I've heard it all before, in other games, from players who only ever play the easiest and/or the nastiest classes and then demand all the other classes (or their "victim" classes) are nerfed even further.
If that isn't the case, here, then I apologise - it just always is the case everywhere else.Edited by Tigerseye on April 17, 2019 5:18AM1 -
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✭✭✭TheTwistedRune wrote: »Sadly the inadequacies of some PVP players ruin the game for everybody, even those of us who only PVE. It is a strange mindset, to lose a battle and blame everything except yourself.
Clearly, these people have deep rooted real world issues.
Yeah, that must be it...
Whereas, grown men who choose to play a sneaky, ganky class don't have any "real world issues" at all, lol.
I have a boyfriend (IRL) who would probably choose to play nb, if he played this game (as he likes sneaking about, in the shadows, in general) and much as I love him, I do view it as a failing, I'm afraid.
Edited by Tigerseye on April 17, 2019 5:41AM2