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While you are at rebalancing don't forget about Shadow Cloak / Disguise
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Taktak✭✭✭Now:
Shadow Cloak
Cloak yourself in shadow to become invisible for 2.5 seconds.
Shadowy Disguise
Cloak yourself in shadow to become invisible for 2.5 seconds.
Your next attack within 3 seconds will always be a Critical Strike.
Suggestion:
Shadow Cloak
Cloak yourself in shadow to become invisible for 2.5 seconds.
Casting again within 5 seconds cost 50% more Magicka.
Shadowy Disguise
Cloak yourself in shadow to become invisible for 2.5 seconds.
Your next attack within 3 seconds will always be a Critical Strike.
Casting again within 5 seconds cost 50% more Magicka.
i agree with you, Shadow Cloak need some nerf also2 -
FleetwoodSmack✭✭✭✭✭
✭david_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »
I don,t understand ? I gues snot, I don,t see why you are asking for a sorc class to be ended to you while I ask for cloak to get a mecanic that prevent spamming it.
Ok, you clearly need to learn to read.
I was about to give them the benefit of the doubt, but now I'm just wanting the LOL button back.Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!4 -
ShadowHvo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Add this to all heals and shields, then it will be fair.
Until then, this suggestion will continue to remain an idiotic example of someone who refuses to use one of several counters to an easily countered spell.Nighren - The Shadow StrikerLeader of Bloodlines-- EU --
Want to roleplay in elder scrolls online? Check out eso-rp.com6 -
Emmagoldman✭✭✭✭✭
✭david_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »
You are missing the context. Streak got the treatment along with roll dodging and regen of stam while blocking..
Cloak is fine. If you need help countering it on sorc it’s for sure ltp. Nbs have a very typical attack. Just learn to counter and use streak through their cloaking.
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FleetwoodSmack✭✭✭✭✭
✭Emmagoldman wrote: »david_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »
You are missing the context. Streak got the treatment along with roll dodging and regen of stam while blocking..
Cloak is fine. If you need help countering it on sorc it’s for sure ltp. Nbs have a very typical attack. Just learn to counter and use streak through their cloaking.
But see, they have just magelight.
To counter.
Just magelight. Apparently.Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!0 -
Commancho✭✭✭✭✭FleetwoodSmack wrote: »Also; If you think cloak is bad? Try invisibility potions with added effects and then tell us how OP cloak is.
It's difficult to compare pots with 45s cooldown to ability you can use on your call. Detected? Roll-dodge, cloak. You are safe again. Let them burn rescources on searching you while you are happily sprinting with vampire's speed boost.0 -
dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Beucase people refuse to learn to counter cloak they want to make it even more useless on stam builds. yeah classic. no thanks. ZOS knows better I hope.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.4 -
Nerftheforums✭✭✭✭✭
✭FleetwoodSmack wrote: »Now:
People don't use counters against cloak.
Suggestion:
Start using counters against cloak.
"bUt ThEy DoN't WoRk!1!!1!"
Fun fact, they do work. They work really well if you know what you're doing. I've been sniffing out cloakers at Nik almost on the daily when my alliance has it. Is it annoying if they get away? Sure. But it's like fishing. They'll hit that bait at least three times before trying to make a gank. If they were smart, they'd realize it by now. But they haven't and I'm bettin' that they won't. So nerfing cloak? Ruins my fishing experience. Don't get in my way for my NB fishing achievement.
From my experience - 8 of 10 players in BG are Nightblades. I don't want to play PVP for fishing, I want action and I'm tired of cloaking cowards running away in the diffrent directions when they see me just to regroup when I'm busy with fighting someone esle. I don't want my kills to be stolen by cowards from my team cloaking and waiting for me to do the job so they can finish off my targets. Stamblade shouldn't have such a great access to this cheezy tactic and it should be limited for Magblades as well. Nightblades can get something in exchange increasing their survivalibity or healing.
Your experience doesn't create a statistics. Git gud, stop crying, learn to fight.7 -
Commancho✭✭✭✭✭Beucase people refuse to learn to counter cloak they want to make it even more useless on stam builds. yeah classic. no thanks. ZOS knows better I hope.
Because Nightblades refuse to learn to use cloak as one of the elements of their tactics instead of being a one trick pony they don't wanto to have any changes. ZOS knows better I hope.
Nope, ZOS has statistics and I can bet that NB is way more overused than any other class ;-)Nerftheforums wrote: »Your experience doesn't create a statistics. Git gud, stop crying, learn to fight.
Git gud, stop crying, learn to fight <without spamming cloak>.1 -
Girl_Number8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Cloak is fine. They should revert the dark cloak changes but I guess they want to help their crutch class.
Can't wait to hear players whine about the necro too, lol.
Op stop being petty and asking for more nerfs. Zos are already doing that well enough on their own. Guess they still need a few more years to look at the servers....Edited by Girl_Number8 on April 16, 2019 3:14PM6 -
Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Obligatory "let's please remember how this will impact thief characters in PvE" post.
That is all.1 -
OwnerOfSuccuby✭✭✭It is not a problem now. There will not be so much nb and the snipe was cut in dmg, so harder to shot from distant. In close combat he is not so easy get away.0
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JAwtunes✭✭✭✭Sorc wants to steak so presses streak and streaks. NB wants to cloak and may cloak, or may just waste time and Magicka. They are NOT comparable. I remember being pulled out of cloak by dots I applied on enemies... Without taking any reflected dk damage, just my own dot. Fun times. Either way, it's obvious that most forum monkeys only play one class and resource, they are the most clueless and angry. Thankfully zos normally filter forum noise from one trick players when considering feedback.3 -
hakan✭✭✭✭✭david_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »the year is 2035, people are still complaining about rogues and stealth in MMOs, even after they've been pretty much in all MMOs since their creation, people still refuse to learn to play against them and demands they are nerfed... again.
But ESO is the only MMO with stealth not beeing on CD. In most MMO its on a 1 to 2 mins CD. Its not something that you could spam.
because nothing is on CD? Hm?0 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Nah, invisibility is too inconsistent for this to be a fair change. You'd know if you were familiar with the ability you're proposing to change. A better, more fair change would be to stop magicka and Stam Regen while invisible.1 -
ilcavallo✭✭✭Everything in the NB toolkit gets nerfed and it’s estill not enough for the Bads
I suspect that about half these changes will go live, so the development team can sell them as somewhat of a compromise and part of their new "balancing" philosophy. Many will still recognize them as yet another round of unnecessary nerfs and find a different game. I've had countless friends quit as a result of this nonsense, while issues such as lag and long loading screens remain unaddressed.0 -
FleetwoodSmack✭✭✭✭✭
✭FleetwoodSmack wrote: »Also; If you think cloak is bad? Try invisibility potions with added effects and then tell us how OP cloak is.
It's difficult to compare pots with 45s cooldown to ability you can use on your call. Detected? Roll-dodge, cloak. You are safe again. Let them burn rescources on searching you while you are happily sprinting with vampire's speed boost.
Actually, it's not always 45s, boo. See, you have potion reduction enchantments. Sure, it gimps your damage, but in the end it can make that impale spamming Nightblade steal your kills. Not to mention that they're more effective since half the time cloak doesn't fully work in numerous amounts of situations.Beucase people refuse to learn to counter cloak they want to make it even more useless on stam builds. yeah classic. no thanks. ZOS knows better I hope.
Because Nightblades refuse to learn to use cloak as one of the elements of their tactics instead of being a one trick pony they don't wanto to have any changes. ZOS knows better I hope.
Well, with that logic;
DKs should've learned to fight without wings.
Sorcs should've learned to fight without shields.
Templars should've learned to heal without Major Mending.
Wardens should've just never have had Cliffracers out of the gate.
I could go on in more detail, but people who actually know how to counter cloak? Know how classes lose identity. Find friends if you want a better group in Battlegrounds if you don't want cloakers.Nerftheforums wrote: »Your experience doesn't create a statistics. Git gud, stop crying, learn to fight.
Nope, ZOS has statistics and I can bet that NB is way more overused than any other class ;-)
Git gud, stop crying, learn to fight <without spamming cloak>.
You're right. ZoS has statistics. But your over-exaggerated 'experience' doesn't negate their statistics. While they may be 'overused', the same could be said about DKs and Sorcs. I encounter and kill those two classes more than NBs. A few patches ago, it was nearing that with Wardens. Or back when Beamplars were everywhere spamming the ability on people who had full health. The same will be said once Necro goes live.
"BuT nIgHtBlAdEs hAvE KloAck!!1!11!!1!zomg!1!1!1!1
Adorable!
Edited by FleetwoodSmack on April 16, 2019 9:28PMTell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!5 -
Victor_Blade✭✭✭✭It's your build defines your class in ESO, so how about let's give cloak to all classes and we will see how many Nightblades will remain loyal to their class? Or 5p set which grants you invisibility while you are sneaking?
Invisibility pots?Edited by Victor_Blade on April 16, 2019 10:28PM0 -
dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭People wanting even more NB nerfs should be forced to play only NB for a month or 3 before their opinions are taken seriously.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.5 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sure, if it comes with a major class survival buff. Otherwise you are just showing your pugliness.1 -
Commancho✭✭✭✭✭
@FleetwoodSmackFleetwoodSmack wrote: »Well, with that logic;
DKs should've learned to fight without wings.
Sorcs should've learned to fight without shields.
Templars should've learned to heal without Major Mending.
Wardens should've just never have had Cliffracers out of the gate.
All of these things get nerfed or they have been already nerfed.
ZOS has all statistics so spare yourself tirades - they just need to look into it.
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MirelaUmbrella✭✭✭FleetwoodSmack wrote: »Now:
People don't use counters against cloak.
Suggestion:
Start using counters against cloak.
"bUt ThEy DoN't WoRk!1!!1!"
Fun fact, they do work. They work really well if you know what you're doing. I've been sniffing out cloakers at Nik almost on the daily when my alliance has it. Is it annoying if they get away? Sure. But it's like fishing. They'll hit that bait at least three times before trying to make a gank. If they were smart, they'd realize it by now. But they haven't and I'm bettin' that they won't. So nerfing cloak? Ruins my fishing experience. Don't get in my way for my NB fishing achievement.
From my experience - 8 of 10 players in BG are Nightblades. I don't want to play PVP for fishing, I want action and I'm tired of cloaking cowards running away in the diffrent directions when they see me just to regroup when I'm busy with fighting someone esle. I don't want my kills to be stolen by cowards from my team cloaking and waiting for me to do the job so they can finish off my targets. Stamblade shouldn't have such a great access to this cheezy tactic and it should be limited for Magblades as well. Nightblades can get something in exchange increasing their survivalibity or healing.
What kind of BG s are you playing, all i see in there are dks, wardens and sorcs.1 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FleetwoodSmack wrote: »Now:
People don't use counters against cloak.
Suggestion:
Start using counters against cloak.
"bUt ThEy DoN't WoRk!1!!1!"
Fun fact, they do work. They work really well if you know what you're doing. I've been sniffing out cloakers at Nik almost on the daily when my alliance has it. Is it annoying if they get away? Sure. But it's like fishing. They'll hit that bait at least three times before trying to make a gank. If they were smart, they'd realize it by now. But they haven't and I'm bettin' that they won't. So nerfing cloak? Ruins my fishing experience. Don't get in my way for my NB fishing achievement.
It's easy to catch newbie-wanna-be-assassin or i'm-here-only-for-AP, but catching skilled NB is a pain and doing it alone is almost impossible, because he will always move away either from you if you are keeping close to his shade or from his shade if you are on his tail and then teleport back to it leaving you with nothing. Period of cloak forbidding skills is too short. And of course the very moment you let you guard down thinking that NB run away, that NB will perform 25k in 2 seconds burst in your back just fine.3 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LOL. The hate towards NB is out of the roof...
Even greater than hate twards Argonians during racial rebalance.
It is just sad that ppl don't think ahead "what if" but rather almost like a zombie, shouting: NERF ! NERF ! NERF !
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Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭rafaelcsmaia wrote: »Just because streak got this stupid treatment doesn't mean every single escape should as well. After that whats next? Increase cost on shield spam? Gap closer? Stop asking for nerfs ffs
To be honest I would actually like that idea, especially for the brainless gapcloser spam considering its very popular amongst zerglings. I realize %50 cost increase is a stupid bandaid fix, however without that treatment you would NEVER kill a sorcerer, ever.Edited by Ragnarock41 on April 17, 2019 8:04AM0 -
Knootewoot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭FleetwoodSmack wrote: »Now:
People don't use counters against cloak.
Suggestion:
Start using counters against cloak.
"bUt ThEy DoN't WoRk!1!!1!"
Fun fact, they do work. They work really well if you know what you're doing. I've been sniffing out cloakers at Nik almost on the daily when my alliance has it. Is it annoying if they get away? Sure. But it's like fishing. They'll hit that bait at least three times before trying to make a gank. If they were smart, they'd realize it by now. But they haven't and I'm bettin' that they won't. So nerfing cloak? Ruins my fishing experience. Don't get in my way for my NB fishing achievement.
From my experience - 8 of 10 players in BG are Nightblades. I don't want to play PVP for fishing, I want action and I'm tired of cloaking cowards running away in the diffrent directions when they see me just to regroup when I'm busy with fighting someone esle. I don't want my kills to be stolen by cowards from my team cloaking and waiting for me to do the job so they can finish off my targets. Stamblade shouldn't have such a great access to this cheezy tactic and it should be limited for Magblades as well. Nightblades can get something in exchange increasing their survivalibity or healing.
I'm sick and tired of sorcs hiding behind pets and shields
I'm sick and tired of Templars hiding behind big heals
I'm sick and tired of leaping Dk's with wings no matter what form
I'm sick and tired of wardens bug skills
I'm already sick and tired if necro doing 100k dps٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."4 -
Commancho✭✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »FleetwoodSmack wrote: »Now:
People don't use counters against cloak.
Suggestion:
Start using counters against cloak.
"bUt ThEy DoN't WoRk!1!!1!"
Fun fact, they do work. They work really well if you know what you're doing. I've been sniffing out cloakers at Nik almost on the daily when my alliance has it. Is it annoying if they get away? Sure. But it's like fishing. They'll hit that bait at least three times before trying to make a gank. If they were smart, they'd realize it by now. But they haven't and I'm bettin' that they won't. So nerfing cloak? Ruins my fishing experience. Don't get in my way for my NB fishing achievement.
From my experience - 8 of 10 players in BG are Nightblades. I don't want to play PVP for fishing, I want action and I'm tired of cloaking cowards running away in the diffrent directions when they see me just to regroup when I'm busy with fighting someone esle. I don't want my kills to be stolen by cowards from my team cloaking and waiting for me to do the job so they can finish off my targets. Stamblade shouldn't have such a great access to this cheezy tactic and it should be limited for Magblades as well. Nightblades can get something in exchange increasing their survivalibity or healing.
I'm sick and tired of sorcs hiding behind pets and shields
I'm sick and tired of Templars hiding behind big heals
I'm sick and tired of leaping Dk's with wings no matter what form
I'm sick and tired of wardens bug skills
I'm already sick and tired if necro doing 100k dps
Go ahead, make your own threads about these issues and stop spamming here. You are counter productive.1 -
FleetwoodSmack✭✭✭✭✭
✭Knootewoot wrote: »FleetwoodSmack wrote: »Now:
People don't use counters against cloak.
Suggestion:
Start using counters against cloak.
"bUt ThEy DoN't WoRk!1!!1!"
Fun fact, they do work. They work really well if you know what you're doing. I've been sniffing out cloakers at Nik almost on the daily when my alliance has it. Is it annoying if they get away? Sure. But it's like fishing. They'll hit that bait at least three times before trying to make a gank. If they were smart, they'd realize it by now. But they haven't and I'm bettin' that they won't. So nerfing cloak? Ruins my fishing experience. Don't get in my way for my NB fishing achievement.
From my experience - 8 of 10 players in BG are Nightblades. I don't want to play PVP for fishing, I want action and I'm tired of cloaking cowards running away in the diffrent directions when they see me just to regroup when I'm busy with fighting someone esle. I don't want my kills to be stolen by cowards from my team cloaking and waiting for me to do the job so they can finish off my targets. Stamblade shouldn't have such a great access to this cheezy tactic and it should be limited for Magblades as well. Nightblades can get something in exchange increasing their survivalibity or healing.
I'm sick and tired of sorcs hiding behind pets and shields
I'm sick and tired of Templars hiding behind big heals
I'm sick and tired of leaping Dk's with wings no matter what form
I'm sick and tired of wardens bug skills
I'm already sick and tired if necro doing 100k dps
Go ahead, make your own threads about these issues and stop spamming here. You are counter productive.
Because it counters your 'arguments' it's 'spamming'. This entire thread from it's creation has been counterproductive because you refuse to find friends (I can see why) or slot counters against it.MartiniDaniels wrote: »FleetwoodSmack wrote: »Now:
People don't use counters against cloak.
Suggestion:
Start using counters against cloak.
"bUt ThEy DoN't WoRk!1!!1!"
Fun fact, they do work. They work really well if you know what you're doing. I've been sniffing out cloakers at Nik almost on the daily when my alliance has it. Is it annoying if they get away? Sure. But it's like fishing. They'll hit that bait at least three times before trying to make a gank. If they were smart, they'd realize it by now. But they haven't and I'm bettin' that they won't. So nerfing cloak? Ruins my fishing experience. Don't get in my way for my NB fishing achievement.
It's easy to catch newbie-wanna-be-assassin or i'm-here-only-for-AP, but catching skilled NB is a pain and doing it alone is almost impossible, because he will always move away either from you if you are keeping close to his shade or from his shade if you are on his tail and then teleport back to it leaving you with nothing. Period of cloak forbidding skills is too short. And of course the very moment you let you guard down thinking that NB run away, that NB will perform 25k in 2 seconds burst in your back just fine.
I disagree. With some of the recent changes, it's even easier to find them now. I've done it alone, I've done it with friends, I've probably even done it with your friends. Each time I've let my 'guard' down, I've a counter against that too. I don't even have to double bar it. If you're going to be lazy, you're going to get ganked. It's pretty simple. It's a stealth class. Literally, if you're getting ganked by nightblades and ONLY nightblades (as in they're the only thing on your death recap), you have bigger issues than cloak.Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!2 -
Shardaxx✭✭✭✭✭Jeez hating on nb much.PS4 - Europe - Shardaxx - Wood Elf Nightblade - Aldmeri Dominion0