Perfected Gear shouldnt be locked behind hard modes

idk · April 2019

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Blackleopardex wrote: »

The funny part is, when you can't handle the content to get perfected gear, you will never notice the difference between perfected and non-perfected. Many are so obsessed with getting perfected gear. Why? Because greed? Because spoiled? I don't know. The fact of the matter is, it's made as a reward for us that beat the hardest content. Before you worry about getting perfected gear, maybe worry about doing a perfected rotation, makes a much bigger difference, and you would probably get the gear then xD

Get a perfect rotation, get a perfect guild, also torture yourself and waste tons of hours of your life dying to the same thing over and over, and if you get it right someone else screws up. I remeber how painful it was just beating standard vMoL, why would I ever want to do HMs for vTrials. Its only meant for those who want to torture themselves

If you are not interested in tackling the challenges then you do not need the gear. The progression of gear across the progression of difficulty makes sense.

BTW, if you have your damage down well and can play well you are able to get into better raid guilds and clear the content faster. Yes, they put in the time but it is called focus and dedication towards a goal. It is ok if players do not have that focus and dedication as there are other areas in the game to play with, but the best gear will not be given freely to players just because they feel entitled.

If you have a real issue with this I suggest you stop playing MMORPGs because most I have played locked the best gear behind the toughest content. Kind of seems logical.

templesus · April 2019

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

wishlist14 wrote: »

A lot of players want better gear even though they can't do vet trials for well , reasons. I guess imperfect gear sounds insulting to be fair. Here you go scum have the imperfect dregs ....perfected is for the leet. Hierachy ***. It's always about the freaking 1% when it comes to anything harder than a vet dungeon or normal trial.

Im angry and yes i know I'll get backlash by the endgamers that police these forums or those players that need to protect the status quo....do you really think for a second it's going to hurt the hard moders if the rest of us get better gear ..

Hard content should not be hidden behind a gear wall ....if players need challenges then they can do it naked but we want better gear so we can experience more content.

Many of us will never be leet due to ; our servers, slower reflexes due to sports injuries, accidents, or age. Some cannot allocate the required time it takes to practice to get to that level and the most likely reason is lack of natural talent even when players try their best. In some cases its all of the above.

I get these data analysis addon they are implementing is supposed to help,players improve but not everyone is into data analysing. Some ppl just want to play as best they can and improve naturally as they progress where the games pushes them at their pace. Is this so difficult for ppl to understand?

Actually it is, why do you need perfected gear to go at your own pace? And if you truly can’t perform at end-game level because of some form of disability, why are you trying to at all? If there is seriously something inhibiting you from pulling good DPS I am sorry but there is nothing an extra 1k magicka will do for you to get you to the top. You have to look more towards tools etc that will allocate for someone with a disability to perform better under their conditions.

This was not meant to be disrespectful in any way shape or form, I just genuinely don’t understand why someone who wants to play at their own pace (which pardon me for assuming, but generally means they have low~average level dps) needs an extra 1k magicka. It makes 0 logical sense.

What I read from you post, is that the top sprinters in the world should not be given better spikes then everyone else, because everyone else may not have the time to invest in practice to get to that top sprinters level, nor the natural talent to do so. Even though they try their best.

That is not how the world functions.

Effort is rewarded. Skill is rewarded. Performance is rewarded. As they should be.

Problem is its not people with low average dps, its actually pretty good players with really high dps and a ton of exp and still cant beat HM

That extra 1k won’t miraculously take you from not completing HM to completing it.

Sanguinor2 · April 2019

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Problem is its not people with low average dps, its actually pretty good players with really high dps and a ton of exp and still cant beat HM

So because People dont take the time to Progress and learn the Trial like all the Groups did that cleared the hardmodes and can do so regulary or others are simply unable to clear it for whatever reason, perfected gear shouldnt drop in hardmodes anymore? Getting the perfected gear wont magically make you clear more Content, you still Need skill, awareness, Knowledge of mechanics and a good Group that has the same.
A Group having pretty good Players, really high dps and a ton of experience that cannot clear the hardmode is doing something wrong or got screwed by something like a disconnect, someone having to leave because of RL, an emergency Happening or whatever. And that is fine, thats what you do Progression for, took me and my Group quite a while to get our first vCR+3 clear, but we didnt do it with perfected gear and we didnt cry About us not having perfected gear being unfair either.

Emma_Overload · April 2019

Nevermind, these threads are always ridiculous.

tmbrinks · April 2019

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Ugg. These threads are in every MMO. People who don’t want to raid want raid gear for some strange reason, even though it’s not required for any content outside raiding, and even then since you get it from raiding vet you don’t need it even there.

People want rewards without doing any work, rewards they don’t need, it’s ridiculous.

They don't want "rewards", they just want specific GEAR. I won't ever play on the PGA tour, but that doesn't mean that I shouldn't be able to buy the same putter that Tiger Woods uses.

Jhalin wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

I agree with OP. Perfected wep specially are extremely strong in pvp, I find it annoying and unfair that pvers only will have access to these strong weapons.

So, the well-rounded players, who do both PVP AND PVE have access to weapons that are stronger than those who only do one type of content.

Seems fair. They do more, they get more.

It would be fair to lock BIS PvE gear behind massive PvP grind imo.

May I introduce you to Spell Strategist

May I introduce you to guild stores?

Fun fact you can buy gear runs from players if you really don’t wanna work on a progression group to get perfected gear

You've just reminded everyone why they should just put this gear in the Crown Store and be done with it. You can already buy gold with real money in various ways, including by the ZOS approved method of trading crowns for items that are sellable in game.

You want the gear. Earn it. Plain and simple. Outside of perhaps a perfected asylum's inferno staff, not one piece of gear is locked behind content that cannot be completed by a competent player in overland, dungeon or crafted gear.

Edit: my response disagrees, so you delete and claim that it's all "ridiculous".... that's how my 5 year old nephew debates

Sanguinor2 · April 2019

Emma_Overload wrote: »

They don't want "rewards", they just want specific GEAR. I won't ever play on the PGA tour, but that doesn't mean that I shouldn't be able to buy the same putter that Tiger Woods uses.

Said gear that they want is a reward for Clearing the content it Drops in so they do in fact want rewards. Just like vma weapons are rewards for Clearing vma and not some random gear set you can buy from a blacksmith. You can perfectly clear everything in overland and dungeon sets, you just Need to be good enough to do so and you Need a Group that is good enough to do so.

tmbrinks wrote: »

You want the gear. Earn it. Plain and simple. Outside of perhaps a perfected asylum's inferno staff, not one piece of gear is locked behind content that cannot be completed by a competent player in overland, dungeon or crafted gear.

Actually a really popular Setup for vAS+2 requires you to have sorrow/bsw/2 spell crit Monster pieces so no perfected gear is necessary.

Runkorko · April 2019

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Veteran Trials are already insanely hard on no hard mode and very few percentage of the players ever manage to beat them, even fewer on hard mode. Hard mode isn't supposed to be content that is done by the average or even good player, it is there for the elite 1% of the community.

This new trend of locking perfected gear behind hard mode, also every set having multiple peaces meaning you have to do it a lot to get all what you need, is just stupid and discouraging. 99% of the player base will never have BiS gear and can never hope to get it.

Leave progression gear out of hard mode and keep it for cosmetics and leaderboards and those who just want a challenge. Don't lock the best game gear behind it.

P.S. I know already there will be comments of oh, why don't they just hand you the gear when you just walk in the trial or dumb generic stuff like that, we can just completely ignore them since this is just a standard bot response regardless of the situation or context.

You are aware that EsO have no BiS gear right ? How BiS is gear depend of the player playstile. And even from the grp he go with. You are also aware that good players can beat any vet trial with crafted gear right ? Whats your point ? To let only 1% of the comunity do vet trials ? Why for ? Skills>gear. We have nuf shity WoW stile games, where you do 600 wipes/ literaly/ before you menage to kill 1 of 12 bosses on mythic. You want the same here? Here are more than one solo arena.Here are both small and big grp pvp. Want to prove you are the best. Top the scores/ you already did ? Share pls. No? Then be silent and enjoy the content. And one advice. Dont repear smth if is not broken. Good luck!

tmbrinks · April 2019

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

They don't want "rewards", they just want specific GEAR. I won't ever play on the PGA tour, but that doesn't mean that I shouldn't be able to buy the same putter that Tiger Woods uses.

Said gear that they want is a reward for Clearing the content it Drops in so they do in fact want rewards. Just like vma weapons are rewards for Clearing vma and not some random gear set you can buy from a blacksmith. You can perfectly clear everything in overland and dungeon sets, you just Need to be good enough to do so and you Need a Group that is good enough to do so.

tmbrinks wrote: »

You want the gear. Earn it. Plain and simple. Outside of perhaps a perfected asylum's inferno staff, not one piece of gear is locked behind content that cannot be completed by a competent player in overland, dungeon or crafted gear.

Actually a really popular Setup for vAS+2 requires you to have sorrow/bsw/2 spell crit Monster pieces so no perfected gear is necessary.

Healer in Olorime is almost a must though... that's why I said perhaps, although it's certainly clearable with nothing but overland/dungeon/crafted sets. (IA helps a lot with DPS, Alkosh helps a lot, Olorime helps a lot though, though perfected Olorime isn't needed as long as the healer can deal with it)

Emma_Overload · April 2019

Klingenlied wrote: »

Hmm. I actually think we have not enough of this perfected stuff. Should be in dungeon and pvp rewards as well. Pvp, let it do extra damage in pvp, dungeon stuff, well extra damage in overworld and dungeons, trial stuff with extra damage in dungeons and trials is already fine.
Only thing that actually kinda sucks is the time required for some stuff due to randomness. Would love an accompanying token system to ease out a lack of luck.

That would be great, but not so great for some if the very elitists who are trolling this thread. Imagine if there was some grossly overpowered

tmbrinks wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Ugg. These threads are in every MMO. People who don’t want to raid want raid gear for some strange reason, even though it’s not required for any content outside raiding, and even then since you get it from raiding vet you don’t need it even there.

People want rewards without doing any work, rewards they don’t need, it’s ridiculous.

They don't want "rewards", they just want specific GEAR. I won't ever play on the PGA tour, but that doesn't mean that I shouldn't be able to buy the same putter that Tiger Woods uses.

Jhalin wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

I agree with OP. Perfected wep specially are extremely strong in pvp, I find it annoying and unfair that pvers only will have access to these strong weapons.

So, the well-rounded players, who do both PVP AND PVE have access to weapons that are stronger than those who only do one type of content.

Seems fair. They do more, they get more.

It would be fair to lock BIS PvE gear behind massive PvP grind imo.

May I introduce you to Spell Strategist

May I introduce you to guild stores?

Fun fact you can buy gear runs from players if you really don’t wanna work on a progression group to get perfected gear

You've just reminded everyone why they should just put this gear in the Crown Store and be done with it. You can already buy gold with real money in various ways, including by the ZOS approved method of trading crowns for items that are sellable in game.

You want the gear. Earn it. Plain and simple. Outside of perhaps a perfected asylum's inferno staff, not one piece of gear is locked behind content that cannot be completed by a competent player in overland, dungeon or crafted gear.

Edit: my response disagrees, so you delete and claim that it's all "ridiculous".... that's how my 5 year old nephew debates

No, I deleted before seeing any responses. Too late I guess. But I have no intention getting sucked into a pointless debate that never results in any positive outcome... so BYE.

Sanguinor2 · April 2019

tmbrinks wrote: »

Healer in Olorime is almost a must though... that's why I said perhaps, although it's certainly clearable with nothing but overland/dungeon/crafted sets. (IA helps a lot with DPS, Alkosh helps a lot, Olorime helps a lot though, though perfected Olorime isn't needed as long as the healer can deal with it)

Yep but you dont Need Olo in perfected for the Group buff, alkosh Drops in normal, olorime Drops in normal, infal Drops in normal and People that want to clear vet Trials are hopefully able to clear normal ones.

tmbrinks · April 2019

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Healer in Olorime is almost a must though... that's why I said perhaps, although it's certainly clearable with nothing but overland/dungeon/crafted sets. (IA helps a lot with DPS, Alkosh helps a lot, Olorime helps a lot though, though perfected Olorime isn't needed as long as the healer can deal with it)

Yep but you dont Need Olo in perfected for the Group buff, alkosh Drops in normal, olorime Drops in normal, infal Drops in normal and People that want to clear vet Trials are hopefully able to clear normal ones.

Yeah, I completely agree. Which is why this whole argument about Perfected gear is baffling to me.

"I don't want to do this content, but I want this gear, which really only matters if I'm pushing that end-game content for high scores and leaderboards." "Thus, they should just give it to me" I just don't get it... lol

Sanguinor2 · April 2019

tmbrinks wrote: »

Yeah, I completely agree. Which is why this whole argument about Perfected gear is baffling to me.

"I don't want to do this content, but I want this gear, which really only matters if I'm pushing that end-game content for high scores and leaderboards." "Thus, they should just give it to me" I just don't get it... lol

Same, I dont go to cyro either and demand I get dropped the 5 Gold jewelry because I dont want to spend enough time grinding the leaderboard.

Emma_Overload wrote: »

That would be great, but not so great for some if the very elitists who are trolling this thread. Imagine if there was some grossly overpowered

Yes because it is so "Elitist" to not want the hardmode gear to drop outside of hardmode, why should we run the hardmode again? To get Nothing except for what Drops in normal or whatever mode People deem to be acceptable? Is it also Elitist to say that vma weapons shouldnt drop from the first boss chest in normal? Same for master weapons? Should we also drop the cyro leaderboard rewards for capping a resource every 30 days because People dont want to put in the effort?
For stuff like cloudrest Drops you get the same gear minus 1k max resource from normal you dont Need that 1k max resource if you have no intentions of absolutely min maxing your Damage. You dont even Need hardmode for the perfected gear, you can farm it in vCR+1 or+2 if you want jewelry. Even better shown in asylum, outside of the destro staff there is next to no difference between perfected and non perfected gear.

tmbrinks · April 2019

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Klingenlied wrote: »

Hmm. I actually think we have not enough of this perfected stuff. Should be in dungeon and pvp rewards as well. Pvp, let it do extra damage in pvp, dungeon stuff, well extra damage in overworld and dungeons, trial stuff with extra damage in dungeons and trials is already fine.
Only thing that actually kinda sucks is the time required for some stuff due to randomness. Would love an accompanying token system to ease out a lack of luck.

That would be great, but not so great for some if the very elitists who are trolling this thread. Imagine if there was some grossly overpowered

I'm probably one of those "trolling elitists" that you're talking about. I would have loved a token system when I was farming vMA over 200 times to get a sharpened lightning staff (when that was best). But you know what... I did it.. I did it because I wanted that gear. I wanted to be at my absolute best when I was in trials and raids. Did I need it. No, the precise one that dropped in my first dozen runs would have been more than adequate for any purposes I would have used for it.

And now.. you have transmutation.... so I get that defending inferno (since that's now best) on my 10th run, go putz around in PVP for 30 minutes, get to tier 1 and transmute it to precise and I now have BiS gear.

They have already made it SO MUCH EASIER... why, why in god's name do we have to make it even easier????? Don't you get a sense of accomplishment from doing something difficult and challenging. Life would be pretty damn boring if you just got everything handed to you... in my opinion at least.

Emma_Overload · April 2019

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Yeah, I completely agree. Which is why this whole argument about Perfected gear is baffling to me.

"I don't want to do this content, but I want this gear, which really only matters if I'm pushing that end-game content for high scores and leaderboards." "Thus, they should just give it to me" I just don't get it... lol

Same, I dont go to cyro either and demand I get dropped the 5 Gold jewelry because I dont want to spend enough time grinding the leaderboard.

Emma_Overload wrote: »

That would be great, but not so great for some if the very elitists who are trolling this thread. Imagine if there was some grossly overpowered

Yes because it is so "Elitist" to not want the hardmode gear to drop outside of hardmode, why should we run the hardmode again? To get Nothing except for what Drops in normal or whatever mode People deem to be acceptable? Is it also Elitist to say that vma weapons shouldnt drop from the first boss chest in normal? Same for master weapons? Should we also drop the cyro leaderboard rewards for capping a resource every 30 days because People dont want to put in the effort?
For stuff like cloudrest Drops you get the same gear minus 1k max resource from normal you dont Need that 1k max resource if you have no intentions of absolutely min maxing your Damage. You dont even Need hardmode for the perfected gear, you can farm it in vCR+1 or+2 if you want jewelry. Even better shown in asylum, outside of the destro staff there is next to no difference between perfected and non perfected gear.

I never even finished my comment before I deleted. The forum keeps double posting quotes from earlier comments for some reason, including deleted comments.

But since you took the time to spew a whole paragraph of drivel, I might as well respond:

Read your own hot-headed comment, LOL. Why are you so bothered? Imagine if you had to win Emperor to get trial gear, would you be saying the same crap? BUZZ OFF. I don't care.

Sanguinor2 · April 2019

Emma_Overload wrote: »

I never even finished my comment before I deleted. The forum keeps double posting quotes from earlier comments for some reason, including deleted comments.

But since you took the time to spew a whole paragraph of drivel, I might as well respond:

Read your own hot-headed comment, LOL. Why are you so bothered? Imagine if you had to win Emperor to get trial gear, would you be saying the same crap? BUZZ OFF. I don't care.

Bothered? Trust me I´m not, I mostly am amused that People care so much About getting gear that is locked behind hard Content but have no Intention of either Clearing said Content or even min maxing dps where it becomes a requirement to get the 1k resource Advantage perfected gear offers.

I got my 3 times Emperor so if I had to do it again for Trial gear I wouldnt care but we´d likely go back to buff and emp trade campaigns so think carefully of what you want. Not to Mention that your example is a quite strange one, as far as I know getting perfected gear doesnt require you to outscore hodor either, you simply have to clear the Content. If you dont want to or cannot for reasons as simple as not having a Group or whatever that reason may be then it simply is that way unless you do something to Change the circumstances (or you decide to make the Evil elitists [by the way not every good endgame pveer is an Elitist] happy and spend milions on carry runs but that is your decision).

And it is quite funny that you talk About my comment being hot headed with the way you respond to People. I simply tried to Show why gear is locked behind walls, believe it or not People actually Need a reason to run Content, if I were to get the perfected gear or other locked gear from the normal Version of the respective Content they drop in you can be sure that I would not clear the vet Version more than very few times to either get titles/collectibles or help out Friends or if we as Group decide we want to push a high score. What People like you propose will simply kill most Content, vBRP being a prime example.

Juhasow · April 2019

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

wishlist14 wrote: »

A lot of players want better gear even though they can't do vet trials for well , reasons. I guess imperfect gear sounds insulting to be fair. Here you go scum have the imperfect dregs ....perfected is for the leet. Hierachy ***. It's always about the freaking 1% when it comes to anything harder than a vet dungeon or normal trial.

Im angry and yes i know I'll get backlash by the endgamers that police these forums or those players that need to protect the status quo....do you really think for a second it's going to hurt the hard moders if the rest of us get better gear ..

Hard content should not be hidden behind a gear wall ....if players need challenges then they can do it naked but we want better gear so we can experience more content.

Many of us will never be leet due to ; our servers, slower reflexes due to sports injuries, accidents, or age. Some cannot allocate the required time it takes to practice to get to that level and the most likely reason is lack of natural talent even when players try their best. In some cases its all of the above.

I get these data analysis addon they are implementing is supposed to help,players improve but not everyone is into data analysing. Some ppl just want to play as best they can and improve naturally as they progress where the games pushes them at their pace. Is this so difficult for ppl to understand?

Actually it is, why do you need perfected gear to go at your own pace? And if you truly can’t perform at end-game level because of some form of disability, why are you trying to at all? If there is seriously something inhibiting you from pulling good DPS I am sorry but there is nothing an extra 1k magicka will do for you to get you to the top. You have to look more towards tools etc that will allocate for someone with a disability to perform better under their conditions.

This was not meant to be disrespectful in any way shape or form, I just genuinely don’t understand why someone who wants to play at their own pace (which pardon me for assuming, but generally means they have low~average level dps) needs an extra 1k magicka. It makes 0 logical sense.

What I read from you post, is that the top sprinters in the world should not be given better spikes then everyone else, because everyone else may not have the time to invest in practice to get to that top sprinters level, nor the natural talent to do so. Even though they try their best.

That is not how the world functions.

Effort is rewarded. Skill is rewarded. Performance is rewarded. As they should be.

Problem is its not people with low average dps, its actually pretty good players with really high dps and a ton of exp and still cant beat HM

Well still it's not problem with the game. If You are "pretty good player with really high DPS and a ton of exp" and You still cant beat HM then it's still some issue on Your side because game requires less then that to beat hard modes. You are either lying to Yourself that You are that good player or You're simply too lazy to progress through content. 1 more stat bonus piece wont somehow allow You to suddenly beat hard modes. If You're not able to beat hard modes without perfected gear You wont be able to do it with that gear.

Billdor · April 2019

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Veteran Trials are already insanely hard on no hard mode and very few percentage of the players ever manage to beat them, even fewer on hard mode. Hard mode isn't supposed to be content that is done by the average or even good player, it is there for the elite 1% of the community.

This new trend of locking perfected gear behind hard mode, also every set having multiple peaces meaning you have to do it a lot to get all what you need, is just stupid and discouraging. 99% of the player base will never have BiS gear and can never hope to get it.

Leave progression gear out of hard mode and keep it for cosmetics and leaderboards and those who just want a challenge. Don't lock the best game gear behind it.

P.S. I know already there will be comments of oh, why don't they just hand you the gear when you just walk in the trial or dumb generic stuff like that, we can just completely ignore them since this is just a standard bot response regardless of the situation or context.

Bruh if you can't do the hardest content, you're not going to get the best stuff. Stop being a little crybaby.

Strider__Roshin · April 2019

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

It most certainly should be restricted to HM. Skill should be rewarded. This game is catered to bad players too much as it is.

Thats the problem with elitists, they ruin the game, beating vMoL or vHoF or any othe vDLC still makes you a bad player, even thouugh its still very hard to a very good group with skill and good setups and it takes so much time to just beat non hm.

Elitists are just killing this game

And what's an elitist to you? I got Flawless Conquerer with around 450 CP wearing all impenetrable Hundings rage while using a 2H with the defending trait. You don't need BiS gear to do difficult content in this game, and doing challenging content that takes you hours to complete initially is rewarding. If everything is just handed to you what's the point in trying?

Megatto · April 2019

All I could read in this post was someone whining and crying about not getting their way

JamuThatsWho · April 2019

Yes, it should.

Blacksmoke · April 2019

What have you been smoking?