Perfected Gear shouldnt be locked behind hard modes

CultOfMMO

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Veteran Trials are already insanely hard on no hard mode and very few percentage of the players ever manage to beat them, even fewer on hard mode. Hard mode isn't supposed to be content that is done by the average or even good player, it is there for the elite 1% of the community.

This new trend of locking perfected gear behind hard mode, also every set having multiple peaces meaning you have to do it a lot to get all what you need, is just stupid and discouraging. 99% of the player base will never have BiS gear and can never hope to get it.

Leave progression gear out of hard mode and keep it for cosmetics and leaderboards and those who just want a challenge. Don't lock the best game gear behind it.

P.S. I know already there will be comments of oh, why don't they just hand you the gear when you just walk in the trial or dumb generic stuff like that, we can just completely ignore them since this is just a standard bot response regardless of the situation or context.

99% of player base believes weaving is an exploit, do they really need/deserve perfected gear?

Juhasow

Reverb wrote: »

If you can’t complete the hardest content you don’t need the best gear. Average gear is plenty good for average difficulty content.

To be fair average gear is more then enough to complete any content. BiS , fully optimised setups just allows to do it faster but even the simpliest and easily accesible (yet still reasonable) setups allow to clear everything that game have to offer.

tmbrinks

Fluke.Slywalker wrote: »

Another thread, with players wanting things quicker and easier, with little effort.

They want 10,000 boxes per writ quest, they want a motif in every one, they want to get event tickets without even eating the cake, they want 99 race change tokens, they want more stuff for FREE in the daily rewards, they want...... I could go on.

Now they want the End Game gear, before doing the End Game content. It won't end here I'm sure..

The forums have become one constant string of NERF threads in one way or the other. It's becoming really, really frustrating to say the least.

Are there potentially things that need to be simplified... yes. They sure as hell did that with Transmutation with Clockwork City, that was an ENORMOUS change to the "grind" of this game... yet it seems people always want more.

Imperial_Voice

The best gear should absolutely be behind the hardest content.

Edit: You can tell OP knows hes wrong because he ends his main post by saying anyone who disagrees with him is a bot and should be ignored.

Girl_Number8

olsborg wrote: »

I agree with OP. Perfected wep specially are extremely strong in pvp, I find it annoying and unfair that pvers only will have access to these strong weapons.

Want the better weapons you can earn them if they're important enough. I am glad Zos did this but tbh with brp, I don't find the normal ones to be worthless. For me though I like hm and I put in the time after years of playing to get bis. Since they added imperfect it is more then fair, you get what you put the time into and it rewards experience.

Though in PvP you don't need these to 1 v X Cx or beat other good players.

I only use my perfected weapons here and there, depends on the situation and what I am playing. Though the imperfect are good enough till you can get the perfected....

Universe

@ZOS_BrianWheeler Make all of this gear Bind on Equip
Problem solved!

Hotdog_23

Not really a fan of perfect and non perfect gear. You don't need it to clear content so why have it? Titles and sense of personal achievement of should be the reward. Not gear that that makes you better for already being really good anyway.

It's human nature to want the best for yourself. The problem is ZOS has added something that only the upper maybe 10% can get which does actually make you even better than the other 90%. I don't believe the upper 10% need anything that makes them even better when it is not really needed.

I know it only adds 1-3k more DPS but it just seems to separate the upper from the lower end player even more when it is not really needed.

hedna123b14_ESO

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Veteran Trials are already insanely hard on no hard mode and very few percentage of the players ever manage to beat them, even fewer on hard mode. Hard mode isn't supposed to be content that is done by the average or even good player, it is there for the elite 1% of the community.

This new trend of locking perfected gear behind hard mode, also every set having multiple peaces meaning you have to do it a lot to get all what you need, is just stupid and discouraging. 99% of the player base will never have BiS gear and can never hope to get it.

Leave progression gear out of hard mode and keep it for cosmetics and leaderboards and those who just want a challenge. Don't lock the best game gear behind it.

P.S. I know already there will be comments of oh, why don't they just hand you the gear when you just walk in the trial or dumb generic stuff like that, we can just completely ignore them since this is just a standard bot response regardless of the situation or context.

The difference betwene perfected and non perfected gear is miniscule. This was done SPECIFICALLY to make sure that while the non perfect gear is below perfect, it is below by a very small margin. This is extremely fair...why would you get paid the same as me if I put in more work?

Fluke.Slywalker

tmbrinks wrote: »

Fluke.Slywalker wrote: »

Another thread, with players wanting things quicker and easier, with little effort.

They want 10,000 boxes per writ quest, they want a motif in every one, they want to get event tickets without even eating the cake, they want 99 race change tokens, they want more stuff for FREE in the daily rewards, they want...... I could go on.

Now they want the End Game gear, before doing the End Game content. It won't end here I'm sure..

The forums have become one constant string of NERF threads in one way or the other. It's becoming really, really frustrating to say the least.

Are there potentially things that need to be simplified... yes. They sure as hell did that with Transmutation with Clockwork City, that was an ENORMOUS change to the "grind" of this game... yet it seems people always want more.

Agreed. I don't wanna take the thread too far off topic, but they keep making things a little easier, they are insulting those who have worked hard, for years collecting what we have collected and achieving what we have achieved.

hedna123b14_ESO

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Perfected gear isn't "progression" gear. You really only need it if you are doing that content.

Outside of the Asylum's Perfected Destruction Staff, the difference between "perfected" and "non-perfected" is minuscule.

The difference is not that small, an entire group buff set from the new trials gives the whole party 129 weapon damage which is equivalent to 1 perfected set piece and people will be all over that set and it will become BiS. You can do without it ofc, but you can do without so many things.

Also you need perfected gear to do hard modes but you need hard modes to get perfected gear.

Its like you need 5 years of experience to get a job and you need a job to get 5 years of experience

What 5 years? You cna get all of the gear from normals and the difference will be not important unless you are an endgame raider, which you are clearly not, so why the entitlement?

Heelie

I actually think the non perfected is too strong compared to the perfected version especially since you don't need to do HM for it, I would like to see non perfect Relequens damage reduced by up to 50%

Itzmichi

Let's be honest OP, perfected gear won't make your crappy rotation miraculously flawless, nor does it improve your awareness or movement.

That being said, there are plenty hardmodes you can easily do without any perfected gear as the benefit is marginal.

Ermiq

Yeah, just sell all gear in Crown Store. FFS, people want to get everything and don't want to earn it.

Mitrenga

There's a perfectly fine reasoning behind the Perfected loot. They are not meant to be obtainable by every single player. As a (mostly) casual player, I'm perfectly fine with it. End game players who are putting a lot of gold (pots, mats, expensive food) and time into improving their game should be rewarded differently from those who are doing the normal mode trials/dungeons. Hard working individuals are earning better rewards.

Odovacar

If you really seek perfected gear it can happen. It will just require more effort. GL everyone!

mocap

you need BiS only to fap on dps numbers. Nothing else.

I do 43k with fully guild store gear (outside of vma and monster set) with pet sorc 4 skills + heavy rotation (easy&dumb as idunno what). With perfect group bonuses i do 50k.

Wifeaggro13

CultOfMMO wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Veteran Trials are already insanely hard on no hard mode and very few percentage of the players ever manage to beat them, even fewer on hard mode. Hard mode isn't supposed to be content that is done by the average or even good player, it is there for the elite 1% of the community.

This new trend of locking perfected gear behind hard mode, also every set having multiple peaces meaning you have to do it a lot to get all what you need, is just stupid and discouraging. 99% of the player base will never have BiS gear and can never hope to get it.

Leave progression gear out of hard mode and keep it for cosmetics and leaderboards and those who just want a challenge. Don't lock the best game gear behind it.

P.S. I know already there will be comments of oh, why don't they just hand you the gear when you just walk in the trial or dumb generic stuff like that, we can just completely ignore them since this is just a standard bot response regardless of the situation or context.

99% of player base believes weaving is an exploit, do they really need/deserve perfected gear?

Weaving is a feature animation canceling is a different story.

Tsar_Gekkou

This is like all the people wanting vMA weapons without being able to beat vMA. If you can't get the perfected gear, then you aren't doing they type of content (top leaderboard scores) that you'd want it for. I've done every hardmode except Malatar, Maw, and Cloudrest, and my non-perfected gear has never come close to falling short, so I don't see the issue. Some things have to be worked for instead of just given away like a participation trophy.

Anhedonie

1k magicka doesn't amount to much. Also, you can outdo most people in perfected gear if you know what you're doing. I run really bad setup on the worst class combo in the game and still manage to parse at top in almost all cases.

Raudgrani

Yes. it should be.

I'm a bit annoyed (to refrain from using the word disgusted) with all these "young people" asking for freebies, making things easier, making things "equal" (i.e. giving stuff to people who didn't work for it, because they suck or are lazy). If you are better than others (yes, you can be better than other people - no matter what you were told growing up!), you should be rewarded accordingly.

I actually want to see more or this, and a bigger difference between perfected and non-perfected gear too.

pod88kk

Sure why don't they just make you max level as soon as you log in and give you all the gear you want in the perfect trait? Why stop there? Why not give you all the achievements too even though you have done anything..........No, if you want something you have to work for it. That lesson works well in life too just fyi.

Stx

I couldn't disagree more. And I am someone who will most likely never participate in hard mode trials.

Perfected gear only has one minor stat line increase over regular gear that anyone can get. 1k stamina, 130 spell power, whatever. There is absolutely no reason that anyone should feel entitled to perfected gear unless they complete the hardest content. Even the regular non perfect sets are usually the best or one of the best options for performance in trials and dungeons, so why do you feel you need the perfected pieces?

This game has almost no vertical gear progression. You can craft and buy competitive gear and jump immediately into endgame content. Which I think is great. However, since there is little gear progression, I think it is a really nice feature that the hardest content in the game provides a very minor boost in gear. It appeals to both audiences that way.

This attitude of wanting everything without working hard for it is annoying. You already get almost everything in this game very easily. If you cant complete the hard modes, then you dont need that one extra line of stats, period.

Destyran

Perfected asylum staff seems BiS for pvp on some builds more than pve

In my opinion the should make a lot of things in trials BoE again so more players want to run them and it’s not a dead community

colossalvoids

There are exactly 0 reasons to wear perfected gear when you don't even do harder content. It's just a bit on top for those who managed to get there, it will not make a difference in dps, you will do just the same with only exception of AS inferno.
And it's not the best feeling in an mmo to ''get it all'', you need something to progress towards (that's why score exists) and gear is nice addition without being absolutely needed to be competitive.

Imperial_Voice

colossalvoids wrote: »

There are exactly 0 reasons to wear perfected gear when you don't even do harder content. It's just a bit on top for those who managed to get there, it will not make a difference in dps, you will do just the same with only exception of AS inferno.
And it's not the best feeling in an mmo to ''get it all'', you need something to progress towards (that's why score exists) and gear is nice addition without being absolutely needed to be competitive.

Agreed. Having everything in an MMO is literally what makes people quit.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

Olorime, Siroria and especially Relequen bis gear that nobody can do without? Hahahhahaah....

The significant majority using them is performing worse that if without them. Experienced players do not touch them also, because they are cirsumstancial working at less than 1% of the content. And especially at PVP are useless at best.

zaria

Tasear wrote: »

Issue honestly is lacking rewards at different levels

Normal trials
Normal hardmode trials - jelewery system with cloudrest helped

Need something for vet trial not just purple gear. Cloudrest was bad for this. How about decent titles in future.

Hardmode - comestic sellable or not,

Cloudrest fixes this with items dropping in various classes on +1 2 and 3.
You can still fill it out with just body parts, and use other set for jewelry and weapons

El_Borracho

Disagree with OP. This is no different from VMA weapons, monster helms, etc. Better gear should be harder to get. Besides, you can do everything without perfected gear. After all, you don't need perfected gear to get perfected gear

SaintSubwayy

oh we're on this topic again, awesome...some entiteled kiddy got out into the big world of the internet and found a BIS Setup containing Perfecteed gear.

If you think vet Trials are hard, then youre not ready to use the gear anyways!

idk

With OP’s suggestion we should just create NPCs and just have players pick out their gear.

No more gear drops. No more needing to clear vet dungeons for monster helms. No more needing to clear arenas for species weapons because we are all entitled to them.

BTW, Zos is more likely to double down on perfect weapons in the more challenging content than to make it easier to get the existing ones.