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Gold buying by real money is a bad practice in ESO - Please Restrict it!
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validifyedneb18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think its worth noting that as the gold received is from other players, this does not, in fact, increase inflation. So most of your complaints, like the one about it raising guild trader prices, are false or at-least not very obviously linked to this.EU: Magden, Magknight, Stamsorc(*2), Magsorc
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MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dont_do_drugs wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »This was actually smart move from ZOS. If they allow to buy gold directly with crowns, it will make ESO look like "Clash of clans" or whatever other mobile game (B**des, heh). But this exchange of gold for gifts adds another layer of socialization and immersion to trade, builds up demand for respectable people who everybody trusts so that people can ensure that deals are fair. On the other hand there is "black market" with low prices but high chance of scam.. it all makes game more alive, and in the same time people who don't want or don't have money to buy crowns may obtain CS items, and people who don't have time for grinding may receive gold, and ZOS receives income in process. It's win-win solution.
What kind of stupid comment, the crown black market has middlemen which secure the transactions.
You probably call middleman that person which i named respectable people who everybody trusts so that people can ensure that deals are fair, how he/she is called depends of attitude in particular guild lol.1 -
StormeReigns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭KaraBela94 wrote: »You really need to learn the definition of Pay2Win seriously
I know the definition very well.
Gold is used for power too, such as buying gear/upgrading the gear/bidding on guild traders.
There are many other uses.
If gold is available for real life money, it is P2W.
This definition is much broader.
This Is the best counter point I've seen. But I think people are just going to tell you that it's a "convenience".
So, strawmans are now good counters.... this thread is looking more like troll droppings by the op and his supporters each page...6 -
Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The reason I think it's not pay to win is because nobody can buy gold without someone willing to sell it. You can't get 5m without someone willing to give them 5million. It also adds a way for someone with gold to buy crown store items. Additionally it removes third party gold seller competition and gives the revenue to ZOS instead of third party bot farmers.
It's not without flaw but better than the alternatives imo.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.2 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭prototypefb wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Probably OP is concerned that if some people want to dominate trading market they may just sell 100k+ crowns for 30mil+ and bid for good trader which will leave out other guilds who earned let's say 20mil from trading and member donations. This scenario is probably possible and even takes place in reality (remember those strange guilds which are appearing in deshaan with poor listings for couple of weeks and then vanishing god knows where), but now there is not so big demand for crowns to make that an issue.
Still if we talk about established trading guilds and if they have rich IRL members, those guilds will have strong advantage and it will be literally P2W (in terms of trading place and prestige).
i don't see any1 spending rl money to hire a guild trader... seems far fetched.
if they do, then they must hate opposing guild very much and i feel for them(not rly, idc).
tipically large guild alliances conspire and bid on weak opponent spots to hurt competition and possibly get the spot in new upcomming guild of their own in future.
You probably didn't play other MMO's. Rich or even not so rich guys sometimes may spent their entire salary to get that fancy item or skin, and cost might be much higher then those 100k crowns. In ESO's case it's whole guild, prestige and respectable place. So if such person lands in ESO, only thing that prevents him from dominating trading spots is that demand for crown gifts is not so big to provide stable sales of hundred thousands of crowns.0 -
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✭✭✭I bought the Madcap Jester Monkey pet from a Crown Store trade and promptly cleared vMA.
Pay2Win.
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
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It is not P2W.
If you really want to gripe about gold buying you would be complaining about how long it takes for Zos to ban bot accounts. That is where the real issue is so please get priorities straight.
I disagree.
Though it is for sure Pay for too much convenience.
You really need to read what you quote before you respond.
You just disagreed to a quote where most of the comment was about bot accounts (actual gold sellers) and was saying that removing them should be a priority.
To that I say you are flat wrong. They are the most destabilizing force in a games economy and they give a huge bolster to the legitimate in game trading you are complaining about. Curb them and the in game gold value of crown items deflates. Do not curb them then everything of value in game inflates regardless.
In other words, you are sounding like you do not care if Zos permits this gold selling by the bots.
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✭✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »You’ve never participated in it but you want to restrict it?
As a Grand Master Crafter, Crown store exclusive motifs are my bane, I’ve had to buy them with gold from friends every time one is released. I have financial circumstances limiting my budget irl, why should I get restricted from collecting a new motif on my dedicated crafter because you don’t like other people having a mutually beneficial gold sink?
They are indeed a bane of the crafting system. So don't buy them. Don't buy them with crowns. Don't buy them with crowns via gold. If they see that this sort of move is unpopular, then they might stop. But by buying crowns with gold, people are merely encouraging ZOS to move more things into cash shop exclusive status, because more people are willing and able to buy them now.
I do have to agree with this.0 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭the devs block pay to win items from being gifted.
proof is in the very last twitch stream where they were asked if certain items were giftable and they very clearly said "no"
the items that give gain like the skyshard unlocks is blocked from being gifted.
again, the thread starter has given zero reasons and proofs that this current trade system is pay to win.2 -
Na0cho✭✭✭Lol.
They can make tons more gold and not spend anything by just playing the market.
Gold is the easiest thing to acquire in this game. If they want to waste real cash on it let them. It’s a waste.
Learn to make gold and this won’t even bother you at all. You will just laugh at the plebs.1 -
dogman✭✭✭✭Mommy, Timmy has that thing! I don't like that he has that thing! Let's ban everybody from having that thing!
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Universe✭✭✭✭✭
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It is not P2W.
If you really want to gripe about gold buying you would be complaining about how long it takes for Zos to ban bot accounts. That is where the real issue is so please get priorities straight.
I disagree.
Though it is for sure Pay for too much convenience.
You really need to read what you quote before you respond.
You just disagreed to a quote where most of the comment was about bot accounts (actual gold sellers) and was saying that removing them should be a priority.
To that I say you are flat wrong. They are the most destabilizing force in a games economy and they give a huge bolster to the legitimate in game trading you are complaining about. Curb them and the in game gold value of crown items deflates. Do not curb them then everything of value in game inflates regardless.
In other words, you are sounding like you do not care if Zos permits this gold selling by the bots.
I disagreed with you regarding the crown store items for gold trade isn't P2W.
It is P2W.
I'm one of the players who perhaps reported the most bots in the game.
You can take a look on this old discussion I started about bots:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/357289/bots-apocalypse-please-stop-them#latest
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✭✭✭✭✭I left a large and popular trade guild last year because they were raffling off crown items for gold. These raffles were made so the guild could secure a guild trade spot.2 -
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✭xilfxlegion wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »You’ve never participated in it but you want to restrict it?
As a Grand Master Crafter, Crown store exclusive motifs are my bane, I’ve had to buy them with gold from friends every time one is released. I have financial circumstances limiting my budget irl, why should I get restricted from collecting a new motif on my dedicated crafter because you don’t like other people having a mutually beneficial gold sink?
The ones who sold you the motifs earned the gold by using their real world money.
It is quite literally gold buying, like they approached some websites and bought their gold from the merchants for posted amount of real world currency, such as dollars.
Though in this case ZOS made the profit, not some third parties.
This isn't right and shouldn't be allowed.
No real world currency should allow the player to exchange it to gold.
What is currently being done:
1.Real world currency for crown packs.
2. Crown packs for crown store items.
3. Crown store items for gold.
So it is basically real world currency conversion to gold.
This is wrong and shouldn't be allowed to continue as it is now.
If ZOS doesn't want disallow it, they can at least restrict it.xilfxlegion wrote: »im still not getting how it is pay to win ?
Gold is extremely useful currency, used for many purposes to improve the characters power/game account/guild store trading.
Some examples: Buying/upgrading gear is a way to increase the power of the character, guild stores bidding process - easier through crown store gifting.
question ---- can you get gold and upgrade materials without buying them in the crown store ? yes --- therefore it is not pay to win.
what i dont get is why people complain about this ---- it literally hurts no one.
Because people complain about the fodumb stuff instead of what matters. Gold wont make you better at pvp or pve, trial sets are bound lolIGN: Ki'rah
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✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »This was actually smart move from ZOS. If they allow to buy gold directly with crowns, it will make ESO look like "Clash of clans" or whatever other mobile game (B**des, heh). But this exchange of gold for gifts adds another layer of socialization and immersion to trade, builds up demand for respectable people who everybody trusts so that people can ensure that deals are fair. On the other hand there is "black market" with low prices but high chance of scam.. it all makes game more alive, and in the same time people who don't want or don't have money to buy crowns may obtain CS items, and people who don't have time for grinding may receive gold, and ZOS receives income in process. It's win-win solution.
Look at gw2, gold to gems and gems to gold. It's all internal and not through a person though. I have never spent a dime on gems used gold to get what i wanted.IGN: Ki'rah
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Itzmichi✭✭✭✭✭
It is not P2W.
If you really want to gripe about gold buying you would be complaining about how long it takes for Zos to ban bot accounts. That is where the real issue is so please get priorities straight.
I disagree.
Though it is for sure Pay for too much convenience.
You really need to read what you quote before you respond.
You just disagreed to a quote where most of the comment was about bot accounts (actual gold sellers) and was saying that removing them should be a priority.
To that I say you are flat wrong. They are the most destabilizing force in a games economy and they give a huge bolster to the legitimate in game trading you are complaining about. Curb them and the in game gold value of crown items deflates. Do not curb them then everything of value in game inflates regardless.
In other words, you are sounding like you do not care if Zos permits this gold selling by the bots.
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Pretty much this.
I mean, the problem itself lies elsweyr, the new gift function didnt exist for too long, i highly doubt that there are many people who could make "billions" with that, as you stated OP.
The real problem lies within the bottery of doom, a machine powerful enough to dictate the market and economy of the game. For references i checked one of these famous "RMT" sites and i can tell you this, the exchange ratio which tends to be around 300-400g->1c is fair and the real problem lies within the farmers who RMT gold. The ratio of the official gifting is reasonable and i highly doubt that someone would pump that much real money into a game to generate gold via gifting, you bascially just jumping to a conclusion here, which i personally think is wrong.Edited by Itzmichi on April 14, 2019 4:16PMHere, have a chill pill 💊!0 -
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✭✭ZoS is getting more money
I am getting crown store things I would not waste RL money on...
Its very hard to see anything wrong with it, but certain amount limitation could be put in place.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Dont_do_drugs wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »This was actually smart move from ZOS. If they allow to buy gold directly with crowns, it will make ESO look like "Clash of clans" or whatever other mobile game (B**des, heh). But this exchange of gold for gifts adds another layer of socialization and immersion to trade, builds up demand for respectable people who everybody trusts so that people can ensure that deals are fair. On the other hand there is "black market" with low prices but high chance of scam.. it all makes game more alive, and in the same time people who don't want or don't have money to buy crowns may obtain CS items, and people who don't have time for grinding may receive gold, and ZOS receives income in process. It's win-win solution.
What kind of stupid comment, the crown black market has middlemen which secure the transactions.
You probably call middleman that person which i named respectable people who everybody trusts so that people can ensure that deals are fair, how he/she is called depends of attitude in particular guild lol.
I dont know what you are up to and what this is supposed to mean. It is absolutely useless to discuss the name of those people, which secure the transaction and keep care, that none of both parties are getting scammed. What you are doing here is spreading lies and trying to provoce. Why you are doing this is something, which can be figured out by the readers themselves, but itsw obvious where this is coming from. What you are doing is rude and nasty, so just grow up. Thanks.Edited by Dont_do_drugs on April 14, 2019 4:18PM
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✭✭✭✭✭Dont_do_drugs wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Dont_do_drugs wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »This was actually smart move from ZOS. If they allow to buy gold directly with crowns, it will make ESO look like "Clash of clans" or whatever other mobile game (B**des, heh). But this exchange of gold for gifts adds another layer of socialization and immersion to trade, builds up demand for respectable people who everybody trusts so that people can ensure that deals are fair. On the other hand there is "black market" with low prices but high chance of scam.. it all makes game more alive, and in the same time people who don't want or don't have money to buy crowns may obtain CS items, and people who don't have time for grinding may receive gold, and ZOS receives income in process. It's win-win solution.
What kind of stupid comment, the crown black market has middlemen which secure the transactions.
You probably call middleman that person which i named respectable people who everybody trusts so that people can ensure that deals are fair, how he/she is called depends of attitude in particular guild lol.
I dont know what you are up to and what this is supposed to mean. It is absolutely useless to discuss the name of those people, which secure the transaction and keep care, that none of both parties are getting scammed. What you are doing here is spreading lies and trying to provoce. Why you are doing this is something, which can be figured out by the readers themselves, but itsw obvious where this is coming from. What you are doing is rude and nasty, so just grow up. Thanks.
Wow, and you call ME rude after two your posts. I guess OP is right that crown selling gets out of control in terms of influence on trading, if I see such turbulent reaction on my rather neutral post.2 -
Pink_E_808✭✭✭✭Here's a scenario for ya OP: Say I've been playing a long time and have been able here and there to purchase a month or so of ESO plus. I have millions of gold in my bank, just sitting there. I've pretty much got my gear set up down, have a bursting craft bag because of the times I can afford ESO plus (so don't need to buy mats for anything) and can make pretty much anything I might need, be it gear or furniture or whatever. BUT, what I don't have is that awesome mount or sweet statue that I really want and I've already spent whatever crowns I might have had (if any) and can't purchase any more because of bills. One of my friends just so happens to have enough crowns, doesn't want or need anything for themselves from the crown store, but needs some gold for several 100k items from a guild trader or the luxury vendor.
You're saying that you would rather I kept sitting on my pile of gold and NOT have my friend buy that (probably purely cosmetic) item for me in return for gold that they can use to buy the items they want from in-game vendors????
Huh.6 -
kmcaj✭✭✭✭✭I like being able to purchase useless items from crown store that I would never pay real money for. It would decrease my enjoyment for the game if I couldn't trade my gold to someone who is willing to purchase these items because they would rather have my gold. It would lessen their enjoyment as well. Not going to be able to make everyone happy. Luckily, I feel my enjoyment will continue as ZOS making money with the way I like it.1
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PURPLE245✭✭✭people have been selling gold for irl money strait up for yearsEdited by PURPLE245 on April 14, 2019 4:43PM↓♛The Fam♛↓¯\_(ツ)_/¯AD/High Elf-NB=Chip-D-I-P-SAD/High Elf-Sorc=Why PlayAD/High Elf-Templar=Star BucksAD/High Elf-DK=D-I-P-SDC/Orc-DK=Super NubAD/Wood Elf-Templar=L M A OAD/Wood Elf-NB=ßoßAD/Wood Elf-sorc=TarzanEP/Argonian-dk=Swimming Like A SharkPC☜═㋡630+cp ㋡═☞EUUser ID=@PURPLE971 -
Elrond87✭✭✭the ones that complain about it are properly the ones running the gold selling websites, losing out since this happensPC|EU
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reg369✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »KaraBela94 wrote: »You really need to learn the definition of Pay2Win seriously
I know the definition very well.
Gold is used for power too, such as buying gear/upgrading the gear/bidding on guild traders.
There are many other uses.
If gold is available for real life money, it is P2W.
This definition is much broader.
no ---- because gold doesnt help you win anything in this game. you cant just make up your own definition
You can have a different opinion on that matter but to say that gold does not make you stronger is a complete lie. You can buy armor, weapons, potions, poisens and change skills with gold. If you can buy gold for real life money it is pay to win. Because there is not a good way to buy gold for real life money and you can be scamed, it still falls in a grey area for me. But ZOS and the community should be more carefully when it comes to pay to win. If there are more and more and more ways real life money effects the game like buying Skyshards or store exclusive crafting stiles, than the gameplay will always suffer. I want more game and less buying dumb stuff. I have nothing against giving money to ZOS but there are just so little cool costumes and items in the crown store.2 -
reg369✭✭Pink_E_808 wrote: »Here's a scenario for ya OP: Say I've been playing a long time and have been able here and there to purchase a month or so of ESO plus. I have millions of gold in my bank, just sitting there. I've pretty much got my gear set up down, have a bursting craft bag because of the times I can afford ESO plus (so don't need to buy mats for anything) and can make pretty much anything I might need, be it gear or furniture or whatever. BUT, what I don't have is that awesome mount or sweet statue that I really want and I've already spent whatever crowns I might have had (if any) and can't purchase any more because of bills. One of my friends just so happens to have enough crowns, doesn't want or need anything for themselves from the crown store, but needs some gold for several 100k items from a guild trader or the luxury vendor.
You're saying that you would rather I kept sitting on my pile of gold and NOT have my friend buy that (probably purely cosmetic) item for me in return for gold that they can use to buy the items they want from in-game vendors????
Huh.
Yes.1 -
kypranb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Pay to Win: I bought an outfit from the cash store that, when worn, boosts my max health, stamina, and magicka, by 15%. This item is exclusive to people who buy it from the cash shop.
Not Pay to win: I traded cash store cosmetics/utility items for gold, or other items that any player can obtain.4 -
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✭Not only should it not be limited, it should be expanded. I would like ESO to incorporate a gold-to-crown/crown-to-gold system themselves, to make this process even more convenient for us. Unless you like dishing out hundreds of dollars on crown store cosmetics instead having the option for someone else to do this for you using your gold. Hmm, hard decision here.
Edited by Cireous on April 14, 2019 5:28PM3 -
Reevster✭✭✭✭✭I pay real money to buy ESO sub , I get gold from daily awards etc etc.
Is that pay to play too?
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