Perfected Gear shouldnt be locked behind hard modes

wishlist14 · April 2019

A lot of players want better gear even though they can't do vet trials for well , reasons. I guess imperfect gear sounds insulting to be fair. Here you go scum have the imperfect dregs ....perfected is for the leet. Hierachy ***. It's always about the freaking 1% when it comes to anything harder than a vet dungeon or normal trial.

Im angry and yes i know I'll get backlash by the endgamers that police these forums or those players that need to protect the status quo....do you really think for a second it's going to hurt the hard moders if the rest of us get better gear ..

Hard content should not be hidden behind a gear wall ....if players need challenges then they can do it naked but we want better gear so we can experience more content.

Many of us will never be leet due to ; our servers, slower reflexes due to sports injuries, accidents, or age. Some cannot allocate the required time it takes to practice to get to that level and the most likely reason is lack of natural talent even when players try their best. In some cases its all of the above.

I get these data analysis addon they are implementing is supposed to help,players improve but not everyone is into data analysing. Some ppl just want to play as best they can and improve naturally as they progress where the games pushes them at their pace. Is this so difficult for ppl to understand?

Jhalin · April 2019

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

ccfeeling wrote: »

VioletVience wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

99% of the player base will never have BiS gear and can never hope to get it.
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Cause 99% of the player base don't want to understand ESO combat system and game mechanics. This players love do nothing fot BiS gear.

There are many great players in the game, and they dont have such gears.

Because non craglorn progression takes a lot of time a try for months.

it is never play friendly, sometimes, real life issues limited them not the mechanics , Zos knows and those gears just created for big guild tho.

Here’s a hint: DLC trials are DESIGNED to be DIFFICULT

Casual players aren’t supposed to be able to clear it. They’re not supposed to be getting the best gear in the game just by logging in and having it handed to them.

Devote more time, hone skills, actively seek out other dedicated raiders. Otherwise sit down and stop being an entitled brat

Its not a skill issue for many players.

The title of this thread is basically “It’s unfair that stronger gear is rewarded for harder content”

This is an MMO, you go in knowing it requires time and practice to do the hardest raids

It requires being social, and there’s nothing wrong with that design choice for a multiplayer game.

dazee · April 2019

ESO has no business being like other mmos, FFXIV does every standard MMO thing better already. if people want a classic MMO experience go play that, it will be a far better experience.

ESO has a niche becuase it does things other mmos do not do. ESO succeeds by virtue of being different. take that away and people leave and ESO loses its place.

O_LYKOS · April 2019

oh, why don't they just hand you the gear when you just walk in the trial

dazee · April 2019

O_LYKOS wrote: »

oh, why don't they just hand you the gear when you just walk in the trial

Literally no one is asking for that so stop trolling. What people want is for vet trial gear to not be head and shoulders better than everything else. which is very reasonable given this didnt used to be a thing. your gear sets which were BIS used to always depend on your build, it needs to go back to that.

Klingenlied · April 2019

Hmm. I actually think we have not enough of this perfected stuff. Should be in dungeon and pvp rewards as well. Pvp, let it do extra damage in pvp, dungeon stuff, well extra damage in overworld and dungeons, trial stuff with extra damage in dungeons and trials is already fine.
Only thing that actually kinda sucks is the time required for some stuff due to randomness. Would love an accompanying token system to ease out a lack of luck.

WrathOfInnos · April 2019

wishlist14 wrote: »

Im angry and yes i know I'll get backlash by the endgamers that police these forums or those players that need to protect the status quo....do you really think for a second it's going to hurt the hard moders if the rest of us get better gear ..

It’s not about preventing people from having gear. It’s about putting a sufficient reward to incentivize people to learn and repeatedly complete the hardest content. They did a great job of this with vCR HM (+1,2 and 3), where Perfected gear and Welkynar motifs bring in hundreds if not thousands of players every day. vAS was also a great example when Perfected Asylum weapons were still the top gear around. Not nearly as many people run vAS HM now (although I will say the Clockwork Polymorph runebox is still a pretty good incentive).

Contrast this with vBRP, which has no gear that is really sought after, and no drops that are worth selling. People tend to do one run for the skin, then forget the place exists.

Similar goes for vMoL HM. vMoL and nMoL are popular for the skin and the gear farming (mostly Alkosh), but there’s really not much reason to do HM. Most groups do it once for the title then move on to other things. Perfected Moondancer and Alkosh would fix this problem immediately.

wishlist14 wrote: »

Hard content should not be hidden behind a gear wall ....if players need challenges then they can do it naked but we want better gear so we can experience more content.

There is no content hidden behind a gear wall. Every hard mode trial can be completed in gear that is crafted or bought from guild traders. Some dungeon sets are also useful, and can be obtained fairly easily (normal for armor, vet non-HM for monster helms).

There is gear behind a content wall, which is only marginally better than other gear, and is one of the few motivators for people to run HM trials.

dazee · April 2019

Klingenlied wrote: »

Hmm. I actually think we have not enough of this perfected stuff. Should be in dungeon and pvp rewards as well. Pvp, let it do extra damage in pvp, dungeon stuff, well extra damage in overworld and dungeons, trial stuff with extra damage in dungeons and trials is already fine.
Only thing that actually kinda sucks is the time required for some stuff due to randomness. Would love an accompanying token system to ease out a lack of luck.

Becuase you have to have those leet items 90% of everyone doesnt to feel special. sad.

Jhalin · April 2019

dazee wrote: »

O_LYKOS wrote: »

oh, why don't they just hand you the gear when you just walk in the trial

Literally no one is asking for that so stop trolling. What people want is for vet trial gear to not be head and shoulders better than everything else. which is very reasonable given this didnt used to be a thing. your gear sets which were BIS used to always depend on your build, it needs to go back to that.

None of the perfected gear from any trial is “heads and shoulders better” than the imperfect versions

They provide minor dps boosts to players capable of utilizing them

Olupajmibanan · April 2019

I have full Perfected Olorime. That 1k magicka active only on my back bar really makes me an overpowered healer.

Sanguinor2 · April 2019

dazee wrote: »

O_LYKOS wrote: »

oh, why don't they just hand you the gear when you just walk in the trial

Literally no one is asking for that so stop trolling. What people want is for vet trial gear to not be head and shoulders better than everything else. which is very reasonable given this didnt used to be a thing. your gear sets which were BIS used to always depend on your build, it needs to go back to that.

Perfected gear gives 1 more resource Bonus if we take the perfected from cloudrest and compare it to the regular cloudrest gear, this is a roughly 104 effctive spell/weapon Damage increase so how is this a significant, massive Advantage again?

Also there is a lot of vCR+3 and vAS+2 getting cleared with dungeon and Zone sets, like sorrow Body, bsw/scathing frontbar or normal trial Drops like war machine/master architect so you dont actually Need the perfected siro/rele gear to be relevant in These Trials. A good enough Player will clear vCR+3 with julianos/sorrow, bsw/sorrow and other dungeon/overland/normal Trial gear, its all About experience and skill, sure perfected gear can help in some Trials but it is not as big of an Advantage as you are painting it to be.

SoLooney · April 2019

dazee wrote: »

One of the big draws for ESO was the best gear didnt require years of grinding and practice to get. sadly that's no longer the case.

It doesnt take years to get to the point to farm plus 1 cloudrest. If you and your group take years to finally clear a plus 1, that's a personal issue, not the issue of the game.

And you dont even need it in perfect traits, just the pieces and you're down

God forbid you have to follow mechanics, have a solid dps rotation, and progress. Role players and casuals just want it easy

getemshauna · April 2019

Mother's sorrow and julianos is all you need to get competetive dps and finishing the content skipping mechanics. Perfected gear won't play for you.

Nerftheforums · April 2019

Git gud

Trinity_Is_My_Name · April 2019

Perfected gear is hard to get for a reason. Getting it should stay the way it is: Hard to get. It takes months of working with a group to finally beat the Hard Mode Trials. The gear should be rewarding, not the same as non hard mode.

Joy_Division · April 2019

If they lock cosmetics or a mount behind hard mode, people will complain about that too.

Blackleopardex · April 2019

The funny part is, when you can't handle the content to get perfected gear, you will never notice the difference between perfected and non-perfected. Many are so obsessed with getting perfected gear. Why? Because greed? Because spoiled? I don't know. The fact of the matter is, it's made as a reward for us that beat the hardest content. Before you worry about getting perfected gear, maybe worry about doing a perfected rotation, makes a much bigger difference, and you would probably get the gear then xD

jcm2606 · April 2019

do you really think for a second it's going to hurt the hard moders if the rest of us get better gear ..

It's not a matter of "hurting the hard moders", it's a matter of the content becoming pointless a month or two after release. If the only thing that came from veteran Blackrose Prison was a participation trophy, most people would run it a few times to clear it, get the achievements, then they'd never touch it again.

Locking gear behind it gives people a tangible reason to run the content. Veteran Maelstrom is, what, 3 going on 4 years now? Because the next step up in gear is locked behind it, people still run it to this day, chasing that next step up.

If players are only going to run the content for a month or two, then why bother putting in the effort to make it in the first place? It wouldn't even last until the next quarter.

Hard content should not be hidden behind a gear wall ....if players need challenges then they can do it naked but we want better gear so we can experience more content.

See above.

Many of us will never be leet due to ; our servers, slower reflexes due to sports injuries, accidents, or age. Some cannot allocate the required time it takes to practice to get to that level and the most likely reason is lack of natural talent even when players try their best. In some cases its all of the above.

I'm really sorry, but why should the game cater itself to you? It sucks that you can't enjoy the game to its fullest extent, it really does, but the game shouldn't build itself around such a small minority.

Furthermore, if you cannot do the harder content, then why the hell are you chasing meta gear that's only marginally better than the next tier down? A few percent makes a difference when pushing scores in a vet HM trial, but it's completely meaningless in the other 98% of the game.

Overland content is practically built for casual gamers, being able to be solo'd naked and with no CP by most veteran players. Normal dungeons are so forgiving that Bob Smith over there with his bow/resto heavy armour magicka templar, pulling 10k DPS at his peak, can comfortably clear most content. Normal trials, the roles are so diluted that it literally does not matter what you bring, unless you're in an entire raid of casuals. Even veteran dungeons are accessible to you, being able to be done semi-comfortably with as little as 15k DPS in most base game dungeons.

There's plenty of content available to you that doesn't require meta gear. 90% of what I just listed can be done with stuff you just threw together in 5 minutes. I know, because I've done it.

I get these data analysis addon they are implementing is supposed to help,players improve but not everyone is into data analysing. Some ppl just want to play as best they can and improve naturally as they progress where the games pushes them at their pace. Is this so difficult for ppl to understand?

See above, but also, what does the combat logging addition have to do with this?

I guess, as closing words, who really cares about meta gear if you're only going to be doing casual content? At that point, it's much less of a need, more of a want, a really bad want. I'm sorry, but you're just not going to have everything handed to you on a silver platter. You are going to have to work for the best gear, if you want the best gear. People have gone through hundreds of veteran Maelstrom runs looking for that perfect sharpened bow, if they can suck it up, you can to.

jcm2606 · April 2019

dazee wrote: »

One of the big draws for ESO was the best gear didnt require years of grinding and practice to get. sadly that's no longer the case.

Those who had to endure the woes of veteran Maelstrom Arena hundreds of times to get that one sharpened bow or flame staff would like a word with you.

templesus · April 2019

Kikke wrote: »

You don't need perfected gear unless you can do HMs tbh.

And Perfected gear aint progression gear, it's BiS End gear for HM trial goers.

Progression:
Julianos / mother sorrow pre dungeons.
Mother sorrow / Burning Spellweave: pre trial progression
Burning spellweave / spell strat: Early trial progression.
Non-Perfected Siroria / spell strat: Near end trial progression.
Perfected Siroria / spell strat: End Game Setup. Total BiS, End of the Line. You've done it all! GG!

So please, can you further explain how PERFECTED gear is PROGRESSION gear please?

This. Not to mention there are other end game setups as well such as spell strat/sorrow in vAS, Architect/Sorrow, Siroria/Sorrow with shadow, etc. lots of options. And none of them are absolutely needed to complete endgame content.

Bigevilpeter · April 2019

Blackleopardex wrote: »

The funny part is, when you can't handle the content to get perfected gear, you will never notice the difference between perfected and non-perfected. Many are so obsessed with getting perfected gear. Why? Because greed? Because spoiled? I don't know. The fact of the matter is, it's made as a reward for us that beat the hardest content. Before you worry about getting perfected gear, maybe worry about doing a perfected rotation, makes a much bigger difference, and you would probably get the gear then xD

Get a perfect rotation, get a perfect guild, also torture yourself and waste tons of hours of your life dying to the same thing over and over, and if you get it right someone else screws up. I remeber how painful it was just beating standard vMoL, why would I ever want to do HMs for vTrials. Its only meant for those who want to torture themselves

Blackleopardex · April 2019

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Blackleopardex wrote: »

The funny part is, when you can't handle the content to get perfected gear, you will never notice the difference between perfected and non-perfected. Many are so obsessed with getting perfected gear. Why? Because greed? Because spoiled? I don't know. The fact of the matter is, it's made as a reward for us that beat the hardest content. Before you worry about getting perfected gear, maybe worry about doing a perfected rotation, makes a much bigger difference, and you would probably get the gear then xD

Get a perfect rotation, get a perfect guild, also torture yourself and waste tons of hours of your life dying to the same thing over and over, and if you get it right someone else screws up. I remeber how painful it was just beating standard vMoL, why would I ever want to do HMs for vTrials. Its only meant for those who want to torture themselves

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/468423/master-angler-should-not-be-locked-behind-fishing#latest

Cheezits94 · April 2019

If you really think the additional 1024 Magicka on Perfected Siroria make a big dps difference, you don't even need trial sets in the first place.

Sanguinor2 · April 2019

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Get a perfect rotation, get a perfect guild, also torture yourself and waste tons of hours of your life dying to the same thing over and over, and if you get it right someone else screws up. I remeber how painful it was just beating standard vMoL, why would I ever want to do HMs for vTrials. Its only meant for those who want to torture themselves

Why do you even want the perfected gear in the first place if you dont want to do the vet HM Trials? 1k max mag isnt going to make or break your dungeon runs or Arena runs or regular vet Trial runs or normal Trial runs or whatever Content you do.

Strider__Roshin · April 2019

It most certainly should be restricted to HM. Skill should be rewarded. This game is catered to bad players too much as it is.

Bigevilpeter · April 2019

Daus wrote: »

It most certainly should be restricted to HM. Skill should be rewarded. This game is catered to bad players too much as it is.

Thats the problem with elitists, they ruin the game, beating vMoL or vHoF or any othe vDLC still makes you a bad player, even thouugh its still very hard to a very good group with skill and good setups and it takes so much time to just beat non hm.

Elitists are just killing this game

templesus · April 2019

wishlist14 wrote: »

A lot of players want better gear even though they can't do vet trials for well , reasons. I guess imperfect gear sounds insulting to be fair. Here you go scum have the imperfect dregs ....perfected is for the leet. Hierachy ***. It's always about the freaking 1% when it comes to anything harder than a vet dungeon or normal trial.

Im angry and yes i know I'll get backlash by the endgamers that police these forums or those players that need to protect the status quo....do you really think for a second it's going to hurt the hard moders if the rest of us get better gear ..

Hard content should not be hidden behind a gear wall ....if players need challenges then they can do it naked but we want better gear so we can experience more content.

Many of us will never be leet due to ; our servers, slower reflexes due to sports injuries, accidents, or age. Some cannot allocate the required time it takes to practice to get to that level and the most likely reason is lack of natural talent even when players try their best. In some cases its all of the above.

I get these data analysis addon they are implementing is supposed to help,players improve but not everyone is into data analysing. Some ppl just want to play as best they can and improve naturally as they progress where the games pushes them at their pace. Is this so difficult for ppl to understand?

Actually it is, why do you need perfected gear to go at your own pace? And if you truly can’t perform at end-game level because of some form of disability, why are you trying to at all? If there is seriously something inhibiting you from pulling good DPS I am sorry but there is nothing an extra 1k magicka will do for you to get you to the top. You have to look more towards tools etc that will allocate for someone with a disability to perform better under their conditions.

This was not meant to be disrespectful in any way shape or form, I just genuinely don’t understand why someone who wants to play at their own pace (which pardon me for assuming, but generally means they have low~average level dps) needs an extra 1k magicka. It makes 0 logical sense.

What I read from you post, is that the top sprinters in the world should not be given better spikes then everyone else, because everyone else may not have the time to invest in practice to get to that top sprinters level, nor the natural talent to do so. Even though they try their best.

That is not how the world functions.

Effort is rewarded. Skill is rewarded. Performance is rewarded. As they should be.

Bigevilpeter · April 2019

templesus wrote: »

wishlist14 wrote: »

A lot of players want better gear even though they can't do vet trials for well , reasons. I guess imperfect gear sounds insulting to be fair. Here you go scum have the imperfect dregs ....perfected is for the leet. Hierachy ***. It's always about the freaking 1% when it comes to anything harder than a vet dungeon or normal trial.

Im angry and yes i know I'll get backlash by the endgamers that police these forums or those players that need to protect the status quo....do you really think for a second it's going to hurt the hard moders if the rest of us get better gear ..

Hard content should not be hidden behind a gear wall ....if players need challenges then they can do it naked but we want better gear so we can experience more content.

Many of us will never be leet due to ; our servers, slower reflexes due to sports injuries, accidents, or age. Some cannot allocate the required time it takes to practice to get to that level and the most likely reason is lack of natural talent even when players try their best. In some cases its all of the above.

I get these data analysis addon they are implementing is supposed to help,players improve but not everyone is into data analysing. Some ppl just want to play as best they can and improve naturally as they progress where the games pushes them at their pace. Is this so difficult for ppl to understand?

Actually it is, why do you need perfected gear to go at your own pace? And if you truly can’t perform at end-game level because of some form of disability, why are you trying to at all? If there is seriously something inhibiting you from pulling good DPS I am sorry but there is nothing an extra 1k magicka will do for you to get you to the top. You have to look more towards tools etc that will allocate for someone with a disability to perform better under their conditions.

This was not meant to be disrespectful in any way shape or form, I just genuinely don’t understand why someone who wants to play at their own pace (which pardon me for assuming, but generally means they have low~average level dps) needs an extra 1k magicka. It makes 0 logical sense.

What I read from you post, is that the top sprinters in the world should not be given better spikes then everyone else, because everyone else may not have the time to invest in practice to get to that top sprinters level, nor the natural talent to do so. Even though they try their best.

That is not how the world functions.

Effort is rewarded. Skill is rewarded. Performance is rewarded. As they should be.

Problem is its not people with low average dps, its actually pretty good players with really high dps and a ton of exp and still cant beat HM

mairwen85 · April 2019

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Perfected gear isn't "progression" gear. You really only need it if you are doing that content.

Outside of the Asylum's Perfected Destruction Staff, the difference between "perfected" and "non-perfected" is minuscule.

The difference is not that small, an entire group buff set from the new trials gives the whole party 129 weapon damage which is equivalent to 1 perfected set piece and people will be all over that set and it will become BiS. You can do without it ofc, but you can do without so many things.

Also you need perfected gear to do hard modes but you need hard modes to get perfected gear.

Its like you need 5 years of experience to get a job and you need a job to get 5 years of experience

The permissions paradox doesn't apply here... Because perfected gear is obtainable without perfected gear. Hard modes can be completed with any effective setup. Obtaining perfected weapons depends on player skill and nothing else (well, RNG of course).

You do need to skill up, you do need to play these things many times to get to the skill level - - but that also circumvents the paradoxical argument you presented.

The issue is a green eyed one, unfortunately.

DisgracefulMind · April 2019

Why should you get the better gear for less effort?

Perfected gear should 100% be locked behind hard-modes - it gives you a goal, so go for it.