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Perfected Gear shouldnt be locked behind hard modes
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Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »I agree with OP. Perfected wep specially are extremely strong in pvp, I find it annoying and unfair that pvers only will have access to these strong weapons.
So, the well-rounded players, who do both PVP AND PVE have access to weapons that are stronger than those who only do one type of content.
Seems fair. They do more, they get more.
It would be fair to lock BIS PvE gear behind massive PvP grind imo.
May I introduce you to Spell Strategist
May I introduce you to guild stores?
Fun fact you can buy gear runs from players if you really don’t wanna work on a progression group to get perfected gear0 -
Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »I agree with OP. Perfected wep specially are extremely strong in pvp, I find it annoying and unfair that pvers only will have access to these strong weapons.
So, the well-rounded players, who do both PVP AND PVE have access to weapons that are stronger than those who only do one type of content.
Seems fair. They do more, they get more.
It would be fair to lock BIS PvE gear behind massive PvP grind imo.
May I introduce you to Spell Strategist
Edit: And transmute crystals
And easily obtained crafting mats via tel var
Warhorn
Caltrops
Purge
Barrier
Well rounded players are and should be the most successful
Did you just compare getting Caltrops with farming vet raids in hardmode? Ok bro.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.1 -
SkoobySnaxx✭✭✭If you cant complete hard content you dont deserve a perfected gear! Ive cleared hard content with a non perfected gear and can hit 56k - 59k dps on both my stam and magblade and 46k on my stamplar (no fracture).
None of those things matter though cuz ive seen people pulling numbers and cant do simple mechanics or keep a high time on target. Same goes for Perfected gears. Theres no point in having them if you cant complete vet trials easily. Not only that but if youre not going for end game pve theres no reason why you cant complete a content without the 1k extra stam or mag from wearing perfected2 -
Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »I agree with OP. Perfected wep specially are extremely strong in pvp, I find it annoying and unfair that pvers only will have access to these strong weapons.
So, the well-rounded players, who do both PVP AND PVE have access to weapons that are stronger than those who only do one type of content.
Seems fair. They do more, they get more.
It would be fair to lock BIS PvE gear behind massive PvP grind imo.
May I introduce you to Spell Strategist
May I introduce you to guild stores?
Fun fact you can buy gear runs from players if you really don’t wanna work on a progression group to get perfected gear
So there wouldn't be an issue if we do weekly PvP tournas with BiS PvE weapons as reward for the top 1% of the playerbase. You can still pay people to carry you...I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.2 -
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Playing devil advocate here.
So once you get the perfect gear you only use it on vet hm trial score runs and remove the rest of the time you play because you don't need it after all it is just to push a number higher on leaderboards anyway.
That is my point people want the best even if they are capable to even be able to really use or need it. By locking it out of the average players reach seems unfair. I mean if it adds like 1-3k dps for the best on the average play it would only add a few hundred extra dps at best.0 -
Att1Tude✭✭✭Didn't read anything but you're wrong.PC-EU
How-Much-Is-The-Fish Stamsorc
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ccfeeling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭End game gears designing for end game players.
There is nothing related with most of us
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AndyMac✭✭✭✭✭Yeah - getting the best gear should require clearing the hardest content. There needs to be incentives to beat hard content and gear is the best reward.
I run the standard Siroria set - even with the purple jewels it is super strong. There's no need at all for the perfected set to get legit end game numbers.
IMO people make too much out of gear. All things within reason, of course, but correct skills and a sorted rotation are really what make a difference. Gear just buffs them, imo.
I can admit that I can get more extra DPS than the perfected buff gives by wearing standard and working on my rotation on the dummy - problem solved. I think that would be true of a lot of end game players.
No need for perfected.
Andymac - Magicka DK - EP Grand Overlord - Flawless Conqueror0 -
Zatox✭✭✭✭I dont like a concept of perfected gear and HM. Lock the weapon behind VET is more acceptable for me (like vMA weapons or monster helm). But it is just a personal preference.
PS. A difference between normal and perfected asylum destrostuff seems too big, while two-handed are almost equal0 -
thorwyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Just out of curiosity:
We kind of agree that perfected gear is the best gear available. So what is OP's suggestion for possible drops in HM trials?And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
And if there is no room upon the hill
And if your head explodes with dark forebodings too
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon1 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You don't need perfected gear unless you can do HMs tbh.
And Perfected gear aint progression gear, it's BiS End gear for HM trial goers.
Progression:
Julianos / mother sorrow pre dungeons.
Mother sorrow / Burning Spellweave: pre trial progression
Burning spellweave / spell strat: Early trial progression.
Non-Perfected Siroria / spell strat: Near end trial progression.
Perfected Siroria / spell strat: End Game Setup. Total BiS, End of the Line. You've done it all! GG!
So please, can you further explain how PERFECTED gear is PROGRESSION gear please?
After some time a lot of people will want you to have the gear to do the runs, but you need the runs to do the gear.0 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'd rather get properly rewarded with Perfected gear for upping the difficulty with HM and completing it.
Otherwise, what's the incentive for doing it again after unlocking the cosmetics for the 1st completion?
They could put rare items in the hard modes. Things like discontinued crown store stuff, gold mats, gold jewelry, etc. Something worth grinding.0 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you can’t complete the hardest content you don’t need the best gear. Average gear is plenty good for average difficulty content.
I wouldn't call vet cloudrest average content. It's very hard to find groups for it because it's very difficult and you don't get anything different from doing it +0 even though even that is far harder than normal cloudrest, normal being a joke.Edited by spartaxoxo on April 13, 2019 5:31PM0 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »I agree with OP. Perfected wep specially are extremely strong in pvp, I find it annoying and unfair that pvers only will have access to these strong weapons.
So, the well-rounded players, who do both PVP AND PVE have access to weapons that are stronger than those who only do one type of content.
Seems fair. They do more, they get more.
It would be fair to lock BIS PvE gear behind massive PvP grind imo.
May I introduce you to Spell Strategist
Edit: And transmute crystals
And easily obtained crafting mats via tel var
Warhorn
Caltrops
Purge
Barrier
Well rounded players are and should be the most successful
Did you just compare getting Caltrops with farming vet raids in hardmode? Ok bro.
Did you just try to say a +1 is “farming HM”?
HM is +3
+1 gives you armor and it’s not even close to a +3 fight
The point still stands, if you can’t clear vet reliably, you have zero need for score-pushing gear and even less justification for this much entitlement0 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »If you can’t complete the hardest content you don’t need the best gear. Average gear is plenty good for average difficulty content.
I wouldn't call vet cloudrest average content. It's very hard to find groups for it because it's very difficult and you don't get anything different from doing it +0 even though even that is far harder than normal cloudrest, normal being a joke.
+0 gives you a perfected weapon
+1 gives a perfected weapon and a piece of perfected gear
+2/+3 for perfected jewelry on top of the perfected gear and weapon
Relequin is best paired with a heavy armor set so all you need to run is the +1
Siroria is best paired with other LA sets, so you can farm it on +1s also and still get use from the weapons
Galenwe same thing, +1 farming
It’s hardly asking for HM farming1 -
Victor_Blade✭✭✭✭Doesn't make sense for me tbh. I mean if you're good player then you'll be good with whatever set you play with. People can see almost similar results with non perfected sets. For example: I use bsw and spell strategist in hm trials and I still numbers as high as my mate with perfected siroria. Usually even more cos of sirorias irregular stacks. Any player can do more than adequate dps with any combination of 2 decent dps sets. Unless you're one of those who measures a person's actual worth in groups cos of how high his dummy parses are, then ig you will need perfected gear.1 -
Gaggin✭✭✭✭Right now the only perfected gear locked behind hm are asylum weapons and none of them are bis for completing that trial.0
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VioletVience✭✭✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »99% of the player base will never have BiS gear and can never hope to get it.
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Cause 99% of the player base don't want to understand ESO combat system and game mechanics. This players love do nothing fot BiS gear.Edited by VioletVience on April 13, 2019 8:41PM2 -
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I want all the stuff handed to me with no difficulty getting it. Why do you want the best gear in the game if you can't make use of it doing the hardest trials, the point of it is for a progression for the people who actually want to do that content otherwise you take away what little incentive there already is to do itBigevilpeter wrote: »Veteran Trials are already insanely hard on no hard mode and very few percentage of the players ever manage to beat them, even fewer on hard mode. Hard mode isn't supposed to be content that is done by the average or even good player, it is there for the elite 1% of the community.
This new trend of locking perfected gear behind hard mode, also every set having multiple peaces meaning you have to do it a lot to get all what you need, is just stupid and discouraging. 99% of the player base will never have BiS gear and can never hope to get it.
Leave progression gear out of hard mode and keep it for cosmetics and leaderboards and those who just want a challenge. Don't lock the best game gear behind it.
P.S. I know already there will be comments of oh, why don't they just hand you the gear when you just walk in the trial or dumb generic stuff like that, we can just completely ignore them since this is just a standard bot response regardless of the situation or context.
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ATreeGnome✭✭✭✭Frankly, if you aren't at a skill level where you can do vet hard mode trials, then the boost you get from perfected gear isn't going to make any difference a anyway. Top players gain less than a 2% DPS boost from perfected vs non-perfected Relequen. For an "average" player, who might pull 20k DPS, that's MAYBE a 400 DPS boost. Not enough to make a difference in virtually any situation, aside from score pushing. Most other perfected/non-perfected sets are in line with this or provide an even smaller boost.
The only exception I see is the Asylum destruction staff. Perfected has a pretty massive advantage but that's still just 1 situational item.2 -
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✭Perfected weapons should be locked behind perfected runs, no deaths no skipping any single enemy speed run.0 -
supaskrub✭✭✭✭✭Its min-max gear, for people that truly want to min max for the competitive side of the game where every little helps, 99% of the player base don’t need it.
The orher 1% do the content where they ‘earn’ the gear and use it to be competitive, asking for it to become more widely available is just entitlement, let the co-ordinated groups have their days in the sun, in the greater scheme of things it changes nothing but nless your group is at the top of its game.0 -
ccfeeling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭VioletVience wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »99% of the player base will never have BiS gear and can never hope to get it.
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Cause 99% of the player base don't want to understand ESO combat system and game mechanics. This players love do nothing fot BiS gear.
There are many great players in the game, and they dont have such gears.
Because non craglorn progression takes a lot of time a try for months.
it is never play friendly, sometimes, real life issues limited them not the mechanics , Zos knows and those gears just created for big guild tho.
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Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭VioletVience wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »99% of the player base will never have BiS gear and can never hope to get it.
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Cause 99% of the player base don't want to understand ESO combat system and game mechanics. This players love do nothing fot BiS gear.
There are many great players in the game, and they dont have such gears.
Because non craglorn progression takes a lot of time a try for months.
it is never play friendly, sometimes, real life issues limited them not the mechanics , Zos knows and those gears just created for big guild tho.
Here’s a hint: DLC trials are DESIGNED to be DIFFICULT
Casual players aren’t supposed to be able to clear it. They’re not supposed to be getting the best gear in the game just by logging in and having it handed to them.
Devote more time, hone skills, actively seek out other dedicated raiders. Otherwise sit down and stop being an entitled brat1 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I mean in the case of relequen its 1k extra stam. So it’s still a great set without that and if you wanna go the extra mile then great it amounts to something. Stam DPS at least is running mostly bloodthirsty so you just sacrifice one for robust if you need to. It seems like a good trade off to me. And I think the rest of the perfected sets/weapons are a similar trade off.0 -
dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭One of the big draws for ESO was the best gear didnt require years of grinding and practice to get. sadly that's no longer the case.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.0 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »If you can’t complete the hardest content you don’t need the best gear. Average gear is plenty good for average difficulty content.
I wouldn't call vet cloudrest average content. It's very hard to find groups for it because it's very difficult and you don't get anything different from doing it +0 even though even that is far harder than normal cloudrest, normal being a joke.
+0 gives you a perfected weapon
+1 gives a perfected weapon and a piece of perfected gear
+2/+3 for perfected jewelry on top of the perfected gear and weapon
Relequin is best paired with a heavy armor set so all you need to run is the +1
Siroria is best paired with other LA sets, so you can farm it on +1s also and still get use from the weapons
Galenwe same thing, +1 farming
It’s hardly asking for HM farming
Good to know, I was told you had to do +3 to get perfect armor.0 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VioletVience wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »99% of the player base will never have BiS gear and can never hope to get it.
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Cause 99% of the player base don't want to understand ESO combat system and game mechanics. This players love do nothing fot BiS gear.
There are many great players in the game, and they dont have such gears.
Because non craglorn progression takes a lot of time a try for months.
it is never play friendly, sometimes, real life issues limited them not the mechanics , Zos knows and those gears just created for big guild tho.
Here’s a hint: DLC trials are DESIGNED to be DIFFICULT
Casual players aren’t supposed to be able to clear it. They’re not supposed to be getting the best gear in the game just by logging in and having it handed to them.
Devote more time, hone skills, actively seek out other dedicated raiders. Otherwise sit down and stop being an entitled brat
Its not a skill issue for many players.2
