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PvP Crying Sorcs = another Mag DK Nerf, Wings... Really?
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jarydf✭✭✭✭Threads like this damage pvp in this game. Just raises anger in the mostly pve community that pvp is meaning that they are going to get nerfed or changed because some bs in pvp land.
This thread is a particularly bad example because the change to wings is not a thing yet. Plus you single out another class and call them names generally offending people unrelated.
I would not be surprised if this post was created by a nightblade to distract from calls to nerf cloak. See what I did there?
Please dont post pvp nerf threads. They just make the game worse for everyone.3 -
Sanguinor2✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭thankyourat wrote: »
I just use armor master/spinner/willpower/ skoria. For BGs I switch out armor master for BTB. I actually use skoria because it can't be reflected. you would have to completely redesign magblade as a class to give them a fighting chance against wings. It would need a few hard hitting abilities like curse that goes past reflect to actually be competitive against a mag DK but if cripple and strife was not reflectable it might be able to manage. at this point though wings would only reflect clench, snipe, frags, and spectral bow making it an almost useles ability besides the snare removal. The 50% reduction change allows it to still be really strong against range builds but it also gives range builds the opportunity to try to actually push through wings. It seems like a very balanced change. It reminds me of the major evasion change. The buff is not as strong as it use to be but it's still a very strong buff against aoe builds.
Its not that I think that the new wings will be weak, it depends on quite a few factors, largely what will be considered ranged for them, they could actually be a big buff if they reduce the Damage of everything ranged by 50% which I doubt for obvious reasons but you get it.
I dont want to loose the reflect because its one of the very few Things left of the dks of old and I would love to find away that allows wings to Keep reflect, stay relevant and not place any class in a Situation like current magblades.
Offtopic: You regulary hit 35k Damage projectiles on a warden with shimmering Shield running with the 50% battle spirit Damage reduction? Because thats what you Need Minimum since About every warden will have that Health or more with minor toughness. If the cap gets reduced by battle spirit you still Need to hit for 17.5k with a single projectile. Saying that because there has been other People thinking the Damage cap of shimmer is a counterplay method but it really is not except for a snipe gank with asylum bow.Politeness is respecting others.
Courage is doing what is fair.
Modesty is speaking of oneself without vanity.
Self control is keeping calm even when anger rises.
Sincerity is expressing oneself without concealing ones thoughts.
Honor is keeping ones word.0 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I've posted the following several times over the last couple of years because it never stops being relevant:
ZOS could update Sorc so that rolling one instantly killed the PLAYER, and players would still say Sorc was OP and needed a nerf.
The class has been so devastated, strip-mined of what made it fun, and yet it's still not enough."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle2 -
oxygen_thief✭✭✭✭✭
✭Threads like this damage pvp in this game. Just raises anger in the mostly pve community that pvp is meaning that they are going to get nerfed or changed because some bs in pvp land.
thread like this comes from ignorant people or trolls. zos has a battle spirit to adjust skills in pvp so there is no reason at all to nerf wings because of pvp.2 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Problem with battle spirit is if you put every adjustment in it's tables the processing time goes up making server lag even worse.4 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »I've posted the following several times over the last couple of years because it never stops being relevant:
ZOS could update Sorc so that rolling one instantly killed the PLAYER, and players would still say Sorc was OP and needed a nerf.
The class has been so devastated, strip-mined of what made it fun, and yet it's still not enough.
It's all because Sorcerer used to be a demigod years ago.
Also, the shields stacking creates an illusion that Sorcerer is invulnerable.Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭MasterSpatula wrote: »I've posted the following several times over the last couple of years because it never stops being relevant:
ZOS could update Sorc so that rolling one instantly killed the PLAYER, and players would still say Sorc was OP and needed a nerf.
The class has been so devastated, strip-mined of what made it fun, and yet it's still not enough.
I like being a Sorcerer in almost every game I use, but Sorcerers are definitely not easy to play in ESO. JMHO though.2 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This has nothing to do with magsorcs or magblades, this is all [edit] whining, and because they are majority of population ZOS of course tends to keep them happy. "Nerf" of snipe doesn't really matter here, snipe will receive smaller charge time so it will be easy to weave and easier to spam it more effectively.
[edited for non-constructive/baiting comment]Edited by ZOS_RogerJ on April 12, 2019 9:44PM1 -
JumpmanLane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »You know calling someone a bowtard really shows intelligence.
Some people are bowtards tho. A guy literally lethal arrowed, poison injected me over and over 1v1 in MELEE range on top of a Keep. When his health bar got low I leaped. I’m pretty sure that guy thinks wings are op. I’m also SOMEWHAT sure he stole the kill from me by killing himself lmao.1 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭JumpmanLane wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »You know calling someone a *** really shows intelligence.
Some people are *** tho. A guy literally lethal arrowed, poison injected me over and over 1v1 in MELEE range on top of a Keep. When his health bar got low I leaped. I’m pretty sure that guy thinks wings are op. I’m also SOMEWHAT sure he stole the kill from me by killing himself lmao.
It's because there are no other damage dealing abilities in that build.
Bars are like:
2H: Siphoning strikes, Vigor, Executioner, Rapids, Rally.
Bow: Merciless resolve, Poison injection, Killer's blade (2 executes on same button to don't care about bar when you may leech a kill), Snipe, Cloak.
Night mothers/Hundings/Molag kena/Vampire lvl4. Obviously meeting with DK and especially mDK in melee is a death-sentence.0 -
JumpmanLane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »JumpmanLane wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »You know calling someone a *** really shows intelligence.
Some people are *** tho. A guy literally lethal arrowed, poison injected me over and over 1v1 in MELEE range on top of a Keep. When his health bar got low I leaped. I’m pretty sure that guy thinks wings are op. I’m also SOMEWHAT sure he stole the kill from me by killing himself lmao.
It's because there are no other damage dealing abilities in that build.
Bars are like:
2H: Siphoning strikes, Vigor, Executioner, Rapids, Rally.
Bow: Merciless resolve, Poison injection, Killer's blade (2 executes on same button to don't care about bar when you may leech a kill), Snipe, Cloak.
Night mothers/Hundings/Molag kena/Vampire lvl4. Obviously meeting with DK and especially mDK in melee is a death-sentence.
Well he was edging over to jump off the Keep. Only reason I leaped him. PLUS the guy sniped me once while I killed some panicked healbot. Oh well. Glad wings were up lol.1 -
lucky_Sage✭✭✭✭✭SaintSubwayy wrote: »
agreed...seen the video of 4 petsrocs with Maw of the infernal on top in BGs...disgusting af to play against..
pets are way to hard to kill, especially if the get shields form the sorc, or healed.
furthermore the game does not support a hardtarget...which makes it impossible to focus the dmg on the sorc, since youll land skill son the pets or ppl standing inbetween...but the hardtarget problem is a whole other problem, which also is need of improvement in PVE, since hitboxes from bosses can collide / move into each other, making taunting a 50/50 sometimes, which is unnessecary.
I just use there pets for a burning embers healDC PC NA
Magdk - main
Stamcro - alt
AD PS4 NA -retired (PC runs way better to play on console)
magdk
magblade
stamplar
magden
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Jamdarius✭✭✭✭✭You forgot about free flames of oblivion (if I recall we just had to slot it so that fireball was going pew pew every few seconds) and same for free whip power lash.Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »What happened? Did a DK reflect a light attack and not die to the cookie cutter Sorc combo that 80% of the players in Cyrodil run when they aren't stacking sheilds and kiting away?
It seems every other change to the PvP community has something to do with ZOS pampering to these "elite sorcerers" who seem to have an issue anytime they lose a fight,, and I guess they should have an issue since they have almost every advantage in the game already
Sorcs get Curse and Mages Wrath for their damage stack, after Ruin Cage of course... and will be behind 2 sheilds (maybe you can nerf shield breaker again!) probably, hiding behind pets which always seem to be in the way even when your target locked on the Sorc himself,: but who cares because with their massive Magicka pool, unlimited regen they will likely just streak all the way across the Cyrodil the first time they are hit.
or course healing with every attack..
Hey but we can still make a lame ass tank with our Mag DK's since that seems to be the only thing we are supposed to make right? No Execute, the biggest attack is Flame Lash which was essentially ruined when you changed off balance immunity and made the skill utterly unreliable not to mention it's absurdly slow to begin with.
As someone who has mained a Mag DK since day 1, and remembers when there was only like 2 in all of Cyrodil (and still stuck with it)
this is disgusting
So many I can'r remember them all!!
1) Off Balance Immunity killed Flame Lash for the few light armor high DPS Mag DK's out there
2) Standard of Might caps defile at a weak 30%, easily overcome by the massive healing everyone has
3) Heavy Attack Damage nerfed, Molten Armaments
4) Igneous Sheild made worthless
5) Dark Elves lose Flame Damage buff (this was for Mag Dk's.... not Fire Sorcs, lol)
6) Dragon Leap is terrible to target and half the time "misses" even though you land on them... absurd
7) Magma Armor is essentially worthless in PvP, can't remember the last time I saw anyone use it.
----that's enough I am sure there is more....Edited by Jamdarius on April 13, 2019 8:12AM0 -
TrinityBreaker✭✭✭✭✭When was FoO free? Because I don't think that was ever the case.Ebonheart for life.
Xbox NA
I am Dog Star.
Khajiit Stam Sorc - Ji'saad Ranajiradh AR 30
Khajiit Mag DK - Kesjhad
Khajiit Magblade - Ji'sava Ak'nir
Fat Khajiit Stamplar - Dro'haniAk'nir - AR 36
Khajiit Stam Dk - Diego Ri'jhad - AR 49
Khajiit Magplar - Dro'nara Ak'nir
Khajiit StamBlade - Ri'artharr Ak'nir
Fat Khajiit Stamden - Dro'hani Warbreaker
Argonian Stam DK - Tiberius Demetros
Khajiit Stamplar - Diëgo Ri'jhad
Fat Khajiit Stam DK - Drö'hani Ak'nir/Dances-With-Alkosh
Khajiit Magden - Arctic Mayhem0 -
Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »What happened? Did a DK reflect a light attack and not die to the cookie cutter Sorc combo that 80% of the players in Cyrodil run when they aren't stacking sheilds and kiting away?
It seems every other change to the PvP community has something to do with ZOS pampering to these "elite sorcerers" who seem to have an issue anytime they lose a fight,, and I guess they should have an issue since they have almost every advantage in the game already
Sorcs get Curse and Mages Wrath for their damage stack, after Ruin Cage of course... and will be behind 2 sheilds (maybe you can nerf shield breaker again!) probably, hiding behind pets which always seem to be in the way even when your target locked on the Sorc himself,: but who cares because with their massive Magicka pool, unlimited regen they will likely just streak all the way across the Cyrodil the first time they are hit.
or course healing with every attack..
Hey but we can still make a lame ass tank with our Mag DK's since that seems to be the only thing we are supposed to make right? No Execute, the biggest attack is Flame Lash which was essentially ruined when you changed off balance immunity and made the skill utterly unreliable not to mention it's absurdly slow to begin with.
As someone who has mained a Mag DK since day 1, and remembers when there was only like 2 in all of Cyrodil (and still stuck with it)
this is disgusting
So many I can'r remember them all!!
1) Off Balance Immunity killed Flame Lash for the few light armor high DPS Mag DK's out there
2) Standard of Might caps defile at a weak 30%, easily overcome by the massive healing everyone has
3) Heavy Attack Damage nerfed, Molten Armaments
4) Igneous Sheild made worthless
5) Dark Elves lose Flame Damage buff (this was for Mag Dk's.... not Fire Sorcs, lol)
6) Dragon Leap is terrible to target and half the time "misses" even though you land on them... absurd
7) Magma Armor is essentially worthless in PvP, can't remember the last time I saw anyone use it.
----that's enough I am sure there is more....
what a joke? dragonleap give mega shield and it cost nothing.
you cry about magdk wings ? i'm playing magblade and when i fight magdk spam wings it's so terrible , the change of wings will stay the same thing , it will reduce every attacks of magblade.
igneous shield is worthless ??? what a joke .. major vitality and you cry ?
magdk got all , dot /burst / heal / control / nice ult / 1 damage buff for group / reflect and immune to any snare/root0 -
Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »What happened? Did a DK reflect a light attack and not die to the cookie cutter Sorc combo that 80% of the players in Cyrodil run when they aren't stacking sheilds and kiting away?
It seems every other change to the PvP community has something to do with ZOS pampering to these "elite sorcerers" who seem to have an issue anytime they lose a fight,, and I guess they should have an issue since they have almost every advantage in the game already
Sorcs get Curse and Mages Wrath for their damage stack, after Ruin Cage of course... and will be behind 2 sheilds (maybe you can nerf shield breaker again!) probably, hiding behind pets which always seem to be in the way even when your target locked on the Sorc himself,: but who cares because with their massive Magicka pool, unlimited regen they will likely just streak all the way across the Cyrodil the first time they are hit.
or course healing with every attack..
Hey but we can still make a lame ass tank with our Mag DK's since that seems to be the only thing we are supposed to make right? No Execute, the biggest attack is Flame Lash which was essentially ruined when you changed off balance immunity and made the skill utterly unreliable not to mention it's absurdly slow to begin with.
As someone who has mained a Mag DK since day 1, and remembers when there was only like 2 in all of Cyrodil (and still stuck with it)
this is disgusting
So many I can'r remember them all!!
1) Off Balance Immunity killed Flame Lash for the few light armor high DPS Mag DK's out there
2) Standard of Might caps defile at a weak 30%, easily overcome by the massive healing everyone has
3) Heavy Attack Damage nerfed, Molten Armaments
4) Igneous Sheild made worthless
5) Dark Elves lose Flame Damage buff (this was for Mag Dk's.... not Fire Sorcs, lol)
6) Dragon Leap is terrible to target and half the time "misses" even though you land on them... absurd
7) Magma Armor is essentially worthless in PvP, can't remember the last time I saw anyone use it.
----that's enough I am sure there is more....
what a joke? dragonleap give mega shield and it cost nothing.
you cry about magdk wings ? i'm playing magblade and when i fight magdk spam wings it's so terrible , the change of wings will stay the same thing , it will reduce every attacks of magblade.
igneous shield is worthless ??? what a joke .. major mending for 6 second and you cry ?
magdk got all , dot /burst / heal / control / nice ult / 1 damage buff for group / reflect and immune to any snare/root
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Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »What happened? Did a DK reflect a light attack and not die to the cookie cutter Sorc combo that 80% of the players in Cyrodil run when they aren't stacking sheilds and kiting away?
It seems every other change to the PvP community has something to do with ZOS pampering to these "elite sorcerers" who seem to have an issue anytime they lose a fight,, and I guess they should have an issue since they have almost every advantage in the game already
Sorcs get Curse and Mages Wrath for their damage stack, after Ruin Cage of course... and will be behind 2 sheilds (maybe you can nerf shield breaker again!) probably, hiding behind pets which always seem to be in the way even when your target locked on the Sorc himself,: but who cares because with their massive Magicka pool, unlimited regen they will likely just streak all the way across the Cyrodil the first time they are hit.
or course healing with every attack..
Hey but we can still make a lame ass tank with our Mag DK's since that seems to be the only thing we are supposed to make right? No Execute, the biggest attack is Flame Lash which was essentially ruined when you changed off balance immunity and made the skill utterly unreliable not to mention it's absurdly slow to begin with.
As someone who has mained a Mag DK since day 1, and remembers when there was only like 2 in all of Cyrodil (and still stuck with it)
this is disgusting
So many I can'r remember them all!!
1) Off Balance Immunity killed Flame Lash for the few light armor high DPS Mag DK's out there
2) Standard of Might caps defile at a weak 30%, easily overcome by the massive healing everyone has
3) Heavy Attack Damage nerfed, Molten Armaments
4) Igneous Sheild made worthless
5) Dark Elves lose Flame Damage buff (this was for Mag Dk's.... not Fire Sorcs, lol)
6) Dragon Leap is terrible to target and half the time "misses" even though you land on them... absurd
7) Magma Armor is essentially worthless in PvP, can't remember the last time I saw anyone use it.
----that's enough I am sure there is more....
what a joke? dragonleap give mega shield and it cost nothing.
you cry about magdk wings ? i'm playing magblade and when i fight magdk spam wings it's so terrible , the change of wings will stay the same thing , it will reduce every attacks of magblade.
igneous shield is worthless ??? what a joke .. major mending for 6 second and you cry ?
magdk got all , dot /burst / heal / control / nice ult / 1 damage buff for group / reflect and immune to any snare/root
and this burning ember LOOOL .... 3 second on target and it give you 20k heal0 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm still glad I've never slotted wings on my DK. Honestly never found it good enough, even after recent changes to take a skill slot. Does that mean I can
about the change, or...? 0 -
Karmanorway✭✭✭✭✭
✭DKs need buff
Problems with magsorc?
Trap beast > Silver leash > Ulti > Execute = done2 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »
Well, it'd have to replace a damage or heal for me. The actual main reason I don't run it is because of tactician CP skill (or w/e its called). When you reflect a projectile back and the person rolls with it, tactician sets you off balance. That CP skill used the right way can make a wings player sorry. I know I use it against wings users and purposely proc it...1 -
Illuvatarr✭✭✭✭✭Can tell you there are two class specs that are hard to play in eso and require the most skill. Mag sorc and brawler blade. Flame of Hades told me about brawler blade and I am playing one now. Hard as *** to play. He is right. Insanely good and performs well once you play one. Hint hint you don’t need cloak cheese to perform well and if anything it takes up an ability slot.
Of course these are the two top performing classes for the best players. Of course the whiners on the easier to play classes want to nerf them when they get beat.
What bothers me is people continue to ask for sorc nerfs. The class has been gutted. It is so hard to play, 70 percent or more of your attacks miss, it requires constant shield maintenance, it’s escape tools pale in comparison to what is available to keep melee range and still people whine.
I truly think people need to play one and see. Quit asking for nerfs.Edited by Illuvatarr on April 13, 2019 2:33PM0 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LMAO, “crying sorcs.” My sorc at least has a shot at killing DKs and kill-stealing DKs from melee players because SOME ranged sorc skills bypass wings. The issue is not the lack of counterplay that wings presents for magsorcs, but rather for magNBs. When faced with a wings spamming DK, the NB’s only option is to sit in stealth and do nothing (or, alternatively, give up on being a ranged damage class and rebuild the character as a healer). No other skill in the game hard-counters an entire playstyle the way wings does with ranged magNBs.
That being said, yeah, it’s pretty annoying that I can’t use my hardest hitting skill (frags) against DKs on my magsorc, when they are free to use every skill in their tool set to lock me in place and whip me to death through my single weak shield.1 -
siddique✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Sorcs have been nerfed to Oblivion. What more do you guys want? Should've seen what they were before all the nerfs.
Remember the original shields? The original Overload? The crystal frags?
Stop it already."Knee-jerk reactionist."
Lost Depths, 2015-2022.1 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Am I the only one here who is playing all classes?
Nope, you are not alone. I play all five (and soon to be six) classes equally. I only have one of each, so I occasionally will buy a race change token to switch things up.
If more people played every class and tried every form of each class, I think you’d see fewer irrational reactions to much-needed balance changes. I play a stamDK in BGs, and I know that wings is completely overpowered against certain classes. I also know that the claim “but wahhh, we have no mobility to reach ranged players!” is BS as well, because I manage to gap close with minimal issues all the time.
Edited by Aurielle on April 13, 2019 3:02PM4
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