PvP Crying Sorcs = another Mag DK Nerf, Wings... Really?

Sanguinor2

Trancestor wrote: »

shh you magdks are the biggest cry babies

You must´ve slept through murkmire, I still remember the 100+ pages qq of sorcs.

Fluke.Slywalker

I've dealt with all of the points you raised regarding recent nerfs to my main DK, not looking forward to the wings nerf but it will still be of some use, swings & roundabouts. It will basically now a shield.

The thing that killed my DK was the light armor passive, changing from cost reduction to reducing snare effectiveness. I can no longer sustain in PvP or PvE.

The only reason I'm still playing is because it's my main and I am determined to make it work.

Ratzkifal

Can't people just hold their breath with these threads for three more days? Then PTS starts and we get lots of balance changes to classes. Then everyone is allowed to complain again. But what purpose does it serve to yell now when ZOS already said that they'll rebalance it all?

Chilly-McFreeze

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Trancestor wrote: »

shh you magdks are the biggest cry babies

You must´ve slept through murkmire, I still remember the 100+ pages qq of sorcs.

Then how do you feel about a 1s cast time on your current wings?

Sanguinor2

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Then how do you feel about a 1s cast time on your current wings?

Same as I did About cast time for shields.
Still doesnt Change the fact that with somewhat recent changes sorc has qqued more than dk.

Rex-Umbra

Mnb vs mdk of equal skill dk will win 100% Mnb healing gutted and all their skills thrown back in their face.

Edziu

Morgul667

Drama much?

I love how you make it a sorc thing

Seems fairly objecrive

TheBonesXXX

Wings are going to get turned into a set like Blinding Flash (Blessed) if they haven't already.

WeerW3ir

I have a much better idea for the wings problem. Leave the wings as it be. But make them only reflect 1-2 shot. And make a bit more costlier. Everybody gets what he want.

ATomiX96

GIVE ME MY ROCK PAPER SCISSORS SYSTEM BACK, 50% DAMAGE MITIGATION FROM ALL RANGED DAMAGE SOURCES (including force pulse as well which previously went through wings btw.) DOESNT CUT IT.
1 BUTTON INVULNERABILITY IS FAIR

D0RID0RI240

Ill trade cloak on my magblade for 50 percent damage mitigation on ranged abilities and snare immunity 100/100 times. PTR is out in a few days, ffs test *** before complaining.

tgrippa

Someone cries because they want nerfs, another cries because they are nerfed.

The circle of life continues and the salt keeps flowing.

Pass some over here so I may season my popcorn.

vamp_emily

hmmm.. you think NBs are the biggest babies? L2Read the forum.

NBs do to much damage..... waaaaa!
Nerf cloak..... waaaaa!
NBs is the only class that can reset a fight when they want... waaaa!
Nerf Snipe because NBs use it.... waaaaaa!
Nerf ambush....... Waaaaaaa!
Nerf Grim Focus... Waaaa!
NBs have all the best skills..... waaaaa!
NBs are the most salty players.... waaa!
I hate NBs .... waaa!

I'm sure I missed a few. I've never seen a NB cry as much as other classes.

OwnerOfSuccuby

WeerW3ir wrote: »

I have a much better idea for the wings problem. Leave the wings as it be. But make them only reflect 1-2 shot. And make a bit more costlier. Everybody gets what he want.

Not everybody. Just make invis last 2-4 time less and cost much than. The same for strick and pets to sorc.

OwnerOfSuccuby

D0RID0RI240 wrote: »

Ill trade cloak on my magblade for 50 percent damage mitigation on ranged abilities and snare immunity 100/100 times. PTR is out in a few days, ffs test *** before complaining.

We never have protection from all ranged damage. Only projectiles. I do not use projectiles for example and have no problem with mag dk wings for example. Why not to do the same? Not enough game exp?

Haashhtaag

It’s not really a magsorc specific complaint if we’re all being honest with ourselves. It legit counters a whole playstyle

Haashhtaag

vamp_emily wrote: »

hmmm.. you think NBs are the biggest babies? L2Read the forum.

NBs do to much damage..... waaaaa!
Nerf cloak..... waaaaa!
NBs is the only class that can reset a fight when they want... waaaa!
Nerf Snipe because NBs use it.... waaaaaa!
Nerf ambush....... Waaaaaaa!
Nerf Grim Focus... Waaaa!
NBs have all the best skills..... waaaaa!
NBs are the most salty players.... waaa!
I hate NBs .... waaa!

I'm sure I missed a few. I've never seen a NB cry as much as other classes.

What do they really have to cry about stamblades are one of top pvp and pve class. Magblade are one of top pve class but does need some help open world and pvp.

Universe

A well deserved change to Reflective Scale & its morphs.
This ability in its current state is way OP against ranged.
Please try it out on PTS next week before complaining

Browiseth

grrrrr i'm upset my dragon lad can't be a flappy boy i need a target to get angry at

JamilaRaj

dem0n1k wrote: »

TBH I have only seen Magicka NBs complaining about wings on the forums recently... but sure.. #nerfSorc !! woo woo !

You can never see magicka NB complain about anything, because magicka NB is perma cloaked and invisible.

Kikke

Now I'l tell you guys what you told us: Adapt!

david_m_18b16_ESO

1) its mostly NB that cryied about wings and well, for some build it just totaly counter NB.

2) I wouldn't call it a straight nerf since in many situation it will be bether then the old version. Yeah its sad it's not as iconic as it used to be. Its only a straight nerf in 1 vs 1.

OwnerOfSuccuby

I hope nb will be balanced the same way soon with invisiability, and sorc with strick. To overpovered. Need to be balanced !

If return 4 projectiles is o everpovered - to be immortal is even more ov erpovered. Impossible to see and kill > return 4 projectiles. Just wait.

ESO_Nightingale

Every class has specific people listing grievances. That's fine. I am one of the (if not) most vocal people talking about Magden's issues. I'm sorry that you're getting one of your cool skills reworked. But stop scapegoating on magsorc. Or anyone for that matter. You know why? wings seriously hurts projectile gameplay. if your build is based around projectiles say even a bowblade. all someone needs to do to counter it is throw up wings. i'm not for snipe being the way it is fyi.

The buff changing to a big percentage decrease to all projectile damage for a couple of seconds may even be better for 1vX because there's no limit to the projectiles from what we have seen. although that's been subject to change. Warden's Shimmering Shield is also pretty powerful and may even need a nerf on the major heroism duration, however it lets through stuns and negative effects and is tied to a "durability system" if projectiles hit hard enough it's a bit of counterplay. EVEN STILL it's really strong and it might even be changed next patch too as it's pretty closely tied to DK Wings. All i'd ask is for in return at the moment is more work done on winter's embrace's underperforming morphs to rework them into functional and interesting frost damage skills for magden. So-far your class seems to be getting an interesting and functional rework to molten whip as far as i can see which is more than what warden's gotten in the past. I'm looking at you arctic blast.

Chilly-McFreeze

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Then how do you feel about a 1s cast time on your current wings?

Same as I did About cast time for shields.
Still doesnt Change the fact that with somewhat recent changes sorc has qqued more than dk.

Well, as far as I remember sorc (read: everyone that used a shield) qq started when the changes hit the pts, not half a month early without even seeing the rest of the patch notes.

But all jokes aside. This patch seems to be a big turn around for many skills and classes (or st least I hope so). Let’s wait and see what more is in stock for DKs. If they *** up in the notes, then start to complain and I’m all on your side.
But seeing half a dozend threads filled with salty tears, pushed by the same 4-5 dks, before we even know ***, before any testing could even happen, quickly turns an otherwise reasonable debate into something that honestly seems like qq indeed. And the scapegoating in the OP + our succubus owning saltknight really make me grab cheese and enjoy the whine.

Kuramas9tails

dem0n1k wrote: »

TBH I have only seen Magicka NBs complaining about wings on the forums recently... but sure.. #nerfSorc !! woo woo !

@dem0n1k I complain about wings as a Mageblade...but not on the forum. I just go "welp, not fighting that" and move along. I believe every build should have a weakness and strength over another and my weakness are wings on DKs so whatever. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Should not change wings.

david_m_18b16_ESO

OwnerOfSuccuby wrote: »

I hope nb will be balanced the same way soon with invisiability, and sorc with strick. To overpovered. Need to be balanced !

If return 4 projectiles is o everpovered - to be immortal is even more ov erpovered. Impossible to see and kill > return 4 projectiles. Just wait.

Streak got nerfed so hard that nobody use it anymore outside of nods farming.

But I do agree that invis should get the streak treatment and get its cost increased by twice every cast also. If infitnite escape is OP for sorc I can understand it could be the same for NB.

jaws343

OwnerOfSuccuby wrote: »

Canned_Apples wrote: »

I don't see why Sorcs would cry when Magblades are the only class that's completely disabled by wings- but they have stealth and teleport, so they're in no place to complain.
The only thing Sorcs can't do against wings is pop Crystal Fragments, everything else is fine.

I even don't bother with sorcs in cyrodiil, because I know they'll just ward- streak- streak- ward- heal- heal. or spam dark deal, streak to regen, then repeat. -and the ones that don't are usually running 3 proc sets + bleeds.

There is no body completely disabled. You can use some thing other then projectiles. Or use crushing shock to brake through. But you do not. So you can but just not do.

It is your fault not DK's

Lol. Ok, yeah. Let me pause the fight so that I can switch my spammable to crushing shock every time I face a DK. Good one.

OwnerOfSuccuby

jaws343 wrote: »

OwnerOfSuccuby wrote: »

Canned_Apples wrote: »

I don't see why Sorcs would cry when Magblades are the only class that's completely disabled by wings- but they have stealth and teleport, so they're in no place to complain.
The only thing Sorcs can't do against wings is pop Crystal Fragments, everything else is fine.

I even don't bother with sorcs in cyrodiil, because I know they'll just ward- streak- streak- ward- heal- heal. or spam dark deal, streak to regen, then repeat. -and the ones that don't are usually running 3 proc sets + bleeds.

There is no body completely disabled. You can use some thing other then projectiles. Or use crushing shock to brake through. But you do not. So you can but just not do.

It is your fault not DK's

Lol. Ok, yeah. Let me pause the fight so that I can switch my spammable to crushing shock every time I face a DK. Good one.

Why do you cry? If you want dk even do not see you. To overpovered skills on nb, even do not use it. But all range we have is this. Balanced?