Why is it so hard to find people to run veteran dlc dungeons?
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Mitrenga✭✭✭✭✭In my opinion, a small part of the problem is related with the dungeon difficulty. The biggest problem is, the number of the players who are thinking it's fine to be carried through the dungeons are increasing day by day. Last couple weeks, I have seen many players running like headless chickens in the vet DLC dungeons, not even asking what the mechanic is. IF people just check some youtube videos or written guides that can be easily found through a simple google search before trying a specific dungeon, or simply just ask what needs to be done before the fights, everything would be smoother and easier.
For example, White boss in the vMHK and the Indrik fight in the vMoS can be very challenging for a clueless group. So, the group thinks the dungeon is very hard and people starts to leave. The truth is, you are not prepared.1 -
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✭✭OwnerOfSuccuby wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »OwnerOfSuccuby wrote: »Guys. It is not already even funny. Hm if fung layer is possible to make even by 2 people. Without 2 in group. Stop saying it is hard or impossible. Just learn to play better.
Just out of curiosity - if your DD (assuming tank + dd group here) is chained by Ulfnor's ghost, what do you do as a tank?
And I think OP's doing some progress towards his goal. ^^
Maelstrom bow with poison enchant on infused + endless hail + storm fist. 10 k dps per second to range target. For example? And go as far with boss as i only can. Or ultimate and res for example?
I did guess you're running some damage on the back bar, yes. Mm-m, true, I can see how it would work.Edited by John_Falstaff on April 12, 2019 12:21PM0 -
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✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »As someone who would like to run vet DLC dungeons - including PGUging them - but doesn't, I can explain...
- Because those dungeons are too hard for average players like me (big design error imho, but ZOS choice)
- Because I don't want to be a pita for players potentially better than me
- Because I don't want to face hate whispers and harassment if I don't carry my own weight in a PUG.
I think that explains it all, for me as well as for the big crowd of "average players" like me.
Well... the crowd that runs the Vets are a bit elitest after all.
I mean, if you've put in the time to actually build up amazing skills and equipment, you're better than the rest of us.
Of course, you're also probably not juggling family, business, work, an actual social life offline and a satisfied spouse/partner, so there's that...
This is the weakest thing I see people in MMOs say. "If youre good at the game you have no life."
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OwnerOfSuccuby✭✭✭John_Falstaff wrote: »OwnerOfSuccuby wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »OwnerOfSuccuby wrote: »Guys. It is not already even funny. Hm if fung layer is possible to make even by 2 people. Without 2 in group. Stop saying it is hard or impossible. Just learn to play better.
Just out of curiosity - if your DD (assuming tank + dd group here) is chained by Ulfnor's ghost, what do you do as a tank?
And I think OP's doing some progress towards his goal. ^^
Maelstrom bow with poison enchant on infused + endless hail + storm fist. 10 k dps per second to range target. For example? And go as far with boss as i only can. Or ultimate and res for example?
I did guess you're running some damage on the back bar, yes. Mm-m, true, I can see how it would work.
Only for low dps random partys. Had a problem when old wold dunguans fliwers can not be break free- stun it and kill with arx corinium helmet and bow. Becouse we had stupid dd who do not kill it. They say that they stun it ... so i do all work myself.
I start to play that combo after party with 2 dd with 2-4 k dps each. It was so painfull, that i start to think on tank how to kill dunguan bosses by myself.
But get good knowledge when experementing.
Now do all 3 in 1(no death, hm, fast run all in one run) untill last 2 dunguans.
Was there 4-5 times and 1-2 in hm max. But can not pass it yet on hm. Nit hm vet is simpl. Mouse part is very hard. Different skills to remember - hard for me. Looks all the same
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✭✭@OwnerOfSuccuby , I know, right? ^^ I tanked vFV HM until the skeevaton phase and it's quite manageable, but remembering skeevaton skill bars takes a good while for me, and it's not helping that I'm mostly not given the same role twice in a row. One go I have to adopt to dd skill bar, next go I already have different layout, still don't have it all on my fingertips and fumble with skills while I need to react fast.
It seems to be a trend with latest dungeons that non-HM is surprisingly easy compared to HM.0 -
Curtdogg47✭✭✭✭You have to communicate with people in vet dlc dungeons and sadly I have encountered enough *** in pug groups I just don’t do them anymore!1 -
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✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »As someone who would like to run vet DLC dungeons - including PGUging them - but doesn't, I can explain...
- Because those dungeons are too hard for average players like me (big design error imho, but ZOS choice)
- Because I don't want to be a pita for players potentially better than me
- Because I don't want to face hate whispers and harassment if I don't carry my own weight in a PUG.
I think that explains it all, for me as well as for the big crowd of "average players" like me.
Well... the crowd that runs the Vets are a bit elitest after all.
I mean, if you've put in the time to actually build up amazing skills and equipment, you're better than the rest of us.
Of course, you're also probably not juggling family, business, work, an actual social life offline and a satisfied spouse/partner, so there's that...
I'm sure that what that all means.
I'm not sure why anyone thinks that you need to be in vet DLCs to find elitists. You can find someone to look down on you for enjoying something they don't or playing differently right here in the forums.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »As someone who would like to run vet DLC dungeons - including PGUging them - but doesn't, I can explain...
- Because those dungeons are too hard for average players like me (big design error imho, but ZOS choice)
- Because I don't want to be a pita for players potentially better than me
- Because I don't want to face hate whispers and harassment if I don't carry my own weight in a PUG.
I think that explains it all, for me as well as for the big crowd of "average players" like me.
-They're not too hard, but you should expect to put in more time and effort.
- Everyone that does these started new. Some may have forgotten, many have not.
- I've never seen one.
On the average I find the vet DLCs to be friendlier than other 4 person content. I've seen fewer vote to kicks, less nerd raging (by a wide margin), and more communication on average. If I'm going to PUG, I'd rather PUG them than normals or vet 2s.
If however you don't wish to roll the dice on a PUG, because they don't always work out, you're more than welcome to look me up if you want to run a few.
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SoLooney✭✭✭✭✭Not to expose you but what is your cp and your dps? If your dps and cp is low, its gonna be hard to find good players to take you through vet DLC and their hard modes, cause at that point, they're just carrying you and no one likes to give free carries to randoms
Low dps is frustrating to not only your tank, but the rest of the group. Gonna be cliche and repeat it, good dps makes things easy. The longer you have to deal with mechanics, the more chances for deaths and the wipes
Good players usually have their own group to complete the vet dlc dungeons for skins, personalities, etc, they're not very open to taking randoms who will potentially compromise the no deaths, speed runs, and hard modes
My advice is to join a guild and find like minded folks. The worm personality is beastly I agree. Good luckEdited by SoLooney on April 12, 2019 2:01PM0 -
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✭✭Just last night, I tanked VMoS Group Finder pug. The group was phenomenal. This doesn’t happen very often.
Before that run was banished cells2 GF pug. Cp 10, cp 48, cp 300 ish. 5 minutes to clean the trash...we port to FG1. I spent 35 minutes getting these guys through FG 1. That should be a 10 minute dungeon tops.
My friends think I’m nuts for pugging so much still. It often doesn’t end well. Need someone to run with ya, shoot me a friend request. I’ll try to help.0 -
ralphylauren✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »As someone who would like to run vet DLC dungeons - including PGUging them - but doesn't, I can explain...
- Because those dungeons are too hard for average players like me (big design error imho, but ZOS choice)
- Because I don't want to be a pita for players potentially better than me
- Because I don't want to face hate whispers and harassment if I don't carry my own weight in a PUG.
I think that explains it all, for me as well as for the big crowd of "average players" like me.
Well... the crowd that runs the Vets are a bit elitest after all.
I mean, if you've put in the time to actually build up amazing skills and equipment, you're better than the rest of us.
Of course, you're also probably not juggling family, business, work, an actual social life offline and a satisfied spouse/partner, so there's that...
I am I have all dlc skins and personality’s with two kids irl (1 years old and a 5 year old) work full time and still actively play the game. Me and my group are currently progressing Vbrp and the irony of it is I met them in a vfl pug. I also wanted the worm Wizard personality and just went in and puged. I met our healer and other dps on 1 run and we met our tank the next day. That was literally 3 months ago now we have all the skins and personality’s.
On top of all that they are the most coolest and nicest people I have ever met online period. After we clear all 4 man content we are planning on making a guild and chasing the trial skins. To the OP: just find 3 other like minded players and you guys will get it done.
P.s. ZOS is in a tuff situation because from what I see the game is either to hard for most players but for the top players it’s easy. There isn’t really a middle ground and nerfing dlc dungeons isn’t the answer either because many of us put in a lot of time and effort to clear that content.
Edit: OP if you are on PS4 na I don’t mind helping you get your personalityEdited by ralphylauren on April 12, 2019 3:54PM1 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭Imperial_Voice wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »As someone who would like to run vet DLC dungeons - including PGUging them - but doesn't, I can explain...
- Because those dungeons are too hard for average players like me (big design error imho, but ZOS choice)
- Because I don't want to be a pita for players potentially better than me
- Because I don't want to face hate whispers and harassment if I don't carry my own weight in a PUG.
I think that explains it all, for me as well as for the big crowd of "average players" like me.
Well... the crowd that runs the Vets are a bit elitest after all.
I mean, if you've put in the time to actually build up amazing skills and equipment, you're better than the rest of us.
Of course, you're also probably not juggling family, business, work, an actual social life offline and a satisfied spouse/partner, so there's that...
This is the weakest thing I see people in MMOs say. "If youre good at the game you have no life."
So explain how, if you do have a life, you are able to put 100's of ours in to a game to get to the levels that our veterans obviously have?
Do they ignore just about everything else in their lives?
As I said, I don't have that much going on in my life (being older with my kids grown), but I still have 12 hour days of work, shopping, appointments, meetings, friends, family, pets and on and on.
Where do people who can spend all this time on the game find it?
I'm not saying that anyone who has that kind of dedication is a loser at all. Not at all! But I can barely find the time to go through a level a day w/out spending 2 or 3 hours at the game.
I just can't imagine where folks find the time! I wish I had it, or the skills or the abilities, but I just can't.
I love ESO, but, I will never be top tier 'cause I just don't have the time, or, frankly the motivation, to go without sleep!
It's a game, after all, not life.
My point is that, many of the top tier are elitist prigs and absolutely impossible thinking they're so much better than everyone else.
It's just a game. It doesn't matter. If it's important to you, great. Good on you, but, it is just a game.
There are other games. There are other activities. There is a whole Life out there.0 -
snarkomatic✭✭✭✭So explain how, if you do have a life, you are able to put 100's of ours in to a game to get to the levels that our veterans obviously have?
Do they ignore just about everything else in their lives?
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I'm not saying that anyone who has that kind of dedication is a loser at all. Not at all! But I can barely find the time to go through a level a day w/out spending 2 or 3 hours at the game.
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It's a game, after all, not life.
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It's just a game. It doesn't matter. If it's important to you, great. Good on you, but, it is just a game.
There are other games. There are other activities. There is a whole Life out there.
You're not calling people who are good at the game a loser, you're just saying they have no life and terrible priorities. Okay.
I'm a mom with a significant other, a full-time job, multiple pets, plenty of housework, a gym membership, other hobbies, etc. It's called responsible time management. Making the most of every part of your day. Intelligent use of the time you spend in-game helps a lot towards reducing the overall time necessary to accomplish anything.
I run vet DLC and vet trials all the time. I'm lucky to know a lot of other skilled "casuals" who love to make the most of our in-game time, because that time is limited. We understand one another, and we have a lot of fun doing it. There is really no reason to act elitist in your largely misplaced anti-elitism.4 -
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Why do "It's just a game!"-argument people drooling gaze upon hardmode achievements and cosmetics then? Also the pure ignorance you guys display when get called out? MMOs are known for high time consumption and yet you're here, whining about not having time playing it. Wrong genre for you.Imperial_Voice wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »As someone who would like to run vet DLC dungeons - including PGUging them - but doesn't, I can explain...
- Because those dungeons are too hard for average players like me (big design error imho, but ZOS choice)
- Because I don't want to be a pita for players potentially better than me
- Because I don't want to face hate whispers and harassment if I don't carry my own weight in a PUG.
I think that explains it all, for me as well as for the big crowd of "average players" like me.
Well... the crowd that runs the Vets are a bit elitest after all.
I mean, if you've put in the time to actually build up amazing skills and equipment, you're better than the rest of us.
Of course, you're also probably not juggling family, business, work, an actual social life offline and a satisfied spouse/partner, so there's that...
This is the weakest thing I see people in MMOs say. "If youre good at the game you have no life."
So explain how, if you do have a life, you are able to put 100's of ours in to a game to get to the levels that our veterans obviously have?
Do they ignore just about everything else in their lives?
As I said, I don't have that much going on in my life (being older with my kids grown), but I still have 12 hour days of work, shopping, appointments, meetings, friends, family, pets and on and on.
Where do people who can spend all this time on the game find it?
I'm not saying that anyone who has that kind of dedication is a loser at all. Not at all! But I can barely find the time to go through a level a day w/out spending 2 or 3 hours at the game.
I just can't imagine where folks find the time! I wish I had it, or the skills or the abilities, but I just can't.
I love ESO, but, I will never be top tier 'cause I just don't have the time, or, frankly the motivation, to go without sleep!
It's a game, after all, not life.
My point is that, many of the top tier are elitist prigs and absolutely impossible thinking they're so much better than everyone else.
It's just a game. It doesn't matter. If it's important to you, great. Good on you, but, it is just a game.
There are other games. There are other activities. There is a whole Life out there.
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✭✭In my opinion, a small part of the problem is related with the dungeon difficulty. The biggest problem is, the number of the players who are thinking it's fine to be carried through the dungeons are increasing day by day. Last couple weeks, I have seen many players running like headless chickens in the vet DLC dungeons, not even asking what the mechanic is. IF people just check some youtube videos or written guides that can be easily found through a simple google search before trying a specific dungeon, or simply just ask what needs to be done before the fights, everything would be smoother and easier.
For example, White boss in the vMHK and the Indrik fight in the vMoS can be very challenging for a clueless group. So, the group thinks the dungeon is very hard and people starts to leave. The truth is, you are not prepared.
This is it exactly. This guy gets it.
Going into dlc content without properly preparing and bringing the best gear you can access is like entering a stock car race on a tricycle. How are you (the hypothetical "you") going to show up in your tricycle gear with no preparation and then get mad when you don't even place in the race? DLC content is progression content for the overwhelming majority of players, and you have to actually progress to complete it, meaning you may have to resign yourself to trying multiple times to get through it. You may have to quit on the first boss, watch some videos, refine your gear, work on your dps a little, and try again. Too many players want all of the rewards right now, with very little work on their part. Learn to appreciate a challenge. The high that comes after completing challenging content is absolutely worth every bit of the frustration.
I'm only a mediocre gamer (new to MMOs) at best, and even I can complete skin achievements without being carried, but only because I'm willing to work hard for it in the time that I have available. If I can do this, then there is absolutely no reason most of you seasoned gamers can't do the same or better.PC/Xbox NA
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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭Facefister wrote: »
Why do "It's just a game!"-argument people drooling gaze upon hardmode achievements and cosmetics then? Also the pure ignorance you guys display when get called out? MMOs are known for high time consumption and yet you're here, whining about not having time playing it. Wrong genre for you.Imperial_Voice wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »As someone who would like to run vet DLC dungeons - including PGUging them - but doesn't, I can explain...
- Because those dungeons are too hard for average players like me (big design error imho, but ZOS choice)
- Because I don't want to be a pita for players potentially better than me
- Because I don't want to face hate whispers and harassment if I don't carry my own weight in a PUG.
I think that explains it all, for me as well as for the big crowd of "average players" like me.
Well... the crowd that runs the Vets are a bit elitest after all.
I mean, if you've put in the time to actually build up amazing skills and equipment, you're better than the rest of us.
Of course, you're also probably not juggling family, business, work, an actual social life offline and a satisfied spouse/partner, so there's that...
This is the weakest thing I see people in MMOs say. "If youre good at the game you have no life."
So explain how, if you do have a life, you are able to put 100's of ours in to a game to get to the levels that our veterans obviously have?
Do they ignore just about everything else in their lives?
As I said, I don't have that much going on in my life (being older with my kids grown), but I still have 12 hour days of work, shopping, appointments, meetings, friends, family, pets and on and on.
Where do people who can spend all this time on the game find it?
I'm not saying that anyone who has that kind of dedication is a loser at all. Not at all! But I can barely find the time to go through a level a day w/out spending 2 or 3 hours at the game.
I just can't imagine where folks find the time! I wish I had it, or the skills or the abilities, but I just can't.
I love ESO, but, I will never be top tier 'cause I just don't have the time, or, frankly the motivation, to go without sleep!
It's a game, after all, not life.
My point is that, many of the top tier are elitist prigs and absolutely impossible thinking they're so much better than everyone else.
It's just a game. It doesn't matter. If it's important to you, great. Good on you, but, it is just a game.
There are other games. There are other activities. There is a whole Life out there.
Wow are you a tool.
How dare you.
You people spend all your time complaining about "casuals" and yet refuse to tell us where and when you find the time and what you have to give up (or simply not do) to find the time to put in 100's of hours to play the MMO.
Basically you are saying that, those of us who don't have the time in our lives to make an MMO the focus of our very existence should just quit playing because we are not as "dedicated" as you and therefore are not as entitled to play.
I realize that this may very well get me banned for saying, but, if you are not willing to actually quantify your own time-management skills that allow you this sort of "dedication", you are nothing but an insulting troll.1 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭snarkomatic wrote: »So explain how, if you do have a life, you are able to put 100's of ours in to a game to get to the levels that our veterans obviously have?
Do they ignore just about everything else in their lives?
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I'm not saying that anyone who has that kind of dedication is a loser at all. Not at all! But I can barely find the time to go through a level a day w/out spending 2 or 3 hours at the game.
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It's a game, after all, not life.
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It's just a game. It doesn't matter. If it's important to you, great. Good on you, but, it is just a game.
There are other games. There are other activities. There is a whole Life out there.
You're not calling people who are good at the game a loser, you're just saying they have no life and terrible priorities. Okay.
I'm a mom with a significant other, a full-time job, multiple pets, plenty of housework, a gym membership, other hobbies, etc. It's called responsible time management. Making the most of every part of your day. Intelligent use of the time you spend in-game helps a lot towards reducing the overall time necessary to accomplish anything.
I run vet DLC and vet trials all the time. I'm lucky to know a lot of other skilled "casuals" who love to make the most of our in-game time, because that time is limited. We understand one another, and we have a lot of fun doing it. There is really no reason to act elitist in your largely misplaced anti-elitism.
I absolutely agree with you.
I too spend plenty of time playing.
I'm not interested in Vet dungeons, PvP or any of that stuff, but I enjoy myself.
My question is, now that you're high level with plenty of CP and, obviously, plenty of gear, how long did it take you to get there?
Did you get there in a week like so many of these folks expect by dedicating your whole life to an MMO?
You see, this is the reason why I stopped playing ESO and all MMO's before, because no one ever considers that this is not a life. This is a game.
You make fun of people that don't dedicate themselves.
You make fun of people who aren't as skilled as you.
You make fun of people who play the game just for fun, who aren't in it for achievements and leader-boards, and on and on and on.
It's fine if you want that our of your games, but there are just as many out there that don't.
And do you spend time on crafting? On exploring? On conversations and dialogue? Or do you spend all you time running dungeons and trials and all that.
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✭✭snarkomatic wrote: »So explain how, if you do have a life, you are able to put 100's of ours in to a game to get to the levels that our veterans obviously have?
Do they ignore just about everything else in their lives?
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I'm not saying that anyone who has that kind of dedication is a loser at all. Not at all! But I can barely find the time to go through a level a day w/out spending 2 or 3 hours at the game.
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It's a game, after all, not life.
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It's just a game. It doesn't matter. If it's important to you, great. Good on you, but, it is just a game.
There are other games. There are other activities. There is a whole Life out there.
You're not calling people who are good at the game a loser, you're just saying they have no life and terrible priorities. Okay.
I'm a mom with a significant other, a full-time job, multiple pets, plenty of housework, a gym membership, other hobbies, etc. It's called responsible time management. Making the most of every part of your day. Intelligent use of the time you spend in-game helps a lot towards reducing the overall time necessary to accomplish anything.
I run vet DLC and vet trials all the time. I'm lucky to know a lot of other skilled "casuals" who love to make the most of our in-game time, because that time is limited. We understand one another, and we have a lot of fun doing it. There is really no reason to act elitist in your largely misplaced anti-elitism.
I absolutely agree with you.
I too spend plenty of time playing.
I'm not interested in Vet dungeons, PvP or any of that stuff, but I enjoy myself.
My question is, now that you're high level with plenty of CP and, obviously, plenty of gear, how long did it take you to get there?
Did you get there in a week like so many of these folks expect by dedicating your whole life to an MMO?
You see, this is the reason why I stopped playing ESO and all MMO's before, because no one ever considers that this is not a life. This is a game.
You make fun of people that don't dedicate themselves.
You make fun of people who aren't as skilled as you.
You make fun of people who play the game just for fun, who aren't in it for achievements and leader-boards, and on and on and on.
It's fine if you want that our of your games, but there are just as many out there that don't.
And do you spend time on crafting? On exploring? On conversations and dialogue? Or do you spend all you time running dungeons and trials and all that.
Ciao.
Being able to run vet DLCs is a function of time and effort. I run them regularly and I play with a crowd that is mostly over 40, most are older than that. We have kids, grandkids, careers, take vacations, attend seminars, take kids to or watch their games, have other hobbies, have aging parents, etc. Handle this the same way with anything else in life, plan around it.
None of what you mentioned is a requirement or presents a barrier to this content. You do not need to neglect life, be an elitist, or be a top tier player. You need a group. You need to be able to assess what went wrong and find a solution. If you're fortunate you'll find a group that you enjoy playing with and enjoys this content.
Many people have offered to help. I'm not sure who you think is making fun of who, but this conversation demonstrates clearly that it is not one-sided.
Many of the comments have been directed at those that expressed apprehension about doing this content or otherwise having issues finding a group to do it.
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✭✭✭✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »a in game voice channel would help immensely.
That's a two way street. It would make communication easier. But having to listen to other players run their mouths while playing (especially obnoxious ones who like to hear themselves talk) can ruin your game faster than anything. So to be honest, I'd probably just have it turned off most of the time anyway.
Voice chat can be good for guilds or among friends - but I don't really think they are worthwhile for pugs.
I used to PUG skirmishes on LOTRO with in-game chat. It was fine. But skirmishes didn't have mechanics more difficult than identifying which of several places you had to defend were receiving the main attack.
Oh God, don't remind me of LOTRO. I remember having to sit through 30 minute sermons on how to do dungeons and raids because people wanted to babble on about mechanics forever before the fight started. Then of course the wipe would ensue as soon as the fight began because people didn't listen or understand correctly (or maybe they fell asleep). Usually the best way to learn is to simply do it and I find that voice chat is often a poor substitute for simple experience. Though I'll concede their are exceptions.
But for me - voice chat is a net-negative generally. One annoying person on the mic can literally ruin the game for someone - especially if they are expected to stay on the channel and listen to them. That's why I feel games should steer away from the need to have voice chat. It's too much of a risk among strangers. For friends or people who are familiar with one another it's fine.
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✭✭I would run more vets instead of a once / twice a month. If they were easier to get people interested into doing them with others.
Deaf? "Nah fam, GG, need discord 100%"
What your only pulling 53k dps on stam warden, templar and sorc? Nah, we good... get to 70k and we'll put ya in our reserve group.
So each their own. I run my vet groups 1-2 times a month and happy with results, spend the rest in PvP and crafting.Edited by StormeReigns on April 12, 2019 7:03PM0 -
FuriousStar✭✭✭Willing to bet a lot of it has to do with players not having the content, or simply not having plus. Believe it or not, that is a thing in ESO I run into quite a bit. Even still now, I run into players that can't run ncr cause they don't have Summerset.
If you can find a decent guild that likes to run dungeons, you are good to go. 100% better as a guild run than a pug run anyways.0 -
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I am not insulting you, I am telling you that MMOs are known for requiring much time and some parts of its content even more. I am telling you that, if you can't bring up said time, the MMO genre isn't something for you. I couldn't care less about your time management.Wow are you a tool.
How dare you.
You people spend all your time complaining about "casuals" and yet refuse to tell us where and when you find the time and what you have to give up (or simply not do) to find the time to put in 100's of hours to play the MMO.
Basically you are saying that, those of us who don't have the time in our lives to make an MMO the focus of our very existence should just quit playing because we are not as "dedicated" as you and therefore are not as entitled to play.
I realize that this may very well get me banned for saying, but, if you are not willing to actually quantify your own time-management skills that allow you this sort of "dedication", you are nothing but an insulting troll.
Analogy for you:
You're a member of a gym. You can only afford one hour of gym-time but yet you want to lift the same weights as the guy who spends 18 hours per week in said gym. You ask "why I can't lift?" and the 18 hours guy tells you that you have to spend more time in the gym, but you tell him that you can't afford more than one hour per week.
You sound THAT stupid.Edited by Facefister on April 12, 2019 8:59PM1 -
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✭Not to expose you but what is your cp and your dps? If your dps and cp is low, its gonna be hard to find good players to take you through vet DLC and their hard modes, cause at that point, they're just carrying you and no one likes to give free carries to randoms
Low dps is frustrating to not only your tank, but the rest of the group. Gonna be cliche and repeat it, good dps makes things easy. The longer you have to deal with mechanics, the more chances for deaths and the wipes
Good players usually have their own group to complete the vet dlc dungeons for skins, personalities, etc, they're not very open to taking randoms who will potentially compromise the no deaths, speed runs, and hard modes
My advice is to join a guild and find like minded folks. The worm personality is beastly I agree. Good luck
my cp is almost 518, and atm i can do about 17k by myself on a 3m skeleton parse, and about 23k-25k with support.
if i had the ideal gear (sororia, maelstrom instead of julianos, BSW) i'd probably be parsing a tad higher, but atm my dps output isn't really the issue.Edited by Matthew_Galvanus on April 12, 2019 9:05PM0 -
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✭✭Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Not to expose you but what is your cp and your dps? If your dps and cp is low, its gonna be hard to find good players to take you through vet DLC and their hard modes, cause at that point, they're just carrying you and no one likes to give free carries to randoms
Low dps is frustrating to not only your tank, but the rest of the group. Gonna be cliche and repeat it, good dps makes things easy. The longer you have to deal with mechanics, the more chances for deaths and the wipes
Good players usually have their own group to complete the vet dlc dungeons for skins, personalities, etc, they're not very open to taking randoms who will potentially compromise the no deaths, speed runs, and hard modes
My advice is to join a guild and find like minded folks. The worm personality is beastly I agree. Good luck
my cp is almost 518, and atm i can do about 17k by myself on a 3m skeleton parse, and about 23k-25k with support.
if i had the ideal gear (sororia, maelstrom instead of julianos, BSW) i'd probably be parsing a tad higher, but atm my dps output isn't really the issue.
While the content is somewhat doable with that dps, you and your group will definitely struggle, hard. Much harder than you need to. Julianos and BSW are both great sets, and you should be able hit higher numbers with them. A good guild can help you with that and could help you progress the skills you'll need to complete that content. Plus, there are likely to be tanks in there that can do the content with you once you're able to hit DLC ready numbers. Just think of your character's dps progression as another mini game and it'll feel less tedious.PC/Xbox NA
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jarydf✭✭✭✭I don't run vet dlc or trials because i find learning mechanics to the level required boring and lowers my enjoyment of the game.1
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✭✭✭✭✭Facefister wrote: »I am not insulting you, I am telling you that MMOs are known for requiring much time and some parts of its content even more. I am telling you that, if you can't bring up said time, the MMO genre isn't something for you. I couldn't care less about your time management.
Analogy for you:
You're a member of a gym. You can only afford one hour of gym-time but yet you want to lift the same weights as the guy who spends 18 hours per week in said gym. You ask "why I can't lift?" and the 18 hours guy tells you that you have to spend more time in the gym, but you tell him that you can't afford more than one hour per week.
You sound THAT stupid.
Analogy for you (yes, you, "facefister") - "nice" nickname btw...
You're at the gym doing your workout. At the level of someone who practices 18h/week. Someone who practices 2h/week comes to you and says "nice ! You're achieving something here. I admire that, unfortunately I can only train 2 hours a week". And you jump at this person's throat, shouting "how dare you tell me that I have no life outside the gym ? You know I have everything, success, love, family, kids, responsibilities, money, job, friends, hobbies, and more ! I'm just good at managing my time ! And if you can't do the same, this place isn't for you, just get the f' out and leave me alone, you worthless piece of nothing".
Well, how does that sound ? (hint : it sounds like YOU).
The gym's for everyone, all levels are welcome. All pay the same subscription fee. Same for MMO's.
And not everything is a matter of time management. Days have only 24 hours. Some people need more sleep than others. Many hardcore players obviously lie when it comes to their real life situation. It's maths. That's their choice and I don't mind, but it doesn't give them the right to jump at other people's throat when they're referring to their lack of playing time.
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Imryll✭✭✭✭✭Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »From what i see they aren't really popular in part due to the difficulity
Completion rate are low
here is the % of ps4 player who got the psn trophies for the vet dlc
complete botn SotH =0.5%
Complete both Db= 0.2%
Complete both HotR=0.1%
Complete both Wrathsone =0.1%
They really are giving Half of the year dlc to that percentage of the plyer base
Edited to ad completion %
That post is delusional on so many levels it's almost laughable.
How so? Are the statistics inaccurate? I would expect platform trophy stats to be rather straight-forward information, if publicly available.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »From what i see they aren't really popular in part due to the difficulity
Completion rate are low
here is the % of ps4 player who got the psn trophies for the vet dlc
complete botn SotH =0.5%
Complete both Db= 0.2%
Complete both HotR=0.1%
Complete both Wrathsone =0.1%
They really are giving Half of the year dlc to that percentage of the plyer base
Edited to ad completion %
That post is delusional on so many levels it's almost laughable.
How so? Are the statistics inaccurate? I would expect platform trophy stats to be rather straight-forward information, if publicly available.
They're not wrong per se, but as usual with statistics, you have to add some brainwork to them if you want to deal honestly with information. Those stats provided by the Playstation platform include countless accounts with just a few hours of log in time, probably free accounts created on discovery free week-ends, and such.
An honest completion rate of any instance in the game should only include players who've actually tried said instance, and those stats aren't based on that.
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Imryll✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »From what i see they aren't really popular in part due to the difficulity
Completion rate are low
here is the % of ps4 player who got the psn trophies for the vet dlc
complete botn SotH =0.5%
Complete both Db= 0.2%
Complete both HotR=0.1%
Complete both Wrathsone =0.1%
They really are giving Half of the year dlc to that percentage of the plyer base
Edited to ad completion %
That post is delusional on so many levels it's almost laughable.
How so? Are the statistics inaccurate? I would expect platform trophy stats to be rather straight-forward information, if publicly available.
They're not wrong per se, but as usual with statistics, you have to add some brainwork to them if you want to deal honestly with information. Those stats provided by the Playstation platform include countless accounts with just a few hours of log in time, probably free accounts created on discovery free week-ends, and such.
An honest completion rate of any instance in the game should only include players who've actually tried said instance, and those stats aren't based on that.
I can agree that folks who've only played a few hours shouldn't be included, but it seems to me that to gauge what percentage of the player base benefits from their development, you also need to include the many players who play regularly but consider such content "not for them."0 -
snarkomatic✭✭✭✭snarkomatic wrote: »So explain how, if you do have a life, you are able to put 100's of ours in to a game to get to the levels that our veterans obviously have?
Do they ignore just about everything else in their lives?
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I'm not saying that anyone who has that kind of dedication is a loser at all. Not at all! But I can barely find the time to go through a level a day w/out spending 2 or 3 hours at the game.
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It's a game, after all, not life.
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It's just a game. It doesn't matter. If it's important to you, great. Good on you, but, it is just a game.
There are other games. There are other activities. There is a whole Life out there.
You're not calling people who are good at the game a loser, you're just saying they have no life and terrible priorities. Okay.
I'm a mom with a significant other, a full-time job, multiple pets, plenty of housework, a gym membership, other hobbies, etc. It's called responsible time management. Making the most of every part of your day. Intelligent use of the time you spend in-game helps a lot towards reducing the overall time necessary to accomplish anything.
I run vet DLC and vet trials all the time. I'm lucky to know a lot of other skilled "casuals" who love to make the most of our in-game time, because that time is limited. We understand one another, and we have a lot of fun doing it. There is really no reason to act elitist in your largely misplaced anti-elitism.
I absolutely agree with you.
I too spend plenty of time playing.
I'm not interested in Vet dungeons, PvP or any of that stuff, but I enjoy myself.
My question is, now that you're high level with plenty of CP and, obviously, plenty of gear, how long did it take you to get there?
Did you get there in a week like so many of these folks expect by dedicating your whole life to an MMO?
You see, this is the reason why I stopped playing ESO and all MMO's before, because no one ever considers that this is not a life. This is a game.
You make fun of people that don't dedicate themselves.
You make fun of people who aren't as skilled as you.
You make fun of people who play the game just for fun, who aren't in it for achievements and leader-boards, and on and on and on.
It's fine if you want that our of your games, but there are just as many out there that don't.
And do you spend time on crafting? On exploring? On conversations and dialogue? Or do you spend all you time running dungeons and trials and all that.
Ciao.
You're being kind of rude to me just for saying I accomplished something with limited time, and it's not at all called for. However, in the spirit of good discourse, I will answer you anyway.
It probably took me about a month to get to CP, maybe less, and a week or so after that to get to 160. (This is "real time" mind you, not /played time, which I find a difficult metric to contextualize.) I have been working on progression ever since. I took a three month break around 500cp because of real-life issues, am now over 600 after coming back a month ago.
The gear, I don't know how long it took me. Some pieces I'm still hunting for or working on transmuting. Others are golded in the BiS trait. I don't play the guild-trader game, so I have to farm mats usually or buy a few at a time, because most of my gold goes to guild raffles or alts' bag space, plus crafted potions when I'm feeling lazy.
I spend usually 1-3hrs a night playing, more if it's a progression night or if I don't need to work the next morning. Sometimes I am running trials or dungeons, sometimes I am completing zone quests or achievement hunting, sometimes I'm leveling alts, sometimes I'm going with friends into vDSA totally blind just for the fun of it.
Sometimes, I'm doing all of the above. It depends on what I'm in the mood for and what our guild has scheduled that night.
We have cleared all the Craglorn trials on vet, as well as a few others, a couple of them on hard mode. I have completed all vet dungeons, most all on hard mode.
You want to cling to the illusion that you have to be spending 24hrs a day no-lifing the game in order to see and clear difficult endgame stuff, and that's just not the case. I don't expect to hit leaderboards or get world-first anything, and the truth is, I don't have to do either of those things to see and conquer everything the game has to offer. As others have said, you only need to find a group that fits your personality and play style, and be willing to commit yourself to trying something that is not supposed to be easy. Sometimes you get it after that tenth or twelfth wipe; sometimes you call it, go back to the drawing board, and try again another night.
This is what MMO progression* people enjoy. This is why we play these games. To try, and try, and try again, until you find the solution, until you hit that sweet spot of luck and skill and reflex and memorization, until the whole team comes together and accomplishes something that was really friggin' hard. The feeling when you do that together is a really good feeling to people who enjoy the process.
Try to be more Buddhist about it. Don't compare yourself to other people; only compare yourself to yourself. Progress is achieved when you are better than you were the day before. That's where satisfaction lies.
*added on edit after reflection.Edited by snarkomatic on April 12, 2019 10:48PM0