Siohwenoeht wrote: »

I imagine that it's due to how you chars are instanced in the game. There are separate instances even for overland so your first log may put you in one, then the second log a different instance.

I don’t think is like this anymore I do my crafting dailies on 15 characters and I do them all in one zone best crafting stations with a horse trainer next to daily turn in and I see the same people afk/banking on all 15 characters all of my guys are EP if that changes anything.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

I imagine that it's due to how you chars are instanced in the game. There are separate instances even for overland so your first log may put you in one, then the second log a different instance.

I don’t think is like this anymore I do my crafting dailies on 15 characters and I do them all in one zone best crafting stations with a horse trainer next to daily turn in and I see the same people afk/banking on all 15 characters all of my guys are EP if that changes anything.

Not needing to go back to the character selection screen would still save time, though I would think that having everyone in Alinor, for example, would also save restoration time if it was coded for. But I could live with just skipping the load time for the character selection screen.

Use the loading screen times to do a quick 10 pull ups or 50 push ups.

Browiseth wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Because the doesn't work like that?

ok...

soooo...

what do you do when something doesn't work?

...

you fix/change it, right?

Only if you CAN fix something.
Changing something doesn't mean a fix is included, it just means you shifted the focus.

It's becoming the popular 'theory' by more players that the game engine needs to be rewritten for several reasons.

1. The game is accumulating kludge-fixes that don't work and play well with other parts of the engine.
2. Many kludges appear to be masks for issues rather than fixes.
3. The game engine is so 'last decade' in concept regarding the ability to use multiple cores and faster/better vid cards as many players move to computers (and arguably consoles) that are generations beyond the minimum specs that the game originally spec'd.
4. Poor server performance and longer lag in an age when so many players are on cable or fiber, with speeds of 100 to 300 Mbps speeds is getting pathetic.
5. And lastly, the communication between the game execs and the (paying or ftp) players in the forums is laughable, and worse in light of the 'We recognize the lack of communication is bad, We'll do better with communications' line trying to pander to people who don't want to be fooled anymore is getting to be beyond an issue with many.

Regarding the last point:
They can keep the game at the same minimum spec level, but better machines won't see a big improvement from better specs in line with newer games, so The Mothership had better come to grips with the fact that adding more DLCs and modules to an already outmoded game engine isn't/aren't going to keep players who come to the game with better specs, or graduate to better specs.

Those players are going to tire of the poor performance increasingly quickly, and move on to new games with better engines sooner.

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

The big question is what is going on when a character takes so long to log off. Is it due to stuff we could not bother doing if going straight to a different character?

I turned all my add-ons off, and moved the folder.

I abandoned all quests on all characters but the main quest.

Made no difference to log-in time or going through wayshrines.

What else are we in control of that we could do on our end to fix the issues?

twev wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

The big question is what is going on when a character takes so long to log off. Is it due to stuff we could not bother doing if going straight to a different character?

I turned all my add-ons off, and moved the folder.

I abandoned all quests on all characters but the main quest.

Made no difference to log-in time or going through wayshrines.

What else are we in control of that we could do on our end to fix the issues?

I don't think you understood my comment.

I said nothing about log-in time. I am talking about logging off. Changing characters requires logging off and then logging on to a new character. It takes quite a while to log off of a character and get to the character select screen. The advantage of what the OP is asking would be removing the logout time, but we don't actually know if that would be removed with the direct character swap.

My guess is that there would be an improvement by removing the trip to the login screen.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

From my modest 25+ years of mmo expirience this is like the second time i see such request. Whats the problem with log off and log in new toon ? Too lazzy ? Or to avoid loading screen ? Upgrade pc or ask zeni to improve loading screens. Dont put such silly requests like switching toons without even need to log in. If it was ok, all mmos will have it. I cant recall one. So ....

Then you haven't read many forums. I saw it in the Warcraft forum more than 6-8 years ago when I was playing there. Avoiding needless things, like landing on the character screen, is always worthwhile. Though it is not surprising at all that some still argue against it for absolutely no reason.

I can't upgrade my PS4 BTW. Nor can I get all the addons, but that is another problem. Get outside your ivory tower a bit.

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

I said nothing about log-in time. I am talking about logging off. Changing characters requires logging off and then logging on to a new character. It takes quite a while to log off of a character and get to the character select screen. The advantage of what the OP is asking would be removing the logout time, but we don't actually know if that would be removed with the direct character swap.

My guess is that there would be an improvement by removing the trip to the login screen.

Exactly. Things are inherently slowed down even if it is just to display the screen and sometimes that times out because you get distracted when you get there. I know some extra work is done to load that screen with all the details on it.

I would love to have other features integrated in to avoid the need to swap so much, like knowing what is needed for research on another character, but optimizing the swapping process, even if only a bit, would be much easier to achieve. The names are all present when we are on the screen before logging in. Keep them around instead of discarding them and things would just require a slight adjustment to the logout menu or a new menu choice just below it.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Then you haven't read many forums.

Oposite.
Pls link 2 other posts/any game/ outside this one.
Whats the reason to be able to swap ingame ? To save 2 clicks and 1/2 sec loading time ? Like cmoon.

I am not going to dig through old WoW forum posts just to prove it to you. You are not the brightest if you think people like wasting time.

And it is FAR MORE than 1/2 second. Perhaps the PC runs faster, but it is quite a bit more on the PS4.

tourerttrwb17_ESO wrote: »

I'd be just happy if it took as long as it takes now. Just skip actual selection of a different toon midway. Say, you pick what toon you want to switch to, start the process and alt+tab to watch youtube. 5 minutes later you alt tab again - and you are in game on the right toon. Now, however, i need to interrupt my youtube half way to pick what toon i need to load.

I agree. The character selection screen also times out far faster than the loaded character as well, making it much easier to miss the screen if you get distracted by your video.

Yeah, we may waste processing time by not sitting their waiting on the edge of our chairs, but they can work to fix the speed if they really think that is a problem.

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

This wouldn't even be an issue if the loading times weren't so ridiculous.

The "request character load" is what kills me. Could go to more than 30 secs sometimes.

Well, that if you have a SSD, if not, the loading screen itself is a nightmare too.

Nestor wrote: »

The delay in logging out is the save process behind the scenes, not loading the character select screen. So a direct log to another character won't save any time there.

How do you know it wouldn't save any time at all? They still have to load stuff for the character screen itself and that takes time.

Nestor wrote: »

Also, what about those times when you want to go to character select like to use a Race or Name Change Torken or Create or Delete a character.

Allow going to the character screen when desired. How often does that happen in reality though, compared to swapping characters? Think this through a bit.

Nestor wrote: »

Then, how do you propose to select another character if you are not at the Character Select screen? Only have two characters?

Give a list of characters you can swap/relogin to. It would be empty if you didn't have any. It would have 1 shown if you only had 1. This is not hard.

Browiseth wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Because the doesn't work like that?

ok...

soooo...

what do you do when something doesn't work?

...

you fix/change it, right?

no i look at the list of outstanding issues and prioritize them and this would be so hilariously low on a developers list it probbably would drop out the other side of the planet.