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Buff BOW damage builds :(
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Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Donnasnowheart_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Donnasnowheart_ESO wrote: »the stam sorc vid has me in tears literally using prey to boost the spider damage smh.
What is wrong with that? People are always asking for more class flavor. Also prey buffs the atro.
Please, its all the spiders and on top of it the build doesn't even showcase anything defining to stam sorc outside of a passive ability, already know that it buffs the atro thats not the point. The sad bit is that its being used to buff the spiders. This isn't a case of adding flavor its just another case of something being overlooked when implemented. Literally the spiders bite overtook rele for damage if you look at the parse after. I'm in tears over this because things like this is what could end up nerfing moves that have nothing to do with spiders especially given Zos track record when it comes to nerfs.
Pretty sure deadric pretty counts as an active ablity, you have to cast it for it to do anything. I actually brought this combo up in a previous thread. It is very obvious. Really doubt that ZOS overlooked it.
Also I am now confused at what you mean by " in tears". At first it read like you found it funny, in this post it reads like you will be sad by it. Which is it?
"Anything defining to stam sorc" is deadric prey a defining stam sorc ability no. In tears, have you never laughed at something that was sad and laughed about it because its logic is messed up?2 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Donnasnowheart_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Donnasnowheart_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Donnasnowheart_ESO wrote: »the stam sorc vid has me in tears literally using prey to boost the spider damage smh.
What is wrong with that? People are always asking for more class flavor. Also prey buffs the atro.
Please, its all the spiders and on top of it the build doesn't even showcase anything defining to stam sorc outside of a passive ability, already know that it buffs the atro thats not the point. The sad bit is that its being used to buff the spiders. This isn't a case of adding flavor its just another case of something being overlooked when implemented. Literally the spiders bite overtook rele for damage if you look at the parse after. I'm in tears over this because things like this is what could end up nerfing moves that have nothing to do with spiders especially given Zos track record when it comes to nerfs.
Pretty sure deadric pretty counts as an active ablity, you have to cast it for it to do anything. I actually brought this combo up in a previous thread. It is very obvious. Really doubt that ZOS overlooked it.
Also I am now confused at what you mean by " in tears". At first it read like you found it funny, in this post it reads like you will be sad by it. Which is it?
"Anything defining to stam sorc" is deadric prey a defining stam sorc ability no. In tears, have you never laughed at something that was sad and laughed about it because its logic is messed up?
What makes deadric prey not a Stam sorc skill? You seem to be just looking for any excuse to rag on good build.
And no, I don't laugh when I am sad. Like a normal person.
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Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Donnasnowheart_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Donnasnowheart_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Donnasnowheart_ESO wrote: »the stam sorc vid has me in tears literally using prey to boost the spider damage smh.
What is wrong with that? People are always asking for more class flavor. Also prey buffs the atro.
Please, its all the spiders and on top of it the build doesn't even showcase anything defining to stam sorc outside of a passive ability, already know that it buffs the atro thats not the point. The sad bit is that its being used to buff the spiders. This isn't a case of adding flavor its just another case of something being overlooked when implemented. Literally the spiders bite overtook rele for damage if you look at the parse after. I'm in tears over this because things like this is what could end up nerfing moves that have nothing to do with spiders especially given Zos track record when it comes to nerfs.
Pretty sure deadric pretty counts as an active ablity, you have to cast it for it to do anything. I actually brought this combo up in a previous thread. It is very obvious. Really doubt that ZOS overlooked it.
Also I am now confused at what you mean by " in tears". At first it read like you found it funny, in this post it reads like you will be sad by it. Which is it?
"Anything defining to stam sorc" is deadric prey a defining stam sorc ability no. In tears, have you never laughed at something that was sad and laughed about it because its logic is messed up?
What makes deadric prey not a Stam sorc skill? You seem to be just looking for any excuse to rag on good build.
And no, I don't laugh when I am sad. Like a normal person.
I give up your clearly going to drag this on and I have no intentions of doing so. daedric prey is a "Defining magicka pet sorc ability" always has been, the recent buffs to pets over buffed spiders so much that its worth using prey with them on a stam sorc. Spiders used to be a thing in the past and it was nerfed for a reason. No synergy skill should be the majority and in an actual trial your top dps number that you aren't even casting its bad design and in no way a good build.
Enjoy your Spider prey synergy build.
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✭✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Bow would will need to be buffed if when spiders get nerfed
Fixed that for ya, buddy. haha
I will be absolutely blown away if ZOS dosent beat these spiders with a nerf hammer very hard next patch. We are back to the early pet sorc days where the easiest rotation in the game pulls max DPS. I doubt it will last.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on April 8, 2019 5:57PM1 -
RandomKodiak✭✭✭✭✭@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO, @ccfeeling
T's Warband, Scavenging Demise, Velidreth, Blue Food, Redguard
with the redguard passive to weapon skills and the DK passive to poison Poison inject is only 925 and Acid Spray (for AoE spam) is only like 1400, Lethal is only 1240 or so. Volley is way cheap so only Caltrops costs anything. You can provide the 20% weapon and spell power for dungeon groups with Molten so your guildies or pugs don't have to waste potions. Spikes and built in spell resist make you a bit more durable than most stam builds for tough pulls. I can with a healer providing orbs and redguard regen spam acid spray at trash pulls in trials about 15 times before running low on stam and single target damage on bosses is only slightly less than other bow builds. Great build actually for heavy AoE dungeons and normal vet trials with big pulls, example-the massive pull fight HRC.
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RandomKodiak✭✭✭✭✭Also just hit this morning on my Bow Warden 42.3 still no VMA bow and still self buffed no spider or outside buffing/debuffing. Bow's are viable now because of T's Warband the set was flat out meant for bows. Get some Warband and play and figure out what works for you if you want to play an archer. I agree they are probably going to nerf spiders but even if they cut the damage in half it would still add at least 6k to a bow build and you have to have a tank or healer lose a slot to apply it so a ranged stam can use it. It takes coordination and a slot that most tanks/healers don't really have a free one to do as well as someone who can play a bow build effectively to do. As someone who has been maining bow I have heard all the grumbles and seen all the finger pointing and giggles since last August and understand why. I also have Vet clears in all Crag, MoL and AS with hard mode clears in AA, and SO. I pull my weight in trials with an average 12% and in big add pulls or group pulls like HRC can sometimes do nearly 20% of the fight because of massive AoE potential. This game until end game score pushing really is play the way you want, with the caveat of figure out how to make it work. Have fun all it is just a game
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✭✭Bow doesn't need a buff, if anything endless hail looks like it needs a nerf to me. Pretty much anytime I see someone posting a parse endless hail is always #1 by a large margin, and it's an aoe skill.
Just the fact that an aoe spell hits so hard in a single target rotation is an imbalance. Whether it's the maelstrom bow or the spell itself, it clearly is a mandatory ability for any stamina build and nothing is even close.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Wait a moment. Who determines the damage of a synergy -- the person who casts the skill or the one who grabs the synergy?
I thought it was the latter. But in that case spiders would fit any ranged build. Was I wrong?0 -
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✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »Wait a moment. Who determines the damage of a synergy -- the person who casts the skill or the one who grabs the synergy?
I thought it was the latter. But in that case spiders would fit any ranged build. Was I wrong?
It's whoever grabs the synergy, but it scales with stam significantly better than mag. Tested with my small group of friends and mag builds averaged about 1.5k dps from the synergy, where as stam grabbed 7-10k. This was done purely looking at synergy damage outside of a rotation or group buffs.
Legendary Archer of ValenwoodBosmer Dragon Knight Archer. XBox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Nightblade Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Sorcerer Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Warden Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Templar's are evil..1 -
Toc de Malsvi✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bow doesn't need a buff, if anything endless hail looks like it needs a nerf to me. Pretty much anytime I see someone posting a parse endless hail is always #1 by a large margin, and it's an aoe skill.
Just the fact that an aoe spell hits so hard in a single target rotation is an imbalance. Whether it's the maelstrom bow or the spell itself, it clearly is a mandatory ability for any stamina build and nothing is even close.
Well outside of the Shadow Silk bow could use a buff, I think the best way to administer that would be through the HawkEye passive by either adding additional stacks or tweaking the benefit the passive grants.
However I do agree that Endless Hail performs way to well, especially in conjunction with the VMA bow. In fact virtually all AOE dots perform ridiculously better than single target dots in ESO, although Endless Hail is the greatest offender.Legendary Archer of ValenwoodBosmer Dragon Knight Archer. XBox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Nightblade Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Sorcerer Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Warden Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Templar's are evil..2 -
MashmalloMan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »Wait a moment. Who determines the damage of a synergy -- the person who casts the skill or the one who grabs the synergy?
I thought it was the latter. But in that case spiders would fit any ranged build. Was I wrong?
The synergy scales like ultimate's do, based on highest max resource, crit and dmg. So mag DD shouldn't use spiders because they don't have the same physical penetration, mighty cp % dmg scaling, etc.
The initial skill is calculated like any other ability for the caster.1 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭bow damage is slow and weak, it does less than the other weapons.
it is true now and has allways been true in eso.
it "does" need a buff to damage output.0 -
Wavek✭✭✭
A bow build on a solo target dummy with no outside buffs can still go over 40k dps... that is plenty for anything in the game.2 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
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A bow build on a solo target dummy with no outside buffs can still go over 40k dps... that is plenty for anything in the game.
but that number is old, because most people can now do 60k plus with other weapons.
the bow cant.1 -
hedna123b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Bow would will need to be buffed if when spiders get nerfed
Fixed that for ya, buddy. haha
I will be absolutely blown away if ZOS dosent beat these spiders with a nerf hammer very hard next patch. We are back to the early pet sorc days where the easiest rotation in the game pulls max DPS. I doubt it will last.
As surprised as you were when they let NB be bis for a year?1 -
Tremors✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Bow would will need to be buffed if when spiders get nerfed
Fixed that for ya, buddy. haha
I will be absolutely blown away if ZOS dosent beat these spiders with a nerf hammer very hard next patch. We are back to the early pet sorc days where the easiest rotation in the game pulls max DPS. I doubt it will last.
As surprised as you were when they let NB be bis for a year?
I actually think it's almost 2 years. NB took over after the Stam DK meta right? (which didn't last long).
I've been on PC for over a year now and NB was meta well before lol. I'm pretty sure this is the longest standing meta. We bout to seeeeee a changeeeeeeeee. Sorc meta didn't even last this long.Passionfruit GM - PC NA
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hedna123b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Bow would will need to be buffed if when spiders get nerfed
Fixed that for ya, buddy. haha
I will be absolutely blown away if ZOS dosent beat these spiders with a nerf hammer very hard next patch. We are back to the early pet sorc days where the easiest rotation in the game pulls max DPS. I doubt it will last.
As surprised as you were when they let NB be bis for a year?
I actually think it's almost 2 years. NB took over after the Stam DK meta right? (which didn't last long).
I've been on PC for over a year now and NB was meta well before lol. I'm pretty sure this is the longest standing meta. We bout to seeeeee a changeeeeeeeee. Sorc meta didn't even last this long.
NB took over in CWC1 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Bow would will need to be buffed if when spiders get nerfed
Fixed that for ya, buddy. haha
I will be absolutely blown away if ZOS dosent beat these spiders with a nerf hammer very hard next patch. We are back to the early pet sorc days where the easiest rotation in the game pulls max DPS. I doubt it will last.
As surprised as you were when they let NB be bis for a year?
thats an exageration
nightblade is doing the same damage as the other classes.0 -
hedna123b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Bow would will need to be buffed if when spiders get nerfed
Fixed that for ya, buddy. haha
I will be absolutely blown away if ZOS dosent beat these spiders with a nerf hammer very hard next patch. We are back to the early pet sorc days where the easiest rotation in the game pulls max DPS. I doubt it will last.
As surprised as you were when they let NB be bis for a year?
thats an exageration
nightblade is doing the same damage as the other classes.
Can you give me the number of your supplier, because the stuff your smoking is potent.6 -
Tremors✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Bow would will need to be buffed if when spiders get nerfed
Fixed that for ya, buddy. haha
I will be absolutely blown away if ZOS dosent beat these spiders with a nerf hammer very hard next patch. We are back to the early pet sorc days where the easiest rotation in the game pulls max DPS. I doubt it will last.
As surprised as you were when they let NB be bis for a year?
I actually think it's almost 2 years. NB took over after the Stam DK meta right? (which didn't last long).
I've been on PC for over a year now and NB was meta well before lol. I'm pretty sure this is the longest standing meta. We bout to seeeeee a changeeeeeeeee. Sorc meta didn't even last this long.
NB took over in CWC
18mo it is lol and they'll continue until the start of June, so it'll end up being 20mo if not more.Passionfruit GM - PC NA
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✭✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Bow would will need to be buffed if when spiders get nerfed
Fixed that for ya, buddy. haha
I will be absolutely blown away if ZOS dosent beat these spiders with a nerf hammer very hard next patch. We are back to the early pet sorc days where the easiest rotation in the game pulls max DPS. I doubt it will last.
As surprised as you were when they let NB be bis for a year?
thats an exageration
nightblade is doing the same damage as the other classes.
Your a bit out of touch..2 -
MashmalloMan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Bow would will need to be buffed if when spiders get nerfed
Fixed that for ya, buddy. haha
I will be absolutely blown away if ZOS dosent beat these spiders with a nerf hammer very hard next patch. We are back to the early pet sorc days where the easiest rotation in the game pulls max DPS. I doubt it will last.
As surprised as you were when they let NB be bis for a year?
thats an exageration
nightblade is doing the same damage as the other classes.
Your a bit out of touch..3 -
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✭✭Bow builds are actually thriving harder than ever right now, if you have the right setup. Especially bow Warden can do really well, from what I've seen.
Well let’s be clear, a solid chunk of bow dps is spider synergy. Without that, they’d likely still be underwhelming.
A bow build on a solo target dummy with no outside buffs can still go over 40k dps... that is plenty for anything in the game.
Yea it’s enough to complete stuff, but no one wants a 40k build when 50k is obtainable by other setups.2013
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✭✭✭✭✭Bow builds are actually thriving harder than ever right now, if you have the right setup. Especially bow Warden can do really well, from what I've seen.
Well let’s be clear, a solid chunk of bow dps is spider synergy. Without that, they’d likely still be underwhelming.
A bow build on a solo target dummy with no outside buffs can still go over 40k dps... that is plenty for anything in the game.
Yea it’s enough to complete stuff, but no one wants a 40k build when 50k is obtainable by other setups.
Um... no. Can we stop acting like Bow/Bow isn't the best it's ever been. Has anyone actually tried parses themselves? They are in no way 25% behind in dps like 40k vs 50k. If anything its within 1-4% less dps as it should be.
I just went to the pts to do this. Show spoiler for more details:Obviously you should do more than 1 parse honestly my Bow/Bow parse had some higher than avg crits on the bigger skills, but bows are a ranged weapon. Why do they parse so similarly with DW, on top of it, we have the spider Synergy.
Even without the Spiders, bows are very much viable and don't need any buffs whatsoever. The sustain is easier because you don't need to cast beast and the rotation is easier. If I had someone providing major fracture I wouldn't even bother using Shalks for single target dps.
The only thing I switched between these 2 builds is Tzogvin's Warband for bow/bow to Advancing Yokeda for bow/dw.
Jewelry all infused WPD.
Tzogvin's Warband Bow Nirn Absorb Sta.
Advancing Yokeda Daggers Nirn Absorb Sta/Sharpened Poison
CP remained the same, putting the bow/dw build only 111 pen behind the bow/bow build. I figured this was fair considering the extra crit Advancing Yokeda has and there was no way to fix that.
My bow/bow parse within melee range of target, so don't say it was long shot passive.
Someone better than me could pull 50k+ dps for the both of them consistently.
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✭I did a comparison...they are close...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFHbuddEZss&list=PLVSzngPFSk5yOq6aoTqXHglrS7Hpav-3m&index=3&t=0s 3 -
cpuScientist✭✭✭✭✭
✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »I did a comparison...they are close...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFHbuddEZss&list=PLVSzngPFSk5yOq6aoTqXHglrS7Hpav-3m&index=3&t=0s
Why did you use warband in both setups? Advancing is what dualwield would use. So the difference would be higher. Not much but using dualwield war and is not fair for the comparison. I understand wanting to compare same set-up but that's not a realistic setup.0 -
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✭Good video and everything. Always good content. Just curious
Edited by cpuScientist on April 9, 2019 10:53AM0 -
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✭cpuScientist wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »I did a comparison...they are close...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFHbuddEZss&list=PLVSzngPFSk5yOq6aoTqXHglrS7Hpav-3m&index=3&t=0s
Why did you use warband in both setups? Advancing is what dualwield would use. So the difference would be higher. Not much but using dualwield war and is not fair for the comparison. I understand wanting to compare same set-up but that's not a realistic setup.
I did it to show the difference between DW and Bow, not the meta DW VS Meta Bow. So I used the same gear to compare playstyles.0 -
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✭✭Bow doesn't need a buff, if anything endless hail looks like it needs a nerf to me. Pretty much anytime I see someone posting a parse endless hail is always #1 by a large margin, and it's an aoe skill.
Just the fact that an aoe spell hits so hard in a single target rotation is an imbalance. Whether it's the maelstrom bow or the spell itself, it clearly is a mandatory ability for any stamina build and nothing is even close.
Hail would be around 12% of the whole parse for stamina. By comparison, on magicka parses, light attack can be 20%, sometimes up to 25% of whole damage. Using your logic... seems like we have to nerf light attacks for magicka into the ground, they're overperforming. ^^2 -
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✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »cpuScientist wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »I did a comparison...they are close...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFHbuddEZss&list=PLVSzngPFSk5yOq6aoTqXHglrS7Hpav-3m&index=3&t=0s
Why did you use warband in both setups? Advancing is what dualwield would use. So the difference would be higher. Not much but using dualwield war and is not fair for the comparison. I understand wanting to compare same set-up but that's not a realistic setup.
I did it to show the difference between DW and Bow, not the meta DW VS Meta Bow. So I used the same gear to compare playstyles.
I know that's why, but just saying that's not what it would be balanced around or how one would make their decision.
What do you get when you use meta DW for StamDen in that same scenario? Do you have a parse of that1