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Buff BOW damage builds :(

drakeos99
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Yet wanted to play as Ranger type build (Warden) and yet im forced to go into melee (when i wanted to play as ranged) so is it possible to see bow damage increase soon (Bring back Bow DPS Builds)
  • Wildbloom
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    Bow builds are actually thriving harder than ever right now, if you have the right setup. Especially bow Warden can do really well, from what I've seen.
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  • Draxys
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    Wildbloom wrote: »
    Bow builds are actually thriving harder than ever right now, if you have the right setup. Especially bow Warden can do really well, from what I've seen.

    Well let’s be clear, a solid chunk of bow dps is spider synergy. Without that, they’d likely still be underwhelming.
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  • dazee
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    Buff bow skills except endless hail. do something to endless hail to make people STOP needing bow 100% of the time to build a competetive stam dps.
    Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.
  • drakeos99
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    dazee wrote: »
    Buff bow skills except endless hail. do something to endless hail to make people STOP needing bow 100% of the time to build a competetive stam dps.

    Wardem are suppose to be ranged DPS (not jumping into melee and back out again so hence 100% bowden is better)
  • dazee
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    drakeos99 wrote: »
    dazee wrote: »
    Buff bow skills except endless hail. do something to endless hail to make people STOP needing bow 100% of the time to build a competetive stam dps.

    Wardem are suppose to be ranged DPS (not jumping into melee and back out again so hence 100% bowden is better)

    I mean needing bow on every dps using any other weapon. Make Bow/Bow viable but nerf endless hail so it stops being BIS on every NON bow/bow build.
    Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.
  • Deloth_Vyrr
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    Bow/Bow Stam Sorc has one of the highest parses recorded since Wrathstone launched.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tOg5dlh7ds
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  • ccfeeling
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    Bow Bow build is viable with updated setup .

    Liko explained the pro and con of Bow Bow build , you may take a look .

  • stevenyaub16_ESO
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    why lethal arrow over focused aim? all the parses I see poisoned only does 1k dps. Surely applying minor fracture is more worthwhile? especially in situations when there is no one who can provide it (which is alot of times unless you are in a perfectly balanced trial group)
  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    why lethal arrow over focused aim? all the parses I see poisoned only does 1k dps. Surely applying minor fracture is more worthwhile? especially in situations when there is no one who can provide it (which is alot of times unless you are in a perfectly balanced trial group)

    There is a set that ups the damage of poison skills by 10%. This one, https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:The_Morag_Tong. Obviously minor fracture can be provided by any Templar, in an organized group, it would be.
  • Juhasow
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    Wow I think there isnt more ironic time to ask for buffing the archers in PvE then right now.

    Here is the archer stamwarden btw @drakeos99 https://youtu.be/6FKuDFPt-Ew
    Edited by Juhasow on April 8, 2019 3:53AM
  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    Juhasow wrote: »
    Wow I think there isnt more ironic time to ask for buffing the archers in PvE then right now.

    Here is the archer stamwarden btw @drakeos99 https://youtu.be/6FKuDFPt-Ew

    My favorite video on the subject of bow/bow viability, not just a video of dummy humping-

    https://youtu.be/NQf1Fr3hjA4
  • hedna123b14_ESO
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    Bow would need to be buffed if spiders get nerfed
  • MartiniDaniels
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    I wanted to have a sword in one hand and spell in another like i did in every TES game, but in ESO i can't.
    I wanted to play unkillable tank, but such tank is considered useless to group so I play tanks who only have enough HP to survive health/block checks.
    I wanted to be a healer which can outheal anything, but this is pointless due to one-shot mechanics.
    I wanted to play stealthy and pick mobs one-by-one by precise shots, but I can't since you can't return to stealth until you run away half-map from the other mobs.
    I wanted to move fast without using stupid rapids, but combat speed buffs were limited to 4 seconds.
    I wanted to do smart combos, but instead I need to smack left mouse button precisely each second.

    This is ESO, you need to go dw/bow and came close each several seconds to re-new rending slashes, otherwise you'll suck, it's that simple.
  • John_Falstaff
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    dazee wrote: »
    Buff bow skills except endless hail. do something to endless hail to make people STOP needing bow 100% of the time to build a competetive stam dps.

    How do you think people will stop needing bow on back bar? What other weapon line ground AoE you will use to proc back bar enchantment consistently?
  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    dazee wrote: »
    Buff bow skills except endless hail. do something to endless hail to make people STOP needing bow 100% of the time to build a competetive stam dps.

    How do you think people will stop needing bow on back bar? What other weapon line ground AoE you will use to proc back bar enchantment consistently?

    Technically, deadly cloak will proc your back bar enchantments on but it ticks every 3 seconds. Fact the only way I would personally run 2h/DW instead of DW/bow is swap endless with Deadly cloak and poison injection with blood craze and front bar a 2h. You could then use a masters DW set to get that sweet bleed damage buff.

    ZOS could make deadly cloak tick every 2 seconds, as it procs enchantments from the off bar. ZOS could take one of the crit charge morphs, both of which are useless in pve and give it the same sort of AOE damage as deadly cloak, that way you have a way to proc back bar enchantments. Loads of possible ways ZOS change things to have your back bar enchantment go off.
  • Donnasnowheart_ESO
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    the stam sorc vid has me in tears literally using prey to boost the spider damage smh.
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    @Lightspeedflashb14_ESO , yes, 3 seconds isn't enough - and considering that DW enchantments are nerfed in half by now, even assuming one would want two halves of enchantments on back bar (instead of berserker glyph), even 2s ticks aren't enough to proc two enchantments off cooldown on both hands (one damage tick only procs one enchantment at a time). Two second ticks would only proc (infused) main hand enchant all the time, while off hand would've stayed dormant.
  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    the stam sorc vid has me in tears literally using prey to boost the spider damage smh.

    What is wrong with that? People are always asking for more class flavor. Also prey buffs the atro.
  • Donnasnowheart_ESO
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    the stam sorc vid has me in tears literally using prey to boost the spider damage smh.

    What is wrong with that? People are always asking for more class flavor. Also prey buffs the atro.

    Please, its all the spiders and on top of it the build doesn't even showcase anything defining to stam sorc outside of a passive ability, already know that it buffs the atro thats not the point. The sad bit is that its being used to buff the spiders. This isn't a case of adding flavor its just another case of something being overlooked when implemented. Literally the spiders bite overtook rele for damage if you look at the parse after. I'm in tears over this because things like this is what could end up nerfing moves that have nothing to do with spiders especially given Zos track record when it comes to nerfs.
  • Vandril
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    dazee wrote: »
    Buff bow skills except endless hail. do something to endless hail to make people STOP needing bow 100% of the time to build a competetive stam dps.

    How do you think people will stop needing bow on back bar? What other weapon line ground AoE you will use to proc back bar enchantment consistently?

    Well, the thing they could do to "do something to endless hail to make people STOP needing bow" could very well be to no longer allow backbar enchants to proc.

    As it should be.

    Backbar enchants never should have procced. It does weird things, like pigeonhole builds into using the weapon with the best ground AoE, SPECIFICALLY for the best ground AoE, in order to constantly proc them. If backbar enchants didn't proc, the game's weapon choices would feel more like actual choices.
  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    the stam sorc vid has me in tears literally using prey to boost the spider damage smh.

    What is wrong with that? People are always asking for more class flavor. Also prey buffs the atro.

    Please, its all the spiders and on top of it the build doesn't even showcase anything defining to stam sorc outside of a passive ability, already know that it buffs the atro thats not the point. The sad bit is that its being used to buff the spiders. This isn't a case of adding flavor its just another case of something being overlooked when implemented. Literally the spiders bite overtook rele for damage if you look at the parse after. I'm in tears over this because things like this is what could end up nerfing moves that have nothing to do with spiders especially given Zos track record when it comes to nerfs.

    Pretty sure deadric pretty counts as an active ablity, you have to cast it for it to do anything. I actually brought this combo up in a previous thread. It is very obvious. Really doubt that ZOS overlooked it.

    Also I am now confused at what you mean by " in tears". At first it read like you found it funny, in this post it reads like you will be sad by it. Which is it?
  • RandomKodiak
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    My Stam Sorc Bow/Bow no vMA bow self buffed just did a 39479 parse and I'm really bad at parsing. I have a DK Bow build that does 38.5k. That's solo no spiders no outside buffs. You just have to figure out what works for you. Now that's not going to get me into a top tier progression guild but perfectly fine for almost all content in the game.
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    I've seen bow builds hit 60k+ on target dummies. They're fine.
  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    My Stam Sorc Bow/Bow no vMA bow self buffed just did a 39479 parse and I'm really bad at parsing. I have a DK Bow build that does 38.5k. That's solo no spiders no outside buffs. You just have to figure out what works for you. Now that's not going to get me into a top tier progression guild but perfectly fine for almost all content in the game.

    Build for dk bow build?
  • Banana
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    Youve been living under a rock to long
  • ccfeeling
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    My Stam Sorc Bow/Bow no vMA bow self buffed just did a 39479 parse and I'm really bad at parsing. I have a DK Bow build that does 38.5k. That's solo no spiders no outside buffs. You just have to figure out what works for you. Now that's not going to get me into a top tier progression guild but perfectly fine for almost all content in the game.

    Sounds interesting , because I never see an effective DK bow bow build :D
  • GrumpyDuckling
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    I wanted to have a sword in one hand and spell in another like i did in every TES game, but in ESO i can't.
    I wanted to play unkillable tank, but such tank is considered useless to group so I play tanks who only have enough HP to survive health/block checks.
    I wanted to be a healer which can outheal anything, but this is pointless due to one-shot mechanics.
    I wanted to play stealthy and pick mobs one-by-one by precise shots, but I can't since you can't return to stealth until you run away half-map from the other mobs.
    I wanted to move fast without using stupid rapids, but combat speed buffs were limited to 4 seconds.
    I wanted to do smart combos, but instead I need to smack left mouse button precisely each second.

    This is ESO, you need to go dw/bow and came close each several seconds to re-new rending slashes, otherwise you'll suck, it's that simple.

    Great list. That last one is what annoys me the most. I hate, hate, hate the feeling of rotations/weaves. It's not exciting gameplay to me. I do rotations and weaves because I have to for some content, not because I want to. The rotation/weaving process is so robotic, unimaginative, and premeditated that I don't actually feel like I am assessing what is going on and reacting to it -- instead, the cool monster I am fighting is just a backdrop for the real fight (against maintaining a good enough rotation/weave). It's not very enjoyable.
    Edited by GrumpyDuckling on April 9, 2019 2:36AM
  • Browiseth
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    it would be nice if the "bow nerd spamming snipe in pve" didn't have to be quite as much of a meme
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  • Floplag
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    Draxys wrote: »
    Wildbloom wrote: »
    Bow builds are actually thriving harder than ever right now, if you have the right setup. Especially bow Warden can do really well, from what I've seen.

    Well let’s be clear, a solid chunk of bow dps is spider synergy. Without that, they’d likely still be underwhelming.

    This is a huge problem to me, nothing should be so dependent on one other thing like this. Remove that dependency somehow and you remove the problem.
  • Floplag
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    Browiseth wrote: »
    it would be nice if the "bow nerd spamming snipe in pve" didn't have to be quite as much of a meme

    How is this any more of a meme than any other class spam? ... every class has its memes.
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