"Now Is the Time for an Account Wide Achievement System" or "Why Don't Play Alts"

Mr_Walker · April 2019

PvP is the only thing that should be account based achievements.

Siohwenoeht · April 2019

Mr_Walker wrote: »

PvP is the only thing that should be account based achievements.

Hmm... I've always thought the opposite. Lvl 3 "former emperor" /grand overlord etc would be strange since that toon couldn't have stepped foot in a campaign yet. Keep titles character bound overall. If folks want their journal, that no one else sees, to show achievements across all toons by all means.

I'm not being facetious when I ask: why is this so important? I've personally never needed to see all the achievements in one place. They don't really count for anything, except titles of course, and I feel each of my toons has their own unique story, thus none need "all" the achievements. Genuinely curious as to the opposite mindset.

MrGraves · April 2019

I don't really care about seeing the achievements on my alts but I hate that I can't progress the things I need to progress on my main, esp things that take awhile like some of the pvp things (ranks, etc. im not very good at pvp and dont play it alot so it takes me extra long) And so I have to choose and there's no point in doing BGs on my alts even though it might be funner to do it on a DPS char or a TANK char because the progress on my main doesn't carry over. That's really my only issue with achievements being per character is things like that. I feel like i never have the time to play my alts/progress them even if it's just getting their skills/skyshards.

MikaHR · April 2019

Soon:

"Account wide achievements available for purchase in Crown Store!"

Mathius_Mordred · April 2019

I really think the approach that the "account is the player" not the character. I only have one main and the thought of doing all those achievements again on an alt totally puts me off making any alts. I would love to experience some of the other play styles but until I have totally finished my main I won't do that, partly through lack of time and partly due to it being a pretty boring grind. Anything ZoS can do to help the account wide unlocks would be supported by me.

Kombinator · April 2019

I think, that achievements are should be account based, but titles should be character based. Though this system would be the most difficult to make.

dazee · April 2019

Odnoc wrote: »

Just play the game and have fun? Not sure why people worry about achievements on other characters when they probably don't have them all on one anyhow.

If you don't care about achievments then surely you're not against account wide achievements since you have no opinion on the matter.

barney2525 · April 2019

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Make everything account wide and be done with it, games been out for 4 years now everyone's basically done everything possible atleast once so yeah, time to move things along and just make everything account wide

Aside from the fact that not everyone currently playing has been playing for 4 years...

I can say for certain that I , who have been playing for 4 years....

can verify that your statement is - Not even Close

But thanks for playing and we have some lovely parting gifts

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Elsonso · April 2019

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

I really think the approach that the "account is the player" not the character. I only have one main and the thought of doing all those achievements again on an alt totally puts me off making any alts. I would love to experience some of the other play styles but until I have totally finished my main I won't do that, partly through lack of time and partly due to it being a pretty boring grind. Anything ZoS can do to help the account wide unlocks would be supported by me.

You are likely to get some of that, but it is going to cost you for that convenience.

dazee wrote: »

Odnoc wrote: »

Just play the game and have fun? Not sure why people worry about achievements on other characters when they probably don't have them all on one anyhow.

If you don't care about achievments then surely you're not against account wide achievements since you have no opinion on the matter.

I think you have interpreted that wrong. I think that they are saying that many people don't even have all of the achievements on their main character. Why have them account wide, or for sale, when people don't even have all of them in the first place. Instead, just go play the game.

Siohwenoeht · April 2019

So now I'm even more confused...

Aren't we talking about achievements like "lvl 50 hero" or "fungal grotto vanquisher"? Filling up the progress bars in the journal, not progress bars for skill lines right?

The first, ok no harm no foul, add an "account achievement" tab in the journal that's a total sum of all the achievements of all your characters.

I will never be comfortable with skill lines being account wide. Just trying to clarify what we're discussing here...

Elsonso · April 2019

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

add an "account achievement" tab in the journal that's a total sum of all the achievements of all your characters.

I would actually find that useful. I have had reason to think that I did an achievement, but I don't recall which character did it, or maybe I am remembering wrong, or maybe there is a bug and I didn't get credit. It would be nice to be able to look at achievements and be able to see what characters have completed them.

Of course, I am on PC, and if ZOS does not do that, I can always find an add-on for that.

don_kwek · April 2019

I've stop collecting achievement because of this, and that severely reduce my playtime. Anyone else felt the same ?

Nerouyn · April 2019

lordrichter wrote: »

I think you have interpreted that wrong. I think that they are saying that many people don't even have all of the achievements on their main character. Why have them account wide, or for sale, when people don't even have all of them in the first place. Instead, just go play the game.

I don't have anywhere near all achievements even on my main character and one of the main reasons is because they're not account wide.

Some of them - particularly motifs or the Murkmire pre dailies requiring a mind-boggling 150 - can require an enormous amount of effort and or gold. For something which benefits only one character.

It's just too much effort and much easier to totally disregard achievements unless you know there's an associated tangible benefit, like with writs and crafting achievements.

Elsonso · April 2019

Nerouyn wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

I think you have interpreted that wrong. I think that they are saying that many people don't even have all of the achievements on their main character. Why have them account wide, or for sale, when people don't even have all of them in the first place. Instead, just go play the game.

I don't have anywhere near all achievements even on my main character and one of the main reasons is because they're not account wide.

Some of them - particularly motifs or the Murkmire pre dailies requiring a mind-boggling 150 - can require an enormous amount of effort and or gold. For something which benefits only one character.

It's just too much effort and much easier to totally disregard achievements unless you know there's an associated tangible benefit, like with writs and crafting achievements.

This is where I get the point that I think that person was trying to make. It can be viewed as binary. Either you want them, or you don't. If you don't, then they don't need to be account wide. It is only when they are wanted that the conflict arises. People who do not yet have all of the achievements on one character... are they really interested in achievements? Only the few that interest them, maybe? Should achievement be account wide for that reason? Anyway, that is my interprestion of the statement.

My personal opinion is that if you want them, you go get them. If you want them 10 times, you go get them 10 times. That is the way the game is today. It is just the way it is. The game was not originally designed for 'free refills', and my reasoning is because this game play is built around character development, not player development.

Changing that, or even offering a cash bypass, is a huge change. It introduces player development that replaces the need to develop characters independently. Is that good for the game? A paid bypass is certainly good for Zenimax, and many players would appreciate it.

It will be interesting to see what they do.

Tandor · April 2019

Nerouyn wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

I think you have interpreted that wrong. I think that they are saying that many people don't even have all of the achievements on their main character. Why have them account wide, or for sale, when people don't even have all of them in the first place. Instead, just go play the game.

I don't have anywhere near all achievements even on my main character and one of the main reasons is because they're not account wide.

Some of them - particularly motifs or the Murkmire pre dailies requiring a mind-boggling 150 - can require an enormous amount of effort and or gold. For something which benefits only one character.

It's just too much effort and much easier to totally disregard achievements unless you know there's an associated tangible benefit, like with writs and crafting achievements.

Perhaps the answer with achievements is for us to lobby for a change in their name instead, it seems that some players don't really get what an "achievement" is supposed to be about.

WeerW3ir · April 2019

This whine about make everything to account bound is way too disgusting. Excuse me but this is an mmo. The concept of an mmo to have multiple characters. All different and all unique. (so-so.)

In the all mother/father wow. There was NO such thing like thi for more YEARS than eso exist. and here? Overdramatising every little ***...
Cmon guys. Grow some balls and stop whining!!!!

Reistr_the_Unbroken · April 2019

Can we character lock champion points for the people against this?

Tandor · April 2019

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Can we character lock champion points for the people against this?

Not under the present system thanks as that would go against the idea of all playing by the same rules, which is why some of us don't like the idea of people being able to buy skill points in the crown store. If, however, you want to lobby for everyone's champion points to be character-specific then I'll back you all the way!

Elsonso · April 2019

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Can we character lock champion points?

I am pretty sure I said as much back in early 2015. I was also critical of the ability to use them for <50 characters.

karekiz · April 2019

Skins shouldn't be account bound.
Dyes shouldn't be account bound.
Houses other than Cash shop shouldn't be account bound

Juomuuri · April 2019

I'm just going to swoop here and say that it would be great if titles were account wide. Just because I'm a roleplayer and doing achis on multiple alts just for roleplaying purposes makes we want to curl up into a ball and cry.

Weesacs · April 2019

As an older, experienced MMO player I asked for this a few years ago but got shot down by the naysayers ... funny how attitudes are changing now we are 5 years on with more content.

todokete · April 2019

In the recent stream they said they can't code it

Katahdin · April 2019

There is an addon that lets you see all achievements for all characters
So if youre on PC you can use that to see all your characters achieves

Kyoma's Global Achievements

Katahdin · April 2019

If they made champ points character locked, I would probably delete all my characters except my main and my crafter

NO way in hades am I gona grind champ points on 15 characters

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · April 2019

im so tired of asking...5 years im done...il leave someone else to keep beating the dead horse...mine is decomposed already...

peacenote · April 2019

This topic is difficult to leave a reply to because people are discussing so many things at the same time.

I like character specific achievements because they help me keep track of what I've done and where I am. Did I finish the Dark Brotherhood stuff? Did I run that dungeon? Plus, it's fun when I randomly get a "you killed this many of this" achievement on an alt. Achievements are just an accounting system that log what you did when you did it. If they became account-wide we would lose a large level of granularity of data about our individual characters.

I think achievements should remain character specific so you have a log of what you've done. I think REWARDS earned through the achievement system should be account-wide, and titles should be changed to work in this way. I understand a level 5 character obviously didn't earn the title "Emperor," but at the same time, it is obvious that someone is wearing the title on an alt. How dyes work is how everything should work with regards to that system.

If certain functionality becomes account-wide, the mechanics could just be slightly adjusted for alts. For example:

If "sky shards" became account-wide, what should actually happen is that additional characters should get the skill points, but they still have to go and collect sky shards to obtain the achievement. Maybe sky shards are enhanced so they have a chance to drop soul gems or something.
If Mage's guild reputation becomes account-wide, your character still must go out into the world to obtain the books to be able to read them and recall them later.

I don't understand why achievements are viewed as being synonymous with functionality or rewards. It seems like a lot of people are advocating for system-wide achievements when what they really want is account-wide functionality. Wouldn't it be better to advocate more for the latter?

silentxthreat · April 2019

eso is one of the worse games on the market for alts. skyshards, lorebooks, psijic order, undaunted 9.

method__01 · April 2019

maybe whine for 5-10 pages more and get achievement wide

as always zos satisfy the ones who complain the most - warden,magsorc shields,cp sys etc

Nerouyn · April 2019

don_kwek wrote: »

This is where I get the point that I think that person was trying to make. It can be viewed as binary. Either you want them, or you don't. If you don't, then they don't need to be account wide.

No that's wrong.

If they were account wide I'd do them. With them being character only I skip many.

It's not at all a question of whether I want them. It's a question of whether they're worth the effort.

The amount of time / effort required for some achievements is BIG. ESO is supposedly a game and game's are meant to be fun. If I'm not enjoying myself then I'm wasting my time and money. A certain amount of "work" in a game is tolerable but there's a limit.

ESO's character only achievements exceed that limit.

Additionally, achievement systems rely heavily on a sense of completionism. Even if only some of its achievements require insane amounts of effort, once you decide that they're not worth the effort, you've also decided that completion isn't possible, ergo none of them are worth the effort.

It's that easy to understand.

Tandor wrote: »

Perhaps the answer with achievements is for us to lobby for a change in their name instead, it seems that some players don't really get what an "achievement" is supposed to be about.

Putting "achievement" in quotation marks is spot on there!

It's not really an achievement. Typically they're just doing some repetitive thing an arbitrary number of times or completing a dungeon - which isn't brain surgery.

If that makes you feel like you've "achieved" something, good for you. But seriously, no.