I changed from Argonian to Dunmer on one of my Magicka Wardens this patch - it is such a huge buff.

In PvP the Stamina bonus allows me to run gold food & apprentice instead of atronarch, which results in +500 spell dmg compared to Argonian. Another 1k Magicka on top after substracting the miserable Argonian stat bonus. Both of them not just upping my damage but also heals.

I dont run any more sustain than I did with my Argonian and I feel no difference at all. The potion passive was so overrated, its almost comedy. I dont feel any less tanky since Warden has no HP problems in general. Burning immunity is just as nice as disease immunity.

So, in summary, another case of hysterical forum & theory balancing not accounting for playtested race returns in realistic scenarios. In my personal books Argonian is now, by far, the worst race to choose - even on tanky sustain builds. What a mess.

Should've never bothered with racial aspects. Just my opinion, as a tank was doing the new depths of malatar yesterday and was just crap during the first boss because of the poison resistance was gone.

At least give Argonians some poison resist back and Bosmer some disease that way it fits lore better. Argonians are immune to disease but resist poison and Bosmer immune to poison but resist some disease but can still get diseased (Knahataen Flu). This still keeps them unique and follows ESO lore more accurately.

Mayrael wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

I changed from Argonian to Dunmer on one of my Magicka Wardens this patch - it is such a huge buff.

In PvP the Stamina bonus allows me to run gold food & apprentice instead of atronarch, which results in +500 spell dmg compared to Argonian. Another 1k Magicka on top after substracting the miserable Argonian stat bonus. Both of them not just upping my damage but also heals.

I dont run any more sustain than I did with my Argonian and I feel no difference at all. The potion passive was so overrated, its almost comedy. I dont feel any less tanky since Warden has no HP problems in general. Burning immunity is just as nice as disease immunity.

So, in summary, another case of hysterical forum & theory balancing not accounting for playtested race returns in realistic scenarios. In my personal books Argonian is now, by far, the worst race to choose - even on tanky sustain builds. What a mess.

Argonians was never OP. They were OK while other races needed a buff. Now they have nerfed argonians and buffed others leaving argonians as worst race. Majority doesn't always knows the best, because majority probably never played as an argonian.

To be fair, the only thing that made Argonians *actually* OP in some fields was their Resourceful passive. It still is a good passive but all the other races outshine them in all three roles, tanks and healers are average for them as of now. Yes, I do main an Argonian and I feel the pain.

idk wrote: »

Does OP know they are about 7 weeks late providing their feedback on the racial passives?


Just FYI, PTS goes live every 3 months with the next update. That PTS is active with actual PTS server changes for 5 weeks before it goes live on PC/Mac. Zos also posted the starting point for these changes before the PS went live and the forums was busy with feedback the entire time. It was really hard to miss.

In other words, the best time to provide feedback to Zos about prospective changes is during that 5 week period of time. Next PTS cycle will begin in 5 to 7 weeks, estimate. The best time to complain because you are late to the party is now.

It's so convenient - to shift the blame for the failures of the developers to the players. And yes, I don't remember signing a contract with ZOS to work as a Loremaster (unless, of course, such a position still exists, after Lawrence Schick leaving). About feedback on PTS - max_only quite accurately described the situation, I see no reason to add something. However, I see no good reason why the ZOS could not correct its obvious miscalculations in the Lore of the Argonian and Bosmer. Unless, of course, the Lore and semantic integrity of the world of TESO still means something to the ZOS.

idk wrote: »

Calling it an open letter does not give it more meaning. That is just an FYI. The people at Zos are not really a bunch of simpletons.

Of course, they ain't. They are simply incompetent in understanding and respecting what they have already created, and the people for whom it is still important.
Like Robert A. Heinlein said: "A generation which ignores history has no past — and no future".
And if you ignore your own past, it is like spitting at yourself. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Come on ZoS, this is such a simple fix and doesn't break anything. Respect the games lore, the one race one passive system you have now is seriously stupid.

Still waiting to see if this total disregard for lore will be fixed. It's bad enough they only focused on Skyrim the very first TES game we had any bonus in Restoration and decided oh hey healers. We had crap Endurance in every game but yeah Tanks, no attention to our aspects that's been around for decades. Fine it's established lore in ESO we are healers and I guess tanks. Now they are breaking our established lore within ESO itself.

Commancho wrote: »

Is this thread still going? xD

As you can see, kiddo. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

SkerKro wrote: »

Why not Argonian Mastery?
Increase Disease resistance by 1155
Increase Poison resistance by 1155

Increase Poison and Disease (or all Damage over Time) by 475

I see nothing against it.

So you acknowledged the Bosmer stealth thread at the event. Did you notice how you broke Argonians lore in your game yet? Your vision doesn't mean much if you ignore and break the lore foundation you have set for yourselves.

max_only wrote: »

The real problem is that they don’t fact check the things they did themselves.

Zos wrote quests that say Argonians are resistant to poison. There’s no one to blame but themselves. They can’t even say “well the other games don’t say it”. Consistency is key in fantasy storytelling.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Consistency

Any rules, events, settings, or characters that have been established within the fictional work continue to exist and function as they did previously, unless otherwise indicated. If your work takes place in an Expanded Universe, you're generally expected to be consistent with the (non-expanded) Canon.

I read your post from the Bosmer stealth thread.

max_only wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

I’m watching the stream and I’m getting... annoyed lol

The eso one is later on. I in the audience right now.

Maybe it’s something about being here in person, but I can’t wipe a goofy grin off my face.

I’m infected with excitement as well, I’m just listening to them saying they pay attention tothe lore and I’m not sure how to feel....

If they are going to stand up there and seriously state that, they need to address this. They have books and quests that revolve around Argonians being both resistant to disease and poisons. They can't say they pay attention to the lore with a straight face and let this go. It's been canon in the game for like 5 years now. You don't just break your own games lore like that.

Koronach wrote: »

I still like this idea to fix this issue.

Argonian

• Increases your Max Health by 1000 and your Disease and Poison Resistance by 2310 or lower for balance. You are immune to the Diseased status effect.

Wood Elf

• Increases your Max Stamina by 2000 and your Poison and Disease Resistance by 2310 or lower for balance. You are immune to the Poisoned status effect.

They aren't exactly the same and still follows the base lore of ESO better.

I would personally prefer:
Argonian

• Increases your Max Health by 1000, Poison Resistance by 2310, and Disease Resistance by 1155. You are immune to the Poisoned status effect.

Wood Elf

• Increases your Max Stamina by 2000 and your Disease Resistance by 2310. You are immune to the Diseased status effect.

Argonians have better claim to the Poison effect immunity, I think, and should be the only race with both.

Aside from Skyrim, Bosmer haven't had poison resistance and Argonians had both. The lore supports Argonians having both, but doesn't suggest there's any special resistance to poison for Bosmer -- there's a quest where one tribe poisons itself to poison a neighboring tribe, IIRC. If Bosmer are to retain any poison resistance, it should be the lower value (1155) if at all.

Cundu_Ertur wrote: »

Aside from Skyrim, Bosmer haven't had poison resistance and Argonians had both. The lore supports Argonians having both, but doesn't suggest there's any special resistance to poison for Bosmer -- there's a quest where one tribe poisons itself to poison a neighboring tribe, IIRC. If Bosmer are to retain any poison resistance, it should be the lower value (1155) if at all.

Higher lower makes more sense. I’m not for removing anything that people have been using for 5 years. That’s my thing.

Higher poison, lower disease for Argonians/ Higher Disease, lower poison for Bosmer is a better compromise than removing anything for anybody.