Kalgert wrote: »

By the way, for Warden Tanks: What would be a reliable way of self sustain? I have Arctic Winds but it feels like it doesn't heal a single worthwhile bit.

Lotus Bloom and using an ice staff. You're going to use heavy attacks to get aggro, so might as well make those attacks heal you at the same time. And the vines thingie, heals you when you get hit, since you WILL get hit

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

I don't play tank (or support in general) for 2 reasons:

1. I'd need to respec to DPS when doing overland questing
2. I can't carry a PUG and need to rely on my DDs being competent

Then you're doing it wrong.

1 - You don't need that, but you will indeed have it slower than a damage dealer.
2 - You're REALLY doing it wrong, mate. Just toughen up and wait them out. They'll die eventually.

My nord stamina sorcerer tank uses 1 hand and shield / 2 handed, and is basically unbreakable. With update 21, I had to remove every CP I had placed in resists and switch out of "the Lady" mundus stone to avoid being way over the cap. Now, I'm only slightly over it when fully buffed. Aggro sh*t up, deal AoE damage with the storm skill, toughen up with two-handed damage shield skill if needed, use fighter's guild circle of protection, taunt everything, use the sorcerer's bubble that both stuns adds and heals every allies inside...You can't die. Unlerss maybe against trial bosses, I don't do that so I can't tell.

And when you want to deal damage, there is always the werewolf form. Having it equipped provides a much needed boost to stamina regen, but it can also be used to increase damage when questing overland.

Account wide skill points so anyone can spec to tank in any toon and every mob except for bosses be ccable.

What would inspire?

Not having to everyday read more and more "pls nerf X skill" and "something needs to be done to X.." type of nerf demand threads from crybabies who die to something or cannot kill someone at pvp.. what leads to eventually pve tanks take nerfs to efficiency, fun & build choices.

Every game has less tank and healers than DD, to make tank and healer more appealing, you don't need to change anything in any game, you need to change people's mentality and this will never happen =]

As somebody who has played a tank since launch I have to say tanking is more enjoyable now than it’s ever been. New vet dlc requires a good tank. Unfortunately, increasing the difficulty to the point where a tank is required results in a lot of complaining.

I always play Tank (Argonian Stamplar) and I don't understand the question.
For me no problem exists.
Just switch gear when soloing (nothin beats coward & fiords if you wanna d it fast<g>)

Mojmir wrote: »

Id like to see better options for sets, a better synergy system that allows priority as well as the length. Id also like to see more options for weps (not a staff).

Agree, staff is not acceptable.

I made a tank (thanks to @Liofa and @Woeler for the builds/ideas they have published).

However, the toxicity in PvE ESPECIALLY towards noob tanks has totally put me off playing it.

I haven't done many delves/dungeons, although about 18 months ago I ran some vet trials as a healer, I've since totally forgotten the mechanics of all of them. And there are plenty of threads on here that totally annihilate tanks for putting a foot wrong.

Well, skrew that. At my age, I don't need telling off by some child for messing up in a computer game

A huge problem I have seen with this game is tanks are really more of a support role from the community for end game content. Tanks run warhorn to boost DPS, tanks run elemental staff (which turns people away on that fact alone) for debuffs uptime through enchantments, and tanks always feel under appreciated by pugs too.

I have tried bringing my tank into vet dungeons with pugs and I can't tell you how many (bad DPS) tried to blame me or my wife (the healer) when they die from stupid stuff they don't move out of. So if they get mad at me over them dying I can only imagine how a pug tank feels when that happens to them and they don't know better. So for that reason alone I only tank for my guild now if there is any pugs I just dps.

Things that can be done to make tank more engaging?

1) make more mechanics where you need the 2 tanks in trials or the dungeons. Like constantly separate the group or have fights with multiple bosses that hit hard. Cloudrest is a good example or hrc just follow those instances that way people want to lose their dps for a tank (I know I can solo tank vhrc if I'm with my guild because they can kill upstairs without tank but try to be like how it was designed to be and how a lot of pug groups need to run it.)

2) got to get rid of a lot of the 1 shot mechanics in dungeons because it is crazy you can run vet dungeons with a tank and 3 DPS. (It makes some tanks not want to go to that content)

3) need more options than a destro staff back bar. When people hear tank you think of a big heavy armor wearing guy with a sword and shield or a huge weapon. In this game best thing for a tank is a stick....... Lol. (It seriously turns people away because they refuse to do it and the community refuses to run trials with them) if they fixed up some of the moves and allowed enchants to proc differently you might see more people tank. (And don't remove destro staff some people do like it the way it is)

4) lastly since tanks are always needed you could also fix up the random question to show what role is needed and give a player a bonus reward for playing that role. (Ff14 does this and it gets people to que for stuff as tank or healer since they get bonus reward the rest of group doesn't get)

Bealeb319 wrote: »

Diversity. There is no reason for there to only be two taunts in the game. The only viable taunt forces tanks into sword and board and encourages them in most content to just spam the same skill over and over. There should be both single target and aoe taunts that do not tie you down to one weapon line. The short of it is that tanking in most content is a bore

For me, tanking is the most fun. The other two roles get boring fast (especially healing, which they have butchered). So it all comes down to personal preference I suppose.

But my point would be players who do not enjoy defensive play styles are never going to enjoy tanking. So to try and morph them into some kind of DPS or support class with a shield (I know you weren't saying that but others have) isn't going to work. It would be better to concentrate on improving the defensive elements of the class and making it more enjoyable for players who actually do enjoy tanking. Bringing back the old Unstoppable would be a good start. So would returning stamina regen while blocking. Both these changes crippled tanking significantly. The PvP element in this game has been a curse for tanks. There were too many DPS in PvP upset they couldn't kill tanks and this lead to some very god awful nerfs for them.

As far as taunting goes - forced taunts are probably a mistake in games. I believe it works more strategically when there is an enmity threshold. That way damage dealers can't just unleash as much damage as possible without drawing the bosses attention - and tanks have to work more on keeping the attention of enemies instead of just spamming the same move.