Please Allow My Vampire to Wear Makeup

Girl_Number8 · March 2019

tizodd wrote: »

I really don't get why you contrarians want to make things so difficult for others. I suspect Finder is on the right track with his/her post above explaining why people actively work to stop others from getting something: it doesn't benefit you, so you actively work against it. Just plain selfish.

One thing to keep in mind: I'm only asking it be an OPTION. Like I said in the op, if you like the vampire look, keep it. I'm not trying to force my opinion on anyone.

And frankly...the argument that 10% regen is the trade-off for the horrible look is asinine. We have entire skill trees that grant us benefits, many of which are stronger than those of vampirism, yet there are no trade-offs for those. They cost skill points and skill points only.

All I want is an option for my character to look the way I made her.

Well put, so insightful it actually makes perfect sense. Yes, there should be a mortal skin for sale or better yet, a way to achieve it in a vampy related quest. On the subject of wanting to blend in like those smelly werewolves to hide your true nature from the food, I mean, the human inhabitants of Tamerial.

Osteos · March 2019

In swtor I checked the box saying Hide dark side corruption. It allowed me to make whatever quest/dialogue decisions I wanted to without adversely changing my characters appearance. I see no real difference with Vampirism in eso. Whether you're ugly with 10% extra regen or pretty with 10% extra regen doesn't affect my character. Maybe it would cause more people to become vamps but so many are anyways it seems a moot argument.

Deter1UK · March 2019

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maybe ask a dev to create more makeup that includes foundation/blush?

be careful though, male devs tend to make everything look like the makeup gun was set to clown

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Obviously gaining all their inspiration from Essex girls

Girl_Number8 · March 2019

Skwor wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

aside from the fact that glamour actualy exists in ESO and we have in game vampires actualy very successfully hiding their visible vampire (rivenspire story) its kinda funny that right now, in RL, we have makeup that can cover up scaring, tatoos etc... and yet some how in a land of MAGIC of ESO... we have skins that completely change our appearance but NOT basic foundation etc?

visible vampiric appearance makes. no. sense. especially when you consider just... going about general population looking like a vampire and somehow no one bats an eye.

If you are giong yo invoke rl as reason to be able to hide vampirism wiymth make up then I invoke rl as a reason the game should remove vampires, after all we do not have them in rl.

RL justifications just do not belong in a fantasy MMO, stick to thematic or lore justifications

except real life gets brought up often enough when "its not realistic" excuse is used.

the fact that ESo is NOT a real life is PRECISELY THE POINT. this is a game with MAGIC. MAGIC that was ESTABLISHED on multiple occasions to be capable of HIDING vampirism. so why are you totaly cool with glowing magma skins but... not being able to glamour up regular appearance?

please, stop pretending that your arguments have anything to do with lore, you just want to punish people for choosing to be a vampire even though as it has been pointed out that there are other multiple skill lines with strong passives that have NO drawbacks

well.. I even have a suggestion, to placate you "you must suffer" ilk.

a magically cast buff. you can only hide your vampiric appearance if you have that buff active and in order to maintain that buff, you lose, lets say 4k of your magika pool. this way, for actual combat - you just remove the buff, look all veiny and ugly becasue for whatever reason having other people's characters look terrible is important for you and have your full magika pool accessible. trying to look normal? have to cast that buff again. think of it as old school bound armaments, except instead of purple eyes, players get their normal appearance back and it costs part of magika pool as long as its active.

and speaking of which, I love how we have all these visual effects that we can cast on ourselves and its perfectly ok, and lore friendly, but a very basic glamour that npc's get to do all over the place? is somehow a no no. sigh.

Never once did I invoke lore. My whole premise is vampires are very powerful as is in game. DEVs decided appearance is a fair trade off for that power and I agree, in fact I think it is not enough but that is where it is at right now.

People asking to remove even that trade off are asking for to much. If they want that then either tone down the benefits or make it such that when they look normal you get no bonuses.

I proposed another option a while ago. Make vampires very weak during the daytime to actually match other ESO games. Funny how the lore people will invoke lore for appearance but want nothing to do with daytime weakness.

That would be silly because you cannot control daytime or nighttime in the game. It would be unreasonable hardship for players to have to deal with and vampys are not OP in the least. I think you are thinking of WW's which have a human form but still get that juicy stam recovery just for having it slotted. I play both and think a mortal visage is reasonable. It is not like it is going to cause any issues for anyone, it is just a nice thing to have for fellow gamers.

This is a cosmetic issue being discussed not a nerf thread okie....

barney2525 · March 2019

All fantasy games are based on the "suspension of disbelief" premise. That is, we know that in real life, magic, monsters, super powers, don't exist the way they do in our imaginations. Games attempt to make their product as close to "reality" as they can, in order for the player to find some logical tie. A "that could happen", or "that makes sense, in this setting" so to speak.

That being said, it is perfectly within the realm of suspension of disbelief to think that vampires - at least some of them - would like to mingle with the populace and not be recognized for what they are. Cosmetics is certainly an option.

The concept "you are a vampire, you must look ugly and there is nothing you can do about it" does not make much sense, even in a game of suspended disbelief..

IMHO

tizodd · March 2019

barney2525 wrote: »

All fantasy games are based on the "suspension of disbelief" premise. That is, we know that in real life, magic, monsters, super powers, don't exist the way they do in our imaginations. Games attempt to make their product as close to "reality" as they can, in order for the player to find some logical tie. A "that could happen", or "that makes sense, in this setting" so to speak.

That being said, it is perfectly within the realm of suspension of disbelief to think that vampires - at least some of them - would like to mingle with the populace and not be recognized for what they are. Cosmetics is certainly an option.

The concept "you are a vampire, you must look ugly and there is nothing you can do about it" does not make much sense, even in a game of suspended disbelief..

IMHO

Well said. I totally agree and have been saying this from the beginning. I just wish more people would thing logically about this issue rather than disagreeing for the sake of argument.

MornaBaine · March 2019

starkerealm wrote: »

Zhoyzu wrote: »

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

As I have suggested before and will again in hopes that it will happen someday.

Make a passive where
stage 1 - look normal
stage 2 - 1 skill point to look normal
stage 3 - 2 skill points to look normal
stage 4 - 3 skill points required to look normal

waste of skill points

I'm inclined to agree.

I really wish we simply had the five stages as different skins we unlocked as we leveled Vampire.

So much all of this. It's SO overdue.

MornaBaine · March 2019

Valrien wrote: »

myskyrim26 wrote: »

BrianLovesLisa wrote: »

No, because this is not twilight. Surprised you did not ask to add sparkling as well. YOU choose to be a Monster, now you are gonna get the cure or "Unlive??" with it

Do some lore research. Some vampires are not changed at all. They are monsters yet look like just as any ordinary mer or men. No pale skin, no glowing eyes, nothing. Did you play Oblivion at all?

@myskyrim26 those are cyrodiilic vampires only if you're gonna bring lore into this

There are so many ways you are wrong.
We don't know what bloodline Verandis Ravenwatch is but we DO know that Heloise from the Rivenspire questline became a vampire by being scratched by a bloodfiend. AND YET she looks completely NORMAL even AFTER she has been killing people as a vampire. Granted, LATER (after YOU know her secret) she finally looks like a vampire. But the same thing happens with Verandis. It's basically sloppy mechanics and sloopy storytelling because apparently the writers thought we were all idiots and needed the visual cue.

HOWEVER, there is also THIS:

That's right, the very vampire that MAKES player vampires, the FIRST vampire, lets you know that "your kin," that being OTHER VAMPIRES OF YOUR BLOODLINE, blend among mortals of all stations. Gosh, I wonder how they do that? POSSIBLY by looking just like them.

And before you remark upon HER appearance...for at least the first year of the game she looked like this:

There is also a good deal of lore that supports other bloodlines, such as the Glenmoril Coven, being able to look normal/blend in among the mortal population:

"The vampires in the Glenmoril Coven live in the Breton cities of High Rock, though no information about their abilities or feeding habits is known. It is known, however, that they are one of the tribes considered more intelligent (and threatening) by the Order vampires of Cyrodiil; possibly implying that, like the Order, they live disguised among the normal population as stealthy manipulators.[22]"
From UESP : https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire

And, also from UESP: "In northern Valenwood, there are the Bonsamu vampires who are indistinguishable from normal Bosmer unless seen by candlelight. There is also the Keerilth who can disintegrate into a mist, the Yekef who swallow men whole, and the Telboth who prey on children. The Telboth are also known to take the child's place in the family and eventually murder all of the family members.[4]"

Further, it is understood that there are many more bloodlines, with unknown abilities, powers, and weaknesses, than are named in any lore.

so, if you're going to cite lore as your defense, please get it right. Because there's plenty lore nerds out there who know better.

MrGraves · March 2019

Also vampires tend to use illusion magic alot so they can use illusions to look like everyone else even if their blood line "doesn't look normal" it would still fit in lore well for it to be called an illusion spell since they use them anyway.

MornaBaine · March 2019

starkerealm wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

There's absolutely NO reason for there NOT to be a mortal-looking skin available.
1. there are already skins and armors that will hide the vampire skin so the lame argument of "in PVP we have to be able to tell who the vampires are" holds no water now and never did.
2. It is entirely lore appropriate for vampires to be able to visually blend among mortals. The game itself is FULL of such examples.

The fact that ZOS keeps ignoring this request for the past 5 years is inexcusable.

The PvP argument died when Dark Brotherhood dropped, and Vampirism no longer overrode the Mindshriven and Soulshriven skins.

Oh I know. I'm just saying there were ALWAYS ways to "hide" the vampire appearance in PvP merely by way of armor. Hence, it holds no water now and never did. It was always a bad argument, even when Paul Sage made it.

MornaBaine · March 2019

tizodd wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

There's absolutely NO reason for there NOT to be a mortal-looking skin available.
1. there are already skins and armors that will hide the vampire skin so the lame argument of "in PVP we have to be able to tell who the vampires are" holds no water now and never did.
2. It is entirely lore appropriate for vampires to be able to visually blend among mortals. The game itself is FULL of such examples.

The fact that ZOS keeps ignoring this request for the past 5 years is inexcusable.

Your points have been pointed out. I agree with you, and logic/reasoning agrees with you. But unfortunately there are always people out there who feel the need actively work against anything that doesn't benefit them (even if it also doesn't hurt them in any way).

I think ZOS wants to keep their playerbase happy but in situation like this, they're between a rock and hard place. ZOS needs subs from those unreasonable/selfish players too .

Do they really? I doubt it. They may WANT them but I don't think they NEED them. And those of us who play vampires and call for this change have pretty much always outnumbered those who childishly argue against it. If it's really a matter of money, I've held multiple subs since day one. And I want this change.

MornaBaine · March 2019

Stage 1 vs Arctic Rime skin:

So NOW my vampire can look like a normal person...with a bad case of frost bite. I guess this is progress?

OmniDo · March 2019

Actually, he looks more like he took a bath in Flour, or perhaps some other substance...

MornaBaine · March 2019

OmniDo wrote: »

Actually, he looks more like he took a bath in Flour, or perhaps some other substance...

ROFL! Yeah I also first thought that he looked like he'd just been rolling around in skooma. But right now it's still the best skin we have for this. Which is... really unfortunate.

Ysbriel · March 2019

Mgghool wrote: »

No. Vampires are unholy abominations and their wretched appearance is appropriate. You have the choice not to be vampire.

But they are also known to be able to hide their vampire nature, blending within the population, something that is not possible in this game no matter what makeup you use, the only thing that seems to work is skins and still it hints at the vampiric nature. Its part of their power its part of the lore

Hotdog_23 · March 2019

Just allow us to be able to hide looking like a vampire already, sell it as skin if you want.

MornaBaine · March 2019

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Just allow us to be able to hide looking like a vampire already, sell it as skin if you want.

Exactly this. I've been suggesting it since the cash shop became a thing. Even better? Not ONLY sell a normal looking skin for vamps (which would actually work like a toggle and of course they'd need a big red disclaimer saying it only works FOR vampires) but sell us OTHER types of vampire shins that allow us to vary the look. Who misses the glowing eyes from Skyrim? There's a LOT they could do here. And these skins could work for anyone. So if you're a crazy roleplayer like me and many others...and you just want to RP a vampire without actually BEING one... have at it!

starkerealm · March 2019

Ysbriel wrote: »

Mgghool wrote: »

No. Vampires are unholy abominations and their wretched appearance is appropriate. You have the choice not to be vampire.

But they are also known to be able to hide their vampire nature, blending within the population, something that is not possible in this game no matter what makeup you use, the only thing that seems to work is skins and still it hints at the vampiric nature. Its part of their power its part of the lore

Disguises also work. Though those come with other restrictions (all your cosmetic changes are reverted.)

SaintAemilian · January 2021

Sorry to necro this thread, but I had a similar question, and people like that *** *** me off.

SaintAemilian · January 2021

Ysbriel wrote: »

Mgghool wrote: »

No. Vampires are unholy abominations and their wretched appearance is appropriate. You have the choice not to be vampire.

But they are also known to be able to hide their vampire nature, blending within the population, something that is not possible in this game no matter what makeup you use, the only thing that seems to work is skins and still it hints at the vampiric nature. Its part of their power its part of the lore

Don't feed the trolls, please. They don't understand logic.

Vevvev · January 2021

I know this thread is necroed but it'd be nice if ZOS made the vampire appearance physically change your character instead of being a lazy skin. It worked 6 years ago, but with the new rework showing us biting into people the lack of fangs is a bit odd.

ZOS_ConnorG · January 2021

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