Please Allow My Vampire to Wear Makeup

Linaleah

Catulo wrote: »

Please allow my werewolf to hide his tail. And I don't like all the hair, so please let me hide his fur. Also, when I created my character, his nose wasn't as long as his snout is when he's in werewolf form. Can I get some makeup to hide his snout?

Actually, I want him to look like all the other players all the time, but still keep all the advantages of a werewolf.

not. even... remotely. the same.

you are NOT stuck in werewolf form permanently. until you hit your ultimate - you look EXACTLY THE SAME as players who are NOT weres.

Ashfen

Linaleah wrote: »

not. even... remotely. the same.

you are NOT stuck in werewolf form permanently. until you hit your ultimate - you look EXACTLY THE SAME as players who are NOT weres.

But the principle is the same, it's asking for something you can't have just because you want all the advantages but no the drawbacks.

"I play an orc for the passives, but why can't i look like a bosmer, that's so unfair !" For me it's the same thing ...

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

tizodd wrote: »

Before anyone says it...covering the pale, veiny vampire face IS NOT lore breaking or anything to that affect. After-all, we're playing a game where we can equip skins to make our character's skin look like molten lava among other things. Why can't we have the OPTION (if you like the vamp look, knock yourself out) to hide the vampire graphic?

You made a choice to get the benefits coming with Vampirism. Deal with it or get cure.

John_Falstaff

Mind, folks, many are pressed into this choice for the passives. A healer friend has to face absurdly stringent requirements in his trial guild, vampirism helps him get extra regen (and yes, all stats are dictated from above). So I can understand the pain.

As one of half measures - Amber Plasm skin from RoM puts orange paint blotches on your face, but it somehow makes the pale effect disappear. So you can give it a shot.

max_only

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Mind, folks, many are pressed into this choice for the passives. A healer friend has to face absurdly stringent requirements in his trial guild, vampirism helps him get extra regen (and yes, all stats are dictated from above). So I can understand the pain.

As one of half measures - Amber Plasm skin from RoM puts orange paint blotches on your face, but it somehow makes the pale effect disappear. So you can give it a shot.

Sounds like an argument for why vampire should be nerfed and class skills buffed, so people don’t feel pressured into using it............

We reduce the passives of vampire so we could buff the base damage of the classes; the overall dps should be within 1-2% of what it was before due to the buff of class skills. This means anyone who doesn’t become a vampire will see less of a DPS loss.

Skwor

Linaleah wrote: »

Androconium wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Genomic wrote: »

Ugh, it's hard to believe this thread is a discussion by adults. A protracted argument about dressup for your virtual dollies.

Says the grown-up "man" who still plays computer games? ;D

At what age is it appropriate to stop?

Your comment is somewhat offensive to those of us that played Star Wars, Galaxian and Mr Du as arcade games.
Without us, you wouldn't have all this now.

Vampires are pale and winnowy looking in real life. If you don't like the look, go and get cured.
The best vampire EVAH, was Bowie in 'The Hunger'.

in... real life.

vampires in... real life.

oookey.

hey, did you know that there is some sort of vampire like creature in just about every mythology in a world? and I do mean the world. the ONLY thing they have in common is drinking blood. there IS no unified "vampires are suppose to be like that " idea for vampires. and in ESO especially - there are so ... many... bloodlines that differ greatly, you cannot possible claim that "all vampire should function this way, and that's that" .

I mean... our specific player vampiric strain that descends directly from Lamae Bal doesn't even have sensitivity to sunlight. no burning in it, nothing. more powerful in a dark, but NOT weakened in a sun. THAT is official lore.

there is NOTHING in lore that says that player vampires HAVE to look ugly. its arbitrary. and negated by the fact that we can 1. wear skins and completely remove vampiric appearance effect - skins look exactly the same on vampires and non vampires
2. npc's do NOT react to player vampires in any negative way, they have no idea that player character in front of them is a vampire. and before you say anything about feeding - it constitutes an attack and reaction is exactly the same if you feed from an npc, vs stab them with a dagger. its NOT vampire specific.


STOP. USING. LORE. AS. EXCUSE. especialy when we have powerful vampires IN game that are able to hold glamour and hide their vampiric appearance entirely. and player vampires are supposed to be even MORE powerful, given that our vampirism is essentially undiluted - in order to become a full fledged vampire - every player (who didn't buy their vampirism from a crown store, but in terms of lore - its the same strain) has to be drained and refilled with Lamae's blood. every. single. one. to claim that player characters can't hold glamour is just laughable.

not even getting into completely uninformed opinions on what is and isn't possible with makeup.

ok i WILL get into it to a degree. properly applied foundation BLENDS INTO THE SKIN. you will not actualy see it becasue you are not supposed to see it. and here is something in lore that DOES support existence of foundation. facial tattoos. did you notice that they disappear if you use makeup facial markings? you can either have tattoos, or you can have lipstick and eyeshadow. not both. conclusion? makeup actively covers up tattoos, ergo we DO indeed have foundation type makeup in game.

Stop trying to insinuate lore allows it. The vampires you are talking about are a different breed than the player ones. Therefore the comparison is invalid.

Hand_Bacon

If all your vampire friends jumped off a cliff would you jump off a cliff too?

Of course not, because in "real life" (rofl) vampires can fly!


So vampires can fly in "real life" (rofl) and you should never put on make up while flying...its a public safety issue and one you knew when you became a vampire.

Petrus

[quote="Stop trying yo insinuate lore allows it. The vampires you are talking about are a different breed than the player ones. Therefore the comparason is invalid." [/quote]

Actually, we are the spawn of Lamae Bal, and she looks way better than the albino monstrosities vampire players become in this game, or that, at the very least, she has the ability to disguise her true appearance.

Therefore, as powerful vampire scions, imbued with a novel and exquisite mixture of undiluted Molae Bal's blood and chaotic creatia, it takes neither creativity nor poetic license to assume that vampire players, as per their bloodline, should look more like Lamae Bal than like Count Orlok.

Olith

None of my chars is a vampire, and when one got bitten, I took the poor thing to the vet. Generally, I'd prefer the game to be much stricter regarding appearance, for instance heavy gear should look heavy, cheap gear cheap, costumes/outfits should only be shown in towns and so on. But the designers decided otherwise, and it's their design, not mine, so I can't see why vampires should not get to look the way they want. We're already far beyond the point of "justified".

SpacemanSpiff1

ApostateHobo wrote: »

I don't really care if my character looks normal or not I just wish vampirism wouldn't hide my face and body markings.

this. im fine with pale, i just wanna see tattoos and makeup/paint. kinda ridiculous we're this far in and ZOS hasn't changed how vampires' skin works.

Hippie4927

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

ApostateHobo wrote: »

I don't really care if my character looks normal or not I just wish vampirism wouldn't hide my face and body markings.

this. im fine with pale, i just wanna see tattoos and makeup/paint. kinda ridiculous we're this far in and ZOS hasn't changed how vampires' skin works.

I third this ^^ I don't mind the pale, veiny look. I just want ALL lipsticks, eyeshadows, and tattoos to showup on my vamps.

Linaleah

Ashfen wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

not. even... remotely. the same.

you are NOT stuck in werewolf form permanently. until you hit your ultimate - you look EXACTLY THE SAME as players who are NOT weres.

But the principle is the same, it's asking for something you can't have just because you want all the advantages but no the drawbacks.

"I play an orc for the passives, but why can't i look like a bosmer, that's so unfair !" For me it's the same thing ...

except.. its NOT the same EVEN in principle.

Aixy

sulima wrote: »

A little dab will do ya! why not?

lol !!!

Linaleah

Skwor wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Androconium wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Genomic wrote: »

Ugh, it's hard to believe this thread is a discussion by adults. A protracted argument about dressup for your virtual dollies.

Says the grown-up "man" who still plays computer games? ;D

At what age is it appropriate to stop?

Your comment is somewhat offensive to those of us that played Star Wars, Galaxian and Mr Du as arcade games.
Without us, you wouldn't have all this now.

Vampires are pale and winnowy looking in real life. If you don't like the look, go and get cured.
The best vampire EVAH, was Bowie in 'The Hunger'.

in... real life.

vampires in... real life.

oookey.

hey, did you know that there is some sort of vampire like creature in just about every mythology in a world? and I do mean the world. the ONLY thing they have in common is drinking blood. there IS no unified "vampires are suppose to be like that " idea for vampires. and in ESO especially - there are so ... many... bloodlines that differ greatly, you cannot possible claim that "all vampire should function this way, and that's that" .

I mean... our specific player vampiric strain that descends directly from Lamae Bal doesn't even have sensitivity to sunlight. no burning in it, nothing. more powerful in a dark, but NOT weakened in a sun. THAT is official lore.

there is NOTHING in lore that says that player vampires HAVE to look ugly. its arbitrary. and negated by the fact that we can 1. wear skins and completely remove vampiric appearance effect - skins look exactly the same on vampires and non vampires
2. npc's do NOT react to player vampires in any negative way, they have no idea that player character in front of them is a vampire. and before you say anything about feeding - it constitutes an attack and reaction is exactly the same if you feed from an npc, vs stab them with a dagger. its NOT vampire specific.


STOP. USING. LORE. AS. EXCUSE. especialy when we have powerful vampires IN game that are able to hold glamour and hide their vampiric appearance entirely. and player vampires are supposed to be even MORE powerful, given that our vampirism is essentially undiluted - in order to become a full fledged vampire - every player (who didn't buy their vampirism from a crown store, but in terms of lore - its the same strain) has to be drained and refilled with Lamae's blood. every. single. one. to claim that player characters can't hold glamour is just laughable.

not even getting into completely uninformed opinions on what is and isn't possible with makeup.

ok i WILL get into it to a degree. properly applied foundation BLENDS INTO THE SKIN. you will not actualy see it becasue you are not supposed to see it. and here is something in lore that DOES support existence of foundation. facial tattoos. did you notice that they disappear if you use makeup facial markings? you can either have tattoos, or you can have lipstick and eyeshadow. not both. conclusion? makeup actively covers up tattoos, ergo we DO indeed have foundation type makeup in game.

Stop trying to insinuate lore allows it. The vampires you are talking about are a different breed than the player ones. Therefore the comparison is invalid.

vampires I'm talking about are WEAKER then player ones. player vampires, us, are SCIONS of Lamae Bal. the description in lore of player vampires is that WE are that powerful. no weakness from sunlight, etc etc.

players looking like they do is arbitrary, and CONTRARY to the lore.

Skwor

Petrus wrote: »

[quote="Stop trying yo insinuate lore allows it. The vampires you are talking about are a different breed than the player ones. Therefore the comparason is invalid."

Actually, we are the spawn of Lamae Bal, and she looks way better than the albino monstrosities vampire players become in this game, or that, at the very least, she has the ability to disguise her true appearance.

Therefore, as powerful vampire scions, imbued with a novel and exquisite mixture of undiluted Molae Bal's blood and chaotic creatia, it takes neither creativity nor poetic license to assume that vampire players, as per their bloodline, should look more like Lamae Bal than like Count Orlok.

[/quote]

No you are just trying to reinterpret the lore to suit you needs.

Regardless unless you want to accept that when you look normal you have no vampire buffs then you have no valid argument. You want it he same as for werewolves, fine.

Skwor

Linaleah wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Androconium wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Genomic wrote: »

Ugh, it's hard to believe this thread is a discussion by adults. A protracted argument about dressup for your virtual dollies.

Says the grown-up "man" who still plays computer games? ;D

At what age is it appropriate to stop?

Your comment is somewhat offensive to those of us that played Star Wars, Galaxian and Mr Du as arcade games.
Without us, you wouldn't have all this now.

Vampires are pale and winnowy looking in real life. If you don't like the look, go and get cured.
The best vampire EVAH, was Bowie in 'The Hunger'.

in... real life.

vampires in... real life.

oookey.

hey, did you know that there is some sort of vampire like creature in just about every mythology in a world? and I do mean the world. the ONLY thing they have in common is drinking blood. there IS no unified "vampires are suppose to be like that " idea for vampires. and in ESO especially - there are so ... many... bloodlines that differ greatly, you cannot possible claim that "all vampire should function this way, and that's that" .

I mean... our specific player vampiric strain that descends directly from Lamae Bal doesn't even have sensitivity to sunlight. no burning in it, nothing. more powerful in a dark, but NOT weakened in a sun. THAT is official lore.

there is NOTHING in lore that says that player vampires HAVE to look ugly. its arbitrary. and negated by the fact that we can 1. wear skins and completely remove vampiric appearance effect - skins look exactly the same on vampires and non vampires
2. npc's do NOT react to player vampires in any negative way, they have no idea that player character in front of them is a vampire. and before you say anything about feeding - it constitutes an attack and reaction is exactly the same if you feed from an npc, vs stab them with a dagger. its NOT vampire specific.


STOP. USING. LORE. AS. EXCUSE. especialy when we have powerful vampires IN game that are able to hold glamour and hide their vampiric appearance entirely. and player vampires are supposed to be even MORE powerful, given that our vampirism is essentially undiluted - in order to become a full fledged vampire - every player (who didn't buy their vampirism from a crown store, but in terms of lore - its the same strain) has to be drained and refilled with Lamae's blood. every. single. one. to claim that player characters can't hold glamour is just laughable.

not even getting into completely uninformed opinions on what is and isn't possible with makeup.

ok i WILL get into it to a degree. properly applied foundation BLENDS INTO THE SKIN. you will not actualy see it becasue you are not supposed to see it. and here is something in lore that DOES support existence of foundation. facial tattoos. did you notice that they disappear if you use makeup facial markings? you can either have tattoos, or you can have lipstick and eyeshadow. not both. conclusion? makeup actively covers up tattoos, ergo we DO indeed have foundation type makeup in game.

Stop trying to insinuate lore allows it. The vampires you are talking about are a different breed than the player ones. Therefore the comparison is invalid.

vampires I'm talking about are WEAKER then player ones. player vampires, us, are SCIONS of Lamae Bal. the description in lore of player vampires is that WE are that powerful. no weakness from sunlight, etc etc.

players looking like they do is arbitrary, and CONTRARY to the lore.

So basically you are saying player vampires, by your interpretation of the lore, should be as OP as an NPC diety.

Ya that will work in an MMO 😖

Guess I shoud greater than Molag Baal, after all I did defeat him.

Linaleah

Skwor wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Androconium wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Genomic wrote: »

Ugh, it's hard to believe this thread is a discussion by adults. A protracted argument about dressup for your virtual dollies.

Says the grown-up "man" who still plays computer games? ;D

At what age is it appropriate to stop?

Your comment is somewhat offensive to those of us that played Star Wars, Galaxian and Mr Du as arcade games.
Without us, you wouldn't have all this now.

Vampires are pale and winnowy looking in real life. If you don't like the look, go and get cured.
The best vampire EVAH, was Bowie in 'The Hunger'.

in... real life.

vampires in... real life.

oookey.

hey, did you know that there is some sort of vampire like creature in just about every mythology in a world? and I do mean the world. the ONLY thing they have in common is drinking blood. there IS no unified "vampires are suppose to be like that " idea for vampires. and in ESO especially - there are so ... many... bloodlines that differ greatly, you cannot possible claim that "all vampire should function this way, and that's that" .

I mean... our specific player vampiric strain that descends directly from Lamae Bal doesn't even have sensitivity to sunlight. no burning in it, nothing. more powerful in a dark, but NOT weakened in a sun. THAT is official lore.

there is NOTHING in lore that says that player vampires HAVE to look ugly. its arbitrary. and negated by the fact that we can 1. wear skins and completely remove vampiric appearance effect - skins look exactly the same on vampires and non vampires
2. npc's do NOT react to player vampires in any negative way, they have no idea that player character in front of them is a vampire. and before you say anything about feeding - it constitutes an attack and reaction is exactly the same if you feed from an npc, vs stab them with a dagger. its NOT vampire specific.


STOP. USING. LORE. AS. EXCUSE. especialy when we have powerful vampires IN game that are able to hold glamour and hide their vampiric appearance entirely. and player vampires are supposed to be even MORE powerful, given that our vampirism is essentially undiluted - in order to become a full fledged vampire - every player (who didn't buy their vampirism from a crown store, but in terms of lore - its the same strain) has to be drained and refilled with Lamae's blood. every. single. one. to claim that player characters can't hold glamour is just laughable.

not even getting into completely uninformed opinions on what is and isn't possible with makeup.

ok i WILL get into it to a degree. properly applied foundation BLENDS INTO THE SKIN. you will not actualy see it becasue you are not supposed to see it. and here is something in lore that DOES support existence of foundation. facial tattoos. did you notice that they disappear if you use makeup facial markings? you can either have tattoos, or you can have lipstick and eyeshadow. not both. conclusion? makeup actively covers up tattoos, ergo we DO indeed have foundation type makeup in game.

Stop trying to insinuate lore allows it. The vampires you are talking about are a different breed than the player ones. Therefore the comparison is invalid.

vampires I'm talking about are WEAKER then player ones. player vampires, us, are SCIONS of Lamae Bal. the description in lore of player vampires is that WE are that powerful. no weakness from sunlight, etc etc.

players looking like they do is arbitrary, and CONTRARY to the lore.

So basically you are saying player vampires, by your interpretation of the lore, should be as OP as an NPC diety.

Ya that will work in an MMO 😖

Guess I shoud greater than Molag Baal, after all I did defeat him.

what I'm saying is that player vampires should be able to WEAR MAKEUP and/or HOLD GLAMOUR. something that even weaker vampires can do.

tizodd

ZOS listened! (kinda )

For anyone interested, Arctic Rime Skin from the new Crown crates (Epic Rewards - 40 crown gems) seems to do the trick for the most part. It doesn't work well on characters with darker complexion (Redguard), but for "white" characters it all but covers the vampire look.

Thank you for being reasonable and meeting us halfway ZOS.

ghastley

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Androconium wrote: »

Vampires are pale and winnowy looking in real life.

I lol'd when I read that!

The whole concept of fictional vampirism derived from a genuine real-life disease. Light-sensitive skin and all the rest. Blood-sucking, though, wasn't part of it.

Leocaran

ghastley wrote: »

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Androconium wrote: »

Vampires are pale and winnowy looking in real life.

I lol'd when I read that!

The whole concept of fictional vampirism derived from a genuine real-life disease. Light-sensitive skin and all the rest. Blood-sucking, though, wasn't part of it.

Except that's not true because the disease is extremely rare even in regions where it appears most frequently. But myths and legends about blood-sucking monsters (including human-like) exist in all or almost all parts of the world.
It's actually the other way around: when superstitious people encounter a sick man, they can remember a myth and consider him a vampire (or some other monster like that).

SpiderKnight

tizodd wrote: »

ZOS listened! (kinda )

For anyone interested, Arctic Rime Skin from the new Crown crates (Epic Rewards - 40 crown gems) seems to do the trick for the most part. It doesn't work well on characters with darker complexion (Redguard), but for "white" characters it all but covers the vampire look.

Thank you for being reasonable and meeting us halfway ZOS.

I was only able to preview it quickly before I left home and I thought I noticed it hid vampire, but then I also noticed it might possibly make you look like the Twilight vampires? It doesn't sparkle like that does it?

tizodd

SpiderKnight wrote: »

tizodd wrote: »

ZOS listened! (kinda )

For anyone interested, Arctic Rime Skin from the new Crown crates (Epic Rewards - 40 crown gems) seems to do the trick for the most part. It doesn't work well on characters with darker complexion (Redguard), but for "white" characters it all but covers the vampire look.

Thank you for being reasonable and meeting us halfway ZOS.

I was only able to preview it quickly before I left home and I thought I noticed it hid vampire, but then I also noticed it might possibly make you look like the Twilight vampires? It doesn't sparkle like that does it?

I wouldn't call it sparkles...more like skin blotches (at least on my pc/graphics settings). It definitely gets rid of the veins, dark areas around the eyes, odd colored pupils, etc. I'm happy with the compromise for the most part. I'd love it if my vamps could just look the way I made them, but the Rime skin is close enough. (beggars can't be choosers lol)

MornaBaine

There's absolutely NO reason for there NOT to be a mortal-looking skin available.
1. there are already skins and armors that will hide the vampire skin so the lame argument of "in PVP we have to be able to tell who the vampires are" holds no water now and never did.
2. It is entirely lore appropriate for vampires to be able to visually blend among mortals. The game itself is FULL of such examples.

The fact that ZOS keeps ignoring this request for the past 5 years is inexcusable.

Omnia

Stage 4 Vampire with the new Arctic Rime Skin (40gems). This character is wearing lipstick and dark emphasis eyelashes. It should be noted it will look muddy if you have black tattoos. Also, I have not tried it on all races.

starkerealm

MornaBaine wrote: »

There's absolutely NO reason for there NOT to be a mortal-looking skin available.
1. there are already skins and armors that will hide the vampire skin so the lame argument of "in PVP we have to be able to tell who the vampires are" holds no water now and never did.
2. It is entirely lore appropriate for vampires to be able to visually blend among mortals. The game itself is FULL of such examples.

The fact that ZOS keeps ignoring this request for the past 5 years is inexcusable.

The PvP argument died when Dark Brotherhood dropped, and Vampirism no longer overrode the Mindshriven and Soulshriven skins.

RaddlemanNumber7

I bought the Arctic Rime skin. These pics were not taken in preview mode.
Everyone is wearing "Bronze color eyeshadow" and "Crimson Flame lipstick" for these screenshots.
Arctic Rime skin on the left, stage 4 vamp on the right.

Khajiit has pure white fur and blue eyes

Dunmer

Argonian

Breton

Tattoo visibility varied a lot. Bright and contrasting colours showed best. Dark coloured ones didn't show at all on the Argonian.

Can't believe two of them blinked when I took their picture, but I assume you know what stage 4 eyes look like

tizodd

MornaBaine wrote: »

There's absolutely NO reason for there NOT to be a mortal-looking skin available.
1. there are already skins and armors that will hide the vampire skin so the lame argument of "in PVP we have to be able to tell who the vampires are" holds no water now and never did.
2. It is entirely lore appropriate for vampires to be able to visually blend among mortals. The game itself is FULL of such examples.

The fact that ZOS keeps ignoring this request for the past 5 years is inexcusable.

Your points have been pointed out. I agree with you, and logic/reasoning agrees with you. But unfortunately there are always people out there who feel the need actively work against anything that doesn't benefit them (even if it also doesn't hurt them in any way).

I think ZOS wants to keep their playerbase happy but in situation like this, they're between a rock and hard place. ZOS needs subs from those unreasonable/selfish players too .

ZOS_Ragnar

We have removed some posts that were inappropriate and disrupted the discussion.

LittlePinkDot

I made my Dark elf vampire look good when I used the free race change token just to adjust her appearance. If you are vampire when you use the token, it still shows you as a vampire while you fiddle with your settings. I was able to find just the right settings to make her look good as a vampire. Stage 2 preferably.
Also she has crimson red lipstick and that smokey dark eyeshadow.

Gretzel

If you are Dunmer, just claim the red as your natural eye colour.