Grim focus.

SaintSubwayy · March 2019

ezio45 wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

this change is good and bad...in PVE where stamblades are overperforming it will have NO, ZERO, 0 efffect...since healers provide the same buff...so nothing change sin PVE...sNB still stronk like Huulk

can talk about PVP thou, but seeing gankblades 1 shooting ppl from stealth it seems kinda in the right direction, especially since the first skill out of cloak is a guaranteed crit.

no its not the right direction in pvp

first off you can gank on alot more than a nb. anything with a bow can gank and they dont even have to get close to you

Secondly then tone down the damage on the skills if there over preforming

3rd this isnt a nb exclusive issue all stam except stam sorc is over preforming compared

the skill is so overpowered atm because of the Directdmg meta we have atm...having Master at Arms CP give you up to 25% Direct dmg buff on such skills like focus proc in combo with a free 8% amp on a already hard hitting skill...this is the problem this skill gets nerfed.
too high baedmg, too strong modifiers which boost the already strong skill.

if they would tune down the skill by 15-20% ppl would still be crying that the skill got completly rekked.
without the change to minor berserk

jeah you can gank on all classes using a bow or any other skill...does it have the power a NB gank has? no it doesnt...nor does it have the escape capabilities of a NB.
Havent seen a DK ganker in PVP in like forever...NB as a class is to well defined in this direction.

Vapirko · March 2019

ezio45 wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

First of all this is unconfirmed, secondly Stamblades will be fine if it’s true.

ok what about magblade?

Ik zos likes to forget we exist but some of us are still here.

And even if stamblade is fine without it its still has been part of there class forever. Its something that makes nb a nb. If eith or the nb's are doing to much dmg then reduce the scaling on some of there abilities. But dont just start cutting out unique *** from the classes

Magblade needs a lot of work. The loss of grim focus shouldn't matter that much. This class is already dead in PvP. But, their damage isn't the issue, its their survivability.

Torbschka · March 2019

likecats wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

likecats wrote: »

I was initially disappointed, but after hearing some other rumors about balance changes, I think I can live with it as a pvp magblade.

Hopefully they'll find a way to not nerf magblade in PVP, but it's w/e if they actually push through with the rumors I've heard.

What other rumours?

Steel Tornado losing execute damage (other morphs still has it).
DK wings reduce projectile dmg by 50% and get all the secondary effects, but no cap anymore.
Snipe dmg reduced, and cast time shortened, so less burst. Major defile converted to minor defile.
Jabs being 1s instead of 1.1s, so it should sync up well. Many other abilities with weird cast times will also get this rounding treatment.
Snares being nerfed on grandscale.

These are rumors, so can't trust, but as a pvp magblade if these go through, i can live with losing 8% dmg.

Well, of course this will help magblade (im melee mnb) - but actually indirect, since its nerfing "other" things, not buffing mnb.

Other classes will profit from that too and as a melee mnb I would rather have something else (snare removal on concealed, major fracture in concealed or whatever). I use grim only for the 8%, barely fire the bow.

likecats · March 2019

Torbschka wrote: »

likecats wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

likecats wrote: »

I was initially disappointed, but after hearing some other rumors about balance changes, I think I can live with it as a pvp magblade.

Hopefully they'll find a way to not nerf magblade in PVP, but it's w/e if they actually push through with the rumors I've heard.

What other rumours?

Steel Tornado losing execute damage (other morphs still has it).
DK wings reduce projectile dmg by 50% and get all the secondary effects, but no cap anymore.
Snipe dmg reduced, and cast time shortened, so less burst. Major defile converted to minor defile.
Jabs being 1s instead of 1.1s, so it should sync up well. Many other abilities with weird cast times will also get this rounding treatment.
Snares being nerfed on grandscale.

These are rumors, so can't trust, but as a pvp magblade if these go through, i can live with losing 8% dmg.

Well, of course this will help magblade (im melee mnb) - but actually indirect, since its nerfing "other" things, not buffing mnb.

Other classes will profit from that too and as a melee mnb I would rather have something else (snare removal on concealed, major fracture in concealed or whatever). I use grim only for the 8%, barely fire the bow.

Magblade here as well. I'd love if they gave us a snare removal as well. I'd call it even at that point.

ezio45 · March 2019

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

this change is good and bad...in PVE where stamblades are overperforming it will have NO, ZERO, 0 efffect...since healers provide the same buff...so nothing change sin PVE...sNB still stronk like Huulk

can talk about PVP thou, but seeing gankblades 1 shooting ppl from stealth it seems kinda in the right direction, especially since the first skill out of cloak is a guaranteed crit.

no its not the right direction in pvp

first off you can gank on alot more than a nb. anything with a bow can gank and they dont even have to get close to you

Secondly then tone down the damage on the skills if there over preforming

3rd this isnt a nb exclusive issue all stam except stam sorc is over preforming compared

the skill is so overpowered atm because of the Directdmg meta we have atm...having Master at Arms CP give you up to 25% Direct dmg buff on such skills like focus proc in combo with a free 8% amp on a already hard hitting skill...this is the problem this skill gets nerfed.
too high baedmg, too strong modifiers which boost the already strong skill.

if they would tune down the skill by 15-20% ppl would still be crying that the skill got completly rekked.
without the change to minor berserk

jeah you can gank on all classes using a bow or any other skill...does it have the power a NB gank has? no it doesnt...nor does it have the escape capabilities of a NB.
Havent seen a DK ganker in PVP in like forever...NB as a class is to well defined in this direction.

1) were in a direct dmg meta? What server? I would love to got there? Cuz where im playing its heavy armor meta, bleeds and a glitched snipe meta.

2) Yes literally any stam class can stealth, theyve got like a 35K stam pool for sneak

3) Again what server are you on? There are tons of dk bow gank builds

bongtokin420insd16 · March 2019

lol no one runs bombblades anymore? it can't be totally dead.

ezio45 · March 2019

Vapirko wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

First of all this is unconfirmed, secondly Stamblades will be fine if it’s true.

ok what about magblade?

Ik zos likes to forget we exist but some of us are still here.

And even if stamblade is fine without it its still has been part of there class forever. Its something that makes nb a nb. If eith or the nb's are doing to much dmg then reduce the scaling on some of there abilities. But dont just start cutting out unique *** from the classes

Magblade needs a lot of work. The loss of grim focus shouldn't matter that much. This class is already dead in PvP. But, their damage isn't the issue, its their survivability.

im aware of that too but lets not compound the issue my making there dmg worse

ezio45 · March 2019

bongtokin420insd16 wrote: »

lol no one runs bombblades anymore? it can't be totally dead.

nah its pretty dead since nerfmire, literally the last bomblade i know quit and everyone else switched to a warden, cuz omg there just wasnt enough of them being a nightmare in pvp with spin to win bs

bongtokin420insd16 · March 2019

damn lol i was gonna eventually roll one to grief groups like i was griefed. oh well, movin on.

JinMori · March 2019

if they replace it with something else i'm fine with it, it's not a great loss, but it's not a small loss either, especially for pvp.

They could remove the need to cast the ability, or give another buff to it.

frostz417 · March 2019

NB tears incoming

Qbiken · March 2019

Turelus wrote: »

dogman wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Forums: NERF NIGHTBLADE IN PVE

Also Forums: DON'T TAKE AWAY OUR TINY BUFF TO NERF US!

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

They need to sell n-e-c-r-o-m-a-n-c-e-r, they won't stop. Since NB is most popular class, it was obvious choice for trashing.

The same was said about the Warden. Remember how great that class was at launch, how it killed the game and was so P2W (Pay 2 Warden as the meme was).

It truly shows how much a "community ambassador" knows about the game if you call 8% more damage done a "tiny buff"

That's why I'm a "community ambassador" and not a class rep.
The 8% will go, everyone will scream RIP Nightblade, say it's dead and not playable, etc. then six months from now no one will will care.
See almost every other balance change made in ESO.

People question the change because stamblade is not as affected by this as much as magblade. Magicka nigthblade has received numerous nerfs for several patches now. Magicka nightblade isn't overperforming in PvE, and from a PvP perspective it's sad to see how far they are in performance compared to other magicka classes, and their stamina counterpart.

It's difficult to balance stamblade and magblade, because almost every change you make to adjust stamblade, will come back and hit magblade even harder.

likecats · March 2019

Qbiken wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

dogman wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Forums: NERF NIGHTBLADE IN PVE

Also Forums: DON'T TAKE AWAY OUR TINY BUFF TO NERF US!

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

They need to sell n-e-c-r-o-m-a-n-c-e-r, they won't stop. Since NB is most popular class, it was obvious choice for trashing.

The same was said about the Warden. Remember how great that class was at launch, how it killed the game and was so P2W (Pay 2 Warden as the meme was).

It truly shows how much a "community ambassador" knows about the game if you call 8% more damage done a "tiny buff"

That's why I'm a "community ambassador" and not a class rep.
The 8% will go, everyone will scream RIP Nightblade, say it's dead and not playable, etc. then six months from now no one will will care.
See almost every other balance change made in ESO.

People question the change because stamblade is not as affected by this as much as magblade. Magicka nigthblade has received numerous nerfs for several patches now. Magicka nightblade isn't overperforming in PvE, and from a PvP perspective it's sad to see how far they are in performance compared to other magicka classes, and their stamina counterpart.

It's difficult to balance stamblade and magblade, because almost every change you make to adjust stamblade, will come back and hit magblade even harder.

Not if they remove major fracture instead of minor berserk.

frostz417 · March 2019

likecats wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

likecats wrote: »

I was initially disappointed, but after hearing some other rumors about balance changes, I think I can live with it as a pvp magblade.

Hopefully they'll find a way to not nerf magblade in PVP, but it's w/e if they actually push through with the rumors I've heard.

What other rumours?

Steel Tornado losing execute damage (other morphs still has it).
DK wings reduce projectile dmg by 50% and get all the secondary effects, but no cap anymore.
Snipe dmg reduced, and cast time shortened, so less burst. Major defile converted to minor defile.
Jabs being 1s instead of 1.1s, so it should sync up well. Many other abilities with weird cast times will also get this rounding treatment.
Snares being nerfed on grandscale.

These are rumors, so can't trust, but as a pvp magblade if these go through, i can live with losing 8% dmg.

Is there any proof of these rumors

likecats · March 2019

frostz417 wrote: »

likecats wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

likecats wrote: »

I was initially disappointed, but after hearing some other rumors about balance changes, I think I can live with it as a pvp magblade.

Hopefully they'll find a way to not nerf magblade in PVP, but it's w/e if they actually push through with the rumors I've heard.

What other rumours?

Steel Tornado losing execute damage (other morphs still has it).
DK wings reduce projectile dmg by 50% and get all the secondary effects, but no cap anymore.
Snipe dmg reduced, and cast time shortened, so less burst. Major defile converted to minor defile.
Jabs being 1s instead of 1.1s, so it should sync up well. Many other abilities with weird cast times will also get this rounding treatment.
Snares being nerfed on grandscale.

These are rumors, so can't trust, but as a pvp magblade if these go through, i can live with losing 8% dmg.

Is there any proof of these rumors

These are rumors, hence the name. 1 hour 5 mins in. For all I know, the dude could be lying, but I don't see why anyone would care to troll a small niche forum community.

SaintSubwayy · March 2019

ezio45 wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

this change is good and bad...in PVE where stamblades are overperforming it will have NO, ZERO, 0 efffect...since healers provide the same buff...so nothing change sin PVE...sNB still stronk like Huulk

can talk about PVP thou, but seeing gankblades 1 shooting ppl from stealth it seems kinda in the right direction, especially since the first skill out of cloak is a guaranteed crit.

no its not the right direction in pvp

first off you can gank on alot more than a nb. anything with a bow can gank and they dont even have to get close to you

Secondly then tone down the damage on the skills if there over preforming

3rd this isnt a nb exclusive issue all stam except stam sorc is over preforming compared

the skill is so overpowered atm because of the Directdmg meta we have atm...having Master at Arms CP give you up to 25% Direct dmg buff on such skills like focus proc in combo with a free 8% amp on a already hard hitting skill...this is the problem this skill gets nerfed.
too high baedmg, too strong modifiers which boost the already strong skill.

if they would tune down the skill by 15-20% ppl would still be crying that the skill got completly rekked.
without the change to minor berserk

jeah you can gank on all classes using a bow or any other skill...does it have the power a NB gank has? no it doesnt...nor does it have the escape capabilities of a NB.
Havent seen a DK ganker in PVP in like forever...NB as a class is to well defined in this direction.

1) were in a direct dmg meta? What server? I would love to got there? Cuz where im playing its heavy armor meta, bleeds and a glitched snipe meta.

2) Yes literally any stam class can stealth, theyve got like a 35K stam pool for sneak

3) Again what server are you on? There are tons of dk bow gank builds

The whole game is in a Direct DMG meta...when even Dotskills are used as spammabled, cause they have such a High firsthit (DirectDMG)...and Directdmg is responsible for more than 50% of DMG done, so yes we are in a direct DMG meta.
other metas like HA etc. are ofc aswell part of the problem...but ppl are running arround in HA due to the insanely high DMG output atm.

ofc you can stealth, but you dont have stuf flike Guaranteeed crit out of cloak, and no special skills to support your gank playstyle...possible Yes, effective in comparison to NB not really.

PC EU...not seen a DK ganker in ages in non CP pvp

Kulvar · March 2019

Funny thing. Necromancer has more Stam morphs than DK, Templar, or Nightblade.
What is the point ? Nerfing solo overland nightblades ?

Ohtimbar · March 2019

2019 isn't the year of the dragon, it's the year of the nerf.

kind_hero · March 2019

So annoying to read this thread, because none is willing to give the context of this so called nerf. I have no idea what you are talking about. Can someone explain?

ScruffyWhiskers · March 2019

I sure hope the patch notes are going up soon, like this Monday soon. Otherwise it is going to be drip drip drip and a lot of angst and flames on the boards. At least do a major combat changes article or something. I'm not sure this is the best way to do PR and reveal these things.

frostz417 · March 2019

likecats wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

likecats wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

likecats wrote: »

I was initially disappointed, but after hearing some other rumors about balance changes, I think I can live with it as a pvp magblade.

Hopefully they'll find a way to not nerf magblade in PVP, but it's w/e if they actually push through with the rumors I've heard.

What other rumours?

Steel Tornado losing execute damage (other morphs still has it).
DK wings reduce projectile dmg by 50% and get all the secondary effects, but no cap anymore.
Snipe dmg reduced, and cast time shortened, so less burst. Major defile converted to minor defile.
Jabs being 1s instead of 1.1s, so it should sync up well. Many other abilities with weird cast times will also get this rounding treatment.
Snares being nerfed on grandscale.

These are rumors, so can't trust, but as a pvp magblade if these go through, i can live with losing 8% dmg.

Is there any proof of these rumors

These are rumors, hence the name. 1 hour 5 mins in. For all I know, the dude could be lying, but I don't see why anyone would care to troll a small niche forum community.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/402688127

Thank you

Arkangeloski · April 2019

frostz417 wrote: »

likecats wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

likecats wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

likecats wrote: »

I was initially disappointed, but after hearing some other rumors about balance changes, I think I can live with it as a pvp magblade.

Hopefully they'll find a way to not nerf magblade in PVP, but it's w/e if they actually push through with the rumors I've heard.

What other rumours?

Steel Tornado losing execute damage (other morphs still has it).
DK wings reduce projectile dmg by 50% and get all the secondary effects, but no cap anymore.
Snipe dmg reduced, and cast time shortened, so less burst. Major defile converted to minor defile.
Jabs being 1s instead of 1.1s, so it should sync up well. Many other abilities with weird cast times will also get this rounding treatment.
Snares being nerfed on grandscale.

These are rumors, so can't trust, but as a pvp magblade if these go through, i can live with losing 8% dmg.

Is there any proof of these rumors

These are rumors, hence the name. 1 hour 5 mins in. For all I know, the dude could be lying, but I don't see why anyone would care to troll a small niche forum community.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/402688127

Thank you

April's fools?

kypranb14_ESO · April 2019

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

snip

ofc you can stealth, but you dont have stuf flike Guaranteeed crit out of cloak, and no special skills to support your gank playstyle...possible Yes, effective in comparison to NB not really.

Attacking with any stamina skill from stealth also guarantees a critical hit.

Aznarb · April 2019

I don't play NB so.. What is grim focus ?

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · April 2019

Aznarb wrote: »

I don't play NB so.. What is grim focus ?

An overpowered skill Nightblades are having, which if stacked properly one shoots almost everything.

https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Grim+Focus

which leads to this OVER powering morph, that nobody want's to mention in this very discussion

https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Relentless+Focus

Basically aside from the extra damage, it is 2 skills from other classes in 1 here.

Also can be obtained by other means like Combat Prayer, Cammo Hunter and Slimecraw set from WS1.

SoLooney · April 2019

Vildebill wrote: »

Well, I'm kind of in the middle here. The removal is good for stamblades since they are heavily overperforming, but magblades will suffer a lot if the change goes through. Hopefully they will balance it up in some other way, but something needs to be done with nightblade damage since it's exclusively nightblades in score pushing groups.

The removal of minor berserk from nightblades is just gonna make their solo parses lower, that's it. Stamblades are gonna stay top tier assuming healers dont have garbage uptime on combat prayer

And if its gonna be removed from nightblades. Remove it from wardens too

It's just a poor way to tone down nightblades

ESO_Nightingale · April 2019

ezio45 wrote: »

All of this is complete bull.

if its going to be removed from nb, you better remove it from warden. It was nb's thing first, without it grim focus is just a trash crystal frag. They are a burst class, they need that. Warden already has minor toughness as a class exclusive and now you want to give them berserk as a class exclusive.

Its just more of the same killing off class identity we have seen from you lately zos and it sucks.

If you think nb is going to much dmg tone down the scaling but they get to keep berserk.

And this isnt a "dont nerf me" thing. anyone who has been on this forum for .5s knows im a magsorc main

im just so tired of you guys taking away things that make a class unique from other classes. If you guys ever quit nerfing sorc long enough for me to actually git gud on it then I might pick up another class, and at that point what am I going to find? A ton of other classes that play exactly the same as the one I was just on with different pretty animations. If you keep this up you might as well just remove the classes all together because across the board there all gunna be the same.

Just because people whine about nb does not mean you start gutting what makes nb a nb

"You better remove it from warden"

XD

Vildebill · April 2019

SoLooney wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Well, I'm kind of in the middle here. The removal is good for stamblades since they are heavily overperforming, but magblades will suffer a lot if the change goes through. Hopefully they will balance it up in some other way, but something needs to be done with nightblade damage since it's exclusively nightblades in score pushing groups.

The removal of minor berserk from nightblades is just gonna make their solo parses lower, that's it. Stamblades are gonna stay top tier assuming healers dont have garbage uptime on combat prayer

And if its gonna be removed from nightblades. Remove it from wardens too

It's just a poor way to tone down nightblades

We'll see if it's a poor move or not (we don't even know if it's gonna be that way yet) but something needs to be done.

Some trials are too spread out to get a good uptime of minor berserk, and most dungeons can be done without a healer, so Combat Prayer is not guaranteed. But I get your point.

Mayrael · April 2019

Let's wait and see what they will throw at magblades in patch notes. Probably some "dev comments" explaining why they nerf magblades even more aka you should buy the necromancer class, because at this point playing magblade in PvP is pure masochism.

Most of the time you end locked in snares and roots, without cloak (s2w spam, beetles, jabs, taloons, streak, volatile armor, detect pots, mages light), without any other defense than dampen magic (shade failing to work, undo failing to work, healing ward lost its initial heal), yes you can try to roll dodge like 2 times but then you're going to be stun locked (talking about noCP). So what's left? Damage. Riiiight. Let's nerf it.

HappyLittleTree · April 2019

Damn it now my wet noodle nb hits even less (i somehow can't get past 35k on nb rotation^^)