Turelus wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

Zypheran wrote: »

Are these reps mainly to address combat elements or will you be appointing reps for other aspects also? I'm thinking specifically of housing.

That fits more to the community ambassador program I think. We're mostly there for the combat stuff.

Turelus said differently

Community Ambassadors are just people recognised as being helpful within the community and have a direct line to ZOS' community team.

We can send information to them regarding threads, bugs, exploits etc. in order to highlight them but generally we don't have any input in regards to development of ESO, no access to any development staff.

Any word on new forum pics?

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

NB tanking needs a class rep imho. "Sap" tank used to be awesome and unique way to play a tank role. Now NB tanking aside from normal base game dungeons it is pretty much dead...

Liofa has been trying to get these things in, but it's hard to get these "niche" things in as a priority focus. I loved NB tanking back then, but NB tank doesn have anything it really contributes or if it does, it isnt obvious enough...

Turelus wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

Zypheran wrote: »

Are these reps mainly to address combat elements or will you be appointing reps for other aspects also? I'm thinking specifically of housing.

That fits more to the community ambassador program I think. We're mostly there for the combat stuff.

Turelus said differently

Community Ambassadors are just people recognised as being helpful within the community and have a direct line to ZOS' community team.

We can send information to them regarding threads, bugs, exploits etc. in order to highlight them but generally we don't have any input in regards to development of ESO, no access to any development staff.

Since that's the case, it might indeed be a good idea for ZOS to consider either expanding the Class Rep program or creating a new Community Rep program to better address the areas where the community feels like their input in to development is neglected.

Unless, of course, the conversation would be more like:

"Sorry, we're trying to deal with technical limitations that so far prevent us from doing what you want"

Or, "Sorry, but that's our vision for how we're implementing X, Y, and Z. Dont expect changes."

Or even, "Sorry, we already got that from your communities' forum posts even though we didn't ever respond."

If ZOS knows that to be the case, it might not seem worth it.

an Important Question for prob many ppls is:

"Would you recommend joining the Class Rep programm?"

maybe a Classrep has an answer for that? @Liofa @Masel ?

Liofa wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

an Important Question for prob many ppls is:

"Would you recommend joining the Class Rep programm?"

maybe a Classrep has an answer for that?

Not unless you have the patience of a saint ^^

And if you wouldn't mind getting blamed by the community for everything

I hope we can get a few more people in there that know their way around the game's lore. It sometimes feels like the people there only play an MMO-noRP-G.

Checkmath wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

SaltySudd wrote: »

I would like to submit my application for the Lamb-to-the-slaughter Rep program

Liofa wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

an Important Question for prob many ppls is:

"Would you recommend joining the Class Rep programm?"

maybe a Classrep has an answer for that?

Not unless you have the patience of a saint ^^

And if you wouldn't mind getting blamed by the community for everything

havent seem much classrep blaming lately...they give input, but in the end its ZOS desicion...so they actually cant do much to prevent certain changes etc.

Not that much blaming lately right, but still drama evolves quite fast as soon as somebody has a different vision that a rep.

If I recommend joining the class reps? Sure! It is a ton of fun in this group and it is very interesting to learn more about the devs point of view. But it is also quite some work (depending where you get your feedback from). I see it as a hobby, to talk with the people about classes, exchanging ideas, making suggestions, etc. The devs are open for all that stuff, but that doesnt mean it will get in the game.

So yes, I recommend joining the team, if you have enough time to do so, if you have fun talking about the game, if you can handle some drama and critics....and if you really want to do something for the game.

I dont think anyone of us has ever been blamed for changes no seriously, it is a very cool experience, but as Check said, as soon as you start becoming one of us, be careful where to voice your opinion. You have to behave sort of like a Dev. Say things that are commonly agreed on (like nerf sorc or let's remove everything but NB dds) and then you're fine.

Other than that, we have a pretty nice group going right now, it's a very open-minded environment, so yes i'd recommend it.

@Liam12548
Your time has come.

the ability for a person to inject their own opinion to developers, and claim it is the wishes of the community, encourages me to believe that the program shouldn't exist.

Gilvoth wrote: »

can we please have an email letter that we fill out that answers the questions and gives our opinions sent to us instead of this class rep program?
that way the actual feelings of the entire community could be seen rather than a few peoples personal opinions be seen.

Something like the Class Rep Feedback Form? Or their Discords? https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416444/eso-class-representative-program-feedback-channels
@Masel I hope this is still accurate! If not, is there a better source to point people to?

Gilvoth wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

can we please have an email letter that we fill out that answers the questions and gives our opinions sent to us instead of this class rep program?
that way the actual feelings of the entire community could be seen rather than a few peoples personal opinions be seen.

Something like the Class Rep Feedback Form? Or their Discords?

no, not at all what i am asking the developers.
let me be as clear as possible.

i am asking the developers to send us (each account on the elderscrolls online database) a personal email that has all the questions about upcoming changes and ideas that are in the future patches, as well as a small space to write changes we personally have about our desires for changes. instead of having a class rep do it for us, and not a discord.
im talking about an email.
the reason is as i listed earlier:

"that the ability for a person to inject their own opinion to developers, and claim it is the wishes of the community, encourages me to believe that the program shouldn't exist."

i hope that answered your question and made it more clear what i was asking the developers for.

Yeah, and someone will read all these wonderful ideas from all these Gilvoths like Santa Claus reads all the letters from all the kids, right?

Gilvoth wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

can we please have an email letter that we fill out that answers the questions and gives our opinions sent to us instead of this class rep program?
that way the actual feelings of the entire community could be seen rather than a few peoples personal opinions be seen.

Something like the Class Rep Feedback Form? Or their Discords?

no, not at all what i am asking the developers.
let me be as clear as possible.

i am asking the developers to send us (each account on the elderscrolls online database) a personal email that has all the questions about upcoming changes and ideas that are in the future patches, as well as a small space to write changes we personally have about our desires for changes. instead of having a class rep do it for us, and not a discord.
im talking about an email.
the reason is as i listed earlier:

"that the ability for a person to inject their own opinion to developers, and claim it is the wishes of the community, encourages me to believe that the program shouldn't exist."

i hope that answered your question and made it more clear what i was asking the developers for.

That method sounds like the Devs would have to wade through an enormous amount of trolling, junk, useless feedback and just plain inexperienced players' opinions on L2Play issues. Sturgeon's Law is a thing. The Class Reps generally match ZOS' vision for players that are experienced with all levels of content and the two gameplay modes that ZOS balances together: PVE and PVP. The majority of players in ESO do not fit that bill in one way or another, nor do we have any knowledge of ZOS' direction for development so even more of our survey feedback would be useless to the Devs.

I mean, if you want a place to express your opinion where the Devs can see it if they want, you've got the forums, right here. (Which, I love the forums, but we get a lot of trolliing, junk, useless feedback, and just plain inexperienced players' opinions on L2Play issues mixed in with the good stuff.)

The Class Rep program is clearly in addition to the forums, allowing the Reps to take community feedback and relay it to the Devs with the two-way communication between them and Devs in mind.

There's always a trade-off between having a group large enough to not form an echo chamber and a group small enough to actually get quality feedback and get stuff done. Its nice to see the Class Rep program expanding. But I don't think we need to flip it around and overwhelm the Devs with a playerbase-wide survey that's going to provide an awful lot of proof that Sturgeon's Law is a thing.