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Petless Magsorc pvp, how to do?
dazee
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I want to make a pvp setup for my dps magsorc but I dont know how to do it without getting cancer (pet build) anyone know a good petless magsorc pvp setup? bonus points if its destro destro as I curuently do not have the skill points for resto. a build which is destro resto would still be helpful however if you have one.
Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.
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StormeReigns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This is what i run my PvP mag sorc as, not the best, but it does pretty good when groups are clustered together, also fun.
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=130307
Edit: on phone + fat fingers.Edited by StormeReigns on March 24, 2019 8:05PM0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Pretty standard stuff, really.
5 Shackle, 5 Lich, 2 Chudan/Zaan/Shadowrend, 1 Master's Staff. Master inferno, Lich staff resto or ice. If you don't have a Master's, use Willpower or even a second Lich staff.
Curse, Frag, Fury, Reach, Streak, Boundless, Hardened, Harness, Healing, Conversion. Atronach/Meteor and Light's Champion/Redo.
Use Chudan+Willpower+Cage/Drain+Force Pulse if you don't have a Master staff. Use Zaan for open world and Shadowrend for duels. Bloodspawn is also very, very good.Edited by Lord-Otto on March 24, 2019 9:37PM2 -
Apherius✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Pretty standard stuff, really.
5 Shackle, 5 Lich, 2 Chudan/Zaan/Shadowrend, 1 Master's Staff. Master inferno, Lich staff resto or ice. If you don't have a Master's, use Willpower or even a second Lich staff.
Curse, Frag, Fury, Reach, Streak, Boundless, Hardened, Harness, Healing, Conversion. Atronach/Meteor and Light's Champion/Redo.
Use Chudan+Willpower+Cage/Drain+Force Pulse if you don't have a Master staff. Use Zaan for open world and Shadowrend for duels.
Bloodspawn is also a great monster set on magsorc ^^Edited by Apherius on March 24, 2019 9:04PM2 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Pretty standard stuff, really.
5 Shackle, 5 Lich, 2 Chudan/Zaan/Shadowrend, 1 Master's Staff. Master inferno, Lich staff resto or ice. If you don't have a Master's, use Willpower or even a second Lich staff.
Curse, Frag, Fury, Reach, Streak, Boundless, Hardened, Harness, Healing, Conversion. Atronach/Meteor and Light's Champion/Redo.
Use Chudan+Willpower+Cage/Drain+Force Pulse if you don't have a Master staff. Use Zaan for open world and Shadowrend for duels.
Bloodspawn is also a great monster set on magsorc ^^
TOTALLY! Can't believe I forgot that!
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dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Hmm well I have a bunch of bloodspawn shoulders lying around I'd just need to go get another helmet.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.0 -
Neloth✭✭✭✭I recommend still try to play single-pet matriarch build
it doesn’t feel very different compared to petless magsorc, since you:
- don’t lose a lot of bar space compared to pve pet builds, while you get a great heal and nice dot
- have actually the same bars except having a pet instead on healing and harness wards
- don’t have to slot other healing and defensive skills (rapid regen, healing ward, harness, blessing, surge)
- get tons of stats from pet passive and access to necropotencre
- you can leave shieldstaking in the past
- if you don’t want to be “cancerous” for some reason, just don’t use atro, shadowrend and pet curse with this setup
Another advice - don’t slot endless fury outside of BGs, it’s trash rn. Better use elemental drain/crushing shock/mage light/dark deal if you have bar space
Imho, people playing magsorc without matriarch and complaining about their spec look like stamdens playing without subassault and asking for buffs (stupid, yes)4 -
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✭The think with pet-less mag sorc is that the only defensive mechanism it's got is Hardened Ward.
Hardened ward scales of magica only, that means you need to stack lots of magica to make Hardened Ward good.
And here is problem nr.1: There are no sets in the game that gives you good raw max magica. Even Necropotence is short on magica it gives (if you compare it with the stamina counterparts that gives weapon damage)
Problem nr.2 Max magica cannot be buffed unlike spell damage. It is impossible to bust up your magica by 20% (maybe possible, but you need to cripple your bars even worse than with pets).
Problem Nr3. you can stack spell damage and heal with resto tree. Probably you could make it work. Problem is that the same build will do much better on any class than mag-sorc.
And right there is your dead end, you won't keep up on a pet-less sorc against stamina builds with 6k+ weapon damage or to nasty nasty proc builds
Cheers and good luck.
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✭✭✭✭✭Who told you pet builds are "cancer"? When a pet build can out burst a stamblade or stamden, then we can talk about cancer.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE0 -
ku5h✭✭✭✭✭
✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Who told you pet builds are "cancer"? When a pet build can out burst a stamblade or stamden, then we can talk about cancer.
It's cancer because it's viable. Anything on Sorc that is viable is by default cancer.
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with the amount of DKs running around, master reach usage is at least questionable imho
You can be better with force pulse + reach/cage/streak/DW for cc, and that's where BT shines
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✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Who told you pet builds are "cancer"? When a pet build can out burst a stamblade or stamden, then we can talk about cancer.
i mean there up there
not quite as bad as stamblade, heavy armor meta, bleeds. but there up there. Its really only the zoo build thats a problem and really only in bgs0 -
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Lich beats Bright-Throat in sustain by a mile. It's more about the max mag BT gives.0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
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with the amount of DKs running around, master reach usage is at least questionable imho
You can be better with force pulse + reach/cage/streak/DW for cc, and that's where BT shines
Won't kill a good DK too easily and makes you quite vulnerable to the other classes. Just streak away from mag DKs.1 -
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✭My current Setup (Pet, matriach)
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=104612
Basicly Chudan, Necro, Armor Master and Master Inferno.1 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Who told you pet builds are "cancer"? When a pet build can out burst a stamblade or stamden, then we can talk about cancer.
It's cancer because it's viable. Anything on Sorc that is viable is by default cancer.
It’s cancer because you can’t target the sorc, not because it’s “viable.” Pet builds are generally trash; they merely benefit from the free mitigation that pets provide.
OP, are you playing in CP or no-CP?
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WuffyCerulei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I can’t blame ya. I started using 5 Bright-Throat, 5 Spinners, 1 vMA resto staff, and an AS fire staff (I use perfected, but normal works too). Front bar is Endless Fury, Crushing Shock, Crystal Frags, Hardened Ward, Flex spot (Inner light, rune cage, etc,), and Shooting Star. Back bar is Haunting Curse, Healing Ward, Mutagen, Boundless Storm, Streak, and Negate or Resto ulti. The sustain is pretty decent, and it’s different from the usual Shacklebreaker, Lich, Monster Helm of choice, and Master inferno build."Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
Bring Back Pure Class Build Power0 -
Betty_Booms✭✭✭In no cp matriach is a must imo. The extra stats and that heal is hard to pass up. Its not a zoo so not obnoxious. Also Necro and BTB paired together are quite strong. High magicka for shields plus good sustain and in light for that damage.
Also gives room for monster helm choices. Complete offensive or more defense.
I like offense
Happy hunting.1 -
NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I recommend still try to play single-pet matriarch build
it doesn’t feel very different compared to petless magsorc, since you:
- don’t lose a lot of bar space compared to pve pet builds, while you get a great heal and nice dot
- have actually the same bars except having a pet instead on healing and harness wards
- don’t have to slot other healing and defensive skills (rapid regen, healing ward, harness, blessing, surge)
- get tons of stats from pet passive and access to necropotencre
- you can leave shieldstaking in the past
- if you don’t want to be “cancerous” for some reason, just don’t use atro, shadowrend and pet curse with this setup
Another advice - don’t slot endless fury outside of BGs, it’s trash rn. Better use elemental drain/crushing shock/mage light/dark deal if you have bar space
Imho, people playing magsorc without matriarch and complaining about their spec look like stamdens playing without subassault and asking for buffs (stupid, yes)
Enjoy your mobile pillar of LOSFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
Pdoherty4637_ESO✭✭✭My two cents: master lightning with clench on sorc is way better than inferno and I have no idea why people would take flame reach over shock clench especially now the clench explosion can crit and given the lack of useful ranged ultimates (meteor is not worth it imo and dawnbeaker has by far been the most effective for me). Also, the only true single target damage most sorcerers have is frag so the 8% aoe damage from lightning staff will net you more damage than the 8% single target buff from flame, plus all shock abilities get a 5% buff from sorc passives.Edited by Pdoherty4637_ESO on March 26, 2019 10:50PM0 -
Neloth✭✭✭✭I recommend still try to play single-pet matriarch build
it doesn’t feel very different compared to petless magsorc, since you:
- don’t lose a lot of bar space compared to pve pet builds, while you get a great heal and nice dot
- have actually the same bars except having a pet instead on healing and harness wards
- don’t have to slot other healing and defensive skills (rapid regen, healing ward, harness, blessing, surge)
- get tons of stats from pet passive and access to necropotencre
- you can leave shieldstaking in the past
- if you don’t want to be “cancerous” for some reason, just don’t use atro, shadowrend and pet curse with this setup
Another advice - don’t slot endless fury outside of BGs, it’s trash rn. Better use elemental drain/crushing shock/mage light/dark deal if you have bar space
Imho, people playing magsorc without matriarch and complaining about their spec look like stamdens playing without subassault and asking for buffs (stupid, yes)
Enjoy your mobile pillar of LOS
"omg engine guardian is op nerf it immediately"
said noone competent
is los of a single pet (engine/matriarch/scamp) annoying? a bit. OP? not even close
when combined with atro and more pets - it's a different story, but I have mentioned that in my original post
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Neloth✭✭✭✭makes you quite vulnerable to the other classes
how so? You just sacrifice one utility skill (surge/magelight/fury) to have both crushing and reach slotted
yes, you lose 1 skill slot, but obtain better set options than lich + master destro, together with better spammable
I can't say magsorc struggles from bar space issue as it used to beWon't kill a good DK too easily
you won't kill anything "good" easily, what's the point here?
current matriarch builds with crushing shock, atro, pet curse and shadowrend allows you to duel any open world spec (including magDKs) at least on pair, but in most situations with your advantageEdited by Neloth on March 25, 2019 5:52PM0 -
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✭Pdoherty4637_ESO wrote: »My two cents: master lightning with clench on sorc is way better than inferno and I have no idea why people would take flame reach over shock clench especially now the clench explosion can crit and given the lack of useful ranged ultimates (meteor is not worth it imo and dawnbeaker has by far been the most effective for me). Also the only true single target damage most sorcerers have is frag so the 8% aoe damage will net you more than the and 8% single target and all shock abilities get a 5% buff from sorc passives.
Reason why so many ppl on sorcs using Flame staff is it buffs your Direct Damage skills by 8%
This increases mostly used skills like: frags, curse, fury, force Shock, reach (initial hit) and light + heavy attacks
Also Flame reach is good too. If timed - Daedric curse+ flame reach+light attack(+infused proc)+frags+ fury - it can melt most of players.
Edit: saying curse isnt good skill isnt right. Because mostly curse+force shock is only real weapon to fight with winged Dks. Timing your bursts was always sorc playstyle and it still is.
Can you tell us which aoe skills you use in pvp? (you can also specify your playstyle)Edited by Anyron on March 25, 2019 9:19PM3 -
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✭✭✭makes you quite vulnerable to the other classes
how so? You just sacrifice one utility skill (surge/magelight/fury) to have both crushing and reach slotted
yes, you lose 1 skill slot, but obtain better set options than lich + master destro, together with better spammable
I can't say magsorc struggles from bar space issue as it used to beWon't kill a good DK too easily
you won't kill anything "good" easily, what's the point here?
current matriarch builds with crushing shock, atro, pet curse and shadowrend allows you to duel any open world spec (including magDKs) at least on pair, but in most situations with your advantage
It sounded differently. If you're using only Force Pulse, that one slot is affordable.
Still can't be bothered having my light attacks and Frags reflected back at me while also receiving 25% more damage from being a vampire. It's lame, so I counter my counter by countering their lack of mobility. *shrugs*
Ah yah, having pets fight for you is also lame. Truth be told, ESO's combat as a whole has become lame since Morrowind.
Urgh. And you can't summon pets in the Pre-Elsweyr quest. God, ZOS will never get those things right... *facepalm*Edited by Lord-Otto on March 26, 2019 2:53AM1
