Event Ticket System Suggestions

reoskit · January 2019

In a related, but separate vein to this other thread...

For those that care about the Indriks:

There are two issues with the way the event ticket/berry/feather mechanics work that seem designed to push you to use tickets on things you may not want, and which make timing/planning of your resources essential in the upcoming events.

It's easier to go at these issues by presenting the solutions, then what they solve.

1. Remove the ticket cap.
- This system is *extensively* reliant on tickets. (360 for all unlockable mounts)
- The *events* are already capped on how many tickets we can earn. Let us earn them.
- We may even participate more if we're not capped; some folks stopped running events when they got to 12/12.
- We wouldn't be forced to buy something we don't want, simply to get rid of tickets to make room for... more tickets.
- We can buy when we're ready. No need to monitor which berries/feathers we've already bought, no need to take up item slots with unique items.

2. Remove the quarterly dump of the berry fragments.
- Say you've bought 3/4 berries you need for an evolution, but you're unable to attend the final event of the quarter. You're on the hook for 30 tickets spent - and you'll never be able to use those berries.
- Why is it now/never? This sense of immediacy isn't necessary. If we have tickets to spend, let us buy in the order we like.

We're being pushed to spend the 12 tickets we have as fast as we can. At some point, we're going to be up against the end of a quarter and not have the perfect combination of tickets/feathers/berries to unlock whichever mount. Which, of course, means you'll turn to the crown store to use real money to buy your way out of this situation. When looking at the big picture, this feels like the whole point. And that's a bit cringy.

Tommy_The_Gun · January 2019

Yep. 12 event tickets cap is a joke. They should either remove the cap or just move it WAY UP to like 120...

AcadianPaladin · January 2019

Though I generally enjoy most of the events, some of them I do not. And that is fine. But the points OP brings up are good points. Frankly, I have lost interest in ever 'evolving' the indrik as the tix/feathers/berries details have gotten to the point of rather making my head hurt. My elf will happily stick with her precious mare and only do event quests if/when the mood strikes her without regard to what/if any rewards accrue.

zaria · January 2019

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Yep. 12 event tickets cap is a joke. They should either remove the cap or just move it WAY UP to like 120...

Yes, as its now you either have to buy feathers or loose them.
Now i can understand the cap on transmute stones, they don't want people to have 1000 crystals and run an new dlc dungeon twice to gear up with perfect gear. (looking at the +20 geodes on an alt, that did not work so well

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But this is an fun mount and main purpose is to get players who don't play often to play more. No they are not experts in how the game work so why make stuff complex. its enough of an grind already. you can always make the late berries more expensive or add some recolor.

Elsonso · January 2019

reoskit wrote: »

We're being pushed to spend the 12 tickets we have as fast as we can. At some point, we're going to be up against the end of a quarter and not have the perfect combination of tickets/feathers/berries to unlock whichever mount. Which, of course, means you'll turn to the crown store to use real money to buy your way out of this situation. When looking at the big picture, this feels like the whole point. And that's a bit cringy.

The ZOS monetization team runs this game, and this was the plan from the start. I got off the Event Ticket / mount elevator today. I have the mount. I never plan to spend another event ticket. I will just let them fall off the top if I get more than 12 of them. I encourage others to stop worrying about them, too. It is just another grind, and with a cash exit strategy, as you said.

reoskit · March 2019

reoskit wrote: »

At some point, we're going to be up against the end of a quarter and not have the perfect combination of tickets/feathers/berries to unlock whichever mount. Which, of course, means you'll turn to the crown store to use real money to buy your way out of this situation. When looking at the big picture, this feels like the whole point. And that's a bit cringy.

250 crowns per ticket.

When do I get to say "I told you so"? In 2 weeks? Ok. I'll be here, ready and waiting.

code65536 · March 2019

+1

Kiralyn2000 · March 2019

Eh, I think the cap makes sense. The idea of the whole thing is to encourage you to participate in the events. But they know that not everyone can/wants to do all of them, so they give you a bit over one "event prize" worth of carryover - if you have to skip an event, you have the 10 tickets you need to buy that event's feather or berry.

Of course, I'm not as invested in the whole thing, since I'm not bothering with the mount. And I certainly don't see why you need to get all of them. The design of the whole thing seems more like it's aimed at the person going for one specific mount, not the fringe collector. /shrug

Taleof2Cities · March 2019

No one, especially not ZOS, is forcing players to buy tickets in the Crown Store.

It’s players’ failed ticket strategy that is causing these unnecessary threads.

reoskit · March 2019

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

It’s players’ failed ticket strategy that is causing these unnecessary threads.

It's rude to come here and say a thread is unnecessary; if you're not interested in the topic, don't participate.

"Ticket strategy" <- that. Right there. That's my point.

I'm pointing out that the system is designed to be unnecessarily difficult to come up with the right combination/timing, thus leading to crown sales. Neither of my suggestions hurt those of us who plan well, they only serve to make this a bit easier for people who are actually participating in events. I find it questionable that this level of planning is required, given that the only reason it's necessary is because of the two above limitations imposed.

Fwiw, I strategized perfectly and have exactly what I need/want, including all the feathers for another mount. So, this isn't one of those "woe is me" threads. I can see beyond my own situation.

Michae · March 2019

Shills defending scummy practices. Just put the items on sale, no strings attached. This is designed to be overly complicated to put people on hook, same as gambling crates. I didn't have problem getting tickets so far but I wouldn't be surprised if they became more scarce now that you can buy them. Or the price of all items that you can get will be higher than all possible tickets. Just let people complain, maybe it'll spark something better.

Danikat · March 2019

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Eh, I think the cap makes sense. The idea of the whole thing is to encourage you to participate in the events. But they know that not everyone can/wants to do all of them, so they give you a bit over one "event prize" worth of carryover - if you have to skip an event, you have the 10 tickets you need to buy that event's feather or berry.

Of course, I'm not as invested in the whole thing, since I'm not bothering with the mount. And I certainly don't see why you need to get all of them. The design of the whole thing seems more like it's aimed at the person going for one specific mount, not the fringe collector. /shrug

Agreed.

I think this process has been less stressful for me than a lot of people because I went into it wanting the Dawnwood Indrik and maybe the black one, but happy to skip the others, which meant I wasn't too worried about missing tickets, or being able to get more tickets than I could use (not that I've had that problem). So far it's worked out quite well for me - I've got the nascent, 3/4 berries and 12 tickets so as soon as I get home tonight I'll have the Dawnwood and I've already got 3/4 feathers for another nascent, meaning I should have that by the end of the Jester's Festival. And that's in spite of missing odd days from several festivals and most of New Life.

Based on that I probably could get all 5 if I wanted to. But I don't particularly like the gold one and I'd only get it to finish the set, and the summer is usually a very busy time for me so that's when I'm most likely to miss events. I suppose that's worked out well - the one I'm least likely to get is the one I want least but I do kind of wish it had been the last in line so I'd know if I had the other 3 and therefore if it's worth getting.

This system has however been very effective in getting me to participate in events. Previously I'd skip the vast majority of them because double the rewards we can get at any other time really isn't exciting to me, especially when it often means fighting against other players to tag enemies and complete quests (I'll never understand why nodes for the "collect X mcguffins" quests have to disappear if one person uses them - does it really hurt anyone if two people are able to pick berries from the same bush?). The only ones I'd bother with normally are New Life and the Jester's Festival which actually have unique festival content. Otherwise I might happen to do a daily quest during a festival but I wouldn't go out of my way to do it.

Unfortunately for ZOS because the activities themselves are of no interest to me that means I'm going to stop doing them as soon as there aren't tickets rewards I want. But I guess whether that's a problem depends on whether they want numbers showing lots of people in their designated event area or if they really belief people like me just didn't know that getting slightly more stuff for the same old daily quests is supposed to be more fun than playing normally.

Taleof2Cities · March 2019

reoskit wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

It’s players’ failed ticket strategy that is causing these unnecessary threads.

It's rude to come here and say a thread is unnecessary; if you're not interested in the topic, don't participate.

Am I being rude or am I being brutally honest??

Because players have had THREE (3) super easy events this quarter to accumulate the tickets they need for berries.

I have no sympathy for players who did not strategize their ticket count for the quarter.

reoskit · March 2019

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

reoskit wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

It’s players’ failed ticket strategy that is causing these unnecessary threads.

It's rude to come here and say a thread is unnecessary; if you're not interested in the topic, don't participate.

Am I being rude or am I being brutally honest??

Because players have had THREE (3) super easy events this quarter to accumulate the tickets they need for berries.

I have no sympathy for players who did not strategize their ticket count for the quarter.

You're being rude. And not actually addressing the same points I am. So I'm done.

code65536 · March 2019

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

No one, especially not ZOS, is forcing players to buy tickets in the Crown Store.

It’s players’ failed ticket strategy that is causing these unnecessary threads.

So what about someone who diligently participated in every event this year and last. But has to go away on a trip during the Jester's Festival? They can't log in, can't claim the 4th berry, and that 4th berry will not return after Jester's. So... what, is that a "failed ticket strategy"?

The absurd ticket cap and the "this item will never come back" are patently player-hostile features of this whole ticket system. It doesn't make the system fun--it just makes it frustrating for people.

Kiralyn2000 · March 2019

code65536 wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

No one, especially not ZOS, is forcing players to buy tickets in the Crown Store.

It’s players’ failed ticket strategy that is causing these unnecessary threads.

So what about someone who diligently participated in every event this year and last. But has to go away on a trip during the Jester's Festival? They can't log in, can't claim the 4th berry, and that 4th berry will not return after Jester's. So... what, is that a "failed ticket strategy"?

The absurd ticket cap and the "this item will never come back" are patently player-hostile features of this whole ticket system. It doesn't make the system fun--it just makes it frustrating for people.

Eh, welcome to online game events? People have been missing out on "limited time" or "limited access" items in MMOs and other online games for over a decade, long before "scummy cash shop practices." Nothing new here.

If I can't log in during Star Trek Online's Winter/Summer/Anniversary events, I can't get the 'free' ships. I missed a variety of "events" in my time playing WoW. I've missed all sorts of things by skipping "seasons" of Diablo 3 and Path Of Exile. Etc, etc, etc.

And the more "live games" that happen, the more you'll run into this. (Heck, Final Fantasy 15 was a single player console JRPG - and it had limited time events that gave costumes & other stuff.)

code65536 · March 2019

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

No one, especially not ZOS, is forcing players to buy tickets in the Crown Store.

It’s players’ failed ticket strategy that is causing these unnecessary threads.

So what about someone who diligently participated in every event this year and last. But has to go away on a trip during the Jester's Festival? They can't log in, can't claim the 4th berry, and that 4th berry will not return after Jester's. So... what, is that a "failed ticket strategy"?

The absurd ticket cap and the "this item will never come back" are patently player-hostile features of this whole ticket system. It doesn't make the system fun--it just makes it frustrating for people.

Eh, welcome to online game events? People have been missing out on "limited time" or "limited access" items in MMOs and other online games for over a decade, long before "scummy cash shop practices." Nothing new here.

If I can't log in during Star Trek Online's Winter/Summer/Anniversary events, I can't get the 'free' ships. I missed a variety of "events" in my time playing WoW. I've missed all sorts of things by skipping "seasons" of Diablo 3 and Path Of Exile. Etc, etc, etc.

And the more "live games" that happen, the more you'll run into this. (Heck, Final Fantasy 15 was a single player console JRPG - and it had limited time events that gave costumes & other stuff.)

Every feather and berry comes back the next event. Except for the final 4th berry. That doesn't come back. Makes sense.

Sanctuary_Reaper · March 2019

I had stopped events half way through the last one, the indirik isnt something i want, but now i can buy other things that i would have more interest in, like the caldwell style pages at 5 tickets per page, so this event i can get 5 i think.

So im happy about that.

But the OP is bang on, another money grab essentially.

reoskit · March 2019

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Eh, welcome to online game events? People have been missing out on "limited time" or "limited access" items in MMOs and other online games for over a decade, long before "scummy cash shop practices." Nothing new here.

If I can't log in during Star Trek Online's Winter/Summer/Anniversary events, I can't get the 'free' ships. I missed a variety of "events" in my time playing WoW. I've missed all sorts of things by skipping "seasons" of Diablo 3 and Path Of Exile. Etc, etc, etc.

@Kiralyn2000 - Were those multi-season events? (I'm sincerely asking - I don't know.)

Part of the problem is that the effort to generate one evolution is spread over multiple events, multiple months. Then, on the last event, it's do or die. You're locked in with 3/4 berries, and if you miss the final event, you've wasted 30 tickets.

Odovacar · March 2019

Also, not to mention, the mount is not all that attractive anyhow...in any of its forms (maybe Onyx). I'm not too motivated in going much farther.