Welkynar Motifs

ezio45 · March 2019

This fails on a variety of levels. Pretty much all lvls

First off you dont get fragments until ncr+3, the vast majority of players ik have never done ncr +1

secondly, you get bindings from the ncr+1 coffer. which is completely useless you have completed ncr+3 10 times. Meaning you can get all of these you want but theyre unusable to most people

3rd, a lot of people just glancing over things confuse the bindings for the fragments. I cant really blame them, i dont know anyone who has ever got a fragment and not knowing they exist and quickly reading the binding description gives the impression that you just need more bindings. Cause it makes sense, why would we be given the thing to put them together when we havent gotten anything required to put together.

4th correct me if im wrong but this is the most expensive motif to ever go in the crown store at 6k crowns. Its been out for 6 months and the price hasnt dropped. Ps4 na you can buy crowns for gold for 100g per crown. So to have the 6k motif gifted to you it will cost 600k. Prices for the motifs are between 55(like belts)-150-200k. So to buy them all it will cost like 1.5m. Thats over double the crown gift price. Even if for whatever reason zos locked off gifting the motif (i cant check i have 10 crowns) it still means you are far better off jusr buying it with your money because even if your not gifting, 1 crown still equates to 100 gold. If you spent the the gold buying from traders you just spent the equivalent of 15k crowns.

Welkynar motifs are overly complicated, in accessible to most players by grinding and are too rare for something that has been ingame for 6 months

Banana · March 2019

I got mine from the crown store. I wasnt going through that circus

ccfeeling · March 2019

NCR +3 wasn't hard , but it's not plug friendly , I bet 95 / 100 pug group fail .

In Summerset , grinding is a cored content I guess , Chromium Plating , Welkynar motifs , etc

MartiniDaniels · March 2019

Last time i checked only welkynar chests were pricey, so this concern is a little bit out of date.

daemonios · March 2019

ezio45 wrote: »

Welkynar motifs are overly complicated, in accessible to most players by grinding and are too rare for something that has been ingame for 6 months

ezio45 wrote: »

this is the most expensive motif to ever go in the crown store

Hm... I wonder if the two could be related...

bongtokin420insd16 · March 2019

pug friendly even......

idk · March 2019

You get a piece from completing the weekly which can be done on nCR+0 Beyond that, nCR+3 is not that bad. Just need to make sure all mini bosses are down before entering burn phase.

Further, Zos has merely incentivized working on clearing the harder content. This is no different than HM of a dungeon guaranteeing a motif chapter.

Now, I do not like how motifs are broken down into smaller and smaller pieces, but that is really a different topic.

Jhalin · March 2019

idk wrote: »

You get a piece from completing the weekly which can be done on nCR+0 Beyond that, nCR+3 is not that bad. Just need to make sure all mini bosses are down before entering burn phase.

Further, Zos has merely incentivized working on clearing the harder content. This is no different than HM of a dungeon guaranteeing a motif chapter.

Now, I do not like how motifs are broken down into smaller and smaller pieces, but that is really a different topic.

You do not get a piece of the Welkynar motif by doing anything less that nCR+3

You will get a Binding from the weekly coffer, which is used to combine 10 motif fragments.

The exceptional grind of this motif compared to all the other was a deliberate method to drive people into buying it from the crown store. Having it “available” in the game through a massive time sink means they could get away with putting it in the pool of potentional master writ motifs.

I’m more than happy to work for rewards that reflect the time and effort spent, but this isn’t one.

ezio45 · March 2019

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Last time i checked only welkynar chests were pricey, so this concern is a little bit out of date.

nah all big pieces are pricey on ps4, chests, staffs, legs, shields, swords

Syy101 · March 2019

First we got whole motif books, then the motif chapter nonsense, and then this.

It's only a matter of time before ZO$ make motifs drop like the gold mats from refining, that you have like 1% chance to get a motif page from a pile of fragments, and fragments have a 1% drop rate on a trial hardmode.

Prof_Bawbag · March 2019

But players buy it from the CS and that alone justifies the method in which they have implemented it. Even if you are using in game gold to buy crowns, someone is still purchasing that motif and that data tells ZoS they are justified.

People can complain about it until the cows come home, but doing so is akin to pissing in the wind.

Holmarion19 · March 2019

Prices may well come down when the Anniversary event hits. Unless you see a Welkynar Motif going cheaply or within the range you are prepared to pay at a guild trader before then then it may be worth waiting a short while to see. Zos used the anniversary event last year to reset the costs of most available motifs by making them available in the event boxes.

Arunei · March 2019

Welkynar is being added to the list of motifs that can drop from the Jubilee boxes for this year's anniversary event, which I was very surprised by but am super stoked about. It's really the only way I'm gonna get this particular motif, seeing the ridiculous grind ZOS decided to implement for it.

Sapphire_Lily · March 2019

There are chest motifs available for 150k on ps4 EU. The price fluctuation is contingent on rarity and as the Jubilee event approaches, it won't be so exorbitant.

Darkenarlol · March 2019

- nCR+3 is still NORMAL (easy)
- guild stores - available
- crown store - available

so actually you can

- git gud at PVE, join/form groups and farm it by yourself
- git gud at market sales and buy it from other farmers or crown sellers
- git gud at...(cough) work and buy it in CS

but ofc you choose to come to forums and cry
so... you get nothing

ezio45 wrote: »

1 crown still equates to 100 gold.

on PC EU due to gang of market manipulators it is closer to 400

Kuramas9tails · March 2019

I don't understand why ZOS didn't do what they did with the Buoyant Style in Morrowind to the Welkynar Style in Summerset.

To me, this is like having a waist to a set drop from a delve boss in one area and then have it drop from an overland boss in another area.

Inconsistant.

I understand consistency can be predictable but for something like a style page, it shouldn't be this hard or confusing.

SaintSubwayy · March 2019

well...I even cant sell my stylepages anymore, cause the market is so saturated with them atm....

If I wana sell some, Im gona go 20-30% under MM price, just to get rid of them.

agreed, you should get 1 fragment also / weekly...so atleast you can get a page one day, by just doin ncr weekly.

Vigawatt · March 2019

I got mine from guild stores, and yes it was expensive. There are 14 pieces in all, so for the first 8 I bought the fragments. With PC NA prices, the probability was decent that I'd get a motif that was worth more than the cost of the fragments. I even got the chest this way, so spent 80k on a motif worth 450k.

For the remaining 6 after that the probability was that I'd get motifs I already had from fragments so I spent the money to buy the already made motifs.

Revelzdevelz · March 2019

We really need to take away loot from harder content of this game so that everyone can get everything without trying.

JaZ2091 · March 2019

Revelzdevelz wrote: »

We really need to take away loot from harder content of this game so that everyone can get everything without trying.

I agree. I should be able to walk in there and receive a motif automatically. Im getting tired of being forced to do content.

AlienSlof · March 2019

Banana wrote: »

I got mine from the crown store. I wasnt going through that circus

That's exactly what they want - create a silly circus to drive people to the crown store.

The page fragment and binding drops really should be the other way around - we need 10 bits of page to one binding. Seems silly that the bindings that we need 10 times fewer of should drop on the easier content.

Tryxus · March 2019

Syy101 wrote: »

First we got whole motif books, then the motif chapter nonsense, and then this.

It's only a matter of time before ZO$ make motifs drop like the gold mats from refining, that you have like 1% chance to get a motif page from a pile of fragments, and fragments have a 1% drop rate on a trial hardmode.

It's not a matter of time, it's alrdy happening.

When the Glass style got released, it used the same system of 10 Fragments that needed to be glued together with a special item. ZOS took that and locked it behind a trial for the Welkynar motif.

Next up? Normal version drops Snippets and you need a 100 for a page while Vet has a chance for a Fragment instead?

XxCaLxX · March 2019

Reminds me of when people was charging 500k for the fang lair chest motif when you could just give someone 500k to gift the entire motif to you lol.

tmbrinks · March 2019

Tryxus wrote: »

Syy101 wrote: »

First we got whole motif books, then the motif chapter nonsense, and then this.

It's only a matter of time before ZO$ make motifs drop like the gold mats from refining, that you have like 1% chance to get a motif page from a pile of fragments, and fragments have a 1% drop rate on a trial hardmode.

It's not a matter of time, it's alrdy happening.

When the Glass style got released, it used the same system of 10 Fragments that needed to be glued together with a special item. ZOS took that and locked it behind a trial for the Welkynar motif.

Next up? Normal version drops Snippets and you need a 100 for a page while Vet has a chance for a Fragment instead?

hyperbole does nothing to advance the question at hand.

So, 1 of the approximately 70 motifs in the game is locked behind "difficult" content (I quote it, since nCR +3 is easily "puggable" with the slightest bit of knowledge). So it's a grind fest if you want to do it the easy way, as you only get 1 fragment. Or get a slightly organized group, and do vCR +0 and you'll get them much quicker (It's not really that much harder!).

It is honestly amazing to me how angry people get when like 1% of things get put behind a content wall... in this case one where a still sizable majority of people could still do... especially when they still provide a way for people who don't want to do that content to buy it (either from guild traders for gold, or from crown store for real money). It's not like you are being told "you can't do this content, you can't get the motif at all"

If you want to "farm" the motifs, you really need to be doing Vet +2 or +3 for the fragments and bindings, it's really expensive to run those trials, especially if you need to practice it to build the synergy that a group needs to run that end game content. The cost in time, materials, improvements to weapons, is substantial. So... Welkynar motifs provided a way for those who do that content to actually maybe make a little gold (in reality, break even) from obtaining those... is that so bad?

Also, they'll be dropping in the anniversary boxes in a few weeks... the price will plummet, just like Buoyant Armiger did.

Speaking of BA, I'd MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH rather have this system where you get a guaranteed motif from doing difficult content, than the BA system where is was simply due to an absurd reduction in the drop rate.

code65536 · March 2019

All dungeon/trial motifs are 6K crowns. Yes, Welkynar is the most expensive. But it's tied with a lot of other motifs for that honor. My preference is for it to not be on the crown store at all...
The separate bindings are stupid. Just let us combine fragments without the binding. For people who can clear vCR+3 consistently, there is a shortage of bindings (since it's locked to just one per character per week), and for everyone else, there's a gross surplus of bindings. When the motif came out, bindings were pretty expensive because of the shortage of them for the vet crowd. But now that the motif has been out a long time and a huge glut has built up from the people who run normal, the bindings are virtually worthless. Their market value is so low that they might as well not exist at this point.
The fragment system is GREAT. Look at the alternatives.
- The MoL motif originally was a guaranteed drop in the weekly coffer. The end result was that everyone just farmed nMoL on multiple characters each week (made even easier by the pre-OT ability to scale down nMoL), and the motifs dropped so frequently that many people I know just destroyed them because they couldn't be bothered to sell chapters that were only worth a couple hundred gold.
- The MoL motif currently is a low random drop in the weekly coffer. The drop rate is abysmal. I've gotten maybe one every dozen coffers.
- Dungeon chapters are guaranteed on HM. That's a great incentive to do HM. And they have a random drop chance on lower difficulties. I hate RNG. Instead of a 20% chance to get 100% of a chapter, I'd much rather have a 100% chance to get 20% of a chapter. This is exactly what Welkynar does. And I love it. No more RNG chance of getting a chapter or not--you know exactly how much of a chapter you're getting with each run.
The reward tiers definitely need a rework, though:
- Current:
  - n+0/1/2: NONE
  - n+3: 1
  - v+0: 2
  - v+1: 4
  - v+2: 6
  - v+3: 10
- What I propose:
  - n+0/1/2: 1
  - n+3: 2
  - v+0: 4
  - v+1: 6
  - v+2: 8
  - v+3: 10

Taleof2Cities · March 2019

Banana wrote: »

I got mine from the crown store. I wasnt going through that circus

^This.^

Hostee · March 2019

I just do vCR and get plenty of fragments 🤷‍♂️

Starlock · March 2019

code65536 wrote: »

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[*]The MoL motif originally was a guaranteed drop in the weekly coffer. The end result was that everyone just farmed nMoL on multiple characters each week (made even easier by the pre-OT ability to scale down nMoL), and the motifs dropped so frequently that many people I know just destroyed them because they couldn't be bothered to sell chapters that were only worth a couple hundred gold.

Wow. That never happened on xbox. Currently on xbox, almost no one sells Welkynar at all. The system is terrible for us.