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Power of the light problem
JinMori
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There is a problem with this ability, for one it's a bit too strong in pvp, the damage is too bursty, second, if you recast it, you lose all your damage, so my suggestion is this, change this ability to copy 10 % or less of your damage, throughout the duration of the buff, this way, it's less bursty and you won't lose damage overall.
But there is also another very big problem with this ability, and it;s this, you actually get punished for doing your rotation properly, because if you do perfect weaving barswap etc, you will LOSE your damage because you recasted it about 0.3 seconds too early, there is no other ability in the game that punishes you for doing your rotation properly, yes you heard me right, you will lose damage for doing your rotation perfectly.
So please zos, the idea is good, but just change it a little bit. Decrease the copied damage, remove max possible damage, your servers have to run the calculations anyway, so, it shouldn't be heavier on your servers.
Edited by JinMori on March 15, 2019 12:20AM But there is also another very big problem with this ability, and it;s this, you actually get punished for doing your rotation properly, because if you do perfect weaving barswap etc, you will LOSE your damage because you recasted it about 0.3 seconds too early, there is no other ability in the game that punishes you for doing your rotation properly, yes you heard me right, you will lose damage for doing your rotation perfectly.
So please zos, the idea is good, but just change it a little bit. Decrease the copied damage, remove max possible damage, your servers have to run the calculations anyway, so, it shouldn't be heavier on your servers.
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fullheartcontainer✭✭✭✭✭the burst is the point. For a lot of stamplars, it's basically what we use in lieu of an execute.
1) don't recast it early so you don't lose that damage
2) if you are losing damage due to recasting PotL, then you haven't figured out your rotation yet
3) stamplar really doesn't have much. Copied damage is fine as isEdited by fullheartcontainer on March 15, 2019 3:36AM10 -
Crixus8000✭✭✭✭✭
✭fullheartcontainer wrote: »3) stamplar really doesn't have much. Copied damage is fine as is
I just wish it didn't copy all your allies damage too and stack. It can be so annoying at times to survive so much damage, get away then instantly die to multiple pols proccing at the same time ^^
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fullheartcontainer✭✭✭✭✭Crixus8000 wrote: »fullheartcontainer wrote: »3) stamplar really doesn't have much. Copied damage is fine as is
I just wish it didn't copy all your allies damage too and stack. It can be so annoying at times to survive so much damage, get away then instantly die to multiple pols proccing at the same time ^^
pol doesn't stack with itself, even from multiple people. You can't die that way2 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's like saying that daedric prey on petsorc punishes You for recasting it too early. If You recast it too early then You're not doing Your rotation properly or perfectly.1 -
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✭✭✭✭fullheartcontainer wrote: »Crixus8000 wrote: »fullheartcontainer wrote: »3) stamplar really doesn't have much. Copied damage is fine as is
I just wish it didn't copy all your allies damage too and stack. It can be so annoying at times to survive so much damage, get away then instantly die to multiple pols proccing at the same time ^^
pol doesn't stack with itself, even from multiple people. You can't die that way
Citation needed.1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am not certain if OP is serious or joking. It almost sounds like they are trying to suggest they are coming from a Templar perspective but no one in their right mind would suggest one of their signature skills does to much damage so it should do less. I call BS.
In case I am wrong and OP does actually play a Templar and is just misguided, the second paragraph is flawed. If a Templar does a proper rotation correctly they will not overwrite PoL. If they are then either the rotation is wrong or they did not do it right. It really is that simple. Logic dictates this.
So in the end, the OP of this thread can be disregarded as it is very flawed and misguided or intended to be a distraction.7 -
Vajrak✭✭✭using PotL/Purifying Light properly: Recast AFTER the boom.
Cast it early? Your rotation (or observation) is bad.1 -
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✭fullheartcontainer wrote: »Crixus8000 wrote: »fullheartcontainer wrote: »3) stamplar really doesn't have much. Copied damage is fine as is
I just wish it didn't copy all your allies damage too and stack. It can be so annoying at times to survive so much damage, get away then instantly die to multiple pols proccing at the same time ^^
pol doesn't stack with itself, even from multiple people. You can't die that way
One of each morph doesn't stack ? I don't play templar but I have survived a large group of opponents only to escape then instantly drop dead to see 2 of them in my recap quite a few times.
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fullheartcontainer✭✭✭✭✭Crixus8000 wrote: »fullheartcontainer wrote: »Crixus8000 wrote: »fullheartcontainer wrote: »3) stamplar really doesn't have much. Copied damage is fine as is
I just wish it didn't copy all your allies damage too and stack. It can be so annoying at times to survive so much damage, get away then instantly die to multiple pols proccing at the same time ^^
pol doesn't stack with itself, even from multiple people. You can't die that way
One of each morph doesn't stack ? I don't play templar but I have survived a large group of opponents only to escape then instantly drop dead to see 2 of them in my recap quite a few times.
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✭✭fullheartcontainer wrote: »the burst is the point. For a lot of stamplars, it's basically what we use in lieu of an execute.
1) don't recast it early so you don't lose that damage
2) if you are losing damage due to recasting PotL, then you haven't figured out your rotation yet
3) stamplar really doesn't have much. Copied damage is fine as is
Your second premise is wrong.
I have to actively slow down the rotation before recasting potl, because casting in immediately means casting it about 0.3 sec too early.0 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am not certain if OP is serious or joking. It almost sounds like they are trying to suggest they are coming from a Templar perspective but no one in their right mind would suggest one of their signature skills does to much damage so it should do less. I call BS.
In case I am wrong and OP does actually play a Templar and is just misguided, the second paragraph is flawed. If a Templar does a proper rotation correctly they will not overwrite PoL. If they are then either the rotation is wrong or they did not do it right. It really is that simple. Logic dictates this.
So in the end, the OP of this thread can be disregarded as it is very flawed and misguided or intended to be a distraction.
You are wrong, if you do a full la rot, as you should, and do it perfectly, you will notice that you lose a few casts. Maybe since you all accuse me of not doing the rot properly, maybe you should try it, and see for yourself, that is, if you have the skills to do it.
Anyway, the option i provided is pretty much superior,it will reduce burst a little bit, which is a bit too high, the overall damage will be higher even if you reduce the copied damage to 10 %, and you will not risk into casting it too early and being punished for doing your rot properly.
I will even give you the rot.
LA weaving, Start with potl, swap, endless hail, swap, trap,swap, caltrops, injection, swap, potl, rending, 3 jabs, repeat, if you use restoring focus or ballista, do 2 jabs.
You will notice if you have decent latency, that if you do this properly, you will recast potl too soon during the first part of the rot.
Second, why do i cast endless and swap? Because advancing jokeda, There are 2 ways to not drop the stack, 1st do a la before swapping, but this way you will lose some time and time is dps, or, do it like i said above, you will not have to do the la before swapping, and it will save precious time, and your ma bow will proc either way.
Otherwise the rot would be like this:
Potl,la,swap,endless,cal,injection, see the difference?
Doing it this way, potl will not be casted too early, but you will lose dps because you have to cast a la before swapping, but that la is not followed by an ability, so it's unneccessary, it would be better to potl, swap immediately, la and endless hail, which is possible on the other rot.
You can even try it on other stam dps, it always works, and reliably gives more dps, it's very similar to the warden rot.
Ill give you guys a bit of advice, just because you read about some rotation online doesn't mean it's always the best, think for yourself, on how to improve things, if warden can cast 2 abilities and not lose the bow proc, then how could that be used to my advantage?
I respect alcast, and all these very good players, but that doesn't mean they are infallible, or always have the best option, try things for yourself, if it doesn't work discard it, if it does, use it, and share it if you want.
Edited by JinMori on March 15, 2019 6:04AM0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am not certain if OP is serious or joking. It almost sounds like they are trying to suggest they are coming from a Templar perspective but no one in their right mind would suggest one of their signature skills does to much damage so it should do less. I call BS.
In case I am wrong and OP does actually play a Templar and is just misguided, the second paragraph is flawed. If a Templar does a proper rotation correctly they will not overwrite PoL. If they are then either the rotation is wrong or they did not do it right. It really is that simple. Logic dictates this.
So in the end, the OP of this thread can be disregarded as it is very flawed and misguided or intended to be a distraction.
You are wrong, if you do a full la rot, as you should, and do it perfectly, you will notice that you lose a few casts. Maybe since you all accuse me of not doing the rot properly, maybe you should try it, and see for yourself, that is, if you have the skills to do it.
Anyway, the option i provided is pretty much superior,it will reduce burst a little bit, which is a bit too high, the overall damage will be higher even if you reduce the copied damage to 10 %, and you will not risk into casting it too early and being punished for doing your rot properly.
First, about your suggestion that you improperly claim is superior.
You have it doing less damage. If it does less damage then by definition it will do less damage.
You seem to think that because you are allowing the skill to be cast on top of each other that somehow this makes up for the lower damage per action or damage per cast. This is where you are wrong because DPS is determined by damage per action and you are lowered that which makes your idea inferior.
Second, if you are having a problem with overwriting PoL before the duration has expriered then I suggest do a video and link I there. We can probably help you figure out a solution as the problem is clearly localized to you.
Edited by idk on March 15, 2019 6:08AM2 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am not certain if OP is serious or joking. It almost sounds like they are trying to suggest they are coming from a Templar perspective but no one in their right mind would suggest one of their signature skills does to much damage so it should do less. I call BS.
In case I am wrong and OP does actually play a Templar and is just misguided, the second paragraph is flawed. If a Templar does a proper rotation correctly they will not overwrite PoL. If they are then either the rotation is wrong or they did not do it right. It really is that simple. Logic dictates this.
So in the end, the OP of this thread can be disregarded as it is very flawed and misguided or intended to be a distraction.
You are wrong, if you do a full la rot, as you should, and do it perfectly, you will notice that you lose a few casts. Maybe since you all accuse me of not doing the rot properly, maybe you should try it, and see for yourself, that is, if you have the skills to do it.
Anyway, the option i provided is pretty much superior,it will reduce burst a little bit, which is a bit too high, the overall damage will be higher even if you reduce the copied damage to 10 %, and you will not risk into casting it too early and being punished for doing your rot properly.
First, about your suggestion that you improperly claim is superior.
You have it doing less damage. If it does less damage then by definition it will do less damage.
You seem to think that because you are allowing the skill to be cast on top of each other that somehow this makes up for the lower damage per action or damage per cast. This is where you are wrong because DPS is determined by damage per action and you are lowered that which makes your idea inferior.
Second, if you are having a problem with overwriting PoL before the duration has expriered then I suggest do a video and link I there. We can probably help you figure out a solution as the problem is clearly localized to you.
I already gave all the information you need, you can test the rot, but if it works for me it should work for everyone.
I already know the liko rotation, the "usual" rotation, i just found a better one, and even if i miss few potl it's still superior in terms of damage, it's just very annoying to have to slow down the rot because of it, or miss a proc because you perfected your rotation, this is the only ability in the game were playing better actually punished you in some way.
So i provided an alternative.
And anyway, potl is bugged, so they should fix it anyway, for one, the tooltip seems to be incorrect.Edited by JinMori on March 15, 2019 6:14AM0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am not certain if OP is serious or joking. It almost sounds like they are trying to suggest they are coming from a Templar perspective but no one in their right mind would suggest one of their signature skills does to much damage so it should do less. I call BS.
In case I am wrong and OP does actually play a Templar and is just misguided, the second paragraph is flawed. If a Templar does a proper rotation correctly they will not overwrite PoL. If they are then either the rotation is wrong or they did not do it right. It really is that simple. Logic dictates this.
So in the end, the OP of this thread can be disregarded as it is very flawed and misguided or intended to be a distraction.
You are wrong, if you do a full la rot, as you should, and do it perfectly, you will notice that you lose a few casts. Maybe since you all accuse me of not doing the rot properly, maybe you should try it, and see for yourself, that is, if you have the skills to do it.
Anyway, the option i provided is pretty much superior,it will reduce burst a little bit, which is a bit too high, the overall damage will be higher even if you reduce the copied damage to 10 %, and you will not risk into casting it too early and being punished for doing your rot properly.
First, about your suggestion that you improperly claim is superior.
You have it doing less damage. If it does less damage then by definition it will do less damage.
You seem to think that because you are allowing the skill to be cast on top of each other that somehow this makes up for the lower damage per action or damage per cast. This is where you are wrong because DPS is determined by damage per action and you are lowered that which makes your idea inferior.
Second, if you are having a problem with overwriting PoL before the duration has expriered then I suggest do a video and link I there. We can probably help you figure out a solution as the problem is clearly localized to you.
I already gave all the information you need, you can test the rot, but if it works for me it should work for everyone.
I already know the liko rotation, the "usual" rotation, i just found a better one, and even if i miss few potl it's still superior in terms of damage, it's just very annoying to have to slow down the rot because of it, or miss a proc because you perfected your rotation, this is the only ability in the game were playing better actually punished you in some way.
So i provided an alternative.
And anyway, potl is bugged, so they should fix it anyway, for one, the tooltip seems to be incorrect.
First of all, it is you experiencing this issue and it is clearly not a wide spread issue. So no, we do not have the information needed. We do not have how you actually perform the rotation that is causing your issues.
Second, just a quick look at your rotation, the first few items, it is flawed. Bar swap, use one skill, bar swap back, That is flawed. You bar swap, endless hail, then bar swap again. No. But this does not solve your issue.
But hey, if you would rather complain about the skill than get help then that is your prerogative. But the skill will not be changed because of this thread because the issue described is not a skill issue, it is a player issue. Have fun.3 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am not certain if OP is serious or joking. It almost sounds like they are trying to suggest they are coming from a Templar perspective but no one in their right mind would suggest one of their signature skills does to much damage so it should do less. I call BS.
In case I am wrong and OP does actually play a Templar and is just misguided, the second paragraph is flawed. If a Templar does a proper rotation correctly they will not overwrite PoL. If they are then either the rotation is wrong or they did not do it right. It really is that simple. Logic dictates this.
So in the end, the OP of this thread can be disregarded as it is very flawed and misguided or intended to be a distraction.
You are wrong, if you do a full la rot, as you should, and do it perfectly, you will notice that you lose a few casts. Maybe since you all accuse me of not doing the rot properly, maybe you should try it, and see for yourself, that is, if you have the skills to do it.
Anyway, the option i provided is pretty much superior,it will reduce burst a little bit, which is a bit too high, the overall damage will be higher even if you reduce the copied damage to 10 %, and you will not risk into casting it too early and being punished for doing your rot properly.
First, about your suggestion that you improperly claim is superior.
You have it doing less damage. If it does less damage then by definition it will do less damage.
You seem to think that because you are allowing the skill to be cast on top of each other that somehow this makes up for the lower damage per action or damage per cast. This is where you are wrong because DPS is determined by damage per action and you are lowered that which makes your idea inferior.
Second, if you are having a problem with overwriting PoL before the duration has expriered then I suggest do a video and link I there. We can probably help you figure out a solution as the problem is clearly localized to you.
I already gave all the information you need, you can test the rot, but if it works for me it should work for everyone.
I already know the liko rotation, the "usual" rotation, i just found a better one, and even if i miss few potl it's still superior in terms of damage, it's just very annoying to have to slow down the rot because of it, or miss a proc because you perfected your rotation, this is the only ability in the game were playing better actually punished you in some way.
So i provided an alternative.
And anyway, potl is bugged, so they should fix it anyway, for one, the tooltip seems to be incorrect.
First of all, it is you experiencing this issue and it is clearly not a wide spread issue. So no, we do not have the information needed. We do not have how you actually perform the rotation that is causing your issues.
Second, just a quick look at your rotation, the first few items, it is flawed. Bar swap, use one skill, bar swap back, That is flawed. You bar swap, endless hail, then bar swap again. No. But this does not solve your issue.
But hey, if you would rather complain about the skill than get help then that is your prerogative. But the skill will not be changed because of this thread because the issue described is not a skill issue, it is a player issue. Have fun.
All right then, you are wrong.
By your definition the stam den rotation which is endless,caltrops,swap,sub assault, swap and preoceed would be wrong, therefore your post really has nothing of value to me.
The fact that you just brushed it aside, even though i clearly told you that i already know the other rotation, and found this to be better every single time, shows me that you are not open to discourse, and don't really care, you are only here to adhere to your preconceived wrong notions, goodbye.0 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭From a PvP perspective I don't think the collective damage from the final "explosions" should copy your allies damage.That's about it.1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am not certain if OP is serious or joking. It almost sounds like they are trying to suggest they are coming from a Templar perspective but no one in their right mind would suggest one of their signature skills does to much damage so it should do less. I call BS.
In case I am wrong and OP does actually play a Templar and is just misguided, the second paragraph is flawed. If a Templar does a proper rotation correctly they will not overwrite PoL. If they are then either the rotation is wrong or they did not do it right. It really is that simple. Logic dictates this.
So in the end, the OP of this thread can be disregarded as it is very flawed and misguided or intended to be a distraction.
You are wrong, if you do a full la rot, as you should, and do it perfectly, you will notice that you lose a few casts. Maybe since you all accuse me of not doing the rot properly, maybe you should try it, and see for yourself, that is, if you have the skills to do it.
Anyway, the option i provided is pretty much superior,it will reduce burst a little bit, which is a bit too high, the overall damage will be higher even if you reduce the copied damage to 10 %, and you will not risk into casting it too early and being punished for doing your rot properly.
First, about your suggestion that you improperly claim is superior.
You have it doing less damage. If it does less damage then by definition it will do less damage.
You seem to think that because you are allowing the skill to be cast on top of each other that somehow this makes up for the lower damage per action or damage per cast. This is where you are wrong because DPS is determined by damage per action and you are lowered that which makes your idea inferior.
Second, if you are having a problem with overwriting PoL before the duration has expriered then I suggest do a video and link I there. We can probably help you figure out a solution as the problem is clearly localized to you.
I already gave all the information you need, you can test the rot, but if it works for me it should work for everyone.
I already know the liko rotation, the "usual" rotation, i just found a better one, and even if i miss few potl it's still superior in terms of damage, it's just very annoying to have to slow down the rot because of it, or miss a proc because you perfected your rotation, this is the only ability in the game were playing better actually punished you in some way.
So i provided an alternative.
And anyway, potl is bugged, so they should fix it anyway, for one, the tooltip seems to be incorrect.
First of all, it is you experiencing this issue and it is clearly not a wide spread issue. So no, we do not have the information needed. We do not have how you actually perform the rotation that is causing your issues.
Second, just a quick look at your rotation, the first few items, it is flawed. Bar swap, use one skill, bar swap back, That is flawed. You bar swap, endless hail, then bar swap again. No. But this does not solve your issue.
But hey, if you would rather complain about the skill than get help then that is your prerogative. But the skill will not be changed because of this thread because the issue described is not a skill issue, it is a player issue. Have fun.
All right then, you are wrong.
By your definition the stam den rotation which is endless,caltrops,swap,sub assault, swap and preoceed would be wrong, therefore your post really has nothing of value to me.
The fact that you just brushed it aside, even though i clearly told you that i already know the other rotation, and found this to be better every single time, shows me that you are not open to discourse, and don't really care, you are only here to adhere to your preconceived wrong notions, goodbye.
LOL. It is not me that is wrong. The entire OP is wrong.
Also, I have not provided a "definition" for anything, let alone a stam den rotation as I thought we were talking about stamplars. Clearly you are putting words into my mouth. Probably to try to dismiss actual information.
If you want help, do what I suggested. If you want to argue your incorrect thoughts then I guess go ahead with that. However, I will only continue if you actually start working on getting the help angle as I already told you why your ideas are wrong.2 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am not certain if OP is serious or joking. It almost sounds like they are trying to suggest they are coming from a Templar perspective but no one in their right mind would suggest one of their signature skills does to much damage so it should do less. I call BS.
In case I am wrong and OP does actually play a Templar and is just misguided, the second paragraph is flawed. If a Templar does a proper rotation correctly they will not overwrite PoL. If they are then either the rotation is wrong or they did not do it right. It really is that simple. Logic dictates this.
So in the end, the OP of this thread can be disregarded as it is very flawed and misguided or intended to be a distraction.
You are wrong, if you do a full la rot, as you should, and do it perfectly, you will notice that you lose a few casts. Maybe since you all accuse me of not doing the rot properly, maybe you should try it, and see for yourself, that is, if you have the skills to do it.
Anyway, the option i provided is pretty much superior,it will reduce burst a little bit, which is a bit too high, the overall damage will be higher even if you reduce the copied damage to 10 %, and you will not risk into casting it too early and being punished for doing your rot properly.
First, about your suggestion that you improperly claim is superior.
You have it doing less damage. If it does less damage then by definition it will do less damage.
You seem to think that because you are allowing the skill to be cast on top of each other that somehow this makes up for the lower damage per action or damage per cast. This is where you are wrong because DPS is determined by damage per action and you are lowered that which makes your idea inferior.
Second, if you are having a problem with overwriting PoL before the duration has expriered then I suggest do a video and link I there. We can probably help you figure out a solution as the problem is clearly localized to you.
I already gave all the information you need, you can test the rot, but if it works for me it should work for everyone.
I already know the liko rotation, the "usual" rotation, i just found a better one, and even if i miss few potl it's still superior in terms of damage, it's just very annoying to have to slow down the rot because of it, or miss a proc because you perfected your rotation, this is the only ability in the game were playing better actually punished you in some way.
So i provided an alternative.
And anyway, potl is bugged, so they should fix it anyway, for one, the tooltip seems to be incorrect.
First of all, it is you experiencing this issue and it is clearly not a wide spread issue. So no, we do not have the information needed. We do not have how you actually perform the rotation that is causing your issues.
Second, just a quick look at your rotation, the first few items, it is flawed. Bar swap, use one skill, bar swap back, That is flawed. You bar swap, endless hail, then bar swap again. No. But this does not solve your issue.
But hey, if you would rather complain about the skill than get help then that is your prerogative. But the skill will not be changed because of this thread because the issue described is not a skill issue, it is a player issue. Have fun.
All right then, you are wrong.
By your definition the stam den rotation which is endless,caltrops,swap,sub assault, swap and preoceed would be wrong, therefore your post really has nothing of value to me.
The fact that you just brushed it aside, even though i clearly told you that i already know the other rotation, and found this to be better every single time, shows me that you are not open to discourse, and don't really care, you are only here to adhere to your preconceived wrong notions, goodbye.
LOL. It is not me that is wrong. The entire OP is wrong.
Also, I have not provided a "definition" for anything, let alone a stam den rotation as I thought we were talking about stamplars. Clearly you are putting words into my mouth. Probably to try to dismiss actual information.
If you want help, do what I suggested. If you want to argue your incorrect thoughts then I guess go ahead with that. However, I will only continue if you actually start working on getting the help angle as I already told you why your ideas are wrong.
No, i am not putting words in your mouth, you said the premise of using endless hail barwapping and trap is wrong, i said that going by that logic the entire stamden rot is wrong.
You bar swap, endless hail, then bar swap again. No.
This is what you said, are you gonna deny it now?
Just being consistent, you on the other hand didn't read carefully, and instead you resort to saying things like, you are putting words in my mouth like most people to be honest, when they don;t understand something.
Don't understand something, just accuse the other person of something, that will sure drive away the conversation to something completely different, and to be fair, in many cases it works, but i will not allow you to pull this bs.
Look if you don't really know something take your name as an example, and test it yourself, iv'e already provided everything you need, even the rotation, you don't even have to use ay, to test this, although this is the whole reason to use this rotation, if it works for me it will work for you, with some practice ofc, you'll see.
Edited by JinMori on March 15, 2019 6:58AM0 -
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✭✭✭He's not wrong with the whole cast rotation thing, POTL doesn't fit nicely with jabs as a spammable. You are almost forced to have a near 1 second downtime on POTL, whilst not gamebreaking, does take some getting used to.
The PVP concerns are generally hogwash though. Stamplar is already in the PVP gutter, has no real role in group PVP with the resurgence of nado spam and stacked shalks, has miserable buffs and debuffs and the worst available healing to it.0331
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am not certain if OP is serious or joking. It almost sounds like they are trying to suggest they are coming from a Templar perspective but no one in their right mind would suggest one of their signature skills does to much damage so it should do less. I call BS.
In case I am wrong and OP does actually play a Templar and is just misguided, the second paragraph is flawed. If a Templar does a proper rotation correctly they will not overwrite PoL. If they are then either the rotation is wrong or they did not do it right. It really is that simple. Logic dictates this.
So in the end, the OP of this thread can be disregarded as it is very flawed and misguided or intended to be a distraction.
You are wrong, if you do a full la rot, as you should, and do it perfectly, you will notice that you lose a few casts. Maybe since you all accuse me of not doing the rot properly, maybe you should try it, and see for yourself, that is, if you have the skills to do it.
Anyway, the option i provided is pretty much superior,it will reduce burst a little bit, which is a bit too high, the overall damage will be higher even if you reduce the copied damage to 10 %, and you will not risk into casting it too early and being punished for doing your rot properly.
First, about your suggestion that you improperly claim is superior.
You have it doing less damage. If it does less damage then by definition it will do less damage.
You seem to think that because you are allowing the skill to be cast on top of each other that somehow this makes up for the lower damage per action or damage per cast. This is where you are wrong because DPS is determined by damage per action and you are lowered that which makes your idea inferior.
Second, if you are having a problem with overwriting PoL before the duration has expriered then I suggest do a video and link I there. We can probably help you figure out a solution as the problem is clearly localized to you.
I already gave all the information you need, you can test the rot, but if it works for me it should work for everyone.
I already know the liko rotation, the "usual" rotation, i just found a better one, and even if i miss few potl it's still superior in terms of damage, it's just very annoying to have to slow down the rot because of it, or miss a proc because you perfected your rotation, this is the only ability in the game were playing better actually punished you in some way.
So i provided an alternative.
And anyway, potl is bugged, so they should fix it anyway, for one, the tooltip seems to be incorrect.
First of all, it is you experiencing this issue and it is clearly not a wide spread issue. So no, we do not have the information needed. We do not have how you actually perform the rotation that is causing your issues.
Second, just a quick look at your rotation, the first few items, it is flawed. Bar swap, use one skill, bar swap back, That is flawed. You bar swap, endless hail, then bar swap again. No. But this does not solve your issue.
But hey, if you would rather complain about the skill than get help then that is your prerogative. But the skill will not be changed because of this thread because the issue described is not a skill issue, it is a player issue. Have fun.
All right then, you are wrong.
By your definition the stam den rotation which is endless,caltrops,swap,sub assault, swap and preoceed would be wrong, therefore your post really has nothing of value to me.
The fact that you just brushed it aside, even though i clearly told you that i already know the other rotation, and found this to be better every single time, shows me that you are not open to discourse, and don't really care, you are only here to adhere to your preconceived wrong notions, goodbye.
LOL. It is not me that is wrong. The entire OP is wrong.
Also, I have not provided a "definition" for anything, let alone a stam den rotation as I thought we were talking about stamplars. Clearly you are putting words into my mouth. Probably to try to dismiss actual information.
If you want help, do what I suggested. If you want to argue your incorrect thoughts then I guess go ahead with that. However, I will only continue if you actually start working on getting the help angle as I already told you why your ideas are wrong.
No, i am not putting words in your mouth, you said the premise of using endless hail barwapping and trap is wrong, i said that going by that logic the entire stamden rot is wrong.
That is not what I said.
LA weaving, Start with potl, swap, endless hail, swap,I am not certain if OP is serious or joking. It almost sounds like they are trying to suggest they are coming from a Templar perspective but no one in their right mind would suggest one of their signature skills does to much damage so it should do less. I call BS.
In case I am wrong and OP does actually play a Templar and is just misguided, the second paragraph is flawed. If a Templar does a proper rotation correctly they will not overwrite PoL. If they are then either the rotation is wrong or they did not do it right. It really is that simple. Logic dictates this.
So in the end, the OP of this thread can be disregarded as it is very flawed and misguided or intended to be a distraction.
The part in bold is what I commented on and said bar swap, use one skill, bar swap was wrong. You really need to read properly or stop putting words in my mouth. It is one or the other.
Until you want to find out what you are doing wrong with PoL then I suggest you do not recast PoL until you hear the explosion. It is the best thing you can do until you learn to do the rotation properly, and make no mistake, the problem is not with the skill.1 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am not certain if OP is serious or joking. It almost sounds like they are trying to suggest they are coming from a Templar perspective but no one in their right mind would suggest one of their signature skills does to much damage so it should do less. I call BS.
In case I am wrong and OP does actually play a Templar and is just misguided, the second paragraph is flawed. If a Templar does a proper rotation correctly they will not overwrite PoL. If they are then either the rotation is wrong or they did not do it right. It really is that simple. Logic dictates this.
So in the end, the OP of this thread can be disregarded as it is very flawed and misguided or intended to be a distraction.
You are wrong, if you do a full la rot, as you should, and do it perfectly, you will notice that you lose a few casts. Maybe since you all accuse me of not doing the rot properly, maybe you should try it, and see for yourself, that is, if you have the skills to do it.
Anyway, the option i provided is pretty much superior,it will reduce burst a little bit, which is a bit too high, the overall damage will be higher even if you reduce the copied damage to 10 %, and you will not risk into casting it too early and being punished for doing your rot properly.
First, about your suggestion that you improperly claim is superior.
You have it doing less damage. If it does less damage then by definition it will do less damage.
You seem to think that because you are allowing the skill to be cast on top of each other that somehow this makes up for the lower damage per action or damage per cast. This is where you are wrong because DPS is determined by damage per action and you are lowered that which makes your idea inferior.
Second, if you are having a problem with overwriting PoL before the duration has expriered then I suggest do a video and link I there. We can probably help you figure out a solution as the problem is clearly localized to you.
I already gave all the information you need, you can test the rot, but if it works for me it should work for everyone.
I already know the liko rotation, the "usual" rotation, i just found a better one, and even if i miss few potl it's still superior in terms of damage, it's just very annoying to have to slow down the rot because of it, or miss a proc because you perfected your rotation, this is the only ability in the game were playing better actually punished you in some way.
So i provided an alternative.
And anyway, potl is bugged, so they should fix it anyway, for one, the tooltip seems to be incorrect.
First of all, it is you experiencing this issue and it is clearly not a wide spread issue. So no, we do not have the information needed. We do not have how you actually perform the rotation that is causing your issues.
Second, just a quick look at your rotation, the first few items, it is flawed. Bar swap, use one skill, bar swap back, That is flawed. You bar swap, endless hail, then bar swap again. No. But this does not solve your issue.
But hey, if you would rather complain about the skill than get help then that is your prerogative. But the skill will not be changed because of this thread because the issue described is not a skill issue, it is a player issue. Have fun.
All right then, you are wrong.
By your definition the stam den rotation which is endless,caltrops,swap,sub assault, swap and preoceed would be wrong, therefore your post really has nothing of value to me.
The fact that you just brushed it aside, even though i clearly told you that i already know the other rotation, and found this to be better every single time, shows me that you are not open to discourse, and don't really care, you are only here to adhere to your preconceived wrong notions, goodbye.
LOL. It is not me that is wrong. The entire OP is wrong.
Also, I have not provided a "definition" for anything, let alone a stam den rotation as I thought we were talking about stamplars. Clearly you are putting words into my mouth. Probably to try to dismiss actual information.
If you want help, do what I suggested. If you want to argue your incorrect thoughts then I guess go ahead with that. However, I will only continue if you actually start working on getting the help angle as I already told you why your ideas are wrong.
No, i am not putting words in your mouth, you said the premise of using endless hail barwapping and trap is wrong, i said that going by that logic the entire stamden rot is wrong.
That is not what I said.
LA weaving, Start with potl, swap, endless hail, swap,I am not certain if OP is serious or joking. It almost sounds like they are trying to suggest they are coming from a Templar perspective but no one in their right mind would suggest one of their signature skills does to much damage so it should do less. I call BS.
In case I am wrong and OP does actually play a Templar and is just misguided, the second paragraph is flawed. If a Templar does a proper rotation correctly they will not overwrite PoL. If they are then either the rotation is wrong or they did not do it right. It really is that simple. Logic dictates this.
So in the end, the OP of this thread can be disregarded as it is very flawed and misguided or intended to be a distraction.
The part in bold is what I commented on and said bar swap, use one skill, bar swap was wrong. You really need to read properly or stop putting words in my mouth. It is one or the other.
Until you want to find out what you are doing wrong with PoL then I suggest you do not recast PoL until you hear the explosion. It is the best thing you can do until you learn to do the rotation properly, and make no mistake, the problem is not with the skill.
So are you actually gonna test it out or?
Dude, are you joking with me? You said, swap, endless hail, swap, which then you would continue to use trap and swap again to get your backbar dot up, is wrong, when that is exactly the part were i said that it;s better even after i tested it a lot of times?
Power of the light, swap, endless swap is the beginning of the rotation, you apply minor fracture as soon as you can, and then you barswap to apply your backbar dots, that's how it would usually go, i just slightly modified it, so now, after you use potl, you don't have to do 1 light attack to keep up ay, and instead immediately swap, apply endless, swap again, trap, swap and proceed, this way you don't lose time, using a la which is useless, and makes you lose dps overall at every cycle.
But ofc, i understood it wrong right?
It doesn't really matter, if you said the potl swap endless swap is wrong, the point of the matter is that swap endless hail swap is wrong, at least in your opinion, the potl part is irrelevant, because you always apply it first, so it's moot, it's a moot point, you always use it first, unless, you are parsing and wanna get the absolute highest dps possible and use trap first, then potl, but honestly, i am not here to show the highest amount of dps possible, i am here to show a point about potl.
And the point is, you get punished for playing stamplar in the best way possible, because potl, because you either recast it too soon, during the first part of the rotation, or you have to wait for it to run out, even if it's only about 0.3 seconds, it's disruptive to the rotation, and it;s a dps loss, but mostly disruptive.Edited by JinMori on March 15, 2019 7:27AM0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am not certain if OP is serious or joking. It almost sounds like they are trying to suggest they are coming from a Templar perspective but no one in their right mind would suggest one of their signature skills does to much damage so it should do less. I call BS.
In case I am wrong and OP does actually play a Templar and is just misguided, the second paragraph is flawed. If a Templar does a proper rotation correctly they will not overwrite PoL. If they are then either the rotation is wrong or they did not do it right. It really is that simple. Logic dictates this.
So in the end, the OP of this thread can be disregarded as it is very flawed and misguided or intended to be a distraction.
You are wrong, if you do a full la rot, as you should, and do it perfectly, you will notice that you lose a few casts. Maybe since you all accuse me of not doing the rot properly, maybe you should try it, and see for yourself, that is, if you have the skills to do it.
Anyway, the option i provided is pretty much superior,it will reduce burst a little bit, which is a bit too high, the overall damage will be higher even if you reduce the copied damage to 10 %, and you will not risk into casting it too early and being punished for doing your rot properly.
First, about your suggestion that you improperly claim is superior.
You have it doing less damage. If it does less damage then by definition it will do less damage.
You seem to think that because you are allowing the skill to be cast on top of each other that somehow this makes up for the lower damage per action or damage per cast. This is where you are wrong because DPS is determined by damage per action and you are lowered that which makes your idea inferior.
Second, if you are having a problem with overwriting PoL before the duration has expriered then I suggest do a video and link I there. We can probably help you figure out a solution as the problem is clearly localized to you.
I already gave all the information you need, you can test the rot, but if it works for me it should work for everyone.
I already know the liko rotation, the "usual" rotation, i just found a better one, and even if i miss few potl it's still superior in terms of damage, it's just very annoying to have to slow down the rot because of it, or miss a proc because you perfected your rotation, this is the only ability in the game were playing better actually punished you in some way.
So i provided an alternative.
And anyway, potl is bugged, so they should fix it anyway, for one, the tooltip seems to be incorrect.
First of all, it is you experiencing this issue and it is clearly not a wide spread issue. So no, we do not have the information needed. We do not have how you actually perform the rotation that is causing your issues.
Second, just a quick look at your rotation, the first few items, it is flawed. Bar swap, use one skill, bar swap back, That is flawed. You bar swap, endless hail, then bar swap again. No. But this does not solve your issue.
But hey, if you would rather complain about the skill than get help then that is your prerogative. But the skill will not be changed because of this thread because the issue described is not a skill issue, it is a player issue. Have fun.
All right then, you are wrong.
By your definition the stam den rotation which is endless,caltrops,swap,sub assault, swap and preoceed would be wrong, therefore your post really has nothing of value to me.
The fact that you just brushed it aside, even though i clearly told you that i already know the other rotation, and found this to be better every single time, shows me that you are not open to discourse, and don't really care, you are only here to adhere to your preconceived wrong notions, goodbye.
LOL. It is not me that is wrong. The entire OP is wrong.
Also, I have not provided a "definition" for anything, let alone a stam den rotation as I thought we were talking about stamplars. Clearly you are putting words into my mouth. Probably to try to dismiss actual information.
If you want help, do what I suggested. If you want to argue your incorrect thoughts then I guess go ahead with that. However, I will only continue if you actually start working on getting the help angle as I already told you why your ideas are wrong.
No, i am not putting words in your mouth, you said the premise of using endless hail barwapping and trap is wrong, i said that going by that logic the entire stamden rot is wrong.
That is not what I said.
LA weaving, Start with potl, swap, endless hail, swap,I am not certain if OP is serious or joking. It almost sounds like they are trying to suggest they are coming from a Templar perspective but no one in their right mind would suggest one of their signature skills does to much damage so it should do less. I call BS.
In case I am wrong and OP does actually play a Templar and is just misguided, the second paragraph is flawed. If a Templar does a proper rotation correctly they will not overwrite PoL. If they are then either the rotation is wrong or they did not do it right. It really is that simple. Logic dictates this.
So in the end, the OP of this thread can be disregarded as it is very flawed and misguided or intended to be a distraction.
The part in bold is what I commented on and said bar swap, use one skill, bar swap was wrong. You really need to read properly or stop putting words in my mouth. It is one or the other.
Until you want to find out what you are doing wrong with PoL then I suggest you do not recast PoL until you hear the explosion. It is the best thing you can do until you learn to do the rotation properly, and make no mistake, the problem is not with the skill.
So are you actually gonna test it out or?
I am not the one having the issue with their rotation. You are. You have been given suggestions which you choose to ignore.
It really seems you just want to argue. IDC, but I am done arguing with someone would rather argue than solve their issue.
BTW, you are putting words in my mouth again, or you really have a big issue understanding what you read. Either way, I am done wasting my time with the likes of you.1 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am not certain if OP is serious or joking. It almost sounds like they are trying to suggest they are coming from a Templar perspective but no one in their right mind would suggest one of their signature skills does to much damage so it should do less. I call BS.
In case I am wrong and OP does actually play a Templar and is just misguided, the second paragraph is flawed. If a Templar does a proper rotation correctly they will not overwrite PoL. If they are then either the rotation is wrong or they did not do it right. It really is that simple. Logic dictates this.
So in the end, the OP of this thread can be disregarded as it is very flawed and misguided or intended to be a distraction.
You are wrong, if you do a full la rot, as you should, and do it perfectly, you will notice that you lose a few casts. Maybe since you all accuse me of not doing the rot properly, maybe you should try it, and see for yourself, that is, if you have the skills to do it.
Anyway, the option i provided is pretty much superior,it will reduce burst a little bit, which is a bit too high, the overall damage will be higher even if you reduce the copied damage to 10 %, and you will not risk into casting it too early and being punished for doing your rot properly.
First, about your suggestion that you improperly claim is superior.
You have it doing less damage. If it does less damage then by definition it will do less damage.
You seem to think that because you are allowing the skill to be cast on top of each other that somehow this makes up for the lower damage per action or damage per cast. This is where you are wrong because DPS is determined by damage per action and you are lowered that which makes your idea inferior.
Second, if you are having a problem with overwriting PoL before the duration has expriered then I suggest do a video and link I there. We can probably help you figure out a solution as the problem is clearly localized to you.
I already gave all the information you need, you can test the rot, but if it works for me it should work for everyone.
I already know the liko rotation, the "usual" rotation, i just found a better one, and even if i miss few potl it's still superior in terms of damage, it's just very annoying to have to slow down the rot because of it, or miss a proc because you perfected your rotation, this is the only ability in the game were playing better actually punished you in some way.
So i provided an alternative.
And anyway, potl is bugged, so they should fix it anyway, for one, the tooltip seems to be incorrect.
First of all, it is you experiencing this issue and it is clearly not a wide spread issue. So no, we do not have the information needed. We do not have how you actually perform the rotation that is causing your issues.
Second, just a quick look at your rotation, the first few items, it is flawed. Bar swap, use one skill, bar swap back, That is flawed. You bar swap, endless hail, then bar swap again. No. But this does not solve your issue.
But hey, if you would rather complain about the skill than get help then that is your prerogative. But the skill will not be changed because of this thread because the issue described is not a skill issue, it is a player issue. Have fun.
All right then, you are wrong.
By your definition the stam den rotation which is endless,caltrops,swap,sub assault, swap and preoceed would be wrong, therefore your post really has nothing of value to me.
The fact that you just brushed it aside, even though i clearly told you that i already know the other rotation, and found this to be better every single time, shows me that you are not open to discourse, and don't really care, you are only here to adhere to your preconceived wrong notions, goodbye.
LOL. It is not me that is wrong. The entire OP is wrong.
Also, I have not provided a "definition" for anything, let alone a stam den rotation as I thought we were talking about stamplars. Clearly you are putting words into my mouth. Probably to try to dismiss actual information.
If you want help, do what I suggested. If you want to argue your incorrect thoughts then I guess go ahead with that. However, I will only continue if you actually start working on getting the help angle as I already told you why your ideas are wrong.
No, i am not putting words in your mouth, you said the premise of using endless hail barwapping and trap is wrong, i said that going by that logic the entire stamden rot is wrong.
That is not what I said.
LA weaving, Start with potl, swap, endless hail, swap,I am not certain if OP is serious or joking. It almost sounds like they are trying to suggest they are coming from a Templar perspective but no one in their right mind would suggest one of their signature skills does to much damage so it should do less. I call BS.
In case I am wrong and OP does actually play a Templar and is just misguided, the second paragraph is flawed. If a Templar does a proper rotation correctly they will not overwrite PoL. If they are then either the rotation is wrong or they did not do it right. It really is that simple. Logic dictates this.
So in the end, the OP of this thread can be disregarded as it is very flawed and misguided or intended to be a distraction.
The part in bold is what I commented on and said bar swap, use one skill, bar swap was wrong. You really need to read properly or stop putting words in my mouth. It is one or the other.
Until you want to find out what you are doing wrong with PoL then I suggest you do not recast PoL until you hear the explosion. It is the best thing you can do until you learn to do the rotation properly, and make no mistake, the problem is not with the skill.
So are you actually gonna test it out or?
I am not the one having the issue with their rotation. You are. You have been given suggestions which you choose to ignore.
It really seems you just want to argue. IDC, but I am done arguing with someone would rather argue than solve their issue.
BTW, you are putting words in my mouth again, or you really have a big issue understanding what you read. Either way, I am done wasting my time with the likes of you.
Mmkay dude.
Have a good day.
All you had to do was try it out, would take like a few min, and you would have a better rotation, but to each it's own.Edited by JinMori on March 15, 2019 7:30AM0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am not certain if OP is serious or joking. It almost sounds like they are trying to suggest they are coming from a Templar perspective but no one in their right mind would suggest one of their signature skills does to much damage so it should do less. I call BS.
In case I am wrong and OP does actually play a Templar and is just misguided, the second paragraph is flawed. If a Templar does a proper rotation correctly they will not overwrite PoL. If they are then either the rotation is wrong or they did not do it right. It really is that simple. Logic dictates this.
So in the end, the OP of this thread can be disregarded as it is very flawed and misguided or intended to be a distraction.
You are wrong, if you do a full la rot, as you should, and do it perfectly, you will notice that you lose a few casts. Maybe since you all accuse me of not doing the rot properly, maybe you should try it, and see for yourself, that is, if you have the skills to do it.
Anyway, the option i provided is pretty much superior,it will reduce burst a little bit, which is a bit too high, the overall damage will be higher even if you reduce the copied damage to 10 %, and you will not risk into casting it too early and being punished for doing your rot properly.
First, about your suggestion that you improperly claim is superior.
You have it doing less damage. If it does less damage then by definition it will do less damage.
You seem to think that because you are allowing the skill to be cast on top of each other that somehow this makes up for the lower damage per action or damage per cast. This is where you are wrong because DPS is determined by damage per action and you are lowered that which makes your idea inferior.
Second, if you are having a problem with overwriting PoL before the duration has expriered then I suggest do a video and link I there. We can probably help you figure out a solution as the problem is clearly localized to you.
I already gave all the information you need, you can test the rot, but if it works for me it should work for everyone.
I already know the liko rotation, the "usual" rotation, i just found a better one, and even if i miss few potl it's still superior in terms of damage, it's just very annoying to have to slow down the rot because of it, or miss a proc because you perfected your rotation, this is the only ability in the game were playing better actually punished you in some way.
So i provided an alternative.
And anyway, potl is bugged, so they should fix it anyway, for one, the tooltip seems to be incorrect.
First of all, it is you experiencing this issue and it is clearly not a wide spread issue. So no, we do not have the information needed. We do not have how you actually perform the rotation that is causing your issues.
Second, just a quick look at your rotation, the first few items, it is flawed. Bar swap, use one skill, bar swap back, That is flawed. You bar swap, endless hail, then bar swap again. No. But this does not solve your issue.
But hey, if you would rather complain about the skill than get help then that is your prerogative. But the skill will not be changed because of this thread because the issue described is not a skill issue, it is a player issue. Have fun.
All right then, you are wrong.
By your definition the stam den rotation which is endless,caltrops,swap,sub assault, swap and preoceed would be wrong, therefore your post really has nothing of value to me.
The fact that you just brushed it aside, even though i clearly told you that i already know the other rotation, and found this to be better every single time, shows me that you are not open to discourse, and don't really care, you are only here to adhere to your preconceived wrong notions, goodbye.
LOL. It is not me that is wrong. The entire OP is wrong.
Also, I have not provided a "definition" for anything, let alone a stam den rotation as I thought we were talking about stamplars. Clearly you are putting words into my mouth. Probably to try to dismiss actual information.
If you want help, do what I suggested. If you want to argue your incorrect thoughts then I guess go ahead with that. However, I will only continue if you actually start working on getting the help angle as I already told you why your ideas are wrong.
No, i am not putting words in your mouth, you said the premise of using endless hail barwapping and trap is wrong, i said that going by that logic the entire stamden rot is wrong.
That is not what I said.
LA weaving, Start with potl, swap, endless hail, swap,I am not certain if OP is serious or joking. It almost sounds like they are trying to suggest they are coming from a Templar perspective but no one in their right mind would suggest one of their signature skills does to much damage so it should do less. I call BS.
In case I am wrong and OP does actually play a Templar and is just misguided, the second paragraph is flawed. If a Templar does a proper rotation correctly they will not overwrite PoL. If they are then either the rotation is wrong or they did not do it right. It really is that simple. Logic dictates this.
So in the end, the OP of this thread can be disregarded as it is very flawed and misguided or intended to be a distraction.
The part in bold is what I commented on and said bar swap, use one skill, bar swap was wrong. You really need to read properly or stop putting words in my mouth. It is one or the other.
Until you want to find out what you are doing wrong with PoL then I suggest you do not recast PoL until you hear the explosion. It is the best thing you can do until you learn to do the rotation properly, and make no mistake, the problem is not with the skill.
So are you actually gonna test it out or?
I am not the one having the issue with their rotation. You are. You have been given suggestions which you choose to ignore.
It really seems you just want to argue. IDC, but I am done arguing with someone would rather argue than solve their issue.
BTW, you are putting words in my mouth again, or you really have a big issue understanding what you read. Either way, I am done wasting my time with the likes of you.
Mmkay dude.
Have a good day.
All you had to do was try it out, would take like a few min, and you would have a better rotation, but to each it's own.
Because I would not be doing the rotation like you would. You are the one having problems with a rotation that is not delivering PoL correctly, not me.
edit: and by seeing the following post, I was correct.Edited by idk on March 15, 2019 7:51AM1 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am not certain if OP is serious or joking. It almost sounds like they are trying to suggest they are coming from a Templar perspective but no one in their right mind would suggest one of their signature skills does to much damage so it should do less. I call BS.
In case I am wrong and OP does actually play a Templar and is just misguided, the second paragraph is flawed. If a Templar does a proper rotation correctly they will not overwrite PoL. If they are then either the rotation is wrong or they did not do it right. It really is that simple. Logic dictates this.
So in the end, the OP of this thread can be disregarded as it is very flawed and misguided or intended to be a distraction.
You are wrong, if you do a full la rot, as you should, and do it perfectly, you will notice that you lose a few casts. Maybe since you all accuse me of not doing the rot properly, maybe you should try it, and see for yourself, that is, if you have the skills to do it.
Anyway, the option i provided is pretty much superior,it will reduce burst a little bit, which is a bit too high, the overall damage will be higher even if you reduce the copied damage to 10 %, and you will not risk into casting it too early and being punished for doing your rot properly.
First, about your suggestion that you improperly claim is superior.
You have it doing less damage. If it does less damage then by definition it will do less damage.
You seem to think that because you are allowing the skill to be cast on top of each other that somehow this makes up for the lower damage per action or damage per cast. This is where you are wrong because DPS is determined by damage per action and you are lowered that which makes your idea inferior.
Second, if you are having a problem with overwriting PoL before the duration has expriered then I suggest do a video and link I there. We can probably help you figure out a solution as the problem is clearly localized to you.
I already gave all the information you need, you can test the rot, but if it works for me it should work for everyone.
I already know the liko rotation, the "usual" rotation, i just found a better one, and even if i miss few potl it's still superior in terms of damage, it's just very annoying to have to slow down the rot because of it, or miss a proc because you perfected your rotation, this is the only ability in the game were playing better actually punished you in some way.
So i provided an alternative.
And anyway, potl is bugged, so they should fix it anyway, for one, the tooltip seems to be incorrect.
First of all, it is you experiencing this issue and it is clearly not a wide spread issue. So no, we do not have the information needed. We do not have how you actually perform the rotation that is causing your issues.
Second, just a quick look at your rotation, the first few items, it is flawed. Bar swap, use one skill, bar swap back, That is flawed. You bar swap, endless hail, then bar swap again. No. But this does not solve your issue.
But hey, if you would rather complain about the skill than get help then that is your prerogative. But the skill will not be changed because of this thread because the issue described is not a skill issue, it is a player issue. Have fun.
All right then, you are wrong.
By your definition the stam den rotation which is endless,caltrops,swap,sub assault, swap and preoceed would be wrong, therefore your post really has nothing of value to me.
The fact that you just brushed it aside, even though i clearly told you that i already know the other rotation, and found this to be better every single time, shows me that you are not open to discourse, and don't really care, you are only here to adhere to your preconceived wrong notions, goodbye.
LOL. It is not me that is wrong. The entire OP is wrong.
Also, I have not provided a "definition" for anything, let alone a stam den rotation as I thought we were talking about stamplars. Clearly you are putting words into my mouth. Probably to try to dismiss actual information.
If you want help, do what I suggested. If you want to argue your incorrect thoughts then I guess go ahead with that. However, I will only continue if you actually start working on getting the help angle as I already told you why your ideas are wrong.
No, i am not putting words in your mouth, you said the premise of using endless hail barwapping and trap is wrong, i said that going by that logic the entire stamden rot is wrong.
That is not what I said.
LA weaving, Start with potl, swap, endless hail, swap,I am not certain if OP is serious or joking. It almost sounds like they are trying to suggest they are coming from a Templar perspective but no one in their right mind would suggest one of their signature skills does to much damage so it should do less. I call BS.
In case I am wrong and OP does actually play a Templar and is just misguided, the second paragraph is flawed. If a Templar does a proper rotation correctly they will not overwrite PoL. If they are then either the rotation is wrong or they did not do it right. It really is that simple. Logic dictates this.
So in the end, the OP of this thread can be disregarded as it is very flawed and misguided or intended to be a distraction.
The part in bold is what I commented on and said bar swap, use one skill, bar swap was wrong. You really need to read properly or stop putting words in my mouth. It is one or the other.
Until you want to find out what you are doing wrong with PoL then I suggest you do not recast PoL until you hear the explosion. It is the best thing you can do until you learn to do the rotation properly, and make no mistake, the problem is not with the skill.
So are you actually gonna test it out or?
I am not the one having the issue with their rotation. You are. You have been given suggestions which you choose to ignore.
It really seems you just want to argue. IDC, but I am done arguing with someone would rather argue than solve their issue.
BTW, you are putting words in my mouth again, or you really have a big issue understanding what you read. Either way, I am done wasting my time with the likes of you.
Mmkay dude.
Have a good day.
All you had to do was try it out, would take like a few min, and you would have a better rotation, but to each it's own.
Because I would not be doing the rotation like you would. You are the one having problems with a rotation that is not delivering PoL correctly, not me.
Then you didn't really pay a lot of attention.
Because that's not the point, i am not asking you or anyone else, to "correct" my rotation, or to give me information of any kind, i have already taken into consideration and tested a lot of things, and found this rotation to be the best, I am not here to ask any of you to give me any suggestions, i can keep up potl pretty much 100% and not lose a cast, if i slow down the rotation accordingly, that;s the whole point, slowing down because of bad timing on a pretty bad skill, that could be better.Edited by JinMori on March 15, 2019 7:42AM0 -
Vajrak✭✭✭Confirmed: OP is a moron --- complains about PvP skill that works as intended, then complains can't fit it properly into his rotation without losing 1s of dps when having a perfect rotation---how many fights are you managing your perfect rotation anyway (no mechanics to dodge, block, or break)? If you are losing 20k damage in that 0.7s wait---then swap the skill for something else that does comparable damage and doesn't break, problem solved. If you aren't, then waiting that 0.7s is a non-issue. Want an easy way to keep it up? throw in an extra Jabs before recasting--you lose one light attack for one more spammable+burning light proc potentials (which stamplar is already lacking on so losing a lot of damage that way) which solves the rotation/timing issue and maintains your damage. OR---switch one LA to a HA---also solves the issue, while keeping your rotation going just fine and improving your sustain.
So, as many have already suggested---the issue isn't the in the ability/coding. It's in the operator.2 -
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✭✭As for being bursty, last time I checked the "tell" that you have PotL on you is pretty obvious. Its one of those things where you need to do something or take a big hit of damage. You have 6 seconds to take care of it... the minor fracture is probably a bigger deal than the burst.
If I am on my Magicka Templar I cleanse it, if I am on another character I either block (reduce damage taken that it will absorb) or find a Templar's cleansing ritual to synergize on. It rarely makes it to the max damage in Cyrodiil anyway even if I let it go to 6 seconds.
In PVE I make sure I hear the "pop" of it before I recast it in my rotation. If it hasn't popped yet and it is the next skill in my rotation then I do a heavy attack before PotL to synch my rotation back up again. Its not that big a deal really.Playing since beta...0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭They need the burst. If I'm fighting someone with major evasion and minor protection (a very common buff nowadays), that's 33% less damage I'm doing with my spammable, which has trouble hitting its targets in the first place.
Stamplars will also use Dawnbreaker or Empowering Sweep, so that gets neutered also. No other class has this kind of mitigation available against their attacks like stamplar. Without the burst from PoTL they'd be an absolute joke.
So, no. Leave it be.2 -
xboxNA corin6✭✭✭2 things potl needs. Less obvious animation, and to remove its gcd. Nothing screams "HEY IM ABOUT TO TRY AND DPS YOU" like potl. Pvping as stamplar can be a pain in the @ss against any decent player. They try to kite you for days as soon as you cast potl, and the GCD is to slow to start pumping damage. You either catch them in a stun or you have to POTL, try to juke by delaying your stun, then dbos, and jab and hope to God you get them while vigor and maj/min protect and bloodspawn us down. If it doesn't work I almost automatically cast shuffle right after because I know I'm about to be kited. If potl had no gcd, you could go straight into jabs while its casted.Edited by xboxNA corin6 on March 15, 2019 3:02PMI'm a magsorc1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭xboxNA corin6 wrote: »2 things potl needs. Less obvious animation, and to remove its gcd. Nothing screams "HEY IM ABOUT TO TRY AND DPS YOU" like potl. Pvping as stamplar can be a pain in the @ss against any decent player. They try to kite you for days as soon as you cast potl, and the GCD is to slow to start pumping damage. You either catch them in a stun or you have to POTL, try to juke by delaying your stun, then dbos, and jab and hope to God you get them while vigor and maj/min protect and bloodspawn us down. If it doesn't work I almost automatically cast shuffle right after because I know I'm about to be kited. If potl had no gcd, you could go straight into jabs while its casted.
Agreed. It's not just about it being obvious, but it's very intrusive. It's hard to see anything with this huge green vortex swirling around someone. Perhaps just a small green ball above their heads, or a swirl around their legs or hips would be fine. It doesn't need to consume the entire person.
Also, when things get laggy, the animation on PoTL (where your character puts his arm in the air) can hang for a long time, and you're kind of stuck like that unable to do anything else for a while.0