The search for PvE groups/guilds frustrates me

Kalgert · March 2019

I imagined this was the closest to a forum section outside of Looking For Group to vent some sorrow in me, so I am posting this here.

So I am getting pretty frustrated at this point. All the PvE guilds I've been in have either booted me out for reasons I don't wish to dwell in, or I left due to membership being really really low, and it's starting to get on my nerves a bit.

I'm interested in PvE, and thus far the only way I can get in to it is via pugs in Craglorn, or through the LFG, both of which are not that ideal or stable.

Granted, I am having troubles mainly because I have fairly negative reactions whenever someone suggests going to Insert guide website here whenever I ask "Hey, what do you suggest for Current character I'm playing", but even then I didn't think it'd be so unreasonably difficult to find a place to settle down in and... You know. Do dungeons and shizz.

Like at the moment I wish to get the Burning Spellweave set for my Dunmer DK, as I'd like to have it on hand if I wish to switch back to being a Fire Mage, and yet I either have to sit around for many minutes waiting for the LFG to pop, or pester zone chat for many minutes until giving up.

What in the Eight Divines am I supposed to do!?

Vanthras79 · March 2019

Is there is a looking for guild function coming with Elswyere? That is what I thought at least, so that may help.

Donny_Vito · March 2019

My best experience with joining new guilds happens after PUGS. I'm not sure what platform you are on....but on Xbox Console if I meet someone cool in group voice chat and they're a decent player, I'll invite them to my guild or vice-versa. I think I remember from playing PC that there are no voice comms (weird?) so it might be a little harder there if thats your platform, but honestly just try to find decent players in a PUG that went pretty well and ask for an invite.

Agenericname · March 2019

Kalgert wrote: »

I imagined this was the closest to a forum section outside of Looking For Group to vent some sorrow in me, so I am posting this here.

So I am getting pretty frustrated at this point. All the PvE guilds I've been in have either booted me out for reasons I don't wish to dwell in, or I left due to membership being really really low, and it's starting to get on my nerves a bit.

I'm interested in PvE, and thus far the only way I can get in to it is via pugs in Craglorn, or through the LFG, both of which are not that ideal or stable.

Granted, I am having troubles mainly because I have fairly negative reactions whenever someone suggests going to Insert guide website here whenever I ask "Hey, what do you suggest for Current character I'm playing", but even then I didn't think it'd be so unreasonably difficult to find a place to settle down in and... You know. Do dungeons and shizz.

Like at the moment I wish to get the Burning Spellweave set for my Dunmer DK, as I'd like to have it on hand if I wish to switch back to being a Fire Mage, and yet I either have to sit around for many minutes waiting for the LFG to pop, or pester zone chat for many minutes until giving up.

What in the Eight Divines am I supposed to do!?

You're having "negative reactions" to their answers when you are asking them for advice, are you expecting that to go well?

They're probably just being honest. Many in this game copy builds from others. You're in essence doing the same thing.

An alternative could be, test the gear/builds yourself and find your own data.

The funny thing about the RDF and random groups from zone is that I've made a lot of friends that way.

Kalgert · March 2019

Agenericname wrote: »

You're having "negative reactions" to their answers when you are asking them for advice, are you expecting that to go well

It honestly wouldn't be so bad, if they would at least name names, as opposed to say "Look at this website lul". Would help if there were at least sites that were pleasing to the eye, or were formatted in a way that could provide decent information.

For example, take a look at these three screenshots. One is Icyveins, a WoW related website for guides and such, and the other is Xynode, an ESO related website for guides. For the sake of it, let's throw in Alcast as well as I too have qualms with it. Tell me, which of the three would you find more pleasing to look at, and more informative without trying to bloat the guide with needless details? And yes, I realize I am cheating because I am including a guide site from a different MMO, buuuut... Sue me, it's the only one I can think of that I can enjoy, or at the very least tolerate reading through.

If you ask me, Xynode just fails because the background interferes with the text, the guide is also bloated with text, and I dare you to try and read the blue text without feeling like punching the person writing the guide for being dishonorable. Alcast, on a second look, doesn't look too bad, though the background doesn't do it any favors, as it looks really lifeless and depressing, and I kinda feel a little irked with how it offloads a bunch of details all over the place. Icyveins has a blue background which helps make it look a bit more lively, and the information is fairly well laid out. Also a new thing I haven't seen before, is that there are pages to the guides, so you don't end up reading a massive block that you have to jump through in order to find what you're looking for.

Ultimately, I wish to ask is: Send me a link to a website that doesn't look terrible, and I'll be less inclined to a passive aggressive reaction and actually consider shifting through it.

This has been a bit of a ramble, i realize, but I just really feel frustrated with wishing to do PvE, but hurdles are kind of preventing me from that. Moving onward:

Donny_Vito wrote: »

My best experience with joining new guilds happens after PUGS. I'm not sure what platform you are on....but on Xbox Console if I meet someone cool in group voice chat and they're a decent player, I'll invite them to my guild or vice-versa. I think I remember from playing PC that there are no voice comms (weird?) so it might be a little harder there if thats your platform, but honestly just try to find decent players in a PUG that went pretty well and ask for an invite.

I can't imagine myself wanting to use voice communication with pugs. Have a hard time wanting to use it in general really.

But I must admit, I haven't thought about asking in pugs for any guild invites. I'll give that a try next time I'm running through a Trial in a pug.

MissBizz · March 2019

Vanthras79 wrote: »

Is there is a looking for guild function coming with Elswyere? That is what I thought at least, so that may help.

There is.

Suddwrath · March 2019

Which platform/server are you on?

casparian · March 2019

Edit: nvm I used the power of google.

Kalgert · March 2019

MissBizz wrote: »

Vanthras79 wrote: »

Is there is a looking for guild function coming with Elswyere? That is what I thought at least, so that may help.

There is.

Hmm... That may help. I'll stick around for Elsweyr's launch and I'll have a look how that is.

SaltySudd wrote: »

Which platform/server are you on?

PC Europe. Why, do you have an offer that I can't refuse?

code65536 · March 2019

PvE sucks because websites have ugly design... ?

Suddwrath · March 2019

Kalgert wrote: »

PC Europe. Why, do you have an offer that I can't refuse?

I would have if you were in a different region on a different platform :P

Kalgert · March 2019

code65536 wrote: »

PvE sucks because websites have ugly design... ?

Is it safe to do a whoosh? Because I think this is a whoosh moment.

I'm miffed because I can't find groups or guilds to play with, and they are part of the problem (At least, they seem to have been for one guild). I brought the websites up because the person I wished to explain my problem with visual examples.

So... How does that equal "I think PvE sucks" to you?

vamp_emily · March 2019

In the beginning, when I started a dungeon trials guild "Friendly Dungeon Runners" it was awesome. We had players wanting to do pledges every day ( on several characters ), we had players grinding gear, and we did trials 3 or 4 days a week.

The problem I came across was the members were tired. They got all the gear they needed and just wanted to relax or started playing eso less. That put a lot of pressure on me when I was helping players, who wanted to do a trial, form groups. It started taking me around an hour to get a group together.

From my experience, I would definitely suggest starting a new guild. It will take time but you will end up with a group of ACTIVE players that enjoy doing the same things you do.

One thing I liked about Friendly Dungeon Runners is the messages I received from new players. They would thank me for helping them do their first trial. Very rewarding.

Agenericname · March 2019

@Kalgert
That's not seeing the forest for the trees. Xynode publishes good info, a little niche in some cases, but good none-the-less. I like his videos for their in-depth explanations. That's where information comes from. Even if you don't use his builds, the information is helpful. Isn't that what you were looking for?

Alcast publishes good info as well. Not as in depth as Xynode, but still good. They seem to appeal to different audiences, but the information is there just the same.

If you're disregarding the information because it wasn't presented exactly like you wanted it, then you may find a few more hurdles on your journey to acquiring all those skins.

In my opinion, those aren't hurdles at all. As far as I know, English isn't Alcast's native language, that would have been a hurdle. Even it if were a legitimate hurdle, many have jumped it as you'll just as easily find people complaining that too many people are using those builds.

I don't find it unusual that people will refer to them and certainly not deserving of angst for merely suggesting them. Until people start to mandate that I use X because of it, I'm perfectly fine with it.

Suddwrath · March 2019

vamp_emily wrote: »

In the beginning, when I started a dungeon trials guild "Friendly Dungeon Runners" it was awesome. We had players wanting to do pledges every day ( on several characters ), we had players grinding gear, and we did trials 3 or 4 days a week.

I'm in your guild and it makes me sad that there are so many people in it but the dungeon scene is basically empty since everyone has what they need

I would definitely be up for revitalizing it. I was an officer of a large dungeon/trials guild on Xbox before I switched to PC, and now that I'm restarting on PC I have to grind basically every single gear set again anyways so I'm down to help others with those sets as well.

Kalgert · March 2019

@vamp_emily You sound like a swell individual, wish I knew of your guild when it was still active, assuming you were based in Europe.

Agenericname wrote: »

That's not seeing the forest for the trees. Xynode publishes good info, a little niche in some cases, but good none-the-less. I like his videos for their in-depth explanations. That's where information comes from. Even if you don't use his builds, the information is helpful. Isn't that what you were looking for?

I guess I could watch his videos... But I don't like the idea of watching an hour long video of someone sounding disinterested and not...

At least, I couldn't get past ten minutes without switching off.

Agenericname wrote: »

If you're disregarding the information because it wasn't presented exactly like you wanted it, then you may find a few more hurdles on your journey to acquiring all those skins.

Honestly? I don't even give a toss about the skins anymore (Didn't even have any interest in using them). I've grown so bitter of PvE that the skins don't even bother me with their presence being locked behind challenges that are... In all honesty, quite stupid (The timed run veteran hard mode I can get behind. Not so much for no-death run though...). Now my only interest is collecting different gear, that honestly just isn't sitting well considering how I am unable to find groups or guilds to run them.

Agenericname wrote: »

I don't find it unusual that people will refer to them and certainly not deserving of angst for merely suggesting them. Until people start to mandate that I use X because of it, I'm perfectly fine with it.

And I don't intend on silently nodding my head, smiling while I am suggested to go through a website that looks hideously designed. Perhaps I could react a bit differently from jumping at people with the fury and fervor of a horker in heat.

And from my experience, guide suggestions usually translate to "Hey, use this build and only this build, until a different build is published and proven to be more effective".

Liofa · March 2019

As a Guild Master, I wouldn't even consider taking a player to my guild if they can't be bothered to read a guide online because the design looks bad. These guides are free. The creator doesn't have to make it look good. The purpose is to teach, not give your eyes something to enjoy looking at. A guilds purpose is to get better together and progress as a team. No wonder you are having troubles finding a guild, knowing that you refuse to read free information that can help you get better at the game and be more useful to the guild you want to get in.

T3hasiangod · March 2019

Liofa wrote: »

As a Guild Master, I wouldn't even consider taking a player to my guild if they can't be bothered to read a guide online because the design looks bad. These guides are free. The creator doesn't have to make it look good. The purpose is to teach, not give your eyes something to enjoy looking at. A guilds purpose is to get better together and progress as a team. No wonder you are having troubles finding a guild, knowing that you refuse to read free information that can help you get better at the game and be more useful to the guild you want to get in.

Emphasis added. I already put in hours of work into my videos, including going over mathematics, testing various builds where the math is muddy, actually recording the videos, etc. I'm not going to spend another hour making a good looking thumbnail or format the description or make a well-written guide. I have enough on my plate between my schoolwork, real life, and research.

If you aren't going to use the resources freely available to you, then don't complain about the lack of resources. And especially don't complain when other people refuse to play with you when going for harder content. Part of group play is being a group member, and part of being a good group member is to do your research ahead of time so the rest of the team isn't carrying you.

vamp_emily · March 2019

SaltySudd wrote: »

I would definitely be up for revitalizing it. I was an officer of a large dungeon/trials guild on Xbox before I switched to PC, and now that I'm restarting on PC I have to grind basically every single gear set again anyways so I'm down to help others with those sets as well.

We can talk, in game, when you have time. My mailbox is full of pvp rewards, so it is best just to message me when you see me online. I'm normally on between 6:00pm - 8:00pm during the week days.

DjMuscleboy02 · March 2019

Most of what I would say has already been said, but if you're not wishing to use builds online because of personal preference bear in mind that you are looking to get into group play. Typically, you can run what you like and do whatever you want, but if that's what you're trying to do right off the bat then I can see why people would possibly remove you from the guild. That's kinda like playing soccer(football) with tennis shoes and slipping everywhere, telling people you don't like how cleats fit, then wondering why people would rather not play with you.

My best advice would just be to just read and follow the guides. Then deviate from them once you have made friends who won't mind.

Peekachu99 · March 2019

The suggestion that YTers are required watching to play the game with a certain level of competence is a.) false b.) borderline shameless plugging. Nor should it be necessary if a game is properly constructed in it’s social tools and design. Where is the world chat? Where is an LFG interface where you can mark yourself as a “newb” looking for other newbs to bungle through Trials?

Guild Finder coming with the next Chapter is another stumble along the road to ZoS actually getting with the program in regards to modern game design. I’m not saying that they should streamline dungeon and Trial runs to the extent that you click a button and queue (although that certainly works for WoW and FFXIV), but their reluctance to enhance the social experience to the point where it’s taken FIVE YEARS TO GET A SEARCH FUNCTION is indicative of their antiquated behaviour. It will be the game’s undoing if they persist, since people will just migrate to more enriched social atmospheres.

Kalgert · March 2019

Liofa wrote: »

As a Guild Master, I wouldn't even consider taking a player to my guild if they can't be bothered to read a guide online because the design looks bad. These guides are free. The creator doesn't have to make it look good. The purpose is to teach, not give your eyes something to enjoy looking at. A guilds purpose is to get better together and progress as a team. No wonder you are having troubles finding a guild, knowing that you refuse to read free information that can help you get better at the game and be more useful to the guild you want to get in.

Well. Good thing I have no interest in joining you, if that is your attitude.

So you are saying that a website can have whatever look it wants, as long as it is informative? What? For Xynode I can't even properly read the blue text due to the background, but hey, who cares, it is an informative piece so it's okay by your logic.

Honestly I should consider just copy-pasting the text, edit it around so it will be more pleasant and less bloated to read through.

I am more than willing to listen to suggestions from guild members, but I don't know what is more unhelpful. Someone merely siggesting a website, or someone disregarding comfort when it comes to reading stuff.

Actually, I'll just say it. You sound incompetent and terrible if you don't care for people's reading comfort, and should not lead guilds.

Liofa · March 2019

Kalgert wrote: »

Well. Good thing I have no interest in joining you, if that is your attitude.

So you are saying that a website can have whatever look it wants, as long as it is informative? What? For Xynode I can't even properly read the blue text due to the background, but hey, who cares, it is an informative piece so it's okay by your logic.

Honestly I should consider just copy-pasting the text, edit it around so it will be more pleasant and less bloated to read through.

I am more than willing to listen to suggestions from guild members, but I don't know what is more unhelpful. Someone merely siggesting a website, or someone disregarding comfort when it comes to reading stuff.

Actually, I'll just say it. You sound incompetent and terrible if you don't care for people's reading comfort, and should not lead guilds.

The irony is just... wow. I wish you best of luck mate. You gonna need it in your search for the special guild you deserve.

DjMuscleboy02 · March 2019

Kalgert wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

As a Guild Master, I wouldn't even consider taking a player to my guild if they can't be bothered to read a guide online because the design looks bad. These guides are free. The creator doesn't have to make it look good. The purpose is to teach, not give your eyes something to enjoy looking at. A guilds purpose is to get better together and progress as a team. No wonder you are having troubles finding a guild, knowing that you refuse to read free information that can help you get better at the game and be more useful to the guild you want to get in.

Well. Good thing I have no interest in joining you, if that is your attitude.

So you are saying that a website can have whatever look it wants, as long as it is informative? What? For Xynode I can't even properly read the blue text due to the background, but hey, who cares, it is an informative piece so it's okay by your logic.

Honestly I should consider just copy-pasting the text, edit it around so it will be more pleasant and less bloated to read through.

I am more than willing to listen to suggestions from guild members, but I don't know what is more unhelpful. Someone merely siggesting a website, or someone disregarding comfort when it comes to reading stuff.

Actually, I'll just say it. You sound incompetent and terrible if you don't care for people's reading comfort, and should not lead guilds.

Jesus. I felt for you a little bit after your original post, but after reading this and the other things you've posted on this thread I really sympathize with any guild unfortunate enough to recruit you. You genuinely sound like a nightmare to have to deal with. Good luck finding a group of people to play with.

stileanima · March 2019

I invite you to join TRE, a discord for players who are interested in and have questions about all kinds of PvE content, especially end game raiding. There are lots of incredible players there who would be happy to help!

https://discord.gg/a58MuP

ralphylauren · March 2019

stileanima wrote: »

I invite you to join TRE, a discord for players who are interested in and have questions about all kinds of PvE content, especially end game raiding. There are lots of incredible players there who would be happy to help!

https://discord.gg/a58MuP

One of the best reply’s imo. Seems like some would like to hang OP for stating his frustrations

Pevey · March 2019

Friends help out friends. To make friends, you just have to be friendly.

Kalgert · March 2019

Peekachu99 wrote: »

The suggestion that YTers are required watching to play the game with a certain level of competence is a.) false b.) borderline shameless plugging. Nor should it be necessary if a game is properly constructed in it’s social tools and design. Where is the world chat? Where is an LFG interface where you can mark yourself as a “newb” looking for other newbs to bungle through Trials?

You know, more tools for social interaction between players in-game would be quite nice. At the very least it'd be nice to see people talking game mechanics for a change. More often than not in zone chat it's either LFG stuff, or people recruiting for guilds in cryptic letters that look Daedric.

So tools other than Zone Chat LFG to get people together, such as your "Newbs looking for other newbs" idea would be quite welcome At least it'd be better than watching Youtubers talking about builds without a possible back-and-forth conversation to be had (And let's be honest, comment sections aren't quite the best on Youtube)

Liofa wrote: »

Kalgert wrote: »

Well. Good thing I have no interest in joining you, if that is your attitude.

So you are saying that a website can have whatever look it wants, as long as it is informative? What? For Xynode I can't even properly read the blue text due to the background, but hey, who cares, it is an informative piece so it's okay by your logic.

Honestly I should consider just copy-pasting the text, edit it around so it will be more pleasant and less bloated to read through.

I am more than willing to listen to suggestions from guild members, but I don't know what is more unhelpful. Someone merely siggesting a website, or someone disregarding comfort when it comes to reading stuff.

Actually, I'll just say it. You sound incompetent and terrible if you don't care for people's reading comfort, and should not lead guilds.

The irony is just... wow. I wish you best of luck mate. You gonna need it in your search for the special guild you deserve.

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Kalgert wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

As a Guild Master, I wouldn't even consider taking a player to my guild if they can't be bothered to read a guide online because the design looks bad. These guides are free. The creator doesn't have to make it look good. The purpose is to teach, not give your eyes something to enjoy looking at. A guilds purpose is to get better together and progress as a team. No wonder you are having troubles finding a guild, knowing that you refuse to read free information that can help you get better at the game and be more useful to the guild you want to get in.

Well. Good thing I have no interest in joining you, if that is your attitude.

So you are saying that a website can have whatever look it wants, as long as it is informative? What? For Xynode I can't even properly read the blue text due to the background, but hey, who cares, it is an informative piece so it's okay by your logic.

Honestly I should consider just copy-pasting the text, edit it around so it will be more pleasant and less bloated to read through.

I am more than willing to listen to suggestions from guild members, but I don't know what is more unhelpful. Someone merely siggesting a website, or someone disregarding comfort when it comes to reading stuff.

Actually, I'll just say it. You sound incompetent and terrible if you don't care for people's reading comfort, and should not lead guilds.

Jesus. I felt for you a little bit after your original post, but after reading this and the other things you've posted on this thread I really sympathize with any guild unfortunate enough to recruit you. You genuinely sound like a nightmare to have to deal with. Good luck finding a group of people to play with.

What kind of reaction did you expect, from someone who seemed to want to have a go at me, and then has an equally passive-aggressive response?

Also, you're being a bit melodramatic, don't you think? "Unfortunate enough to recruit me"... You make it sound like I am a demon who eats babies and defiles wives.

stileanima wrote: »

I invite you to join TRE, a discord for players who are interested in and have questions about all kinds of PvE content, especially end game raiding. There are lots of incredible players there who would be happy to help!

https://discord.gg/a58MuP

Joined the Discord channel. Thanks for the invite.

ralphylauren wrote: »

stileanima wrote: »

I invite you to join TRE, a discord for players who are interested in and have questions about all kinds of PvE content, especially end game raiding. There are lots of incredible players there who would be happy to help!

https://discord.gg/a58MuP

One of the best reply’s imo. Seems like some would like to hang OP for stating his frustrations

I will admit that I maaaay have made some bold reactionary messages on the foundation of emotion, but let's be honest, I think anyone would make some fairly saucy comments if they were experiencing bitter resentment and frustration accumulated over a long period of time.

lassitershawn · March 2019

If you're on PC, discord is the best way to find new people/guilds. You will be expected to use comms for serious PvE but as a DPS it isn't likely that you'll have to speak barely at all if you don't want to. Online guides are ok but if you can find someone you know is good to analyze your build and technique in person it really helps and there are tons of players you can find on discord that would be more than willing.

It is pretty easy to get picked up by a raid group just by doing well and being likeable in open runs/filling. Be willing to learn and show improvement and that is about it for getting into raiding.

Runefang · March 2019

This thread is just... wow.

gronoxvx · March 2019

Looks like you are wanting everything on a platter when in reality very few people make their own builds in ESO other than maybe changing one or two skills max.

And if you are reacting negatively then what do you expect? I understand it can be frustrating, but If you stir drama in guilds u will get booted no matter what.

Take a chill pill and try different guilds. Ive been in countless guilds to get to my current group of guilds. It just takes time and im sure you’ll find a guild that will cater for your needs.

Also as its been mentioned already, pugging trials and asking for guild invites is a great way to flesh out the guild before you join which can help.