ESO Rules

Dax · April 2014

Could someone please point me in the direction of them? I have tried looking but I'm incompetent and can't seem to find them. :P

More specifically the rules related to Spam, Scamming, Macros and Afking but all of them would be helpful.

Thank you for the help.

Dax · April 2014

Bump

Seroczynski · April 2014

Use common sense.

Don't spam.
Trading scam: this is happening in the real world, thus it is a possibility in ESO. You just make yourself look like a (...) though. Up to you if you think it's worth it.
Account scam, obviously a big no no.
Macros are allowed.
AFK is allowed. You will get booted after a set amount of time though.

MercyKilling · April 2014

Scroll down to the bottom of this page. Under the word SUPPORT you will see several other clickable links:
Privacy Policy
Terms of Use
Legal Information
Jobs

With the exception of that last one, you'll find what you seek in one or all of those.

Treluk · April 2014

I think you're average kind of rules would obviously imply as the ones Sero stated.

Dax · April 2014

"Don't spam." But my question relates to what is considered spam, is trying to sell your items in chat always consider spam like in some games? Or repeating any message 3 times? Or 5? Or..

"Trading scam: this is happening in the real world, thus it is a possibility in ESO. You just make yourself look like a (...) though. Up to you if you think it's worth it." I'm more interested in what would be considered a scam. Say for example I wanted to sell my Vampire bite, while I have every intention of providing the person what they paid for I know in some games any sort of trust trade is immediately considered a scam even if no scam actually takes place.

"Account scam, obviously a big no no." Not what I meant.

"Macros are allowed." All Macros? I seriously hope not. You mean I could write a script to kill mobs for me and it's allowed? If it is I might as well just quit now lol.

What I meant though is if I allowed to write myself a autobuff macro to assist with playing and a actual autoloot. Using a autotyper for the occasional advert while I play would be good too (if allowed).

"AFK is allowed. You will get booted after a set amount of time though." But is afk gaining xp allowed? For example leaving your left mouse button held down at a spawn until it kicks you.

Hyperventilate · April 2014

If you're not going to play the game, then just don't play it. Having a button taped down is not gaming. This is silly and I'd think it would be best to just play when you have time.

Dax · April 2014

MercyKilling wrote: »

Scroll down to the bottom of this page. Under the word SUPPORT you will see several other clickable links:
Privacy Policy
Terms of Use
Legal Information
Jobs

With the exception of that last one, you'll find what you seek in one or all of those.

Thanks! I'll give them a good read.

Hyperventilate wrote: »

If you're not going to play the game, then just don't play it. Having a button taped down is not gaming. This is silly and I'd think it would be best to just play when you have time.

People play games for different reasons in different ways, that's part of what makes mmos worth playing.

I like to be efficient when achieving the goals I set myself in mmos, if it's allowed i'd like to be able to get a small amount of extra xp towards one of my goals when I leave for the day.

I appreciate that's not how you play mmos, but I've only given myself until the 1st of July to get v10 on whatever my main ends up being with 7 other v1 critters. So long as I break no rule or exploit no bug I don't really care how I get the alts to 50, I'm already just grinding the xp and I'm only on the second 50 lol.

"This is silly and I'd think it would be best to just play when you have time." Sadly I let myself have 6 hours of sleep per day, if I could have myself gain xp (albeit inefficient xp) then it would help me feel a bit better about my xp waste.

Hyperventilate · April 2014

Your personal sleep schedule is your choice. Developers and games should not build their games or allow exploits/workaround mechanics because you gave yourself a deadline and allow yourself X hours of sleep.

Most games I have played do not allow for non-player interactions (Such as taping down mouse buttons, auto macros that play the game for you, etc.) Some companies take a firmer stance than others (For example, you'd be permabanned so fast in Guild Wars but in Rift they may take a while to get to you.)

So, if you like this game, and you want to enjoy it, I'd err on the side of caution. If you wish to stick to your self imposed restrictions, that's fine and dandy since it's your own account you'd be risking. You will not get a mod telling you that your actions are acceptable nor will you find any written rule that states "Taped down mouse buttons are A-OK."

If you want to risk it, then risk it. I wouldn't advise it, but it seems your mind was already made up regardless of the information you may have potentially received from this thread.

Dax · April 2014

I don't want to risk anything, that's why I'm asking what the rules actually are.

You're welcome to your opinions, but I'm not sure how they relate to the topic. I want to play the game as efficiently as possible to achieve my goals, so I'm asking for clarity on what I am allowed to do not what you personally don't like.

Dax · April 2014

MercyKilling wrote: »

Scroll down to the bottom of this page. Under the word SUPPORT you will see several other clickable links:
Privacy Policy
Terms of Use
Legal Information
Jobs

With the exception of that last one, you'll find what you seek in one or all of those.

No luck, read all of them and didn't answer the questions. Thanks anywho though.

KerinKor · April 2014

Dax wrote: »

I like to be efficient when achieving the goals I set myself in mmos, if it's allowed i'd like to be able to get a small amount of extra xp towards one of my goals when I leave for the day.

That is a bannable offense in every MMO I play, it's called unattended gameplay and all EULAs I've seen ban it.

KerinKor · April 2014

KerinKor wrote: »

Dax wrote: »

I like to be efficient when achieving the goals I set myself in mmos, if it's allowed i'd like to be able to get a small amount of extra xp towards one of my goals when I leave for the day.

That is a bannable offense in every MMO I play, it's called unattended gameplay, can only be achieved by use of third-party software (macro recorders or worse) and all T&Cs I've seen ban it.

Dax · April 2014

KerinKor wrote: »

Dax wrote: »

I like to be efficient when achieving the goals I set myself in mmos, if it's allowed i'd like to be able to get a small amount of extra xp towards one of my goals when I leave for the day.

That is a bannable offense in every MMO I play, it's called unattended gameplay and all EULAs I've seen ban it.

As I keep asking, can I specifically be pointed to where it states it isn't allowed for this specific mmo.

This would be so much faster if I could be shown where these rules are, either they don't exist or people believe that their personal opinion is of more value then the actual rules.

Thank you for trying to help however, yous is one of the more helpful replies.

I've played mmos that allow it, Maplestory for example allows you to leech xp from people or even pay them for it. If AFKing is allowed (as has been indicated by other people) then does that mean leeching in a party while you afk is or isn't allowed? that's not making use of any input from you but it does gain you xp.

SacredWitness · April 2014

You'll never get an itemized, all encompassing list of dos or do nots. ZOS needs room to be able to evaluate new situations as well as keep an obfuscated area in which people can't game the rules to do things that still violate the spirit of them while not the letter. The internet is full of people wanting to "technically" get away with crappy behavior. Don't be one of them.

Dax · April 2014

SacredWitness wrote: »

You'll never get an itemized, all encompassing list of dos or do nots. ZOS needs room to be able to evaluate new situations as well as keep an obfuscated area in which people can't game the rules to do things that still violate the spirit of them while not the letter. The internet is full of people wanting to "technically" get away with crappy behavior. Don't be one of them.

I don't expect a itemized list but as near as I can tell there aren't any rules currently.

Every other game I have played has had rules that differ from game to game, I just want to be able to see what this games rules are (if there even are any).

Remember that a number of mmos not only allow things like scamming but almost encourage it (EVE for example), should I be reporting scammers or not? Is it or isn't it allowed? A simple one line rule from zenimax would answer both of them.

I'm not trying to get away with anything, I hope for rules to the same standard of other games.

"You'll never get an itemized, all encompassing list of dos or do nots.", but is there any list? Even a simple one

waynesrcb14_ESO · April 2014

Rule #1. If you are so foolish as to spend over $100 on a preorder then Zenimax will block your access until the 10th of April, that is if your package does not get lost in the mail.

Dax · April 2014

waynesrcb14_ESO wrote: »

Rule #1. If you are so foolish as to spend over $100 on a preorder then Zenimax will block your access until the 10th of April, that is if your package does not get lost in the mail.

Thanks. Any idea where I can find the rest though?

Kainam · April 2014

Rule #2. When you do receive your $100 preorder, it may or may not contain the access codes necessary to set up an account to start playing, purely at the whims of ZOS.

Dax · April 2014

Kainam wrote: »

Rule #2. When you do receive your $100 preorder, it may or may not contain the access codes necessary to set up an account to start playing, purely at the whims of ZOS.

Can we keep the thread on topic please? Where can I find the game rules?

ZephyrWestwind · April 2014

It sounds like what you are looking for are the EULA and Code of Conduct.
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/code-of-conduct
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula

BTW, spam is defined as more than once.

Dax · April 2014

ZephyrWestwind wrote: »

It sounds like what you are looking for are the EULA and Code of Conduct.
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/code-of-conduct
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula

BTW, spam is defined as more than once.

Not according the zenimax, maybe you need access to some rules also.

"Please refrain from replying to discussion threads for the sole purpose of “bumping” them. This is considered to be a form of spam because it does not add to the discussion in a constructive or meaningful way."

Even one instance of bumping = spam

As for the two links provided, thanks for the links and for trying to help.

However, neither actually answer any of the points besides perhaps spam, can you think of anywhere else the others might be adressed?

Code of conduct:
1. Only talks about obeying real world laws and that the laws from the real life adventure game apply here.
2. Only talks about character names, being abusive towards people, filter avoiding, staff impersonation and misuse of customer support.
3. Only talks about Impersonating other people and zenimax.
4. Only talks about account sharing, not giving out personal information and not trying to obtain other peoples personal information.
5. Does talk about the use of third party software, but cites examples such as aim-bots/speed hacks etc. So I'm still not sure if making macros to assist gameplay would fall under it or not. It also talks about bug exploiting, not related to my questions.
6. Only talks about distributing custom content.
7. Talks about spam sort-of, am I to assume advertising in-game products and services is acceptable?

EULA:
Doesn't seem to touch on ingame much at all and certainly doesn't answer my questions.

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I did set up macros (didn't use them for play yet), but I see from the Code of Conduct that it's very possibly not allowed so I've deleted them and removed the program from my computer. More clarity would be nice though.

Nothing at all is said about AFK-Gaining of xp near as I can tell though, going to assume it's allowed unless shown otherwise.

Scamming isn't mentioned either, It's not important though, I just wanted to know if I should be reporting them or not.

Macros isn't answered, but I'll play it safe as it might be considered third party software but then again, so might my Keyboard and Mouse Drivers.

Spam does mention advertising for "real life" products or services isn't allowed, so I'll assume ingame ones are. I'll keep them to 10 minutes between messages anyway (but would no matter the answer as I don't want to annoy people).

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Most importantly though would be the Macro and AFK XP Gathering clarity though.

Thank you again for your reply!

otomodachi · April 2014

Dax wrote: »

ZephyrWestwind wrote: »

It sounds like what you are looking for are the EULA and Code of Conduct.
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/code-of-conduct
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/eula

BTW, spam is defined as more than once.

Not according the zenimax, maybe you need access to some rules also.

"Please refrain from replying to discussion threads for the sole purpose of “bumping” them. This is considered to be a form of spam because it does not add to the discussion in a constructive or meaningful way."

Even one instance of bumping = spam

As for the two links provided, thanks for the links and for trying to help.

However, neither actually answer any of the points besides perhaps spam, can you think of anywhere else the others might be adressed?

Code of conduct:
1. Only talks about obeying real world laws and that the laws from the real life adventure game apply here.
2. Only talks about character names, being abusive towards people, filter avoiding, staff impersonation and misuse of customer support.
3. Only talks about Impersonating other people and zenimax.
4. Only talks about account sharing, not giving out personal information and not trying to obtain other peoples personal information.
5. Does talk about the use of third party software, but cites examples such as aim-bots/speed hacks etc. So I'm still not sure if making macros to assist gameplay would fall under it or not. It also talks about bug exploiting, not related to my questions.
6. Only talks about distributing custom content.
7. Talks about spam sort-of, am I to assume advertising in-game products and services is acceptable?

EULA:
Doesn't seem to touch on ingame much at all and certainly doesn't answer my questions.

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I did set up macros (didn't use them for play yet), but I see from the Code of Conduct that it's very possibly not allowed so I've deleted them and removed the program from my computer. More clarity would be nice though.

Nothing at all is said about AFK-Gaining of xp near as I can tell though, going to assume it's allowed unless shown otherwise.

Scamming isn't mentioned either, It's not important though, I just wanted to know if I should be reporting them or not.

Macros isn't answered, but I'll play it safe as it might be considered third party software but then again, so might my Keyboard and Mouse Drivers.

Spam does mention advertising for "real life" products or services isn't allowed, so I'll assume ingame ones are. I'll keep them to 10 minutes between messages anyway (but would no matter the answer as I don't want to annoy people).

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Most importantly though would be the Macro and AFK XP Gathering clarity though.

Thank you again for your reply!

It would appear to me all of these rules are un-clearly stated, and inconsistently enforced. So you're right to err on the side of caution.

Armitas · April 2014

Is this what you are looking for? (scroll up after link)

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/60843/community-rules#latest

They stuck it in the official news/patch notes section which is kind of a weird place for it. Something that important should be much more prominent.

Perseas · April 2014

since they FORCE you with capital letters to join guilds be able to sale ur stuff.. All people use the chat!... They have to give us a trade channel, it is proved that its not working, up to date... People cannot be forced to join guilds. Guilds never been mandatory in any game and if its mandatory in ESO, they should advertise it as such.

This is one of the major reasons, I may pause my sub in a point, till they fix it. Because for me thats a conflict, broken.

I dont wish to join guilds the way it is. I will never bind my whole characters in my account in guilds. I am a solo player. I always have 1 guild and in one character be able to do my thing with that... Not bind into my account and all characters.

I only sold 1 item in the chat up to date, because I am avoiding to do so, till they fix it. I dont wish guilds (as many others players also) period... Or they have to fix it, NOT TO bind our accounts into 1 guild. I dont want to bind my entire character list in guilds! I have allergies with guilds... I am asocial, I can prove that.