Tanking vet pledge with no stats pts in HP possible ?

david_m_18b16_ESO · March 2019

I am leveling a stamina dps so well, Im putting every leveling stats into stamina. But queing as a DPS is slow so I plan to equipe a tanking sets and try to tank these.

Is it possible or wouod I be too gimped by missing so many HP ?

code65536 · March 2019

It depends.

What gear are you using? There are ways to get health that don't involve putting points into health.

What kind of content are you tanking? Tanking vFG1 is very different than tanking vFV HM.

How good are you with avoiding damage (e.g., timing of dodge rolls)?

BattleAxe · March 2019

david_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »

I am leveling a stamina dps so well, Im putting every leveling stats into stamina. But queing as a DPS is slow so I plan to equipe a tanking sets and try to tank these.

Is it possible or wouod I be too gimped by missing so many HP ?

I would recommend plague doctor to give you health but first it would be best to keep in mind a tank minimum health should be 30k or more. Also if you go this route to level a stam dps keep in my a tank will be using sword and shield for taunt or an ice destro staff for free range taunt or both. So besides leveling class skills this won’t allow you to effectively level your weapon skill lines unless you use inner fire as ur primary taunt.

Hope this helps point you towards right path.

DoobZ69 · March 2019

I've done all vet HM on non-dlc dungeons with a Sorc tank in decent heavy DPS gear at 22k HP. Anything less than that and general damage has a high probability of killing you. Makes for very fast and fun runs. It is doable but you must know the mechanics well. For DLC vet dungeons you do need to invest into tanking though, so don't even bother trying at low HP, you will literally get 1 shot by trash mobs.

kringled_1 · March 2019

It's absolutely possible, and it's not too hard to hit 33-35k in health. You do have to pick at least one set with multiple health bonuses (although Ebon has worked for me here) and have the heavy armor passives if you want to hit that. Your magicka pool is probably going to be small which cuts into your utility, but it can work. There is even a (small) window to have all your attribute points in magicka, hit those health targets, and still have stamina higher than magicka (this is to ensure that shards/orbs return stamina), but it pretty much is entirely dependent on plague doctor to get there.

Kozer · March 2019

I am a tank with all points into stam. I run a 5 piece Ebon. All body parts except shoulders, and 4 piece Hist bark. 1h, shield, rings. And 2 different monster pieces for the head and shoulders that I am blanking on.

I can tank non-dlc vet dungeons. I probably could do some dlc but I hate most of them. My HP sits at 34k with cp 100 food. And stam is 28k. Resistances are both like 26-28k

max_only · March 2019

My Bosmer dk went in without points in health. Ebon, lord warden, and Torugs. Then again, I’ve been tanking for 2 years before I tried it and knew the mechanics of the dungeons I took him to by heart.
My Imperial templar is currently doing that, tanking with no points in health. However, I haven’t tried it since Wrathstone update.

It’s possible. Mitigation/resistances and familiarity makes up for not having a giant health pool. They were all above 30k though.

lokulin · March 2019

Yes. You can easily hit 39-40k health by using glyph, sets and food buffs while still providing group utility, and having good resource pools. Golded Ebon + Torugs + Chudan all sturdy, magicka regen, infused , health glyphs, plus orzogas frothgar will get you close to 40k health, max resists and huge magicka regen to offset your small magicka pool.

edit: Forgot to add that I have tanked all vet DLC dungeons (except the new ones but they look no worse than wolf hunter) and some Craglorn trials.

Vexous · March 2019

/sigh....

Ok, so heres the deal, I have a tank, a couple damage dealers, and a healer. I know what to look for when I'm in a group on any role because I've seen all sides of the pictures.

My advice? Don't be a fake tank. I don't care what your health is, or what gear you're wearing. If you know your job you'll be ok in a lot of the content, never really very good, but ok sure. If sub par is all you want to be known for you'll do fine. But until you tune your character up to tanking you might not want to get in over your head with the vet stuff.

Also, before you "dive" right into tanking, you might want to google Woeler's Tanking Guide. Its a long read/watch but you owe your many pugs to come at least that much.

One last thing, this is a game, remember that. You probably don't want to be forced into a role, you want to dps, stick with it, don't do something you hate because you "have to".

MartiniDaniels · March 2019

It is doable, but plz invest in aoe cc and silver leash/chains plus horn plus crusher enchant on 2H infused bar (bow or staff, don't block with them). Taunt/block is just 1 basic function, but you need to horn, to apply crusher and to gather mobs together too, otherwise your team will suffer because of you.

efster · March 2019

Yes, it's possible. I once tanked like 3 rounds of vdsa without any attribute points at all. I would have kept going to the end just out of curiosity but I was helping with someone's first clear so I just put the attributes back in.

If you know the fights well, you can get by without much HP at all; you can get by in medium armour even. But some DLC dungeons have hard-hitting heavies from trash mobs that you have to dodge or you will die with under 38K health, even if you block.

FierceSam · March 2019

Yes.

However, you need to think clearly about what Tanking actually means/involves. There are many different effective builds for tanks, but they all share the ability to tank well. Don’t be that fake tank who just wants to get into dungeons faster only to perform poorly and let down your team. If all you want is for queues to pop faster you’ll be better off joining a guild and getting your own groups together. That said, a s***load of health doesn’t make anyone into a tank.

You HAVE to have taunts to manage rooms and bosses (no taunt no party)

You HAVE to be able to survive in the face of some massive in-your-face one shots (you’re no good if you’re dead)

You SHOULD be able to chain and/or restrain mobs

Everything else is a bonus

Vexous, above, makes a lot of sense. I found Woeler’s tanking series super useful, especially when he’s talking about what tanking IS rather than what gear you need. Xynode has some useful tips for DK tanks.

If you can make an effective non-health tank build that works, please post it back here.

Have fun and good luck.

david_m_18b16_ESO · March 2019

FierceSam wrote: »

Yes.

However, you need to think clearly about what Tanking actually means/involves. There are many different effective builds for tanks, but they all share the ability to tank well. Don’t be that fake tank who just wants to get into dungeons faster only to perform poorly and let down your team.

I should have mentionned that I'm asking it because I'm thinking about spending skyshards in tanking skills. I just don,t want to spend them if my plan would have been impossible. I mained tank inv arious MMo for the past 5 years I know its not only a mather of gear and stats but their is always a stats floor to reach no mather how good of a player you are.

Druid40 · March 2019

I have done that with my Orc nightblade. I run Ebon + Trainee with 1H+SH/2H in dungeons because I don't feel like moving other tanking gear into that character's inventory. You could go Plague Doctor + something else. The point is, yes you can. I also have two main tanks, so I know how to tank well enough on a partial convert. It will come down to your ability, skill bars, and awareness more than anything else.

Edit: You need a few heavy armor passives, 1-2 1H+Sh skills and 2 or 3 of those passives, 1-3 Undaunted abilities (really just 1). If you are not a Dragonknight, 1 skill from Fighter's guild. If you do not have many skill points, resetting them should be rather cheap. That is probably somewhere between 7-20 skillpoints.

josiahva · March 2019

I have no points at all in health...all in stam and run 46k health through enchants...no problems at all with HM vet DLC dungeons, etc.

Ufretin · March 2019

MagNB with all points in magicka here. In my tank gear I have close to 30k health and can tank non-doc Vet dungeons with ease. DLC dungs are another matter, especially after NB tanks were nerfed to death...