Bow Bow Best DPS in game?

WoppaBoem · February 2019

Lol I am very sure ZOS invented the bow bow builds as they made it possible. The remaining for us is to figure out which combination hidden in all the also by ZOS created details we can make the most of it

Ps, xynode did made it popular again with his bow bow build released with summerset. I also heared Alcast making a comment on it back then and published his own version of the bow bow warden.

hedna123b14_ESO · February 2019

starkerealm wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Hey, is there a specific place you have to contact to get such a massive supply of salt from? i mean do you have direct shipping from the dead sea, or is there another independent distributor? What about import taxes? Please send all the details!

Personally, I just stick my head in the PvP forums once in awhile, and siphon off the top, then wait for the winds to blow, and the wounds to fester. Then I do my best to preserve this weirdness for future generations.

In fairness to you, if you were going for sarcasm, that's basically impossible to parse out. We're in Poe's Law territory here.

The fact that this is a solo parse is obviously a joke, because it isnt...The fact that this build *** on Xynodes is not a joke, because it does:)

Dude, if your build has a problem controlling it's bowels... that's not something any of us are eager to help you with.

I liked this one:)

DjMuscleboy02 · February 2019

I used a bow as my primary weapon in 2014. My lawyers will be in touch.

hedna123b14_ESO · February 2019

starkerealm wrote: »

xynode wrote: »

...you have 12.8k health due to your spammy recovery food. Which means again without those bubbles you were also receiving, you cannot sustain it or survive a passing breeze.

It's cool:

Not sure if you're trolling, but I'll assume you arent. My health is low because I'm using Lava Soup, a stamina/stam regen food needed to simulate endgame sustain in trials, since you get several sources of regen such as Hircines and Sentinel for example.

starkerealm · February 2019

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

xynode wrote: »

...you have 12.8k health due to your spammy recovery food. Which means again without those bubbles you were also receiving, you cannot sustain it or survive a passing breeze.

It's cool:

Not sure if you're trolling, but I'll assume you arent. My health is low because I'm using Lava Soup, a stamina/stam regen food needed to simulate endgame sustain in trials, since you get several sources of regen such as Hircines and Sentinel for example.

Legitimately, health doesn't matter when you're parsing, and if you're specifically chasing higher parse numbers, there's no reason to maintain any survivability on your build. There's nothing inherently wrong with this, so long as you remember that's the content you're building for.

The other thing had to do with the spider spam.

hedna123b14_ESO · February 2019

starkerealm wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

xynode wrote: »

...you have 12.8k health due to your spammy recovery food. Which means again without those bubbles you were also receiving, you cannot sustain it or survive a passing breeze.

It's cool:

Not sure if you're trolling, but I'll assume you arent. My health is low because I'm using Lava Soup, a stamina/stam regen food needed to simulate endgame sustain in trials, since you get several sources of regen such as Hircines and Sentinel for example.

Legitimately, health doesn't matter when you're parsing, and if you're specifically chasing higher parse numbers, there's no reason to maintain any survivability on your build. There's nothing inherently wrong with this, so long as you remember that's the content you're building for.

The other thing had to do with the spider spam.

We are raiding next week, so i should have some raid parses from this...hoping this is as sick as it seems.

Brrrofski · February 2019

Yeh, using one of the top stam DPS sets and claiming the build is a bit much.

starkerealm · February 2019

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

xynode wrote: »

...you have 12.8k health due to your spammy recovery food. Which means again without those bubbles you were also receiving, you cannot sustain it or survive a passing breeze.

It's cool:

Not sure if you're trolling, but I'll assume you arent. My health is low because I'm using Lava Soup, a stamina/stam regen food needed to simulate endgame sustain in trials, since you get several sources of regen such as Hircines and Sentinel for example.

Legitimately, health doesn't matter when you're parsing, and if you're specifically chasing higher parse numbers, there's no reason to maintain any survivability on your build. There's nothing inherently wrong with this, so long as you remember that's the content you're building for.

The other thing had to do with the spider spam.

We are raiding next week, so i should have some raid parses from this...hoping this is as sick as it seems.

Be sure to let us know how that works out.

mikemacon · February 2019

::re-reads Xynode’s post to see where he claimed he invented bow-bow builds::

...ahhhhhhhhh, hmmm.

Not there.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

BNOC · February 2019

Can confirm Seb Williams created this build in 2014 on console, nobody else.

Vyvrhel · February 2019

What is the gear you use? Relequen is visible in the parse but the rest? Do you use some bow specific set?

hedna123b14_ESO · February 2019

Vyvrhel wrote: »

What is the gear you use? Relequen is visible in the parse but the rest? Do you use some bow specific set?

5 reliquen 5 Tzogvin 1 Balorgh 1 Veli. But threats not the important part....anyone can come up with it. The important part is you need Trapping Webs synergy AND you need 3 infused on jewelry. Also I'm not convinced this is even the best it could do. I need to mess with weapon traits and CP. Rotation is super east and I think this is best suited for a warden, because a nightblade has to keep Minor Berserk up with Relentless Focus and that's a dps loss, because of how hard Lethal Arrow Hits especially if someone uses morag tong

Propagate · February 2019

The only set the same is vMA bow and rele which literally every Stam build has. slightly different bars, different jewellery enchants and most likely different CP. Can someone explain how is he copying? Xynode just seems salty because he certainly didn't invent bow bow builds.

Draxys · February 2019

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vyvrhel wrote: »

What is the gear you use? Relequen is visible in the parse but the rest? Do you use some bow specific set?

5 reliquen 5 Tzogvin 1 Balorgh 1 Veli. But threats not the important part....anyone can come up with it. The important part is you need Trapping Webs synergy AND you need 3 infused on jewelry. Also I'm not convinced this is even the best it could do. I need to mess with weapon traits and CP. Rotation is super east and I think this is best suited for a warden, because a nightblade has to keep Minor Berserk up with Relentless Focus and that's a dps loss, because of how hard Lethal Arrow Hits especially if someone uses morag tong

What about dropping monster pieces in favor of master bow/injection front bar?

hedna123b14_ESO · February 2019

Draxys wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vyvrhel wrote: »

What is the gear you use? Relequen is visible in the parse but the rest? Do you use some bow specific set?

5 reliquen 5 Tzogvin 1 Balorgh 1 Veli. But threats not the important part....anyone can come up with it. The important part is you need Trapping Webs synergy AND you need 3 infused on jewelry. Also I'm not convinced this is even the best it could do. I need to mess with weapon traits and CP. Rotation is super east and I think this is best suited for a warden, because a nightblade has to keep Minor Berserk up with Relentless Focus and that's a dps loss, because of how hard Lethal Arrow Hits especially if someone uses morag tong

What about dropping monster pieces in favor of master bow/injection front bar?

So here is the thing with that. i tried it and it was a lot worse, which confounded me, since master bow is a hefty 301 wpn damage. But after thinking on it it makes sense:
1. My rotation is around 13 sec, so the uptime on Master bow is 77% or 231 wpn damage. 2 monster pieces give me 258 wpn damage.
2. Slotting Injection front bar means losing a 3% passive damage from dive, which is definitely felt.
3. Ultimately Master only affects one target, while the 2 monster sets affect all damage.

Here is the most interesting part, we tried vBRP bow...and because the secondary affect is considered a proc it DOES NOT CRIT...this makes it utter crap as a PVE weapon...

starkerealm · February 2019

Honestly, outside of a tiny handful, like the Maelstrom Bow and Destro Staff, the vast majority of the ability altering weapons are either very niche, or not that good. Which is really unfortunate, because a lot of these weapons could do really cool things, and they don't.

hedna123b14_ESO · February 2019

starkerealm wrote: »

Honestly, outside of a tiny handful, like the Maelstrom Bow and Destro Staff, the vast majority of the ability altering weapons are either very niche, or not that good. Which is really unfortunate, because a lot of these weapons could do really cool things, and they don't.

Yup...if blackrose bow could crit it would actually be worth it to use...

idk · February 2019

Good job

MashmalloMan · February 2019

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Honestly, outside of a tiny handful, like the Maelstrom Bow and Destro Staff, the vast majority of the ability altering weapons are either very niche, or not that good. Which is really unfortunate, because a lot of these weapons could do really cool things, and they don't.

Yup...if blackrose bow could crit it would actually be worth it to use...

Oh but it does Crit, not in a traditional sense, but in the sense that if your initial hit Crits, the dot applied Crits everytime or the opposite, if it doesn't Crit the dot doesn't Crit for the entire duration. With 100% Crit DMG and the direct DMG hitting for 10k, the dot is 5k per tick every 2sec, with a Crit the initial hit would be 20k, with the dot hitting 10k per tick.

Long shot and hawk eye passives buff scatter shot, therefore the dot based on scattershot as well.

I find it hard to believe you couldn't cheese some juicy parses out of that bow. It also gives 1 piece Crit, allows you to double bar warband (lower investment in to piercing cp with 100% uptime on the 4pc pen). The duration of the dot is 12sec at max range, perfect for rotation.

starkerealm · March 2019

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Honestly, outside of a tiny handful, like the Maelstrom Bow and Destro Staff, the vast majority of the ability altering weapons are either very niche, or not that good. Which is really unfortunate, because a lot of these weapons could do really cool things, and they don't.

Yup...if blackrose bow could crit it would actually be worth it to use...

I'm not even talking about stuff like that. I mean, there's a real potential for ability altering weapons to do really wild things. Way too many just, "some extra damage on this ability," or, "a minor secondary effect on this ability." I really do kinda wish they had some that really mixed things up. Like if Master's Sword and Board increased damage dealt based on the number of heavy armor pieces slotted, and stripped the taunt off of Pierce/Ransack. Or if the Asylum Bow had a narrower spread, but applied a root effect to enemies hit by it. Instead, we've got one that does some extra damage and heals you, and another one which increases the direct damage tick off a couple other abilities.

I wouldn't call it a missed opportunity, but they're kinda underwhelming.

MashmalloMan · March 2019

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Draxys wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vyvrhel wrote: »

What is the gear you use? Relequen is visible in the parse but the rest? Do you use some bow specific set?

5 reliquen 5 Tzogvin 1 Balorgh 1 Veli. But threats not the important part....anyone can come up with it. The important part is you need Trapping Webs synergy AND you need 3 infused on jewelry. Also I'm not convinced this is even the best it could do. I need to mess with weapon traits and CP. Rotation is super east and I think this is best suited for a warden, because a nightblade has to keep Minor Berserk up with Relentless Focus and that's a dps loss, because of how hard Lethal Arrow Hits especially if someone uses morag tong

What about dropping monster pieces in favor of master bow/injection front bar?

So here is the thing with that. i tried it and it was a lot worse, which confounded me, since master bow is a hefty 301 wpn damage. But after thinking on it it makes sense:
1. My rotation is around 13 sec, so the uptime on Master bow is 77% or 231 wpn damage. 2 monster pieces give me 258 wpn damage.
2. Slotting Injection front bar means losing a 3% passive damage from dive, which is definitely felt.
3. Ultimately Master only affects one target, while the 2 monster sets affect all damage.

Here is the most interesting part, we tried vBRP bow...and because the secondary affect is considered a proc it DOES NOT CRIT...this makes it utter crap as a PVE weapon...

The other problem with using VMA + Master: People move injection front bar, with proper rotation endless hail->caltrops->weapon swap will not activate the VMA bow set effect. You would need to use VMA bow front bar instead with endless hail at the beginning of the front bar rotation for it to work properly.

Really though, 9/12-13 sec uptime sucks on 1 target for 300 DMG when you can have 100% uptime on 258 weapon DMG like you said.

hedna123b14_ESO · March 2019

Marshall1289 wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Honestly, outside of a tiny handful, like the Maelstrom Bow and Destro Staff, the vast majority of the ability altering weapons are either very niche, or not that good. Which is really unfortunate, because a lot of these weapons could do really cool things, and they don't.

Yup...if blackrose bow could crit it would actually be worth it to use...

Oh but it does Crit, not in a traditional sense, but in the sense that if your initial hit Crits, the dot applied Crits everytime or the opposite, if it doesn't Crit the dot doesn't Crit for the entire duration. With 100% Crit DMG and the direct DMG hitting for 10k, the dot is 5k per tick every 2sec, with a Crit the initial hit would be 20k, with the dot hitting 10k per tick.

Long shot and hawk eye passives buff scatter shot, therefore the dot based on scattershot as well.

I find it hard to believe you couldn't cheese some juicy parses out of that bow. It also gives 1 piece Crit, allows you to double bar warband (lower investment in to piercing cp with 100% uptime on the 4pc pen). The duration of the dot is 12sec at max range, perfect for rotation.

I get what you mean, but the damage is just so bad...

JobooAGS · March 2019

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Marshall1289 wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Honestly, outside of a tiny handful, like the Maelstrom Bow and Destro Staff, the vast majority of the ability altering weapons are either very niche, or not that good. Which is really unfortunate, because a lot of these weapons could do really cool things, and they don't.

Yup...if blackrose bow could crit it would actually be worth it to use...

Oh but it does Crit, not in a traditional sense, but in the sense that if your initial hit Crits, the dot applied Crits everytime or the opposite, if it doesn't Crit the dot doesn't Crit for the entire duration. With 100% Crit DMG and the direct DMG hitting for 10k, the dot is 5k per tick every 2sec, with a Crit the initial hit would be 20k, with the dot hitting 10k per tick.

Long shot and hawk eye passives buff scatter shot, therefore the dot based on scattershot as well.

I find it hard to believe you couldn't cheese some juicy parses out of that bow. It also gives 1 piece Crit, allows you to double bar warband (lower investment in to piercing cp with 100% uptime on the 4pc pen). The duration of the dot is 12sec at max range, perfect for rotation.

I get what you mean, but the damage is just so bad...

Can we see some parses of that, if possible?

Toc de Malsvi · March 2019

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

Trapping webs has always been good, but I dont like that it'll be used on tanks again...

I dont necessarily think it will be used in tanks, I think dps will use em.

If you ran multiple ranged stam you could alternate for Synergies.

Toc de Malsvi · March 2019

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Marshall1289 wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Honestly, outside of a tiny handful, like the Maelstrom Bow and Destro Staff, the vast majority of the ability altering weapons are either very niche, or not that good. Which is really unfortunate, because a lot of these weapons could do really cool things, and they don't.

Yup...if blackrose bow could crit it would actually be worth it to use...

Oh but it does Crit, not in a traditional sense, but in the sense that if your initial hit Crits, the dot applied Crits everytime or the opposite, if it doesn't Crit the dot doesn't Crit for the entire duration. With 100% Crit DMG and the direct DMG hitting for 10k, the dot is 5k per tick every 2sec, with a Crit the initial hit would be 20k, with the dot hitting 10k per tick.

Long shot and hawk eye passives buff scatter shot, therefore the dot based on scattershot as well.

I find it hard to believe you couldn't cheese some juicy parses out of that bow. It also gives 1 piece Crit, allows you to double bar warband (lower investment in to piercing cp with 100% uptime on the 4pc pen). The duration of the dot is 12sec at max range, perfect for rotation.

I get what you mean, but the damage is just so bad...

I cheesed it for a parse with TFS and Lover on a sorc, no Major Fracture though, and of course no Minor Berserk or Trapping Webs.

Problem is Warband is really a great one bar set, you get virtually the same value one bar as double barred. I don't see it being worth double bar. If going max range with Warband might as well run Stormfist and front bar Warband.

hedna123b14_ESO · March 2019

JobooAGS wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Marshall1289 wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Honestly, outside of a tiny handful, like the Maelstrom Bow and Destro Staff, the vast majority of the ability altering weapons are either very niche, or not that good. Which is really unfortunate, because a lot of these weapons could do really cool things, and they don't.

Yup...if blackrose bow could crit it would actually be worth it to use...

Oh but it does Crit, not in a traditional sense, but in the sense that if your initial hit Crits, the dot applied Crits everytime or the opposite, if it doesn't Crit the dot doesn't Crit for the entire duration. With 100% Crit DMG and the direct DMG hitting for 10k, the dot is 5k per tick every 2sec, with a Crit the initial hit would be 20k, with the dot hitting 10k per tick.

Long shot and hawk eye passives buff scatter shot, therefore the dot based on scattershot as well.

I find it hard to believe you couldn't cheese some juicy parses out of that bow. It also gives 1 piece Crit, allows you to double bar warband (lower investment in to piercing cp with 100% uptime on the 4pc pen). The duration of the dot is 12sec at max range, perfect for rotation.

I get what you mean, but the damage is just so bad...

Can we see some parses of that, if possible?

I didnt save them the DoT at max range ended up maxing out at 2.3k or around 5% of my dps

hedna123b14_ESO · March 2019

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

Trapping webs has always been good, but I dont like that it'll be used on tanks again...

I dont necessarily think it will be used in tanks, I think dps will use em.

If you ran multiple ranged stam you could alternate for Synergies.

That is the plan

hedna123b14_ESO · March 2019

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Marshall1289 wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Honestly, outside of a tiny handful, like the Maelstrom Bow and Destro Staff, the vast majority of the ability altering weapons are either very niche, or not that good. Which is really unfortunate, because a lot of these weapons could do really cool things, and they don't.

Yup...if blackrose bow could crit it would actually be worth it to use...

Oh but it does Crit, not in a traditional sense, but in the sense that if your initial hit Crits, the dot applied Crits everytime or the opposite, if it doesn't Crit the dot doesn't Crit for the entire duration. With 100% Crit DMG and the direct DMG hitting for 10k, the dot is 5k per tick every 2sec, with a Crit the initial hit would be 20k, with the dot hitting 10k per tick.

Long shot and hawk eye passives buff scatter shot, therefore the dot based on scattershot as well.

I find it hard to believe you couldn't cheese some juicy parses out of that bow. It also gives 1 piece Crit, allows you to double bar warband (lower investment in to piercing cp with 100% uptime on the 4pc pen). The duration of the dot is 12sec at max range, perfect for rotation.

I get what you mean, but the damage is just so bad...

I cheesed it for a parse with TFS and Lover on a sorc, no Major Fracture though, and of course no Minor Berserk or Trapping Webs.

Problem is Warband is really a great one bar set, you get virtually the same value one bar as double barred. I don't see it being worth double bar. If going max range with Warband might as well run Stormfist and front bar Warband.

You would never double bar any set...vMA too Stronk:)

Ragnarock41 · March 2019

Masel wrote: »

Trapping webs has always been good, but I dont like that it'll be used on tanks again...

Man I had such high hopes for trapping webs. Seeing it become another tank synergy kinda hurts my brain cells though.( I guess thats what you get when you change wir for poison cost reduction)

Hotdog_23 · March 2019

Interesting, thanks for sharing.