Bow Bow Best DPS in game?

hedna123b14_ESO

So apparently Bow/Bow is the highest DPS (PVE) in the game....LOL!
Original idea goes to Seb Williams of Hodor who did it on a Stamblade:)

Here is the Warden Rendition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmVWzR4wmpQ&feature=youtu.be

Joxer61

https://www.xynodegaming.com/yogi

hedna123b14_ESO

Joxer61 wrote: »

https://www.xynodegaming.com/yogi

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Vyvrhel

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Original idea goes to Seb Williams of Hodor who did it on a Stamblade:)

Awesome. Want to try it. What is the stamblade build?

hedna123b14_ESO

Vyvrhel wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Original idea goes to Seb Williams of Hodor who did it on a Stamblade:)

Awesome. Want to try it. What is the stamblade build?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCcszCMw4yQ

sevomd69

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vyvrhel wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Original idea goes to Seb Williams of Hodor who did it on a Stamblade:)

Awesome. Want to try it. What is the stamblade build?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCcszCMw4yQ

Not self-buffed though...tank is poking and spider synergy....

zvavi

Poking, sending orbs, etc etc

vesselwiththepestle

Well, it's more about the trapping webs synergy, isn't it?

So what do you suggest, that stamina melees replace caltrops for trapping webs?

Masel

Trapping webs has always been good, but I dont like that it'll be used on tanks again...

Narvuntien

Neat, I was going to build a Bow Bosmer Stamwarden at one point but then I swapped just being a dual/wield bow as per the meta. Although... I guess I can still run both.

Wouldn't Heavy crafted chest be optimal? and crafting jewerelly is super expensive atm (although at least you don't need to do Vet Cloudrest).

How much worse is Gryphon compared to MA?

Edit: It doesn't have to be the best it just has to be viable without feeling like you are holding back your team.

starkerealm

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Joxer61 wrote: »

https://www.xynodegaming.com/yogi

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It's literally a Xynode build with one set changed. So, yeah, "credit" to someone for using one of Xy's builds with the most obvious substitution. Quick, maybe next make your own "easy sorc build" using IA and Elegant. :P

ccfeeling

Love it

MaxJrFTW

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vyvrhel wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Original idea goes to Seb Williams of Hodor who did it on a Stamblade:)

Awesome. Want to try it. What is the stamblade build?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCcszCMw4yQ

i hate when people claim it's a solo parse/self buffed when it clearly isn't...

starkerealm

Narvuntien wrote: »

Neat, I was going to build a Bow Bosmer Stamwarden at one point but then I swapped just being a dual/wield bow as per the meta. Although... I guess I can still run both.

Wouldn't Heavy crafted chest be optimal? and crafting jewerelly is super expensive atm (although at least you don't need to do Vet Cloudrest).

How much worse is Gryphon compared to MA?

Personal preference for a Stamden is 2h + Bow. Maybe I'm just an Aragorn fanboy though, who knows?

For all the chatter about, "oh, hey, you must be this tall to ride this ride," 2h DPS is very respectable, and it's a solid weapon pick, with a lot of nice options baked in.

xynode

That warden build first of all is pretty much a RIP of the Yogi build on my channel and instead of using the original "gryphon" set is simply using the new set (Tzgorvin) for the same bonus (minor force) + a little extra crit. So hardly genius or ORIGINAL.

Secondly if you look at the combat metrics there are synergy damage effects in the form of black widows, bites and poisoned damage over time from them.

2.1% (Black widows) + 3.6% (bite) +6.9% (black widow poison) +6.3% (bite) of the damage procs towards your overall dps.. not to mention their procs allowed 52% uptime on Black widow poison! which would not happen solo.

Adding a taunt to simulate you have a tank for major fracture is fine since some classes have it in their spamable arsenal anyway so evens it out a BIT (not including minor berserk, which granted cannot be helped unless everyone gets combat prayer) but the rest is rigged.
12.8k health and talking about Raids? Next you will be telling me that Morag tong in your bag (yes i can see it) is not already on the tank. Granted it probably isn't but lets not talk bull to people here

18.9% of the overall dps is from the trapping webs synergy. I am glad you understand the skill's design but that does NOT count as a solo demonstration when almost 20% of your overall damage is not actually your setup alone.

65.9k dps with 18.9% removed (lets take away that synergy shall we? ) is actually 53.4449 which btw is ALSO not 100% accurate because you have 12.8k health due to your spammy recovery food. Which means again without those bubbles you were also receiving, you cannot sustain it or survive a passing breeze.

Nice rotation but this is nothing more than a skeleton competition whilst trying to name drop Hodor to get attention.

Ultimately there are no RULES for what does equate to a demonstration of "potential" exactly but if that IS the case then label it as such, rather than polishing a turd and calling it a gold nugget. Click bait will NOT make your channel grow, people figure this stuff out QUICKLY!

mikemacon

Xynode: laying down the law and building builds since FOREVER.

hedna123b14_ESO

Masel wrote: »

Trapping webs has always been good, but I dont like that it'll be used on tanks again...

I dont necessarily think it will be used in tanks, I think dps will use em.

Bladerunner1

Bowblade has a lot of space on their bar, may as well slot it though I'm the only ranged stamina I've ever seen in a dungeon.

hedna123b14_ESO

xynode wrote: »

That warden build first of all is pretty much a RIP of the Yogi build on my channel and instead of using the original "gryphon" set is simply using the new set (Tzgorvin) for the same bonus (minor force) + a little extra crit. So hardly genius or ORIGINAL.

Secondly if you look at the combat metrics there are synergy damage effects in the form of black widows, bites and poisoned damage over time from them.

2.1% (Black widows) + 3.6% (bite) +6.9% (black widow poison) +6.3% (bite) of the damage procs towards your overall dps.. not to mention their procs allowed 52% uptime on Black widow poison! which would not happen solo.

Adding a taunt to simulate you have a tank for major fracture is fine since some classes have it in their spamable arsenal anyway so evens it out a BIT (not including minor berserk, which granted cannot be helped unless everyone gets combat prayer) but the rest is rigged.
12.8k health and talking about Raids? Next you will be telling me that Morag tong in your bag (yes i can see it) is not already on the tank. Granted it probably isn't but lets not talk bull to people here

18.9% of the overall dps is from the trapping webs synergy. I am glad you understand the skill's design but that does NOT count as a solo demonstration when almost 20% of your overall damage is not actually your setup alone.

65.9k dps with 18.9% removed (lets take away that synergy shall we? ) is actually 53.4449 which btw is ALSO not 100% accurate because you have 12.8k health due to your spammy recovery food. Which means again without those bubbles you were also receiving, you cannot sustain it or survive a passing breeze.

Nice rotation but this is nothing more than a skeleton competition whilst trying to name drop Hodor to get attention.

Ultimately there are no RULES for what does equate to a demonstration of "potential" exactly but if that IS the case then label it as such, rather than polishing a turd and calling it a gold nugget. Click bait will NOT make your channel grow, people figure this stuff out QUICKLY!

Lol...the title is a bait title obviously, I will add the word sarcasm next time, since apparently that has to be stated. As far as that being *your* build, that's a joke. The point of this build is to create the high damage that you can keep in Raids. The build only works with a specific combination of traits, skills and situations. If I copy your suggested build and take it into trials using the same trapping webs synergy, I would parse 10k below what this build parses.

In any case since you need it spelled out for you, the word "Solo-ish" indicates sarcasm...lol

hedna123b14_ESO

Bladerunner1 wrote: »

Bowblade has a lot of space on their bar, may as well slot it though I'm the only ranged stamina I've ever seen in a dungeon.

Yeah what we were thinking of is casting it on ththe back bar with the frequency depending on how many people need the synergy. There is an issue with how the synergy works atm, so once we find a way to deal with it, I think it will be amazing.

Draxys

I mean, if you guys think someone “stole” a build (which doesn’t matter in the first place) because they came up with using 2 different monster sets, and 2 obvious dps sets that work from range, that’s a bit laughable.

NupidStoob

xynode wrote: »

That warden build first of all is pretty much a RIP of the Yogi build on my channel and instead of using the original "gryphon" set is simply using the new set (Tzgorvin) for the same bonus (minor force) + a little extra crit. So hardly genius or ORIGINAL.

Secondly if you look at the combat metrics there are synergy damage effects in the form of black widows, bites and poisoned damage over time from them.

2.1% (Black widows) + 3.6% (bite) +6.9% (black widow poison) +6.3% (bite) of the damage procs towards your overall dps.. not to mention their procs allowed 52% uptime on Black widow poison! which would not happen solo.

Adding a taunt to simulate you have a tank for major fracture is fine since some classes have it in their spamable arsenal anyway so evens it out a BIT (not including minor berserk, which granted cannot be helped unless everyone gets combat prayer) but the rest is rigged.
12.8k health and talking about Raids? Next you will be telling me that Morag tong in your bag (yes i can see it) is not already on the tank. Granted it probably isn't but lets not talk bull to people here

18.9% of the overall dps is from the trapping webs synergy. I am glad you understand the skill's design but that does NOT count as a solo demonstration when almost 20% of your overall damage is not actually your setup alone.

65.9k dps with 18.9% removed (lets take away that synergy shall we? ) is actually 53.4449 which btw is ALSO not 100% accurate because you have 12.8k health due to your spammy recovery food. Which means again without those bubbles you were also receiving, you cannot sustain it or survive a passing breeze.

Nice rotation but this is nothing more than a skeleton competition whilst trying to name drop Hodor to get attention.

Ultimately there are no RULES for what does equate to a demonstration of "potential" exactly but if that IS the case then label it as such, rather than polishing a turd and calling it a gold nugget. Click bait will NOT make your channel grow, people figure this stuff out QUICKLY!

Firstly the notion that a PvE DPS build in this game is a ripoff is pretty much laughable as only hard numbers count. Not like your build was the first either. Any theorycrafter would come up with relequen, veli and vMA bow for a ST bow bow build.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/381498/everything-needed-to-know-about-bow-bow-in-pve/p1

I was considering a build like that too when I saw the set and so have many other people. It's not like this is rocket science.

Secondly you are criticizing the video creator in a forum thread he hasn't even made, maybe not even seen. The title of the video is also "soloish" and not "solo" so idk where you see clickbait.

Edit: Actually might be his video.


You can rant about these builds all you want, but at the end of the day they might very well be a new stamina meta until ZoS nerfs trapping web.

royo

Why is this xynode guy so salty? I notice the OP has bow/bow builds on his youtube from early 2017.

Masel

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

Trapping webs has always been good, but I dont like that it'll be used on tanks again...

I dont necessarily think it will be used in tanks, I think dps will use em.

Well on EU they're already using them on tanks

starkerealm

Wait, I think I can translate this:

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Lol...the title is a bait title obviously, I will add the word sarcasm next time, since apparently that has to be stated.

Title: "Look how awesome this is!"

"I was only joking. I knew it was garbage all along."

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

As far as that being *your* build, that's a joke.

"No, bro, you don't understand, when I made myself out to be a joke, I'm not the joke, you're the joke here!"

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

The point of this build is to create the high damage that you can keep in Raids.

"I made this for completely different reasons from you that only happen to precisely duplicate your reasons, but that's a coincidence, because it's all a joke, don't you see?"

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

The build only works with a specific combination of traits, skills and situations.

"But, I didn't copy you because I wanted to. I made the same build choices you did because I had no choice! Don't you understand? It's not copying if it's a coincidence!"

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

If I copy your suggested build and take it into trials using the same trapping webs synergy, I would parse 10k below what this build parses.

"But, what we all know is, the real metric for clearing trials is how well you can test it on a dummy!"

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

In any case since you need it spelled out for you, the word "Solo-ish" indicates sarcasm...lol

"Because, it was all a joke, so when I pretended it was good earlier, you just didn't understand! It's all a joke. Stop being mean to me!"

hedna123b14_ESO

starkerealm wrote: »

Wait, I think I can translate this:

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Lol...the title is a bait title obviously, I will add the word sarcasm next time, since apparently that has to be stated.

Title: "Look how awesome this is!"

"I was only joking. I knew it was garbage all along."

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

As far as that being *your* build, that's a joke.

"No, bro, you don't understand, when I made myself out to be a joke, I'm not the joke, you're the joke here!"

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

The point of this build is to create the high damage that you can keep in Raids.

"I made this for completely different reasons from you that only happen to precisely duplicate your reasons, but that's a coincidence, because it's all a joke, don't you see?"

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

The build only works with a specific combination of traits, skills and situations.

"But, I didn't copy you because I wanted to. I made the same build choices you did because I had no choice! Don't you understand? It's not copying if it's a coincidence!"

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

If I copy your suggested build and take it into trials using the same trapping webs synergy, I would parse 10k below what this build parses.

"But, what we all know is, the real metric for clearing trials is how well you can test it on a dummy!"

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

In any case since you need it spelled out for you, the word "Solo-ish" indicates sarcasm...lol

"Because, it was all a joke, so when I pretended it was good earlier, you just didn't understand! It's all a joke. Stop being mean to me!"

Hey, is there a specific place you have to contact to get such a massive supply of salt from? i mean do you have direct shipping from the dead sea, or is there another independent distributor? What about import taxes? Please send all the details!

Princess_Ciri

Wow I can't believe Seb from HODOR invented Bow Bow builds on console 3 years ago and now this Xynode guy i've never heard of is claiming HE invented them. What a joke.

starkerealm

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Hey, is there a specific place you have to contact to get such a massive supply of salt from? i mean do you have direct shipping from the dead sea, or is there another independent distributor? What about import taxes? Please send all the details!

Personally, I just stick my head in the PvP forums once in awhile, and siphon off the top, then wait for the winds to blow, and the wounds to fester. Then I do my best to preserve this weirdness for future generations.

In fairness to you, if you were going for sarcasm, that's basically impossible to parse out. We're in Poe's Law territory here.

hedna123b14_ESO

starkerealm wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Hey, is there a specific place you have to contact to get such a massive supply of salt from? i mean do you have direct shipping from the dead sea, or is there another independent distributor? What about import taxes? Please send all the details!

Personally, I just stick my head in the PvP forums once in awhile, and siphon off the top, then wait for the winds to blow, and the wounds to fester. Then I do my best to preserve this weirdness for future generations.

In fairness to you, if you were going for sarcasm, that's basically impossible to parse out. We're in Poe's Law territory here.

The fact that this is a solo parse is obviously a joke, because it isnt...The fact that this build *** on Xynodes is not a joke, because it does:)

starkerealm

xynode wrote: »

...you have 12.8k health due to your spammy recovery food. Which means again without those bubbles you were also receiving, you cannot sustain it or survive a passing breeze.

It's cool:

starkerealm

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Hey, is there a specific place you have to contact to get such a massive supply of salt from? i mean do you have direct shipping from the dead sea, or is there another independent distributor? What about import taxes? Please send all the details!

Personally, I just stick my head in the PvP forums once in awhile, and siphon off the top, then wait for the winds to blow, and the wounds to fester. Then I do my best to preserve this weirdness for future generations.

In fairness to you, if you were going for sarcasm, that's basically impossible to parse out. We're in Poe's Law territory here.

The fact that this is a solo parse is obviously a joke, because it isnt...The fact that this build *** on Xynodes is not a joke, because it does:)

Dude, if your build has a problem controlling it's bowels... that's not something any of us are eager to help you with.